Cheats are here to stay

imenace · May 2016

reminder that zenimax cant even fix LOSing with gapcloser ( did you see the PTS? lmfao ) if the network team is to fix the cheat engine they will have to tank the game performance even more, game is basically dead.

Tandor · May 2016

The fact that there will always be cheats is less to do with ZOS and more to do with the nature of competitive gameplay. Every game with competitive gameplay suffers from exploits, some are better at dealing with it while others are better at sweeping it under the carpet. Most make a serious attempt to deal with it but as soon as one exploit is closed another one is found by those determined to cheat their way through the game. It's why a lot of people play on the test server, so they can find the best way of exploiting early once it goes live and they can get ahead before the exploit is closed. This isn't to do with ESO or ZOS, it's common to the whole online gaming community and the primary blame falls on those players concerned, not the developers.

imenace · May 2016

@Tandor i understand that but cheat engine is the oldest trick in the book

Lenikus · May 2016

Just because ZoS doesn't post a thread in here, doesn't mean they aren't doing anything.
The team that "manages the community" (not a real task, if you ask me) is not necessarily the same team that actually works in the game

bedlom · May 2016

Master race ftw

dsalter · May 2016

Lenikus wrote: »

Just because ZoS doesn't post a thread in here, doesn't mean they aren't doing anything.
The team that "manages the community" (not a real task, if you ask me) is not necessarily the same team that actually works in the game

correct. they are separate divisions.

LegacyDM · May 2016

Once it starts affecting their bottom line they will deal with it. With all the rage on the forums they will lose money and will be forced to take action one way or another.

klink012 · May 2016

Tandor wrote: »

The fact that there will always be cheats is less to do with ZOS and more to do with the nature of competitive gameplay. Every game with competitive gameplay suffers from exploits, some are better at dealing with it while others are better at sweeping it under the carpet. Most make a serious attempt to deal with it but as soon as one exploit is closed another one is found by those determined to cheat their way through the game. It's why a lot of people play on the test server, so they can find the best way of exploiting early once it goes live and they can get ahead before the exploit is closed. This isn't to do with ESO or ZOS, it's common to the whole online gaming community and the primary blame falls on those players concerned, not the developers.

The "Community" is absolutely horrid. Especially the PVP Community. Everyone at ZoS should be ashamed they let THEIR game come to this. Imagine if the company had a BACKBONE and actually banned accounts, credit cards, etc. Maybe the existing players would see that ZoS actually cares about it's player base. None of us want to play with cheaters, exploiters, griefers, etc.

If I helped create a game, a massive AAA title, there is no way in he77 I'd let the people who abuse it, keep playing. Absolutely not. Bye bye, I don't want you as a customer. You'll ruin everyone else's experience so you look "cool" on the internet. You will not report bugs, but instead exploit them to your benefit. Great morals.

VerboseQuips · May 2016

Lenikus wrote: »

Just because ZoS doesn't post a thread in here, doesn't mean they aren't doing anything.
The team that "manages the community" (not a real task, if you ask me) is not necessarily the same team that actually works in the game

I have to disagree. In my opinion, managing the community is a real task, and furthermore one that can get difficult and take its toll, especially in times of controversy as it seems to be the case now. They are on the front line, facing anger and rage.

Furthermore, they are responsible for filtering, agregating, structuring the community's requests and suggestions, and sending all those helpful information to the devs team. They do actually help making the game better. In fact, through initiatives like the Loremaster's Archive, they even help making the lore deeper and broader, possibly contributing even to future TES games.

I don't know whether they'll see this but kudos to the Community Team. Your work isn't always easy. Thanks for doing it well and keep up the good work.

And a big thanks to all the other teams involved as well.

Now I am heading to bed. Good night everyone!

Korah_Eaglecry · May 2016

Lenikus wrote: »

Just because ZoS doesn't post a thread in here, doesn't mean they aren't doing anything.
The team that "manages the community" (not a real task, if you ask me) is not necessarily the same team that actually works in the game

We've seen how they handle such things in the past. Ill eat my hat if anything of substance is being done about this.

brandonv516 · May 2016

I'm thinking that a greater amount of the population knows little about cheats and hacks. That population also likely spends more money in this game. Nothing to see here. Keep spending.

SeptimusDova · May 2016

woeler wasn't you previous avatar a puppy?
Tuesday will be interesting
/Meow

ku5h · May 2016

Dont worry guys, when the night get darkest, Zos will step up and do the right thing.....shove bunch of money on some radnom dude, who played game 2 times and 1 of those was by accident. Then they will come out full of themselfs, "see how much we care about our community".

rootimus · May 2016

klink012 wrote: »

If I helped create a game, a massive AAA title, there is no way in he77 I'd let the people who abuse it, keep playing.

ESO is more of a B-movie.

Turelus · May 2016

Having a team actually around to work on and enforce their ToS would be a good start.

stevepdodson_ESO888 · May 2016

Tandor wrote: »

The fact that there will always be cheats is less to do with ZOS and more to do with the nature of competitive gameplay. Every game with competitive gameplay suffers from exploits, some are better at dealing with it while others are better at sweeping it under the carpet. Most make a serious attempt to deal with it but as soon as one exploit is closed another one is found by those determined to cheat their way through the game. It's why a lot of people play on the test server, so they can find the best way of exploiting early once it goes live and they can get ahead before the exploit is closed. This isn't to do with ESO or ZOS, it's common to the whole online gaming community and the primary blame falls on those players concerned, not the developers.

nothing to do with "competitive game play"... it's purely about the fact that some people (not all) are just life's big cheaters: games, sports, partners, tax...you name it, if they think they can get away with it then they will do it

Manpoints · May 2016

Turelus wrote: »

Having a team actually around to work on and enforce their ToS would be a good start.

There are people, its just they'll ban for Blue haired SJW reasons like saying 'no *omo' in zone but slap on the wrist people who actually ruin other gamers experience by exploiting or cheating.

I vote for a Tribal Council.

dtm_samuraib16_ESO · May 2016

Tandor wrote: »

The fact that there will always be cheats is less to do with ZOS and more to do with the nature of competitive gameplay. Every game with competitive gameplay suffers from exploits, some are better at dealing with it while others are better at sweeping it under the carpet. Most make a serious attempt to deal with it but as soon as one exploit is closed another one is found by those determined to cheat their way through the game. It's why a lot of people play on the test server, so they can find the best way of exploiting early once it goes live and they can get ahead before the exploit is closed. This isn't to do with ESO or ZOS, it's common to the whole online gaming community and the primary blame falls on those players concerned, not the developers.

So wait...
Removal of PvP could solve that, you say? XD

There's hardly any competition in PvE...