Please use the @ to tag others!

Gidorick · May 2016

Taisynn wrote: »

But you are speaking for everyone when others have said they don't want to, and then you scoff at them. Your posts come across as sarcastic against others. You even admit yourself that it can be annoying, yet you keep pressing. Then you call them rude for choosing not to "extend the courtsey" of your choice. And you're not just asking for yourself, you're asking everyone do this.

So, I showed you rude. Plan a success. Sometimes people don't understand until they see the other side.

I agree the tags can be annoying. I agreed to that before. It is a very strong point against tagging. However, I still think people should tag others in conversations... I think the annoyance is worth the human to human connection. The extension of the conversation and the notification that someone has responded to your post.

I actually think I'll start deleting quote trails to try to help this annoyance. It'll only take a second or two more and it'll stop the spam. So I'm glad the fact that this is a major annoyance for people was brought to my attention.

I still think that not tagging someone, if you are fully aware that the person may not see your post, is rude. It's sort of akin to having a conversation with someone, waiting until that person leaves the room, and then getting in your last word to the other people left in the room.

I will still tag people. Those who don't want to see tags will turn off notifications. I think the practice of tagging people when you quote them @Taisynn is the best practice considering the tools we have at our disposal.

All you've done is make me feel like a complete jackhole for sincerely trying to help. Congratulations. You win, I guess.

Gidorick · May 2016

dodgehopper_ESO wrote: »

Gidorick wrote: »

This is pretty quick. If you're responding in a thread to anyone other than the OP, please use the @ symbol to tag the person you are responding to. If you don't, the person might never know you responded to them.

So please use the @ tag (like... @Gidorick ) to tag the person who wrote the post you're responding to so the conversation can continue. Unless you're trying to sneakily have the last word in the conversation... in that case, don't use the @ tag.

General Rule: If you quote someone, tag them!

Being able to tag other players on topics is a big discovery on forum use, and lets people have actual conversations. I approve. I hadn't really thought about the way the quote of a quote of a quote can get annoying though, and while it does at times I don't mind as much because it serves to inform that elements of a topic you were interested in are probably being bandied about back and forth. Lets face it, a lot of the times many of us forum post while we're also preoccupied with something else boring (waiting room, on hold, etc.) I've been known to forum post off my cell phone (and I'm the kind of person who hates texting). Being able to access information quickly is a good thing.

Then this whole mess of a thread was worth it @dodgehopper_ESO .

Osteos · May 2016

Shouldn't you be in Cyrodiil @vamp_emily ? This war inst going to win itself!

Taisynn · May 2016

Gidorick wrote: »

Taisynn wrote: »

But you are speaking for everyone when others have said they don't want to, and then you scoff at them. Your posts come across as sarcastic against others. You even admit yourself that it can be annoying, yet you keep pressing. Then you call them rude for choosing not to "extend the courtsey" of your choice. And you're not just asking for yourself, you're asking everyone do this.

So, I showed you rude. Plan a success. Sometimes people don't understand until they see the other side.

I agree the tags can be annoying. I agreed to that before. It is a very point against tagging. However, I still think people should tag others in conversations... I think the annoyance is worth the human to human connection. The extension of the conversation and the notification that someone has responded to your post.

I actually think I'll start deleting quote trails to try to help this annoyance. It'll only take a second or two more and it'll stop the spam. So I'm glad the fact that this is a major annoyance for people was brought to my attention.

I still think that not tagging someone, if you are fully aware that the person may not see your post, is rude. It's sort of akin to having a conversation with someone, waiting until that person leaves the room, and then getting in your last word to the other people left in the room.

I will still tag people. Those who don't want to see tags will turn off notifications. I think the practice of tagging people when you quote them @Taisynn is the best practice considering the tools we have at our disposal.

All you've done is make me feel like a complete jackhole for sincerely trying to help. Congratulations. You win, I guess.

@Gidorick Thank you for seeing the otherside of this and proposing a compromise without resulting to sarcasm or rudeness. That's literally all I wanted; removing the quote trails is a compromise where both sides can win.

I intended for you to feel that way; I wanted you to see the otherside before you result to sarcasm. Especially since you're asking for others to support you. Your ideas are under the good graces of others supporting you so ZOS sees that the vast majority of players want this. You'll never sway your decentors with vinegar; use honey.

Gidorick · May 2016

Taisynn wrote: »

@Gidorick Thank you for seeing the otherside of this and proposing a compromise without resulting to sarcasm or rudeness. That's literally all I wanted; removing the quote trails is a compromise where both sides can win.

I intended for you to feel that way; I wanted you to see the otherside before you result to sarcasm. Especially since you're asking for others to support you. Your ideas are under the good graces of others supporting you so ZOS sees that the vast majority of players want this. You'll never sway your decentors with vinegar; use honey.

I didn't intend for my levity came across as sarcastic. Others on this thread didn't see it that way. If telling yourself that you belittling me was "for my own good" makes you feel good about doing it then go ahead and tell yourself that.

Honestly though, all you've done is get my attention (good job I guess) and squelch the tiny bit of lightheartedness I was struggling to maintain in this thread.

And I just realized that I didn't respond to any of your posts from earlier in this thread... If that's what this is about I apologize. I can see how you may have felt ignored earlier. That was rude of me. Not intentionally, but it was rude. I'll admit that.

Rosveen · May 2016

Gidorick wrote: »

Rosveen wrote: »

Gidorick wrote: »

Rosveen wrote: »

Tandor wrote: »

I've never tagged anyone, I've always assumed that if they're interested in the replies to their post they'll read the topic. They certainly seem to have no problem responding to my comments! I also have my own notifications disabled, they're of no interest to me as I routinely follow the topics I'm interested in anyway. I think notifications are over-rated.

Same. I tag people only when I want to call them to topic they haven't posted in, but I know they would be interested in or can offer valuable insight.

We wouldn't even have this problem if the forum notified us when someone quotes our posts, like every other forum in existence. But looking at Bethesda's new official forum, they clearly can't be bothered with proper forum design, so whatever.

The problem though @Rosveen , is that we doesn't have the quoted notification preference. To me, when someone replies to me specifically by quoting me, but they don't tag me... it's like they are trying to slyly have the "last word" on the topic.

It's kind of rude...

And now I have six notifications, half of them from Tandor who wasn't even talking to me. It's spam, not courtesy.

But if we DIDN'T tag you Rosveen, you wouldn't have had the opportunity to come to this thread making this incredibly cogent point... right? ehh... right?!

I'm glad you find this discussion so amusing. To address the part of your post that isn't useless mockery: in my two years on this forum I've been quite successful in utilizing the "Participated Discussions" button to follow conversations. If people quote me, I know about it. If there are 8 pages between my post and theirs, then I admit it's easy to miss and tagging is a viable solution (though depending on the subject, a PM might be even better). But that's partially what I was trying to say in my first post in this thread: there's time and place for tagging, it doesn't need to (and imo shouldn't) be used every time you respond to someone. For example, this thread is so short that it's impossible to lose track of a conversation. I'm not actually against all tagging, my main problem is the forum software messing up notifications in quote chains, making the whole system too annoying to be useful (and I don't believe for one second that you'll ever convince everyone to delete earlier quotes before they answer).

Gidorick · May 2016

Rosveen wrote: »

I'm glad you find this discussion so amusing. To address the part of your post that isn't useless mockery: in my two years on this forum I've been quite successful in utilizing the "Participated Discussions" button to follow conversations. If people quote me, I know about it. If there are 8 pages between my post and theirs, then I admit it's easy to miss and tagging is a viable solution (though depending on the subject, a PM might be even better). But that's partially what I was trying to say in my first post in this thread: there's time and place for tagging, it doesn't need to (and imo shouldn't) be used every time you respond to someone. For example, this thread is so short that it's impossible to lose track of a conversation. I'm not actually against all tagging, my main problem is the forum software messing up notifications in quote chains, making the whole system too annoying to be useful (and I don't believe for one second that you'll ever convince everyone to delete earlier quotes before they answer).

What I found amusing was how very effective the point being made was and I found it amusing that I had absolutely no reason not to just outright agree that tagging someone can cause spam.

Editing quotes to remove trails is not something I am suggesting. I said

I actually think I'll start deleting quote trails to try to help this annoyance. It'll only take a second or two more and it'll stop the spam. So I'm glad the fact that this is a major annoyance for people was brought to my attention.

I think it would be unreasonable for someone to expect that of other people. I've been doing it since I made that comment. I don't mind going out of my way to make things a bit easier for other people. I try not to be rude... sometime I am unintentionally, like I was to Taisynn. I never claimed to be faultless.

I was just trying to suggest something that, from my perspective, would make everyone's time on this forum more effective and easier. I was also trying to keep this thread kind of jokey and lighthearted because I didn't want to come across as I clearly came across... preachy and judgmental.

Don't worry. I've learned my lessons:

Tagging people can get annoying
People don't want to be bothered with trying to make things easier for others
My particular sense of humor does not resonate with this community and is seen as me being insensitive and meanspirited

Got it.

Burning_Talons · May 2016

Yea like @ZOS_Finn

Gidorick · May 2016

Burning_Talons wrote: »

Yea like @ZOS_Finn

I bet he has a love/hate relationship with these forums @Burning_Talons . You KNOW his notifications stay full.

rootimus · May 2016

Gidorick wrote: »

So if you post on a thread @Tandor , go to bed, go to work then you come home and that thread has 15 more pages, you'll read over single one of those pages?

That's unrealistic to expect someone to do. I'm sorry.

Posting in a thread without reading all of it first is extremely poor netiquette. It's also a lot easier on the eyes to do so these days; I'm fairly certain usenet made me go blind multiple times.