Why Go Thru Silver and Gold in Db?

STEVIL · May 2016

The question has been asked... since at level 50 you may be jumping all the way to Cp160 if your cp are high enough, why bother with Silver and gold quests?

here are my skill point tallies expected for DB after all my eight chars make cp160 "level"

235
150
152
220
233
222
181
144

A 91 skills difference between top and bottom.

The top three are vr16 old school all the way on just play and experience and did most of the quests and side quests etc.
The fourth is VR15 currently, similar methodology.

The bottom foru are VR11, vr6, vr5, vr 4 at varying levels of silver and gold. Most of them have still grabbed the skyshards from the silver and gold zones, however, mostly, not all.

I post this bc i was surprised at the span and marked difference.

Whether you choose to run back thru silver and gold after the jump to cp160 status is of course one with many elements. i myself will likely take a while to even consider it having done it so many times already, different ways etc. But the diff in skills is markedly more significant than i thought. Some characters and some playstyles wont necessarily see a difference between 144 and 235 since you can max sufficient skills after a respec even at 144 in many cases.

But others may.

Also, please note, i am NOT claiming my best skill totals are REALLY GOOD or anything of the sort. these are just what they are based on my histories of playstyles and content. I imagine there are those with more and those with less.

YMMV.

Totals derived using Skillpoints addon. Props to that..

Epona222 · May 2016

You don't need to do it at all. Do it if you want to. Personally, I like doing all the quests! But that's not everyone's cup of tea. You don't even need to do the main quest these days if you don't want to.

There are a fair number of skillpoints to be picked up doing particular quests for each zone, but if you feel you don't need the points, then don't do the quests unless you want to. Some builds, if you don't do crafting, you can max your necessary combat skills with fairly few skill points.

Curragraigue · May 2016

Same reason as pre DB. Skyshards, quest skill points, FG levelling with dolmens, skill point from public dungeons.

Taleof2Cities · May 2016

Curragraigue wrote: »

Same reason as pre DB. Skyshards, quest skill points, FG levelling with dolmens, skill point from public dungeons.

^This.^

A lot of players (including myself) skipped the gold & silver quests after the first character completed them. DB incenitivizes it even less now ...

ADarklore · May 2016

You don't "need" all those skill points unless you're crafting... otherwise high SPs are, well, pointless. Right now on my newest VR1 Templar, I haven't even finished the main alliance quest but have gone through Cyrodiil and collected Skyshards and most Skyshards from Alliance zone, and find myself with 18 extra SP's just sitting there unused. I've spec'd all the skills I'll use, including many that I may never use, and still have those extras. Right now I'm leveling another armor line as well as Resto staff 'just in case' I want to go 'healer' role but I've already been putting points into it and still have the extra. So yeah, haven't even stepped foot into Silver and Gold and I'm already full of excess SPs.

aldriq · May 2016

Also, as more DLCs become available, people can pick and mix skyshards from more locations.

AverageJo3Gam3r · May 2016

aldriq wrote: »

Also, as more DLCs become available, people can pick and mix skyshards from more locations.

This actually works the other way, because new skill lines get added too. There weren't enough sky shards in hews bane to unlock the thieves guild skills, for example. Those SPs have to come from somewhere.

SahrotRein · May 2016

I do quests because that's kinda what is Elder Scrolls franchise about.

STEVIL · May 2016

AverageJo3Gam3r wrote: »

aldriq wrote: »

Also, as more DLCs become available, people can pick and mix skyshards from more locations.

This actually works the other way, because new skill lines get added too. There weren't enough sky shards in hews bane to unlock the thieves guild skills, for example. Those SPs have to come from somewhere.

i agree... i found quite a few characters needed to run back to grab passed over skyshards, even old public dungeon soloing I hadn't bothered with. To be fair, there were a good number of skills in TG between the main skill line and the shards and it wasn't really off by far from the amount needed for the TG Guild skills alone HOWEVER it also really nudged you to advance Legerdemain skill as well for the pickpocket, sneak and fencing/laundering so it was a double whammy for skill drain.

That said, again as i said before, some builds/playsteles etc wont need all that many skills. my two lowest skill characs at the upcoming cp160 max have no crafting beyond a few keen eyes for alchemy and enchant. the highest three have master enchants in 1, 2 and 3 lines respectively as well as keen eyes in alchemy and enchants. very different demands for skills there.

Also, frankly, i tend to be somewhat offput by leaving the post-respec gaps in class skills where i take skill points off skills the character maxed early on and now doesn't use. So, at least for class skills, i frequently fill in the no longer used skills even on a respec where its pretty pointless. Not something i recommend for minmax-meta-numbers-maxing-efficiency but it helps me enjoy things more.

Like i said, i was just surprised at the scope of the differences and it has me rethinking my "likely never go back and complete those with the bottom four" decision a little.

odd part was, i found it only bc i was a little worried that the new resets and skill counts for Db and the new levelling system might not go as smoothly day one as hoped, so i got the addon to do a "safe count" before they Db drop on tuesday.

KICHZY · May 2016

I'm doing them because I like exploring the world doing quests, Although I don't think I'd repeat the process on alt characters.

Ch4mpTW · May 2016

I will probably run through it, to farm a couple of things that I know won't be crowded like in my starting area(s) or DLC zones. I also plan on picking up some skyshards in these areas with newly rolled characters, and doing the quests there for skill points. So there's actually a good number of reasons to tread through them.

ИВАН_ВОДКА · May 2016

one word

GRIND

guess why in DB all gold and silver become a whole grind spot

Xelrick · May 2016

Also to be first to show what happens in the Character Main Quest if you complete everything before that. There is one quest that hold NPCs from your Alliance Main Quest, which puts the question. What happens you do Silver and Gold before it.

aldriq · May 2016

AverageJo3Gam3r wrote: »

This actually works the other way, because new skill lines get added too. There weren't enough sky shards in hews bane to unlock the thieves guild skills, for example. Those SPs have to come from somewhere.

Fair enough, I didn't consider that, and even if not all DLCs come with new skill lines, a single skill line may require more than the 6-skyshard + main quest points given in a given DLC.

IcyDeadPeople · May 2016

If you will level crafting on your alts (whether for hirelings, crafting writs or node scaling), or if they will be stamina builds, I would want to end up with at least close to 300 skill points for every character.

vyrusb23 · May 2016

STEVIL wrote: »

The question has been asked... since at level 50 you may be jumping all the way to Cp160 if your cp are high enough, why bother with Silver and gold quests?

To have fun playing the game?

aldriq · May 2016

Can you see how many skill points you've accumulated so far outside of a re-spec shrine?

Leandor · May 2016

I never managed even one char with just 150 skill points. My first main has 320 now and none unallocated. All my other V16s are at least 250. So for me the answer is simple: shards and skill point quests.

Silver_Strider · May 2016

I do it for the skill points mostly.
After doing all the quests and stuff on my 1st character, it's a hassle to go thru them with my alts but I chug thru because there is always a need for more skill points and regardless of how much I get, I always feel the need to get a few more, just as a safety net in case ZOS ever decides to add an actual skill line with active abilities and not fluff passive abilities.

Curragraigue · May 2016

ADarklore wrote: »

You don't "need" all those skill points unless you're crafting... otherwise high SPs are, well, pointless. Right now on my newest VR1 Templar, I haven't even finished the main alliance quest but have gone through Cyrodiil and collected Skyshards and most Skyshards from Alliance zone, and find myself with 18 extra SP's just sitting there unused. I've spec'd all the skills I'll use, including many that I may never use, and still have those extras. Right now I'm leveling another armor line as well as Resto staff 'just in case' I want to go 'healer' role but I've already been putting points into it and still have the extra. So yeah, haven't even stepped foot into Silver and Gold and I'm already full of excess SPs.

@ADarklore I see you have a number of characters in your signature. As a fellow altoholic I would highly recommend that you level crafting on all characters. You can only farm end game mats in zones that level mats to your crafting level. Farming on your crafter for all of your characters is boring. Being able to pick up end game mats on any character doing dailies or whatever else you are doing for fun is so much easier and enjoyable.

LadyLethalla · May 2016

ethernut60 wrote: »

This actually brings up a couple of other issues:
New characters on accounts that have reached CP160 will be grossly overlevelled for all of Cadwell's Silver and Gold zones

The gear awarded as quest rewards for these zones will be grossly underpowered and worthless, except as vendor trash

Unless you're levelling crafting, the armor and weapon mats for anything between level 50 and CP140-160 will be worthless

Since I ground to get to v16 before finishing Silver I am overlevelled, though tbh I prefer that anyway... Yes, most of the loot drops are useless to me apart from as research, but I can either sell them for a little extra gold or put them in my guild's bank for them to decon (since I've maxed all my crafting already). Or give them to other players for the same reason. I guess as another option I could decon all the gear myself and put the mats in a Guild Store.

Lenikus · May 2016

You do Sivler and Gold to be able to cosplay as Cadwell.
Simple.

disintegr8 · May 2016

Completed Silver and Gold on my first 'completion' character to get her through to VR16 without doing PVP. Half way through silver with my next character (VR11), only really to get the skill points and skyshards.

Will wait and see with my other characters. Getting the extra skill points for vet rank removal will help as I have a couple of other lower vet characters who will appreciate getting them when DB arrives.

captainwolfos · May 2016

Skyshards, skill points, and the obsessive need to complete and collect everything on the world map.

Qyrk · May 2016

ethernut60 wrote: »

This actually brings up a couple of other issues:
New characters on accounts that have reached CP160 will be grossly overlevelled for all of Cadwell's Silver and Gold zones

The gear awarded as quest rewards for these zones will be grossly underpowered and worthless, except as vendor trash

Unless you're levelling crafting, the armor and weapon mats for anything between level 50 and CP140-160 will be worthless

Umm do your homework before commenting. The gold zones will be purely cp160, so doing gold zones will still be viable.

Duiwel · May 2016

OP I have 4 VR16 chars , 3 VR something chars and 9 other chars and I only completed 3 zones 100% ( Glenumbra, Stormhaven & Cold Harbour) ever...

I beat the main storyline only twice. Fighter Guild once, Mages Guild once.

There is no need to repeat every quest if that's not your style.

I have also grabbed skyshards in many zones on them (2 of em are imba AF)

The rest have what they need

I am against the VR16 removal personally as I feel it gave me goals to set forth... IF they weren't removed I would have grinded the other 3 VR's to max by now, since they are being removed I just PvP'd with them and parked them till tonight

After tonight I will be well over CP cap and possibly over the next cap also when it increases... So what do people like me have to do moving forward? Why gear up alts of course

ADarklore · May 2016

Curragraigue wrote: »

ADarklore wrote: »

You don't "need" all those skill points unless you're crafting... otherwise high SPs are, well, pointless. Right now on my newest VR1 Templar, I haven't even finished the main alliance quest but have gone through Cyrodiil and collected Skyshards and most Skyshards from Alliance zone, and find myself with 18 extra SP's just sitting there unused. I've spec'd all the skills I'll use, including many that I may never use, and still have those extras. Right now I'm leveling another armor line as well as Resto staff 'just in case' I want to go 'healer' role but I've already been putting points into it and still have the extra. So yeah, haven't even stepped foot into Silver and Gold and I'm already full of excess SPs.

@ADarklore I see you have a number of characters in your signature. As a fellow altoholic I would highly recommend that you level crafting on all characters. You can only farm end game mats in zones that level mats to your crafting level. Farming on your crafter for all of your characters is boring. Being able to pick up end game mats on any character doing dailies or whatever else you are doing for fun is so much easier and enjoyable.

And... this is why I don't farm mats, I simply buy the mats I need with all the gold I get from while questing with my alts.

Now with VR's going away, I only need to craft TWO SETS of gear (Light and Medium) and whenever I decide to play an alt, I just bank the armor and switch it over to whatever character I'm playing. That's the beauty of VR removal, no more constant gear swaps once your character reaches level 50.

James-Wayne · May 2016

Or you wait for the CP cap to be raised and then complete the zone quest line with XP pots and gear for bulk CP advancement... If your not already above the next cap of course

alainjbrennanb16_ESO · May 2016

There will still be a point in doing them and not just for the skill points, i do them for mats. I have my main sitting at v16 with 600 cp and 4 alts sitting at v1, if you kill all and use the keys u soon rack up the mats and maybe get helms etc for ur alts. You may say you will just buy mats but that may prove to be hard as subbed players now have bottomless crafting bags, you may find that sub players will just pick up everything increasing the prices of mats very high, as they will just keep them as no longer will there bags will get full, the same will include the new poision enchanments