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The cookie cutter: Dark Brotherhood sorc builds
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Minalan✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭I honestly don't care that much about the nerf to shields. Seriously has noone thought about the fact that the shield is rarely up for more than six seconds anyway? And that's with my 42k magicka and 100 bastion. Nerf all you like;I'll still kill.
Not to be a jerk: but Try VMA with a six second shield. Please.
Report back here and tell us how 'awesome' that four second shield stack is.
VMA weapons are still amazing, I suppose we all need Templar alts to earn them.
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Shaloran✭✭I honestly don't care that much about the nerf to shields. Seriously has noone thought about the fact that the shield is rarely up for more than six seconds anyway? And that's with my 42k magicka and 100 bastion. Nerf all you like;I'll still kill.
Not to be a jerk: but Try VMA with a six second shield. Please.
Report back here and tell us how 'awesome' that four second shield stack is.
VMA weapons are still amazing, I suppose we all need Templar alts to earn them.
I compete in Maelstrom ArenaI honestly don't care that much about the nerf to shields. Seriously has noone thought about the fact that the shield is rarely up for more than six seconds anyway? And that's with my 42k magicka and 100 bastion. Nerf all you like;I'll still kill.
Not to be a jerk: but Try VMA with a six second shield. Please.
Report back here and tell us how 'awesome' that four second shield stack is.
VMA weapons are still amazing, I suppose we all need Templar alts to earn them.
Well first of all, this topic was on PVP effectiveness, but now that you mention it I play in the Maelstrom Arena often and my shield rarely lasts more than that due to the great deal of damage.0 -
ToRelax✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭I honestly don't care that much about the nerf to shields. Seriously has noone thought about the fact that the shield is rarely up for more than six seconds anyway? And that's with my 42k magicka and 100 bastion. Nerf all you like;I'll still kill.
I agree. I think 6 seconds is a bit too short, but with the other morph increasing that it's okay (and I'll stick to Hardened anyway).DAGON - ALTADOON - CHIM - GHARTOK
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Elo'dryel - Sorc - AR 50 - Hopesfire - EP EU0 -
NBrookus✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Gear: 5 piece Kags with Torugs and Kena shoulders
5 X impen, 2 infused on the large pieces.
5/1/1 light/med/heavy
This is my preferred gear set already on Live (with Willpower + 3 spell damage), except I run all divines with Thief. I swap to Vicious Death/Kena/3 Kags/2 Torugs when the zerg is strong and balling up. (Which seems like always lately.) The extra 2k health really does help.
Destro (nirn prismatic) / Resto (nirn poison)
Bar 1: Frags, crushing shock, curse, hardened ward, mage's wrath, ice comet
Bar 2: Streak, radiant magelight, proxy det, healing ward, boundless storm, ice comet <--- running around bar
(I don't overload for physical reasons; it certainly does gimp me as a sorc.)
I run immov pots, spell crit and invisibility pots; blue food.
Unbuffed except food, it's 40k magicka+, 24.5k health; 10k stam; <1100 regen, 2600 spell damage and 55% crit. Not exactly big numbers compared to many other builds, but survivability is good and I don't have regen issues. I do small group; I am terrible 1v1.
I am looking forward to getting a fresh character copy tomorrow, especially to see the enchants and how strong they are. I am thinking:
Destro (sharpened) / Resto (sharpened)
Bar 1: Frags, crushing shock, curse, harness magicka, mage's wrath, ice comet
Bar 2: Streak, radiant magelight, defensive rune, healing ward, boundless storm, negate
Upping my regen to 1500+ for poison defense. Probably keep prismatic glyph on my destro since everyone will be running vamp for a while. Get rid of Thamuturge points, cap out Elemental Expert and more in Elfborn; probably keep 51 points in Staff Expert. Less into Bastion and cap out Hardy. TBS maybe instead of Kags so I can run Thief/Atronach or Thief/Apprentice.
Or bust out the Lich set and pair it up with Juliano's and 100 CP in Spell Pen and use ravage stamina/health poisons and more CC instead of relying on my teammates for CC.Edited by NBrookus on May 22, 2016 7:44PM1 -
Waffennacht✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭My PvE build will not be effected, the, build in my sig, hits ward every 5 secs to trigger Trinimac's Valor for (when crits) an almost 6k Aoe dmg and heal. It solos vet dungeons. This effects PvP more for me.
And thus my PvP build
(You could go full Impen, switch one spell dmg glyph to a regen and be practically the same)
This is practically fully buffed, it's resto/DW so you can get the crit buff from the dark magic passive not shown here, you can also use a magicka potion to gain the 20% regen bonus (in this pic I took a health pot to activate Alchemist)
The gear is: x5 Julianos x3 willpower x4 Alchemist on DW bar, then x5 Alchemist x3 Julianos x3 willpower on resto bar.
The main unique part of the build is the skills:
Resto Bar: Innerlight, Streak, Blessing of Restoration, Hardened Ward, Crystal Frag and Overload
DW Bar: Innerlight, Mage's Wrath, Velacious Curse, Hardened Ward, Crystal Frag, and Overload
Overload Bar: Innerlight, Streak, Efficient Purge, Hardened Ward, Power Surge
The build plays a lot like a DK, using Alchemist for insane burst (and also heals if in danger) I use resto heavy attack, streak for dmg and disruption, blessing in case a gank or burst build, to trigger the Frags.
Frags becomes a vital peice, playing it on both bars allows it to become the "spammable" dps move. Wrath plays a part in bursting along with proccin frags.
Using Immovable detection pots are wonderful, they allow you to burst uninterrupted and keep an enemy within sight, and alternatively they can be used to get uninterrupted heals.
The build's blessing of restoration heals at minimum 4k, and can max at 7k in PvP, (that's a massive heal, and it's never at minimum)
Resto heavy attack returns a lot of magicka, and even though you don't necessarily need it a lot of time, in the longer battles can make sure you never go OOM.
The build keeps up a lot of pressure, even when Alchemist isn't up, the build sports massive spell dmg.
Overload on both bars for insta access to efficient purge (for poisons especially) and power surge.
This is without undaunted mettle, on purp food, I need to gold and kuta a few peices still, also need a perfect willpower ring.
It will eventually be around 38k magicka 25k health 16k stam with essentially the same stats.
I may put Dampen magicka on one of the bars for a little stacking after DB
Edit: non-buffed CyrodiilEdited by Waffennacht on May 22, 2016 9:20PM0 -
Minalan✭✭✭✭✭
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^^^It hurts to see you without undaunted bonus!! It took me a month of chasing pledges to get that.
I'm really torn on the dual wield thing, mages wrath just doesn't do the damage of a good force pulse. Force pulse does almost three times the damage, it doesn't have that delay built in, force pulse usually kills someone within 20% anyways, and it has the elemental effect thing.
Your build is also missing mines, and boundless storm. The former is a must for infinite dodge rolling wrecking blow spammers, and the latter because our physical resist is a horror show without it. I'm going to try dual barring frags for the buff proc. The only change I'm making to your skill build, is getting undaunted and replacing inner light with more useful skills.0 -
Waffennacht✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭@Minalan thanks for the feedback. Yeah I want that mettle so badly! Rock what you want, best thing about the build is it's really flexable. You can even change up two glyps to regen and have 2k regen, 4.1k spell dmg, and whatever your magicka is (it's untouched) and run destro etc...
I personally don't run Mines because I streak so much offensively and defensively the mines are outta place and easily avoided (which is true of any AoE for me)
Boundless can go onto O bar for me, but in tough combat I honestly usually focus on power surge and forget to refresh boundless, and with some opponents streak + Overload LA = gg
But of course that's personal preference.
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NBrookus✭✭✭✭✭
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Ha, I read that as you being unbuffed and was trying to figure out how you could possibly get there. Altmer magicka master race didn't quite to account for it. That frag is going to hit hard. Poor mammoth.
The way I was chugging pots tonight in some extra long fights, maybe Alchemist + Lich + Willpower would be a good post-DB build. Rely on Lich for sustain, then Alchemist for burst. I'm not a fan of DW, but I do it in PvE. Hate to lose my ranged interrupt with Crushing Shock, tho... it's really needed with the jesus besm spammers everywhere.0 -
Minalan✭✭✭✭✭
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Ha, I read that as you being unbuffed and was trying to figure out how you could possibly get there. Altmer magicka master race didn't quite to account for it. That frag is going to hit hard. Poor mammoth.
The way I was chugging pots tonight in some extra long fights, maybe Alchemist + Lich + Willpower would be a good post-DB build. Rely on Lich for sustain, then Alchemist for burst. I'm not a fan of DW, but I do it in PvE. Hate to lose my ranged interrupt with Crushing Shock, tho... it's really needed with the jesus besm spammers everywhere.
You're right there. Crushing shock does slightly less damage, but the interrupt is useful almost anywhere.0 -
Makkir✭✭✭✭✭
✭Been playing on PTS and honestly just makes the class more of a pain in the arse to play, not as much fun as I find it currently. Notice I didn't say the changes are nerfs or anything, I just said "no longer fun."1 -
Makkir✭✭✭✭✭
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Ha, I read that as you being unbuffed and was trying to figure out how you could possibly get there. Altmer magicka master race didn't quite to account for it. That frag is going to hit hard. Poor mammoth.
The way I was chugging pots tonight in some extra long fights, maybe Alchemist + Lich + Willpower would be a good post-DB build. Rely on Lich for sustain, then Alchemist for burst. I'm not a fan of DW, but I do it in PvE. Hate to lose my ranged interrupt with Crushing Shock, tho... it's really needed with the jesus besm spammers everywhere.
You're right there. Crushing shock does slightly less damage, but the interrupt is useful almost anywhere.
the difference in dmg is made up with the fact you can weave staff attacks in with it.0 -
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Ha, I read that as you being unbuffed and was trying to figure out how you could possibly get there. Altmer magicka master race didn't quite to account for it. That frag is going to hit hard. Poor mammoth.
The way I was chugging pots tonight in some extra long fights, maybe Alchemist + Lich + Willpower would be a good post-DB build. Rely on Lich for sustain, then Alchemist for burst. I'm not a fan of DW, but I do it in PvE. Hate to lose my ranged interrupt with Crushing Shock, tho... it's really needed with the jesus besm spammers everywhere.
You're right there. Crushing shock does slightly less damage, but the interrupt is useful almost anywhere.
After watching @Lord_Hev 's video this afternoon and seeing Dylora's Staff, I ran Lich/Julianos/Willpower with DW sharpened tonight and stam immov pots. I respecced my CP to get rid of magicka regen and staff expert, and maxxed out Bastion and Elemental Expert and cranked up Elfborn and Spell Pen.
I loved the virtually unlimited magicka and the stam pots were very useful. Felt squishy at 22k health. DW on my attack bar was not comfortable for me. I spent too much time waving my swords in the air and really missed being able to weave in a spammable; I ran Structured Entropy instead of Force Pulse. Even so, overall damage was up and worked well in open conditions when I could maneuver. Jesus Beam spammers did get me a few times when I couldn't streak out of range or interrupt them.
With some adjustments on my part, I could see Lich being a good set to combat drain poisons and increased costs, paired with Scathing Mage, Alchemist or Julianos.
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Makkir✭✭✭✭✭
✭Lich is going to rise in price when ppl realize how powerful it's going to be. I guess it's good thing I have a couple lich staves in the bank.0 -
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Yeah about that.
I accidentally dropped 30k on Lich gloves last week and didn't realize they were VR8 or something. My fault for not checking.1 -
Waffennacht✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭The_Great_Maldini wrote: »What traits does the Lich set come in? You guys look for impen pieces?
The two I have are infused and divines.0 -
Add a Molag Kena buff to that spell power above and it's going to be insane.0 -
Makkir✭✭✭✭✭
✭The_Great_Maldini wrote: »What traits does the Lich set come in? You guys look for impen pieces?
There's aren't any and the resto staff is charged. You will have to craft the remaining armor pieces with impen.Edited by Makkir on May 25, 2016 11:48PM0 -
NBrookus✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭The_Great_Maldini wrote: »What traits does the Lich set come in? You guys look for impen pieces?
The Lich set only comes in 5 pieces with fixed traits a mix of divines and impen, including both the head and shoulder, so no monster 1 or 2 piece possible. (Also has robe, bracers and resto staff.).
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The_Great_Maldini wrote: »What traits does the Lich set come in? You guys look for impen pieces?
The Lich set only comes in 5 pieces with fixed traits a mix of divines and impen, including both the head and shoulder, so no monster 1 or 2 piece possible. (Also has robe, bracers and resto staff.).
Is it worth the trade off? How often do you actually run completely out of magika? In XvX fights, I just use my resto staff to replenish.0 -
DHale✭✭✭✭✭
✭After derping around on pts for a number of hours. i totally got my focus on I will be taking my high elf sorc. Moving all the armor from my sorcerer and placing it on my high elf Templar. Whew build complete. I would like you all to meet my new bank alt. Well you won't see her but I think we all know she will be with us in spirit. In other news I can time stampede and heavy attack into dizzying swing to 6 the seconds mark and by the time I execute shields will be down and it's back to the transitus, forward camp, or way shrine for you. I am calling it now. Sorc population will drop dramatically. It will soon be rarer than a magic dk was before.Sorcerna, proud beta sorc. RIP April 2014 to May 31 2016 DArk Brotherhood. Out of retirement for negates and encases. Sorcerna will be going back into retirement to be my main crafter Fall 2018. Because an 8 k shield is f ing useless. Died because of baddies on the forum. Too much qq too little pew pew. 16 AD 2 DC. 0 EP cause they bad, CP 2300 plus 18 level 50 toons. NA, PC, Grey Host#SORCLIVESMATTER actually they don’t or they wouldn’t keep getting nerfed constantly.1 -
Waffennacht✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Sorcs should or will main bar wards. The only thing still should be the weakness is the CCs. I do hate 3 shield backbar sorcs...Edited by Waffennacht on May 26, 2016 3:39PM0 -
Minalan✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭After derping around on pts for a number of hours. i totally got my focus on I will be taking my high elf sorc. Moving all the armor from my sorcerer and placing it on my high elf Templar. Whew build complete. I would like you all to meet my new bank alt. Well you won't see her but I think we all know she will be with us in spirit. In other news I can time stampede and heavy attack into dizzying swing to 6 the seconds mark and by the time I execute shields will be down and it's back to the transitus, forward camp, or way shrine for you. I am calling it now. Sorc population will drop dramatically. It will soon be rarer than a magic dk was before.
Pretty much this. The empowered ward isn't working in PVP even at ten seconds, since it's only 7-8K. You'd have to stack nullify Magicka on top of that to get an 18K shield.
Alternately you can take six second hardened ward, lightning form, and stack 4-5 impen. In the latter case you have the armor and crit immunity to survive a heavy attack, stampede, dizzy and shield back up.0 -
Waffennacht✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I have never stacked, hit ward all the time, sorcs will be fine, unless ur fotm and only followed someone else's build.0 -
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✭✭✭✭The_Great_Maldini wrote: »The_Great_Maldini wrote: »What traits does the Lich set come in? You guys look for impen pieces?
The Lich set only comes in 5 pieces with fixed traits a mix of divines and impen, including both the head and shoulder, so no monster 1 or 2 piece possible. (Also has robe, bracers and resto staff.).
Is it worth the trade off? How often do you actually run completely out of magika? In XvX fights, I just use my resto staff to replenish.
I wasn't running out of magicka often, except in long fights... but there are plenty of those on Haderus. And I was doing a lot of heavy channeled attacks and using pots for magicka replenishing instead of having them for strategic needs. Channeled staff attacks are awesome against dodge rollers and when it's too laggy to see what you are aiming at, but don't do the same damage.
What the Lich set allowed me to do was pull all my CP out of magicka regen and funnel them elsewhere, and run immov pots with health & stam to help with the CC-the-sorc strategy. I suspect everyone will be running drain stam and/or ravage health poisons by this time next week. Sorcs, I think, are going to need more stam AND magicka for purges and cost increases.
Granted I've only run for two nights with this setup; I'm still playing with it. And I make no claims to being some kind of über sorc; I'm just sharing what I'm thinking might work for me and I hope others do the same.
The DW bar is far more controversial for me and my playstyle; I'm going to run resto/destro tonight at the loss of my 5th Julianos set perk and the DW... something like -650 spell damage. Ouch. Crushing Shock might be that important to me. Between Jesus Beam and flappy winged DKs, the loss really hurts.Waffennacht wrote: »Sorcs should or will main bar wards. The only thing still should be the weakness is the CCs. I do hate 3 shield backbar sorcs...
I front bar my Hardened Ward, but I really wish I had one more slot on it for Entropy.0 -
ToRelax✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭The_Great_Maldini wrote: »The_Great_Maldini wrote: »What traits does the Lich set come in? You guys look for impen pieces?
The Lich set only comes in 5 pieces with fixed traits a mix of divines and impen, including both the head and shoulder, so no monster 1 or 2 piece possible. (Also has robe, bracers and resto staff.).
Is it worth the trade off? How often do you actually run completely out of magika? In XvX fights, I just use my resto staff to replenish.
I wasn't running out of magicka often, except in long fights... but there are plenty of those on Haderus. And I was doing a lot of heavy channeled attacks and using pots for magicka replenishing instead of having them for strategic needs. Channeled staff attacks are awesome against dodge rollers and when it's too laggy to see what you are aiming at, but don't do the same damage.
What the Lich set allowed me to do was pull all my CP out of magicka regen and funnel them elsewhere, and run immov pots with health & stam to help with the CC-the-sorc strategy. I suspect everyone will be running drain stam and/or ravage health poisons by this time next week. Sorcs, I think, are going to need more stam AND magicka for purges and cost increases.
Granted I've only run for two nights with this setup; I'm still playing with it. And I make no claims to being some kind of über sorc; I'm just sharing what I'm thinking might work for me and I hope others do the same.
The DW bar is far more controversial for me and my playstyle; I'm going to run resto/destro tonight at the loss of my 5th Julianos set perk and the DW... something like -650 spell damage. Ouch. Crushing Shock might be that important to me. Between Jesus Beam and flappy winged DKs, the loss really hurts.Waffennacht wrote: »Sorcs should or will main bar wards. The only thing still should be the weakness is the CCs. I do hate 3 shield backbar sorcs...
I front bar my Hardened Ward, but I really wish I had one more slot on it for Entropy.
To me, using Lich over Willow's and pulling CP out of magicka into stamina regen sounds like a terrible tradeoff - you get less out of your CP, suboptimal traits and can't use monster set pieces. So I'd think if Lich is to be worth it, CP have to be used to making it more effective, not less.Edited by ToRelax on May 26, 2016 5:01PMDAGON - ALTADOON - CHIM - GHARTOK
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Elo'dryel - Sorc - AR 50 - Hopesfire - EP EU1 -
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✭✭✭✭To me, using Lich over Willow's and pulling CP out of magicka into stamina regen sounds like a terrible tradeoff - you get less out of your CP, suboptimal traits and can't use monster set pieces. So I'd think if Lich is to be worth it, CP have to be used to making it more effective, not less.
That's a fair point about Lich versus Willow's Path.
I pulled the CP out of Magicka Regen, because I didn't need any in magicka regen with the Lich set. More of a side effect than in the original plan.0
