zFib wrote: »

Defilted wrote: »

I think the catch up mechanics are fine. I scheduled out my grind to have 461 by the time DB drops and then will be maxed. MMO's are about time invested. ZOS does not have a Bernie Sanders handing out CP for good reason. Everyone including my self has had to spend time getting the vet levels and the CP. Why is it not "fair" that you do the same.

This post seems to be about two things.
1. You do not want to put in the time that the rest of these people have put in to get to 501 and you want a hand out.
2. The last few CP levels before you get to 501 are harder to get for the very reasons of posts like this.

ZOS announced this a while ago and you have had a lot of time to get there or at least to 461 before drop. You are just going to have to spend the time. MMO's will always see the people that reach end game have more success and I for one would never want to see a MMO where the new player is just as strong as the ones that have been here playing and grinding and practicing for a long period of time.

If you want new or casual players to have all the advantages of the old ones you need to play competitive games like Team fortress or Overwatch.

i think your misunderstanding what im saying. all im saying is they should give a flat amount of champion xp rather than giving a set number of CP, that way everyone is getting an equal benefit during DB release. rather than you getting 25,000,000 xp and me getting say 10,000,000. why wouldnt they just make the cp bonus given at DB equal for u and me?

I do not think I am misunderstanding you. I understand you want the reward to come in the form of XP then translated to CP. This would benefit the lower level CP accounts more than the higher level CP accounts.

What I do not understand is why you think that someone who has spent less time in the game should be rewarded more than someone who has spent more time in the game. This is the part that makes no sense to me. You want this to be another form of catch up mechanic. There does not need to be another one.

Rewarding everyone a flat 40 regardless of the XP value is the best way to do this. This way all accounts are treated completely equal. XP value reward would again reward the lower CP accounts more than the higher ones and then this would make it so that the reward is not equal. I can say this another way. Basing the reward off of a XP value treats the older and more dedicated players worse. Why would ZOS want to do this?

The reason is so you can wear the same level gear. Id say thats fair.

GivvumBoane wrote: »

OP just wants a champion XP value instead of flat points. Meaning people with lower CP would get more CP than people with say 300+ CP. And since enlightenment decreases the required XP to gain a CP, someone with max enlightenment could capitalize on a bonus XP value. Probably why everyone will get points instead of XP value.

^THIS! ZOS has already stated in ESO Live that the extra CP are a REWARD for players investing the time to achieve VR ranks, and what the OP suggests would be completely the opposite of ZOS' intention; they want to reward the players who have spent the most time leveling their VR rank characters.

Furthermore, players with high CP will already receive less benefit from these 40 points anyway because it will be only 13 points PER CONSTELLATION, which with diminished returns, is not much of a benefit at all.

OP is worried that higher CP players will be made even stronger, but the fact is, the higher the CP, the less benefits they offer because of diminished returns.

Also, the OP, based on his comments, seems to want to only gain XP is via PvP battles, not grinding mobs, quests, etc. Then complains that he can't gain XP fast enough. I took a VR6 character at the start of 'cake week' to VR16 by the end of cake week just by solo grinding mobs. Clearly the OP wants something for nothing because he is unwilling to invest the time or do what is necessary to reach VR16... which is the exact reason ZOS is offering the free CP in the first place; to reward players who were willing to invest the time and effort to gain VR ranks.

If someone is really low on CP and won't do the grind that the rest of us had to do, they aren't going to catch up anyway, even with the lower requirements of the catchup mechanic. Either this game has CP and a power divide on time played grinding, or everyone gets the same stats with no progression.

People who have a lot of gold have an unfair advantage! The devs should give us low gold players a lot of gold!

Hey smart guy. All the people well over 300 CP had to grind those CP at a fixed number per CP. You get to farm them at a significantly reduced amount.

zFib wrote: »

AntMan100673 wrote: »

Don't focus on what other people are getting just look at what you're getting. I've got a v16 and about 320ish cp's and I'm delighted that I'm being given 40 cp's for free as I'll be able to use them to improve my character and it'll get me closer to the cap. I don't care that other people with more cp's than me are effectively getting more xp.

why dont you care? What the other people have is just as important as what you have if you only PVP like I do. when they increase the cap, those 40 cp given to people already at the cap are going to mean a lot. like i said, gaining 40 cp when youre at say 500 cp would be around 26 million cxp. Thats months of playing, compared to us getting 40 cp (10 million) which is like a month of playing... depending on how much you play .

@zFib ... I am just going to say this: Do a few cyro quests between PvP encounters... you will notice a very (really !) pleasant change in XP rewards.

For a max level char its about per quest ... so i guess you can catch up easily once DB is out

While we are trying to be fair, it isn't fair that some people can afford an MMO mouse and programmable gaming keypads. Everyone should have to use the exact same controls. And no add-ons, as some people won't be able to figure out how to use them or their computers are too old to run them without crashing the game. And everyone should only be able to play the same number of hours per week that the lowest player puts in.

Wolfkeks wrote: »

Well, this thread....


JK

but the point is,
yes just giving 40 CP for everyone with a V16 could be unfair, since the people under 501 are reaching the cap faster.
But giving xp can also be unfair, since I could just get 20 CP with Y XP because I'm nearer to the cap and others get 130 CP with Y XP.
Problem is, there will be no "super" fair solution.
Still hope you all enjoy the game, and we'll see how everything works out in a week

Hmm, hmm, seems Khajit - well played.

Makkir wrote: »

MMOs are just not what they used to be. Players like the OP would have never survived the early MMOs like EverQuest.

He probably wouldn't have survived this games launch, pc or xbox

dap_robertb16_ESO wrote: »

I agree with the OP. With almost 600CP myself those extra 40 mean nothing.

They should give everyone under 501 the 40CP as a catch up bonus to help get to the max level and disable all enlightenment once you reach cap as well. Since no-one will be able to use them over 501 and the next raise might not be until the end of the year, even if you casualled it once a week you'd probably make 50CP by then.

The whole CP system is an asinine grind, but since it's there they should make it easy to get to level cap within either a month of hardcore playing or 2-3 months of casual grind.

This one senses sarcasm. To rapidly uplift everyone to cap would kill the game, yes?

zFib wrote: »

all of you saying "go grind" completely have the wrong idea. U think zos meant for this game to be nothing but a grind until you hit vet 16, and 501 cp? No. And dont tell me to go play on azuras because ive tried that its dead 5/6 of the day. Im at 267 cp right now all im saying is i think they could do a better job of giving everyone CP at DB release. Maybe just make it a flat value of champion xp so the amount of cp you would gain would depend on your current cp

cp is very important, but 267 is plenty to be in the game. just do the dailies for another month or two before pvp that day.

one time i forgot to put my jewelry on when changing a build back and didnt even notice for a few hours because i was kicking so much ass and had numbers turned off at the time. and having 600 less spellpower + missing 5 piece is significant, but playing well is more so.

Runaan wrote: »

Please stop calling Zenimax "ZOSE", it's really irritating.

lol its a joke tell that to my boy crown

rotaugen454 wrote: »

While we are trying to be fair, it isn't fair that some people can afford an MMO mouse and programmable gaming keypads. Everyone should have to use the exact same controls. And no add-ons, as some people won't be able to figure out how to use them or their computers are too old to run them without crashing the game. And everyone should only be able to play the same number of hours per week that the lowest player puts in.

its a simple thing i was just suggesting it may have not been the best idea but it was just a suggestion lol