WhoThenNow7 wrote: »

I just hit vet 16 for the first time... Sheesh, I feel for you guys who had to get 14 million xp just for 3 levels. Vet 16's deserve the reward; get over it, dude.

Ughhh. Vet levels during the craglorn days sucked. Took soooooooooo long. Unless of course you exploited grind spots.

Jees, this is still going. it really shouldnt matter to you @zFib . I believe every one gets 2.5 CP per Vet rank, so if you ignore the Cap the potential benefit 40 CP to a vet 16 at 400CP is less than 20 CPs are to say a Vet 8 at 200 CP because of diminishing returns.

I admit though i agree it is backwards @zfib because zenimax seemingly have no faith in there catch up system.They have a cap that hasn't been raised in months if they continue to raise the cap by 51 every 6 months and the top limit is 3600 possible. it'll take ~60 years to ever reach the 3600 limit. and until they have faith in catch up closing the disparity for new player and old, they will continue to make decisions like this one, which done for good intentions (to ensure those at v16 or with multiple veteran alts can be boosted towards the cap even if they haven't played since CP were introduced) is actually counter to what they wish to achieve (equality in the player base to make it easier to balance PvP and to make new content that is challenging for all, but not impossible for some or too easy for others)

as I understand it, the difference in XP it takes to gain a CP is only a result of the catch-up mechanic. The amount of XP needed for a CP was reduced to give those with fewer CP a way to catch-up to those with more CP. Excluding Enlightenment, all CP should cost the same, like it did when the game released for console. My second max character gained A LOT more CP while leveling up than my first max character did.

Xjcon wrote: »

@zFib stop making yourself like a stomping feet child....


Example. You at 155 CP get CP at somewhere in the 200k range per. While someone with 1000+ ( which is the range you seem to be talking about with your 40mil figure) had to farm their CP prior to ZoS changing the system to allow players to catch up. They farmed at 400k xp per CP up to that point. Your getting CP at a much faster rate because those CP now cost much less then they used to. Once Zos raises the cap the xp curve will change continuing to allow you to gain CP much cheaper then the person with over 1k CP.

This concludes that the only person in this thread who seems to think himself entitled is yourself.

Have a good day sir

well said. This is exactly correct

zFib wrote: »

helediron wrote: »

zFib wrote: »

Valrien wrote: »

zFib wrote: »

Valrien wrote: »

zFib wrote: »

bowmanz607 wrote: »

So only players that have barely played should get it? What about the players that have grinder up multiple vets and with dB new players simply do to 50 which can be done in 1 day. So now all of that time players spent getting to v16 multiple times not only wasted their time, but also see no benefit for doing so. Ya sorry about your luck. Zos already caters to casuals and new players enough.

whos saying "only players that have barely played should get it?" go read the thread and come back when youre not misinformed

If people have so few CP that the difference between the effective exp between 40 CP on their account and 40 CP on someone else's, they've barely played. You effectively want those who barely have any CP to get more CP than those at or close to the cap. How is that fair? Someone who's played less than me gets more than me? Seems like pretty f'ed up logic.

the one with the F'ed up logic is you. How on earth do you not understand the simple concept of giving an equal amount of CXP to everyone. It may give people with the lower cp more than people with higher cp but what youre not understanding is its the same amount of CXP. this means that the people with the lower CP will still have to catch up and will have the same amount of grinding u had to do when they hit say 400 cp Lets say it costs 200k per cp. 200k * 400= 80 million xp for 400cp(hypothetical) so if they give everyone an equal amount of CXP that "xp bar" of 80 million xp is being evenly filled for every one. TH

But it doesn't cost 200k per CP, that hypothetical isn't close to what we have. What we have is a curve determined by an equation. I don't even know why you're fixated on the exp gain. It's MORE fair to get 40 CP, because we're all gaining the same amount of power. Hell, people with less than 501 CP are gaining more power than the people with less than 501.

Once again, I ask. How is it fair that someone who put in less effort than me in getting these champion points deserves more bonus points? I don't see the fairness. I see 40 as fair.

so you see it fair that youre getting like 40 million CXP worth of CP and im getting like 10 million CXP worth of CP? how is that fair?

Flat amount of CP is more fair. I have account over cap and another at 155. Why on earth should the lower level account get more CP? Flat CXP would turn to more CP at lower level. I simply disagree with that logic. That would be double-dipping to catch-up.

The whole artificial reverse calculation would vanish, if we removed catch-up. So, do we remove the catch-up system then to solve this?

ok so you see it fair that you get 40 million CXP in CP and i get 10 million CXP in CP and when i ( and thousands of others) have to catch up to you in CP well also have to deal with that massive bonus of 30 million you guys got in CXP? 30 million xp is almost 3 vet 16s worth of grinding. thats ridiculous. Im going to have to disagree with you

The flat, upto 40 CP is fair and i am perfectly okay with it on my accounts. It feels right. It is same kind of bonus as we got when CP system came. That imaginary CXP calculation only exists because catch-up mechanism. DO you want to get rid of catch-up?

So if we would use that flat CXP, which is imaginary, i get 40 CP to the capped account while the lesser played account gets way over 100 CP. So actually OP wants more CP than those who have played more. THAT is absolutely wrong. Now someone wants to grab easy CPs by exploiting the system. OP should stop talking about equal XP, when the real agenda seems to be getting free CPs by double dipping to catch-up mechanism.

BTW my lower account has today 165 CP, ten more than yesterday. I have earned that forty CPs by playing during the existence of this thread. I suggest OP does the same and stop this nonsense.

@zFib

So when everyone got 50% more xp from eating cake it was unfair because higher level characters were earning more XP and thus more champion points then lower level characters were.

Everyone is getting 40 free cookies, these cookies are all the same, except I usually charge you 1 dollar per cookie, and your older neighbor 2 dollars per cookie. Now you demand that I should give you 80 cookies because your cookies are really worth less (they are not worth less they are just easier for you to obtain).

Or

really you are saying that your neighbor deserves fewer cookies than you because your a kid and why shouldn't you be rewarded for your being around less time and older people have eaten more cookies than you in their lives.

Everyone is getting 40 cookies

Eat the free cookies and stop complaining.

GivvumBoane wrote: »

acw37162 wrote: »

So if I understand you right.

Your upset the people at the top of CP spectrum are getting a numerically bigger benefit then the people at the bottom of the CP spectrum?

When you convert the points into raw XP, yes that's what the op is saying. He wants to take that raw XP value for the 40 points that someone with say 501 Cp has and give that flat XP value to everyone. Which would, in turn, equate to more points for the low end. I do not agree with this and I have less Cp than the OP.

So giving 40 CP to everyone who already has a V16 irregardless of current CP rank equals a greater CP experience gift numerically on the higher end then the lower end but is still 40 free CP to everyone with a V16.

Is in my humble and quite meaningless opinion is a worthless waste of a complaint.

40 free CP is 40 free CP is 40 free CP

Take your free CP and your calculator and go have fun in the champion system constellations.

Edit; not you Givvum, but thank you for the response

Typhoios wrote: »

You're right OP. It isn't fair. They should add up all the experience for those of us who earned the bulk of their CP when each point cost 400,000xp, apply it to how much we would have earned if we had the catch up mechanic and give us the CP difference. I mean, how is it fair that I had to work harder and earn more xp for each champion point than you?

They created the catch up mechanic precisely because you guys "worked hard" to get all those CPs. Why would they exacerbate the problem by giving those that were already way ahead in CP more CP? That don't make no sense.

WalkingLegacy wrote: »

I think ZOS should get rid of the CP system since the catch up mechanic is a joke, it ruins any attempt at balance, and makes PvP a lackluster experience unless you're at cap.

There's a lot better ways to hook players into playing your game.

WalkingLegacy wrote: »

I think ZOS should get rid of the CP system since the catch up mechanic is a joke, it ruins any attempt at balance, and makes PvP a lackluster experience unless you're at cap.

There's a lot better ways to hook players into playing your game.

This is just a bunch of whining. Sorry. I have a great time in PVP and I don't have the cap CP. Learn to play your class. Actually, I've killed folks with my level 23 character that are V16, so battle scaling is enough advantage. Get out there and play and get some skills and CP. I've literally leveled an alt to Vet in less than a week. I'm 45 and a mother of four kids. Quit whining for a participation award and do something worth while to make yourself competitive.

zFib wrote: »

all of you saying "go grind" completely have the wrong idea. U think zos meant for this game to be nothing but a grind until you hit vet 16, and 501 cp? No. And dont tell me to go play on azuras because ive tried that its dead 5/6 of the day. Im at 267 cp right now all im saying is i think they could do a better job of giving everyone CP at DB release. Maybe just make it a flat value of champion xp so the amount of cp you would gain would depend on your current cp

zFib wrote: »

all of you saying "go grind" completely have the wrong idea. U think zos meant for this game to be nothing but a grind until you hit vet 16, and 501 cp? No. And dont tell me to go play on azuras because ive tried that its dead 5/6 of the day. Im at 267 cp right now all im saying is i think they could do a better job of giving everyone CP at DB release. Maybe just make it a flat value of champion xp so the amount of cp you would gain would depend on your current cp

zFib wrote: »

all of you saying "go grind" completely have the wrong idea. U think zos meant for this game to be nothing but a grind until you hit vet 16, and 501 cp? No. And dont tell me to go play on azuras because ive tried that its dead 5/6 of the day. Im at 267 cp right now all im saying is i think they could do a better job of giving everyone CP at DB release. Maybe just make it a flat value of champion xp so the amount of cp you would gain would depend on your current cp

This thread is still alive? o.O

How about no one gets any CP, so everyone gets treated equally :P

RandalMarrs wrote: »

I do not think the catch up mechanic was put in because players with high cp counts worked so hard. It was put in to put newer players within reach of long time players. The 501 ceiling was put in because some players had so many and to limit base character power. The catch up mechanic and the ceiling keep players in the same ballpark.

That's what I meant. I was making a bit of fun out of the fact that people think grinding CPs is working hard and they are entitled to something for it. ESO is not Social Security, people.

zFib wrote: »

Rex-Umbra wrote: »

World is not always "fair".

i totally agree, but as a game company, they have the option to make it fair. Are you saying its ok for a NB to have say 90k stamina when no other classes can? no thats not fair, so the developers make it so that doesnt happen. Games are supposed to be as fair as possible

Apples and oranges you can get 501 cp you choose not to

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

It is unfair....

Those of us who hit cap level back at VR12 or Vr14 who only got credit for one VR14 when CP was added and then now again, screwed for credit of only one Vr16 when new players only have to hit CP160 which with the CP catch up, dungeon dailies activity finder bonus, and other exp reductions....
I think you have it backwards.

The new players are getting a deal while existing players who have a few maxed or high VRs are getting screwed.

This. I just dinged V16 on my fifth char. Add another V11. There are players that have 8 V16s. How again is the definition of fair, OP? "It is fair as long as I win"?

SMH and still laughing my arse off. Some people are too cute.

Oh, and while I grinded some of them up, all but two have finished cadwells gold.