would pvp be better if it was just 3 campaigns? (1 non vet, 2 vet?)

Wing · May 2016

blackwater stays no vet no cp, then we get 2 vet CP campaigns.

discuss.

KenaPKK · May 2016

CP is AIDS for this game. The feeling of character progression and customization is nice, but the raw mitigation and resource sustain stats that it gives you make PvP too forgiving in my opinion.

bitaken · May 2016

KenaPKK wrote: »

CP is AIDS for this game. The feeling of character progression and customization is nice, but the raw mitigation and resource sustain stats that it gives you make PvP too forgiving in my opinion.

This - right here - is the crux of the issue. People ball up in zergs of 20+ and have ridiculous amounts of healing and sustain. This only works on the CP campaigns. In non CP small man groups that are properly co-ordinated (by small I mean relatively small 6-12 say compared to the 20+ I see regularly on Haderus when I visit) can absolutely roll over the mindless zergs that are spamming springs, mutagen, proxy from stam builds and spinning to win with bombard spam coming out of every corner and orifice. On the CP campaigns those exact 20 man groups can basically just roll around endlessly with no potential for anything but minimal loss unless they encounter a force that is the same or equal size and equally co-ordinated.

I just wish more people would try out the non CP campaign for veterans and find out what it's like to play the game when you actually have to think and not make mistakes or you will die. It seems to me that on the CP campaigns (aside from the 1vX crowd) there is a TON of mindless spamming and not a care in the world about resource management and timing.

Kartalin · May 2016

I think we need 3 vet campaigns. Last weekend for a while we had the CP campaigns triple locked with 2-3 bars on each faction in no-CP.

Also more EP on Azuras. DC keeps AD held to Fare, BB, and BM usually, and they're nice enough not to push further most times. But more EP would decrease the focus on AD.

Then again we were attacked by EP twice yesterday evening with our three keeps. One group went all the way to black boot. Luckily they were free AP -- a group of three of us took out their eight.

Morostyle · May 2016

bitaken wrote: »

KenaPKK wrote: »

CP is AIDS for this game. The feeling of character progression and customization is nice, but the raw mitigation and resource sustain stats that it gives you make PvP too forgiving in my opinion.

This - right here - is the crux of the issue. People ball up in zergs of 20+ and have ridiculous amounts of healing and sustain. This only works on the CP campaigns. In non CP small man groups that are properly co-ordinated (by small I mean relatively small 6-12 say compared to the 20+ I see regularly on Haderus when I visit) can absolutely roll over the mindless zergs that are spamming springs, mutagen, proxy from stam builds and spinning to win with bombard spam coming out of every corner and orifice. On the CP campaigns those exact 20 man groups can basically just roll around endlessly with no potential for anything but minimal loss unless they encounter a force that is the same or equal size and equally co-ordinated.

I just wish more people would try out the non CP campaign for veterans and find out what it's like to play the game when you actually have to think and not make mistakes or you will die. It seems to me that on the CP campaigns (aside from the 1vX crowd) there is a TON of mindless spamming and not a care in the world about resource management and timing.

10-12 man vs zergs on Non CP campaign

https://youtube.com/watch?v=hDiyWR1NINM
https://youtube.com/watch?v=TQq71F4ZEbs

Rohamad_Ali · May 2016

I've been playing on the non CP campaign and sometimes sneaking in the 30 day CP campaign just to make sure I don't lose touch . While the fights seem easier on the non cp because I am use to managing resources , vet levels are replaced by CP very soon .

In short , how do they make a Non CP campaign above level 49 if CP is the only thing left to identify level ?
Can they do that ?

Kartalin · May 2016

Roehamad_Ali wrote: »

In short , how do they make a Non CP campaign above level 49 if CP is the only thing left to identify level ?
Can they do that ?

Likely it will be Blackwater with no CP and levels up to 49 and Azuras with no CP and everyone welcome.

bitaken · May 2016

Kartalin wrote: »

Roehamad_Ali wrote: »

In short , how do they make a Non CP campaign above level 49 if CP is the only thing left to identify level ?
Can they do that ?

Likely it will be Blackwater with no CP and levels up to 49 and Azuras with no CP and everyone welcome.

This is correct. The reality is that they probably setup the non CP campaign as the stepping stone for those who don't have CP for freshly leveled 50s. The problem herein is that some of us really enjoy the game play without CP. Not everyone - and I understand it - but some people would rather play without CP. I have 487 CP and would rather not PvP with CP. I wish they had never put CP in the game. Has to be the worst thing for PvP since the lighting patch.

bikerangelo · May 2016

WTB more EP in Azura's.
The small, lag-free fights are awesome, but the population imbalance is ruining any potential competitive gameplay. Really wish more people (but not too many) would give Azura's another shot and make it a healthy campaign, it's just too difficult to incentivize them aside from the performance improvements.

KenaPKK · May 2016

bitaken wrote: »

KenaPKK wrote: »

CP is AIDS for this game. The feeling of character progression and customization is nice, but the raw mitigation and resource sustain stats that it gives you make PvP too forgiving in my opinion.

This - right here - is the crux of the issue. People ball up in zergs of 20+ and have ridiculous amounts of healing and sustain. This only works on the CP campaigns. In non CP small man groups that are properly co-ordinated (by small I mean relatively small 6-12 say compared to the 20+ I see regularly on Haderus when I visit) can absolutely roll over the mindless zergs that are spamming springs, mutagen, proxy from stam builds and spinning to win with bombard spam coming out of every corner and orifice. On the CP campaigns those exact 20 man groups can basically just roll around endlessly with no potential for anything but minimal loss unless they encounter a force that is the same or equal size and equally co-ordinated.

I just wish more people would try out the non CP campaign for veterans and find out what it's like to play the game when you actually have to think and not make mistakes or you will die. It seems to me that on the CP campaigns (aside from the 1vX crowd) there is a TON of mindless spamming and not a care in the world about resource management and timing.

This is exactly the case.

Delsskia · May 2016

There are 3 factions, so there needs to be at least 3 CP campaigns in order to abolish faction hopping on the same campaign again. That'd also spread out the population more, reducing the zergs. If anything I'd suggest adding that other CP campaign as well as removing the guest campaign option.

bitaken · May 2016

Delsskia wrote: »

There are 3 factions, so there needs to be at least 3 CP campaigns in order to abolish faction hopping on the same campaign again. That'd also spread out the population more, reducing the zergs. If anything I'd suggest adding that other CP campaign as well as removing the guest campaign option.

I am not sure exactly what this means - but at 23:00 hours EST Had was pop locked - True was pop locked - and only 2 bars of AD and 1 bar of EP on Azuras.

Are people that scared to play without unlimited resources?

I guess I just don't understand it. I see Azura's as pure TESO combat. Had and True are just like some version of the game that favors only the maxxed out CP characters with a full group of 20+

I get yelled at by the enemy faction for "zerging" with 10 people on Azuras. If I take those 10 to True or Had we are facing fully co-ordinated 24 man group and usually 2 of them per fight. Is there no middle ground left?

fablliott · May 2016

Yeah PvPing in non cp is really a whole new experience, really wish more ep would come on board Azura's to make it more competitive. The new campaign cycle started ytd if I'm not wrong, would be real nice if some EP players came over. Non-Cp makes pvp really interesting, you can no longer rely on CP to make up for what you're lacking, you've got to be aware of the strengths/weaknesses of your class and fit your build on your playstyle.

zuto40 · May 2016

need 1 less vet cp campaign on xbox na, way to many campaigns