The CXP given at DB release is unfair

Hookgrin · May 2016

So many posts - so little time.

Did anybody mention this to the OP?:

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

[*]You will receive 10 Champion Points as soon as you hit level 50 if your account doesn’t have any Champion Points already.

[*]We will be awarding a one-time bonus of 2.5 Champion Points per Veteran Rank gained on your highest level character when you first log in when Dark Brotherhood is released!
Each Veteran Rank will grant 2.5 Champion Points, up to a maximum of 40 points at VR16.

So either way, you OP are getting some free CP too.

Me? I expect to be at 491 by the end of the weekend, so I will only be able to use 10 of my 40 CP.

Since more of your time has been played during the catch up mechanic than my time, seems like you are getting a better deal than I am as you will eventually reach the same cap that I am at in far less time than it took me to get here. Then we will both be stuck in the same capped boat. With the same number of CPs allocated.

Valrien · May 2016

Hookgrin wrote: »

So many posts - so little time.

Did anybody mention this to the OP?:

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

[*]You will receive 10 Champion Points as soon as you hit level 50 if your account doesn’t have any Champion Points already.

[*]We will be awarding a one-time bonus of 2.5 Champion Points per Veteran Rank gained on your highest level character when you first log in when Dark Brotherhood is released!
Each Veteran Rank will grant 2.5 Champion Points, up to a maximum of 40 points at VR16.

So either way, you OP are getting some free CP too.

Me? I expect to be at 491 by the end of the weekend, so I will only be able to use 10 of my 40 CP.

Since more of your time has been played during the catch up mechanic than my time, seems like you are getting a better deal than I am as you will eventually reach the same cap that I am at in far less time than it took me to get here. Then we will both be stuck in the same capped boat. With the same number of CPs allocated.

LOL, what's funny is that's almost exactly where I'm going to be as well. I'm currently at 489 almost 490

GivvumBoane · May 2016

Hookgrin wrote: »

So many posts - so little time.

Did anybody mention this to the OP?:

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

[*]You will receive 10 Champion Points as soon as you hit level 50 if your account doesn’t have any Champion Points already.

[*]We will be awarding a one-time bonus of 2.5 Champion Points per Veteran Rank gained on your highest level character when you first log in when Dark Brotherhood is released!
Each Veteran Rank will grant 2.5 Champion Points, up to a maximum of 40 points at VR16.

So either way, you OP are getting some free CP too.

Me? I expect to be at 491 by the end of the weekend, so I will only be able to use 10 of my 40 CP.

Since more of your time has been played during the catch up mechanic than my time, seems like you are getting a better deal than I am as you will eventually reach the same cap that I am at in far less time than it took me to get here. Then we will both be stuck in the same capped boat. With the same number of CPs allocated.

OP has around 240 CP
Edit: Correction. He stated, he got 270 Cp in a month

Refuse2GrowUp · May 2016

zFib wrote: »

Vangy wrote: »

Refuse2GrowUp wrote: »

Vangy wrote: »

Ive got 8 toons that are v16 pre-exp requirement nerf...

Wah wah all new players just need to worry about CP 160 with removal of vet ranks and thyre also getting CP exp curve boost? Where is my justice? wah wah!!

Ive got 600+ CP but Im capped at 501 cos of reasons. Wah wah? Where is my justice?

I need well over 600k exp per CP I cannot spend? wah wah? where is my justice?

In short. Wah WAH wWAHAHWHAWHHWHAWAH!

Sooooooooo, what are you trying to say?

Basically im trying to say my right to WAH WAH is far greater than OP's right to WAH WAH. So therefore, my WAH WAH>>his WAH WAH. Hence, me getting 40 CP and him getting 40CP can be justified and his WAH WAH should not be able to hold a candle to my WAH WAH. You get my WAH WAH?

no. just no. the whole point of ZOS implementing the catch up mechanic was so that it wasnt impossible for newer players to catch up to the older players. the old cp sysstem was a HUGE problem and that why the fixed it. ZOS is taking a big step back by giving the players who already have an advantage more of an advantage by giving them say 30 million CXP and giving others say 10 million. all your whining about being capped and needing 600k xp per cp and u whining about the change from 400k xp per cp to the new system is all irrelevant because ZOS changed ALL of that for a reason.

Wow the nerd rage is strong.

Look, I get that you have an opinion, and that you are passionate about that opinion. But you might want to be a bit more tactful in how you present your side of the discussion. I haven't even read the last couple pages of updated posts, and I can already tell you are pushing this into an argument vice discussion.

I could care less whether or not ZOS gives me any XP at all. I am wayyyyy past cap, and I am a console player. However, do keep things in context. You are being given CPs for a lot less effort than many who earned them before you. So, ZOS can view this one of two ways:

1) Your argument is correct and ZOS sides with you and everyone will get a flat amount of XP, regardless of how many CPs they currently have.

-or-

2) Players have the amount of CPs they earned...be it from earning them pre catch-up, from earning quite a bit since the catch-up, or simply they are new and haven't earned that many. So, ZOS may decide to stick with their current plan and award XP based upon effort; i.e. the number of CPs an individual already has.

Either way, there is reason for both sides of the fence, so let ZOS will do as they please. Personally I could care less what they plan to do. This is a non-issue, move on. There are much bigger issues in this game that warrant the devs attention.

Valrien · May 2016

Refuse2GrowUp wrote: »

zFib wrote: »

Vangy wrote: »

Refuse2GrowUp wrote: »

Vangy wrote: »

Ive got 8 toons that are v16 pre-exp requirement nerf...

Wah wah all new players just need to worry about CP 160 with removal of vet ranks and thyre also getting CP exp curve boost? Where is my justice? wah wah!!

Ive got 600+ CP but Im capped at 501 cos of reasons. Wah wah? Where is my justice?

I need well over 600k exp per CP I cannot spend? wah wah? where is my justice?

In short. Wah WAH wWAHAHWHAWHHWHAWAH!

Sooooooooo, what are you trying to say?

Basically im trying to say my right to WAH WAH is far greater than OP's right to WAH WAH. So therefore, my WAH WAH>>his WAH WAH. Hence, me getting 40 CP and him getting 40CP can be justified and his WAH WAH should not be able to hold a candle to my WAH WAH. You get my WAH WAH?

no. just no. the whole point of ZOS implementing the catch up mechanic was so that it wasnt impossible for newer players to catch up to the older players. the old cp sysstem was a HUGE problem and that why the fixed it. ZOS is taking a big step back by giving the players who already have an advantage more of an advantage by giving them say 30 million CXP and giving others say 10 million. all your whining about being capped and needing 600k xp per cp and u whining about the change from 400k xp per cp to the new system is all irrelevant because ZOS changed ALL of that for a reason.

Wow the nerd rage is strong.

Look, I get that you have an opinion, and that you are passionate about that opinion. But you might want to be a bit more tactful in how you present your side of the discussion. I haven't even read the last couple pages of updated posts, and I can already tell you are pushing this into an argument vice discussion.

I could care less whether or not ZOS gives me any XP at all. I am wayyyyy past cap, and I am a console player. However, do keep things in context. You are being given CPs for a lot less effort than many who earned them before you. So, ZOS can view this one of two ways:

1) Your argument is correct and ZOS sides with you and everyone will get a flat amount of XP, regardless of how many CPs they currently have.

-or-

2) Players have the amount of CPs they earned...be it from earning them pre catch-up, from earning quite a bit since the catch-up, or simply they are new and haven't earned that many. So, ZOS may decide to stick with their current plan and award XP based upon effort; i.e. the number of CPs an individual already has.

Either way, there is reason for both sides of the fence, so let ZOS will do as they please. Personally I could care less what they plan to do. This is a non-issue, move on. There are much bigger issues in this game that warrant the devs attention.

I guess you could say he...

Refuses 2 Grow Up

Essiaga · May 2016

zFib wrote: »

Hello everyone i wanted to make this post about how 40 cp are being given to everyone with a vet 16 at DB release. How is this fair for the people with lower cp ?? Lets say someone is at around 100 cp. at this point it costs ~ 100k xp per CP , so ZOSE is giving those people around 4 million xp when DB releases. Keep in mind those people are already at a disadvantage because they have 400 cp less than people at the cap.

Now lets consider someone with say 500cp (way ahead of everyone and has a massive advantage over someone with say 100cp). 1 cp for them costs around 650,000 xp. So on DB , ZOSE is giving the players with 500+ cp, 26 million + champion xp . These people who are already at a much higher of an advantage in pvp are now getting even more of an advantage in terms of the cp theyre getting. When i get to 500 cp and the cap is raised, it will take me SOOOO much longer to get those 40 cp because it will take 26 million xp to get it, when the people who were already there at DB were just given the 26 million xp. Im stuck with my mediocre 4 million champion xp. How is this fair and how on earth do you expect me and hundreds of others to catch up to those with very high cp? @ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_JessicaFolsom @ZOS_KaiSchober

I'm not 100% on this but I think ...

They are giving the 40 cp to help those currently in the Caldwells gold zones be able to remain in the Coldwell's golds zones. Silver is going to be cp 10-150 and Gold is going to be 160+. So if your a v6 just starting gold you'll get a boost to help you be equal level with your story line progress. On the other hand they don't want to level you out of the Silver content your doing now. There were better ways to do it. ZOS usually doesn't find it.

It's much easier to get CP now then ever before. I've got (3) v16 and v13 and I'm only 420 cp (140 each tree). How? 160x3 =480 plus another 130cp and I should be around 610, but definitely over the cap of 501.

I think they should be giving me more then 40 cp. I'm down like 190 cp based on my levels. I also have another at V1 for Christmas sake. I'm sure i'm not alone.

Don't worry youngster. You'll be complaining about how easily those who come after you have it someday too.

Hookgrin · May 2016

GivvumBoane wrote: »

OP has around 240 CP

Wait.. Wuh?

So he's going to get...

Oh nvm.

Essiaga wrote: »

Don't worry youngster. You'll be complaining about how easily those who come after you have it someday too.

Yup.

Refuse2GrowUp wrote: »

This is a non-issue, move on. There are much bigger issues in this game that warrant the devs attention.

Can I get an amen?

GivvumBoane · May 2016

Hookgrin wrote: »

GivvumBoane wrote: »

OP has around 240 CP

Wait.. Wuh?

So he's going to get...

Oh nvm.

Essiaga wrote: »

Don't worry youngster. You'll be complaining about how easily those who come after you have it someday too.

Yup.

Refuse2GrowUp wrote: »

This is a non-issue, move on. There are much bigger issues in this game that warrant the devs attention.

Can I get an amen?

Apologies, I stated his CP incorrectly. His earlier post stated he got 270 CP in a month.

SeptimusDova · May 2016

I logged in hoping to see a fuzzy kitteh standing on a huge stash of CP. No Kitteh and No CP. We get what we get and they don't have to give us anything.
It is far easier to acquire CP at low CP levels than it s max. That's the catch up mechanic. If everyone was to receive the same cp in this case 40 then remove the catchup mechanic. Make it 16 million XP per CP.

If it was me that is what I would do. Hardcore catchup would apply then. IE stay logged on longer and grind more than the other person

Xjcon · May 2016

@zFib stop making yourself like a stomping feet child....

Example. You at 155 CP get CP at somewhere in the 200k range per. While someone with 1000+ ( which is the range you seem to be talking about with your 40mil figure) had to farm their CP prior to ZoS changing the system to allow players to catch up. They farmed at 400k xp per CP up to that point. Your getting CP at a much faster rate because those CP now cost much less then they used to. Once Zos raises the cap the xp curve will change continuing to allow you to gain CP much cheaper then the person with over 1k CP.

This concludes that the only person in this thread who seems to think himself entitled is yourself.

Have a good day sir

flawless4812 · May 2016

Posts like this are why the game is so broken..... complaints after complaints about non sense.....

We all grinded characters just to see a cake come nd people hit max level in two days when it took majority of the people multi tooned forever.

I was proud to hit the champ cap and bam a catchup system was put in place

I grinded ever single monster helmet I own nd bam they r being sold so do not try and tell those who grinded, what is fair when day one players have been constantly spit in the face by this game.... you would think day one players matter then casual players since they come nd go but I guess that makes too much sense

Lylith · May 2016

The CXP given at DB release is unfair

agreed.

players should be awarded 40 c/p for each v16 character they have.

jmho.

zFib · May 2016

Vangy wrote: »

zFib wrote: »

Vangy wrote: »

Refuse2GrowUp wrote: »

Vangy wrote: »

Ive got 8 toons that are v16 pre-exp requirement nerf...

Wah wah all new players just need to worry about CP 160 with removal of vet ranks and thyre also getting CP exp curve boost? Where is my justice? wah wah!!

Ive got 600+ CP but Im capped at 501 cos of reasons. Wah wah? Where is my justice?

I need well over 600k exp per CP I cannot spend? wah wah? where is my justice?

In short. Wah WAH wWAHAHWHAWHHWHAWAH!

Sooooooooo, what are you trying to say?

Basically im trying to say my right to WAH WAH is far greater than OP's right to WAH WAH. So therefore, my WAH WAH>>his WAH WAH. Hence, me getting 40 CP and him getting 40CP can be justified and his WAH WAH should not be able to hold a candle to my WAH WAH. You get my WAH WAH?

no. just no. the whole point of ZOS implementing the catch up mechanic was so that it wasnt impossible for newer players to catch up to the older players. the old cp sysstem was a HUGE problem and that why the fixed it. ZOS is taking a big step back by giving the players who already have an advantage more of an advantage by giving them say 30 million CXP and giving others say 10 million. all your whining about being capped and needing 600k xp per cp and u whining about the change from 400k xp per cp to the new system is all irrelevant because ZOS changed ALL of that for a reason.

Here's a list of things you are getting:

1. CP cap to keep you safe from evil players like me who have 600+ CP
2. A no CP campaign for you to twirl around in to stay safe from players like me who have 600+ CP
3. A reduction curve for CP exp to help you catch up.
4. Free v16 for all your toons as long as you have 160CP.

Here's a list of things players like me are getting:

1. The shaft.

Seriously you still want to WAH WAH? *** do you want? ZOS to hand out 600 CP for you the day you start a level 1 toon? The audacity of some of you.... really....

the audcacity of you lolol where the **** are you getting me wanting zos to hand out 600 cp from lol. do you know how far off asking for a flat CXP bonus for everyone and asking for 600 cp for everyone is? youre being ignorant the two are completely different. If youre already 600cp then it shouldnt even matter to you for them to just give a flat amount of CXP so what are you WHA WHA 'ING about??

zFib · May 2016

liv3mind wrote: »

its not based on cp or exp or cxp, so none of this matters, its 2.5 per vet rank on your highest toon. the end?

what??? did you know that it costs XP to get CP and the amount of xp varies for how many cp you have??? so yea it is based on cp and xp and cxp

zFib · May 2016

Hookgrin wrote: »

So many posts - so little time.

Did anybody mention this to the OP?:

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

[*]You will receive 10 Champion Points as soon as you hit level 50 if your account doesn’t have any Champion Points already.

[*]We will be awarding a one-time bonus of 2.5 Champion Points per Veteran Rank gained on your highest level character when you first log in when Dark Brotherhood is released!
Each Veteran Rank will grant 2.5 Champion Points, up to a maximum of 40 points at VR16.

So either way, you OP are getting some free CP too.

Me? I expect to be at 491 by the end of the weekend, so I will only be able to use 10 of my 40 CP.

Since more of your time has been played during the catch up mechanic than my time, seems like you are getting a better deal than I am as you will eventually reach the same cap that I am at in far less time than it took me to get here. Then we will both be stuck in the same capped boat. With the same number of CPs allocated.

my god the ignorance of some people you must have not read anything on here. i obviously know about getting 2.5 cp per vet rank ahaha go read the thread and posts

zFib · May 2016

Xjcon wrote: »

@zFib stop making yourself like a stomping feet child....

Example. You at 155 CP get CP at somewhere in the 200k range per. While someone with 1000+ ( which is the range you seem to be talking about with your 40mil figure) had to farm their CP prior to ZoS changing the system to allow players to catch up. They farmed at 400k xp per CP up to that point. Your getting CP at a much faster rate because those CP now cost much less then they used to. Once Zos raises the cap the xp curve will change continuing to allow you to gain CP much cheaper then the person with over 1k CP.

This concludes that the only person in this thread who seems to think himself entitled is yourself.

Have a good day sir

no youre wrong. go read my post comparing someone with 160 cp and someone with 400 cp. also your point about you having to farm 400k xp per cp is irrelevant because ZOS changed that because it needed to be changed. CP was broken and there was no catching up. and im not making myself like a stomping feet child lolol im pointing something out which makes clear sense, you must be too immature to understand the difference.

zFib · May 2016

SeptimusDova wrote: »

I logged in hoping to see a fuzzy kitteh standing on a huge stash of CP. No Kitteh and No CP. We get what we get and they don't have to give us anything.
It is far easier to acquire CP at low CP levels than it s max. That's the catch up mechanic. If everyone was to receive the same cp in this case 40 then remove the catchup mechanic. Make it 16 million XP per CP.

If it was me that is what I would do. Hardcore catchup would apply then. IE stay logged on longer and grind more than the other person

lol good thing you dont run eso itd be more dead than it already is

Valrien · May 2016

zFib wrote: »

SeptimusDova wrote: »

I logged in hoping to see a fuzzy kitteh standing on a huge stash of CP. No Kitteh and No CP. We get what we get and they don't have to give us anything.
It is far easier to acquire CP at low CP levels than it s max. That's the catch up mechanic. If everyone was to receive the same cp in this case 40 then remove the catchup mechanic. Make it 16 million XP per CP.

If it was me that is what I would do. Hardcore catchup would apply then. IE stay logged on longer and grind more than the other person

lol good thing you dont run eso itd be more dead than it already is

I'd much prefer a more hardcore ESO. Goddammit casuals.

zFib · May 2016

Valrien wrote: »

zFib wrote: »

SeptimusDova wrote: »

I logged in hoping to see a fuzzy kitteh standing on a huge stash of CP. No Kitteh and No CP. We get what we get and they don't have to give us anything.
It is far easier to acquire CP at low CP levels than it s max. That's the catch up mechanic. If everyone was to receive the same cp in this case 40 then remove the catchup mechanic. Make it 16 million XP per CP.

If it was me that is what I would do. Hardcore catchup would apply then. IE stay logged on longer and grind more than the other person

lol good thing you dont run eso itd be more dead than it already is

I'd much prefer a more hardcore ESO. Goddammit casuals.

youd prefer a cyrodil with 5 people rather than the people on right now hahah

Xjcon · May 2016

@zfib it's clear your motives are to hinder players who have worked significantly harder then yourself. While I'm not sure why your behind in CP, perhaps if you would just go grind you would find yourself much closers to those who are at the CP already.

Immature is someone whining about the benefits people worked for is unfair to those who have not.

Rev Rielle · May 2016

Well you can never please everyone.

Honestly, just play the game. You'll find whilst you're doing that you get CP fairly regularly. Additionally, it's an MMO, there's almost always someone else better off, it's the very nature of the game when playing with others.

I believe this seemingly selfish 'I want what they have' mentality is a plague on MMOs and has lead to far more damage than good over the years, across many games. Be happy with what you have.

If another player having a better/more-experienced character than you results in such inhibition of your own happiness, MMOs might not be the best genre to be playing; they're certainly not for everyone.

ItsGlaive · May 2016

The only thing that confuses me about how they're implementing VR removal is that I thought it was meant to open up the post-50 world for players so that they had choices and options for gameplay - whether it's arenas, PVP, dungeons, any of the VR zones etc etc. But the way they've done it, stuff will be just as gated for those without CP as it was before - therefore they've removed the symptom, but not the problem. I really fail to see what the point of this exercise is if they're not actually addressing the core problem.

ADarklore · May 2016

Xabien wrote: »

The only thing that confuses me about how they're implementing VR removal is that I thought it was meant to open up the post-50 world for players so that they had choices and options for gameplay - whether it's arenas, PVP, dungeons, any of the VR zones etc etc. But the way they've done it, stuff will be just as gated for those without CP as it was before - therefore they've removed the symptom, but not the problem. I really fail to see what the point of this exercise is if they're not actually addressing the core problem.

ZOS stated that they're removing VR because right now there are TWO leveling systems at work... VR and CP... and having two systems made the game more difficult to manage. Also, by going solely CP, they make the game much more alt friendly, so players don't have to VR level every one of their characters.

KingYogi415 · May 2016

My point was you are trolling! You saying the same points over and over again; than asking to be handed something you did not earn.
CP is not meant to be grinded.
You get a free CP every day for logging in for 20 mins.
The problem with these kind of posts is eventually ZOS will cater to the carebear audience to the point where the heart and soul of the game is ripped out, and we are left with nothing but fleeting complaining casuals.

WildWilbur · May 2016

Can you people PLEASE stop to posting and giving that troll-OP any more attention? He obviously don't want to discuss anything but 'state his opinion'. He doesn't care what you think because he thinks he's right anyway. Doesn't matter that nobody shares his opinion.

It's really annoying to read this &%$!-thread anytime I go to this forum and press 'RECENT'. And yes, I'm aware of the irony of posting in this thread putting it on the top again. Hopefully for the last time...

on-topic: Dear OP, yes the 40 CP stuff is fair. Bye.

Jultzy · May 2016

Considering 501cp is the cap and everything above that does nothing at the moment I can't really see the problem with some people getting 40 extra hard to earn cp. When the time arrives and ZoS increases the cap those 40 cp they just got will prolly be super easy to gain anyway and if not, they've earned it for staying and playing the game for so long.

Wollust · May 2016

OP, you got buried with counter arguments. You have not stated anything remotely intelligent or meaningful for the whole duration of this thread. I'd suggest to just stop at this point.

Bluepitbull13 · May 2016

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WhoThenNow7 · May 2016

I just hit vet 16 for the first time... Sheesh, I feel for you guys who had to get 14 million xp just for 3 levels. Vet 16's deserve the reward; get over it, dude.

FatKidHatchets · May 2016

Firstly....

Wahhhh wahhhh its unfair the catch up system allows people to get their first hundred champion points in a matter of a couple million xp. I had to spend 40,000,000 for those.

Lets talk about when they raise cap, I currently am over cap, and before the update that lowered after cap cxp cost by 33% I earned 100 or so cp through casual play at over 2 million cxp per point. However when cap is raised those that aren't at cap will get those points for 1/6th the cost.

Lets not even mention that the 40 cp I get is useless to me.

And you talk about fair lol you are adorable.

Lets just remove cap and go back to the old system, 400k per point. I am ready to have a way to progress again