Bahraha's Curse set Testing and Theorycrafting

STEVIL · April 2016

I have used 5pc bc on several different chars now, always 3 jewels and 2 other.

i am very happy with it after more use.

it will NOT take your best thing and make it optimal above what a 5 pc set dedicated to that focus will do.
it will help everything a bit and definitely shore up your weaknesses.

Example high crit dmg Sta NB with TBSx5, BCx5 NMGx2 benefits from the heals and aoedot. Main place it shows is against bosses that are not accompanied by minions. Normally the majority of self-heal comes from Reaper Mark on kill, but that doesn't really help against lone big bosses. BC provides just enough heal to keep the char going as his damage takes down the boss without having to spend an action in fight on potion. before BC I often needed to chug mid-fight. Now, rarely. So it lets me do more of what the character is good at.

great when BC procs off of arrow aoe snares too.

So, in short, it doesn't seem to be a set that is goona put your numbers over the top in any one focus when compared to more dedicated sets. But it is gonna cover your weaknesses a little more and allow you to spend more clicks on whatever it is you do best when the challenging stuff hits.

And, as an available PVE v16 set with three jewelry, its a great addition anyway.

IMO of course.

Docmandu · April 2016

AverageJo3Gam3r wrote: »

Xsorus wrote: »

My problem with it is it doesn't come with Impen Trait

But it comes in jewelry so you only need two pieces on the body.

But it's only blue jewelry..

AverageJo3Gam3r · April 2016

Docmandu wrote: »

AverageJo3Gam3r wrote: »

Xsorus wrote: »

My problem with it is it doesn't come with Impen Trait

But it comes in jewelry so you only need two pieces on the body.

But it's only blue jewelry..

Is blue jewelry *that* much of a downgrade from purple jewelry?

Reorx_Holybeard · April 2016

AverageJo3Gam3r wrote: »

Docmandu wrote: »

AverageJo3Gam3r wrote: »

Xsorus wrote: »

My problem with it is it doesn't come with Impen Trait

But it comes in jewelry so you only need two pieces on the body.

But it's only blue jewelry..

Is blue jewelry *that* much of a downgrade from purple jewelry?

There's not too much difference especially since the enchantment can be the same for all 3. Keep in mind these are data mined...I'm not aware of the Purple/Gold rings being available in game.

Between the Blue/Purple levels the difference is just:

37 Health
34 Magicka
34 Stamina
39 Damage (3.6%)

AverageJo3Gam3r · April 2016

Reorx_Holybeard wrote: »

AverageJo3Gam3r wrote: »

Docmandu wrote: »

AverageJo3Gam3r wrote: »

Xsorus wrote: »

My problem with it is it doesn't come with Impen Trait

But it comes in jewelry so you only need two pieces on the body.

But it's only blue jewelry..

Is blue jewelry *that* much of a downgrade from purple jewelry?

There's not too much difference especially since the enchantment can be the same for all 3. Keep in mind these are data mined...I'm not aware of the Purple/Gold rings being available in game.

Between the Blue/Purple levels the difference is just:
37 Health

34 Magicka

34 Stamina

39 Damage (3.6%)

That's what I thought. The bigger deal is that they come in v16 so the max level enchants can be applied.

Docmandu · April 2016

Not a super big deal indeed.. it does lower the values of the total 5 pieces though.. so you'll get higher values if you have more armor pieces since those you can purple/gold.

So the blue ring giving 1002 health isn't entirely correct, since you'll have 2 armor pieces purple/gold that will raise the average. Don't know the exact way how the game calculates it.

mr_wazzabi · April 2016

Anyone try this set in vma?

player_klaus · April 2016

fought a mag dk tank wearing this set. i used 5 fasallas. the fight was long and fun but we could not kill each other.
the 70% snare is really annoying, as it proccs right under your feet. your opponent will get a few ticks for sure, before you recon it and move out.
bc+talons is a nasty combo to eat, if you get low on stam.

Calboy · April 2016

Will be trying this with 3 willpower and 4 magnus on my dk tonight. Can't wait. Going with 5l/ 2h but considering 5h/2l.

SeptimusDova · April 2016

This is really a fun set to mix and match with.What other fun armor combos can we come up with? Trinimacs and BC. They get snared and the heal burst goes off? That sounds like a fun one.

Now if only we had the Wabbajack!!!

Thal · April 2016

Does the snare stack with effect from Mephala proc?

jarrandub17_ESO · April 2016

Getting rdy to try this on my Magicka NB in PvP.

Going to run:

Frost staff/Resto Staff
5 Kags
5 BC
1 Kena

Going to use the Frost Clench or Clutch whichever it is, so I get the cc plus immobilize plus the BC proc. Curios to see how it plays out.

ThatNeonZebraAgain · April 2016

jarrandub17_ESO wrote: »

Getting rdy to try this on my Magicka NB in PvP.

Going to run:

Frost staff/Resto Staff
5 Kags
5 BC
1 Kena

Going to use the Frost Clench or Clutch whichever it is, so I get the cc plus immobilize plus the BC proc. Curios to see how it plays out.

That is exactly what I was running on my mag NB in Cyro (though I was using DW/Resto) a few weeks ago. Was amazed people don't move off the proc as much as I thought they would; I think most people don't know what it is, and since it is a greenish-blue color (and not red/yellow/orange) might assume it is not harmful. Overall it was pretty fun for solo and group play (I wish the heal proc healed group members!), but I'm not completely sold that it is better than just using sets with hard stat bonuses, especially since Bahraha's 2, 3, and 4pc bonuses are pretty lackluster.

greylox · April 2016

As it's so cheap now, I picked up some divine pieces for my sorc and quickly got them to purple for a try out.

Really fun set, love how it procs a lot. I use liquid lightning, pulsar and crushing shock to get it going.

Setup atm is :

5 Baharas curse (4 armour 2 staffs)
3 willpower (arcane, spell damage)
3 Archmage

it's looking like if I gold all pieces, magicka should be comfortably over 40k with bound armour, spell damage over 3k and mag regeneration just over 1000.

Autolycus · May 2016

ThatNeonZebraAgain wrote: »

EDIT: You should try using both Leeching and Bahraha at the same time and see what happens!

Just wanted to drop back in to let you know that the BC + Leeching combo is ridiculous. A friend of mine put this together and we ran wgt a few times. The procs went mad, the healing was overkill. It was a lot of fun, but totally unnecessary

ThatNeonZebraAgain · May 2016

Autolycus wrote: »

ThatNeonZebraAgain wrote: »

EDIT: You should try using both Leeching and Bahraha at the same time and see what happens!

Just wanted to drop back in to let you know that the BC + Leeching combo is ridiculous. A friend of mine put this together and we ran wgt a few times. The procs went mad, the healing was overkill. It was a lot of fun, but totally unnecessary

Sounds really fun! Strangely enough, a stamina build would benefit the most from those sets.

Autolycus · May 2016

ThatNeonZebraAgain wrote: »

Autolycus wrote: »

ThatNeonZebraAgain wrote: »

EDIT: You should try using both Leeching and Bahraha at the same time and see what happens!

Just wanted to drop back in to let you know that the BC + Leeching combo is ridiculous. A friend of mine put this together and we ran wgt a few times. The procs went mad, the healing was overkill. It was a lot of fun, but totally unnecessary

Sounds really fun! Strangely enough, a stamina build would benefit the most from those sets.

I agree with that, but specifically for Leeching. Elemental Expert and Thauma both buff BC. Leeching is buffed by Mighty and Thauma. The only thing about BC that makes it attractive to a stam tank is it's far superior proc rate. It's just more reliable. Kinda disappointing, really, considering BC practically grows on trees while Leeching is exceedingly difficult to get ahold of

Torbschka · May 2016

Do u think u can run this set as a DK in PvP? Right now, I play a heavy or light (I just change it around sometimes) dk with:

5 tavas
2 blodspawn
2 torug
3 willpower

It's ok, but I want to try something else.
Some guys have already spoken about this set with a mag DK, but how is it going for u guys now? My specific question is:

Right now I have the feeling, If I dont play with permablocking (blockcasting) in pvp I just getting destroyed if I come into a 1vx situation. For duels I can stack full dmg and just try to kill my opponent in 1v1 before he is killing me, but I dont feeld this is useful in open world pvp.

So, do u guys think I can play without Sword and Board as a mag DK in pvp because the heal will help me survive, even against 2-3 players or will it still be best with permablocking but just superior to my old setup?

Thinking about stacking Dots, skoria etc? (Some1 mentioned this kind of playstyle here) Do u guys recognize (as a DK/NB) the heal in pvp?

Last questin: I have also an argonian NB. Do u guys think this set is more superior on a mag DK or a (mag) Sap Tank?

Sorry for my horrible english, I'm not a native speaker.

EDIT: Thank you guys for this thread, I just have never thought about this set cuz i thought its crap. Maybe I'm able to finally find my "favourite" setup

Savos_Saren · May 2016

@ThatNeonZebraAgain
@Torbschka

Gents,

Earlier, in this post- I showed you the power of what Bahraha's Curse can do for a Dunmer Magicka Dragonknight heavy armored tank.

Well, I've been working on an Argonian pure hybrid Dragonknight heavy armored tank lately. I've got to say- I think it's one of the most versatile, self-sustaining and heavy-hitting builds I've made so far. I think this is what @Wrobel has been trying to get us geared toward. The hybrid, play-as-you-want builds.

I'm waiting one more week before I post the results (because I want to see how Dark Brotherhood modifies the build) but so far (if you have access to the PTS) try this build:

All Attributes toward Stamina... but food should be geared toward Health and Magicka!
Argonian Dragon Knight with 5 Heavy/1 Medium/1 Light
5 pc (heavy) Twice Born Star - all infused, prismatic with the Mundus of: Thief and Shadow
5 pc (jewelry and weapons) Bahraha's Curse -weapons infused (except the shield is sturdy), jewelry is decrease block, reduce magicka cost and reduce stamina cost.

You'll have 1H/S equipped for your tank bar and DW equipped for your aggressive bar. I like the DW option now that Bloodthirst (the rapid strikes morph) returns health. ::ahem Argonian passives ahem::

This leaves you for ANY (and I sh*t you not- ANY!!!) combination of Monster Helm/Shoulders set. (just make sure one is medium and one is light for the Undaunted 6% extra health, magicka, and stamina increase) I prefer Valkyn or Bloodspawn- but you could easily reap the benefits of any other. Seriously... look at all the monster helm traits and try to name one that doesn't benefit an Argonian DK tank. I dare you.

And this is what you've been waiting for: Why do I call it a pure hybrid? It' s simple. We all know the math of diminishing returns for Constellation Points. You can pretty much put 30 Champion Points into a single category in a Champion skill line before start receiving less and less benefits from the points. So, here's a simple breakdown to help anyone that wants to give it a try. This, of course, is going to have the max CP that you can put into the constellations because, well, I've done my due diligence, been here since beta, and I f*cking play as much as humanly possible while putting up with my hot wife and sucky job:

Thief Constellation:
Tower: 60 Warlord/ 60 Magician (BAM!!! Warmount!)
Lover: 20 Mooncalf/20 Arcanist/7 Healthy (BAM!!! Syngergizer!)
Shadow: 0 (But, I swear, @Wrobel - you're going to gimp me if you put blocking here and I lose out on decreased costs!)

Mage Constellation:
The Apprentice: 30 Elfborn/30 Elemental Expert/15 Spell Erosion/ 2 Blessed (BAM!!! 12% SPELL CRIT)
The Mage: 0
The Ritual: 30 Mighty/30 Precise Strikes/15 Piercing/15 Thaumaturge (BAM!!! 12% WEAPON CRIT)

Warrior Constellation:
The Steed: 30 Block Expertise/ 30 Spell Shield, 15 Resistant (BAM!!! Shield Expert)
The Lady: 30 Hardy/ 30 Elemental Defender (BAM!!! Resistant)
The Lord: 30 Heavy Armor Focus/2 Quick Recovery

I'm going to put this in a separate post to encourage other people to think outside the box- but feel free to experiment with the abilities.

Torbschka · May 2016

First, thanks for your great effort you put into that post. Second, well all what u said sounds so awesome, I cant even believe it lol

This is exactly a hybrid build what ever1 said would be "crap".

I would really appreciate it if you could screenshot your stats and / or some gameplay material. Nevertheless I have some questions regarding your post:

1. I have an Altmer V16 DK, do u think Argonian is way better or can I make it work with an Altmer (that question lol), how much do u think will race make a difference?

2. What abilites do u use, what is your main DPS? Is it stam or magicka, flame leash? Dots are moprhed on magicka, stamina?

3. Is this espeically for the new patch, since Heavy Armor is right now not that strong, but with the next patch it will ?

4. How would u rate your 1v1, 1vx killing potential, do u kill slowly your enemies or can also quick sometimes?

Man it sounds really interesting!

I was thinking about the same setup u have posted with kagrenacs, but do u think 5 baharas, 3 seduce, 2 monster and 1 mealtstron arena sharpend flame staff is superior ? (well the question is: dual wield vs sharpend vmsa Flamestaff)

Thanks man, I really have to think about some more things! Whats about the Nightblade vs Dragonknight thing about Bahrahas , do u think this could also work with some tweaks with a nb?

Savos_Saren · May 2016

@Torbschka

Are you talking to the OP or me?

Torbschka · May 2016

Most of the questin regarding you, but e.g. "Do u think a Sap tank nb build or a mag dk will benefite more form bahrahas" is for every1 ^^

ThatNeonZebraAgain · May 2016

Autolycus wrote: »

ThatNeonZebraAgain wrote: »

Autolycus wrote: »

ThatNeonZebraAgain wrote: »

EDIT: You should try using both Leeching and Bahraha at the same time and see what happens!

Just wanted to drop back in to let you know that the BC + Leeching combo is ridiculous. A friend of mine put this together and we ran wgt a few times. The procs went mad, the healing was overkill. It was a lot of fun, but totally unnecessary

Sounds really fun! Strangely enough, a stamina build would benefit the most from those sets.

I agree with that, but specifically for Leeching. Elemental Expert and Thauma both buff BC. Leeching is buffed by Mighty and Thauma. The only thing about BC that makes it attractive to a stam tank is it's far superior proc rate. It's just more reliable. Kinda disappointing, really, considering BC practically grows on trees while Leeching is exceedingly difficult to get ahold of

Torbschka wrote: »

Most of the questin regarding you, but e.g. "Do u think a Sap tank nb build or a mag dk will benefite more form bahrahas" is for every1 ^^

In a discussion on the ESO subreddit a few weeks ago, some stamina tanks talked about using Bahraha's as their means of self-heal. Interestingly, the heal is strong enough without speccing magicka/spell power to make it viable for stam builds, and the 2-4pc bonuses support any build.

As for your question about mag NB or mag DK, it's a toss up. I might lean toward mag DK because of Igneous Shield's Major Vitality buff, which would boost BC's heal quite a bit and is something that NB's don't have access to unless they run Malubeth monster set.

Autolycus · May 2016

ThatNeonZebraAgain wrote: »

Autolycus wrote: »

ThatNeonZebraAgain wrote: »

Autolycus wrote: »

ThatNeonZebraAgain wrote: »

EDIT: You should try using both Leeching and Bahraha at the same time and see what happens!

Just wanted to drop back in to let you know that the BC + Leeching combo is ridiculous. A friend of mine put this together and we ran wgt a few times. The procs went mad, the healing was overkill. It was a lot of fun, but totally unnecessary

Sounds really fun! Strangely enough, a stamina build would benefit the most from those sets.

I agree with that, but specifically for Leeching. Elemental Expert and Thauma both buff BC. Leeching is buffed by Mighty and Thauma. The only thing about BC that makes it attractive to a stam tank is it's far superior proc rate. It's just more reliable. Kinda disappointing, really, considering BC practically grows on trees while Leeching is exceedingly difficult to get ahold of

Torbschka wrote: »

Most of the questin regarding you, but e.g. "Do u think a Sap tank nb build or a mag dk will benefite more form bahrahas" is for every1 ^^

In a discussion on the ESO subreddit a few weeks ago, some stamina tanks talked about using Bahraha's as their means of self-heal. Interestingly, the heal is strong enough without speccing magicka/spell power to make it viable for stam builds, and the 2-4pc bonuses support any build.

As for your question about mag NB or mag DK, it's a toss up. I might lean toward mag DK because of Igneous Shield's Major Vitality buff, which would boost BC's heal quite a bit and is something that NB's don't have access to unless they run Malubeth monster set.

That's true. I was not trying to imply that it isn't useful for stamina tanks, because you're right in that the unbuffed 5pc proc is still a large and worthwhile heal. It's more reliable than Leeching. My point was only that BC falls more easily into a magicka spec since it does get buffed by EE and Thauma.

Kozai · May 2016

jaburns wrote: »

All Attributes toward Stamina... but food should be geared toward Health and Magicka!
Argonian Dragon Knight with 5 Heavy/1 Medium/1 Light
5 pc (heavy) Twice Born Star - all infused, prismatic with the Mundus of: Thief and Shadow
5 pc (jewelry and weapons) Bahraha's Curse -weapons infused (except the shield is sturdy), jewelry is decrease block, reduce magicka cost and reduce stamina cost.

You'll have 1H/S equipped for your tank bar and DW equipped for your aggressive bar. I like the DW option now that Bloodthirst (the rapid strikes morph) returns health. ::ahem Argonian passives ahem::

A friend and I came up with something very much like this (different minor details; we did Divines on the TBS pieces other than the chest and legs which had infused prismatic, etc.). I was also leaving a couple of pieces of the TBS as purple for now, so if the Monster sets I want happen to drop as both heavy, for example, I can swap out the TBS pieces for medium and light without wasting the gold tempers. I just plugged a couple of Death's Wind armor pieces in as placeholders for the Monster sets.

The other nice feature is although the BC jewelry only drops as blue, because they are quite cheap on the markets I picked up several different ones of each (Health, Arcane, etc.) and plan to put different enchantments on them for different situations. Shield block cost reduction for hard dungeons with a lot of damage, weapon damage if I'm doing a normal dungeon speed run with a good healer, etc. That versatility makes up for not having purple or gold jewelry, IMHO. Something similar can be done with weapons, though obviously it is more expensive to upgrade several weapon sets to gold.

exiledtyrant · May 2016

There was a Dev post in the PTS forums detailing how Bahara's curse procs. It is dependent on ability frequency not damage frequency. I hope this helps clear up any confusion.

"ZOS_TFlemming wrote: »

Bahara’s/Syvarra’s
Something that isn’t communicated very clearly right now is that Bahara’s Curse procs on ability cast, not on damage, as it is meant to be better for people who don’t use DoTs vs Syvarra’s which has a chance to proc on every tick (hence the lower proc rate). Syvarra’s performs better with more DoT focused builds.

From a DPS standpoint I didn't have much luck with it when I combined Barahara's with 5 pieces of syvara's scales and 2 pieces of agility. The added flat damage didn't really equal out all the lost weapon power. The new enchants add something to builds focusing on flat damage though. From some initial test on PTS affliction + powered weapon enchants + scales should be doing around 1-2k more DPS than a weapon damage setup that had 7% more critical and 1k more weapon damage. I still have to test a lot more setups with and without shadow mundus( I'm pretty sure weapon damage sets start to come ahead again here) etc but flat damage is catching up.

Brrrofski · May 2016

Does this drop in sturdy at all?

STEVIL · May 2016

Brrrofski wrote: »

Does this drop in sturdy at all?

Looking thru the ones i still have in stock i dont see any.
Divines, reinf, infused sure

But

I have likely deconned some so msybe it did.

Doubt it

Brrrofski · May 2016

STEVIL wrote: »

Brrrofski wrote: »

Does this drop in sturdy at all?

Looking thru the ones i still have in stock i dont see any.
Divines, reinf, infused sure

But

I have likely deconned some so msybe it did.

Doubt it

Yeh, I looked around guild stores and could only find those traits

WhoThenNow7 · May 2016

I have heard multiple times people saying this set is "cheap" in the guild traders.. Anyone care to enlighten me and give me their definition of cheap? I don't have millions of even hundreds of thousands of gold so what you all think is cheap may be very different from what I do. Thanks!