In PVP NB & DK are using NPCs to scale keep walls

Deathztalker · June 2016

I just watched as group of 8 DC NB and DK used a NPCs to scale the walls of a keep lol Makes perfect sense why take down the outer walls when you can by pass them all together.

Sharakor · June 2016

scale a wall? what does that even mean

velocidad · June 2016

Jump from the floor to the upper walls of the Keeps

velocidad · June 2016

BTW last day a DK jump to me (i was on the wall) and don't even know how he puss me down and the fall kill me. How is that even possible?

IcyDeadPeople · June 2016

Haven't seen DKs using chains to do this, but during the past couple days, many nightblades are using ambush or lotus fan targeting players to get inside, even all the way up from ground to top of inner keep.

Deathztalker · June 2016

in the case of the NBs they used teleport strike from out side the outer wall to a NPC on top of the outer wall.

incognito222 · June 2016

I've seen this many times and submitted multiple tickets over the past week. This is an exploit, as it defeats the purpose of having walls altogether. A particular EP guild on NA Trueflame is fond of doing this where multiple players 'jump' to the top of Sejanus / Nikel from the front of the outpost and they try to take the keep from the inside without having to breach the walls. I notice that it is more common when defending players are present as it has something to do with gap closers.

Whispered some of them to ask and they said it was due to 'poor coding' of the game.

@ZOS_JessicaFolsom , might be a good idea to check on this, thank you.

ИВАН_ВОДКА · June 2016

working as intended (tm)

Palidon · June 2016

This issue has been reported to ZOS time and time again. Problem is they have failed to address the issue and I doubt they will do anything about it. I agree, it is an exploit. I have seen where players have entered a keep with a scroll inside, take the scroll and leave the keep without the faction holding the keep knowing any thing was going on until it was noticed the scroll was moving from the keep. (Keep was never flagged). No breaching had taken place at all. The action was done buy using gap closures to scale the outer and inner keep walls.

Wollust · June 2016

In an attempt to fix gap closers they changed something that allows us now to gapclose up the walls in almost any keep.
Kinda stupid, but I actually prefer the current situation over the unreliable gap closers from last patch.

Arthg · June 2016

I don't think DKs can do that, or can they?
I've seen many NBs from all factions doing it on EU servers.

It's an exploit that defeats the purpose of a key aspect of the game (sieging).

How could ZOS let that happen after a major patch - beats me.

Nifty2g · June 2016

arth-grogalith wrote: »

I don't think DKs can do that, or can they?
I've seen many NBs from all factions doing it on EU servers.

It's an exploit that defeats the purpose of a key aspect of the game (sieging).

How could ZOS let that happen after a major patch - beats me.

Wouldn't call it an exploit if it's affecting something the player can barely control. I'd blame buggy code performance for this. All gap closers are bugged at the moment you float through the air with them.

THEDKEXPERIENCE · June 2016

I'm a Templar, have encountered this many times and see nothing wrong with it. I don't even view it as an exploit. Fact is usually it just results in them getting waffled by 10 people who are defending a keep properly. If every now and then a DK or NB get to make a solo ninja super hero scroll run then have at it.

Arthg · June 2016

Nifty2g wrote: »

arth-grogalith wrote: »

I don't think DKs can do that, or can they?
I've seen many NBs from all factions doing it on EU servers.

It's an exploit that defeats the purpose of a key aspect of the game (sieging).

How could ZOS let that happen after a major patch - beats me.

Wouldn't call it an exploit if it's affecting something the player can barely control. I'd blame buggy code performance for this. All gap closers are bugged at the moment you float through the air with them.

OK, fair enough

Not an exploit, then, but something I'd say still goes against the spirit of the game (imvho).
I agree it's on ZOS.

daemonios · June 2016

@ZOS: pro tip - check for repeated use of bugged gap closers; temp ban on first offence; perma-ban on repeat offence.

Oh, what the hell am I saying. You never took cheating seriously until that third party hack was rubbed in your face, and even then you're still unable to put out an official message that's not buried in some forum thread.

daemonios · June 2016

Nifty2g wrote: »

arth-grogalith wrote: »

I don't think DKs can do that, or can they?
I've seen many NBs from all factions doing it on EU servers.

It's an exploit that defeats the purpose of a key aspect of the game (sieging).

How could ZOS let that happen after a major patch - beats me.

Wouldn't call it an exploit if it's affecting something the player can barely control. I'd blame buggy code performance for this. All gap closers are bugged at the moment you float through the air with them.

You would say that, wouldn't you, Mr. "used the mundus stone exploit to keep a level playing field"? It would be trivial for ZOS to check if players are repeatedly using bugged gap closers to get on top of walls. There's a difference between a one-time accidental use and players using it as a gameplay mechanic.

holosoul · June 2016

@daemonios
It would be completely outrageous and inappropriate for ZOS to ban someone for using an ability as it exists on the game.
They aren't doing special things to cause this, the ability itself is designed poorly.

There is no sequence of things you're doing to exploit, you just 'cast' the skill and it doesn't validate the z-axis

100% ZOS's fault

daemonios · June 2016

holosoul wrote: »

@daemonios
It would be completely outrageous and inappropriate for ZOS to ban someone for using an ability as it exists on the game.
They aren't doing special things to cause this, the ability itself is designed poorly.

There is no sequence of things you're doing to exploit, you just 'cast' the skill and it doesn't validate the z-axis

100% ZOS's fault

@holosoul
It would CERTAINLY NOT be completely outrageous and inappropriate to do this. It would simply be a matter of ZOS warning players that using skills to bypass keep walls is a bannable offence. If you leave your home door open, it's not OK for someone to come in and loot it. The fact that you can't see the difference between accidental use of a skill and the exploitation of said skill to bypass game mechanics says a lot. ZOS have stated multiple times that keep walls should not be bypassed without sieging.

DHale · June 2016

All I can say is so what. if you don't want them to do it kill them and if you want to do it you have to level a dk or nb. I love when ppl jump to me so fun keeps you on your toes.

holosoul · June 2016

@daemonios
You can't break into someone's house on accident.
an NB can ambush the wrong person and end up on top of the keep wall.

Thus, ZOS is to blame.

daemonios · June 2016

holosoul wrote: »

@daemonios
You can't break into someone's house on accident.
an NB can ambush the wrong person and end up on top of the keep wall.

Thus, ZOS is to blame.

That *could* happen once. But these are targeted, short-range skills. You need to select an appropriate target and use the skill on them. If this happens repeatedly, the player is consciously exploiting. I'm sorry but if you think like that, you're a cheat in my book. I realize this could be a matter of opinion, and I've made mine clear. I don't agree with you. Let's leave it at that.

AshTal · June 2016

I think this is working as designed - I believe the goal of PvP is to make it so the only class anyone can play and compete is the Night Blade. Once everyone plays Nightblades they can stop pretending to try and balance classes.

Hibbou · June 2016

I did it a few times as a NB, don t know if it s legit or not, but if not i ll stop doing it, I just figured, since DK did it all the time before DB why sould I bother...

And keep in mind that if you kill him up there, he can t be res until the wall is down

MickeyBN · June 2016

I'm going to be very unpopular when I say this but, I think working - intended or not.

Teleport Strike teleports you to your target, why should a wall prevent you from doing that? Nightblades are the assassins/infiltrators of the game.

daemonios · June 2016

MickeyBN wrote: »

I'm going to be very unpopular when I say this but, I think working - intended or not.

Teleport Strike teleports you to your target, why should a wall prevent you from doing that? Nightblades are the assassins/infiltrators of the game.

DKs were doing it with chains since the beginning of the game. ZOS changed chains to add a "z-axis check", i.e. check if the target was too far above or below you, to prevent it from being used to scale keep walls. Why should teleport strike or any other skill be different? Oh, incidentally, in "fixing" chains, ZOS actually bugged it out so that half the time in PvE they won't go off until you throw in a heavy attack, and often when trying to chain an enemy on flat terrain it still won't work and you'll get a message saying "target is too high or too low".

psychotic13 · June 2016

I've seen people do this and also have no problem with it, seeing a DK leap up onto the wall does look pretty awesome. And like said, most of the time they get killed by 10 people as soon as they're up on the wall.

Although I've never seen a NB do it with ambush, heck I've even tried myself but don't know how to do it

Alurria · June 2016

When seeing a keep sieged like watching a epic battle on tv...there are always people scaling the walls with ladders, ropes, towers on wheels. We have none of those correct. A lone NB should be able to sneak into a keep. If the keep isn't defended that's not the fault of the attackers. Why is using an ability wrong. Can anyone in this thread point to a link where there is an official statement saying it's an exploit and shouldn't be used? If not then it's all hearsay. If there is an official statement then they are exploiting a bug. Please provide a link to the official statement regarding these gap closers and their use as it pertains to keep siegeing.

Frawr · June 2016

Having people being able to use multiple methods of getting into a keep adds depth and variety. It makes the game more interesting because there are more ways to do things and it makes the game more exciting. Be aware of it and avoid standing there like a numpty firing your snipe spam and wondering why you died.

Having skills such as 'Leap 28 metres through the air' and then restricting them by saying 'but only if its on a level plane and only if there is ground beneath you the whole way' is face-palm stupid.

nerfing skills like chains, leap, the Z axis etc are all fine examples of the results of incompetent players crying because someone did something that they didnt expect. That they listen to those narrow-minded players is breathtaking.

arkansas_ESO · June 2016

I'd be cool if they'd just keep it how it is right now. Just make it to where you can't flip flags unless the walls have been recently taken down to prevent stealth capping. It's -incredibly- boring to just sit at a ballista, left click a wall every 3 seconds, and wait for the wall to go down so you can actually PVP (assuming you aren't one-shotted by a ganker in the meantime.) Or, if you're defending, sitting on top of a wall spamming Snipe/counter-siege until they down the wall.

Suhxtob-yu · June 2016

Testing forum permissions....

TequilaFire · June 2016

Just l2p and don't stand too close to low wall edges like at BRK or corners of upper keeps adjacent to outer wall towers.
Be aware going thru keep doors for NBs by running detection.