The CXP given at DB release is unfair

zFib · May 2016

Hello everyone i wanted to make this post about how 40 cp are being given to everyone with a vet 16 at DB release. How is this fair for the people with lower cp ?? Lets say someone is at around 100 cp. at this point it costs ~ 100k xp per CP , so ZOSE is giving those people around 4 million xp when DB releases. Keep in mind those people are already at a disadvantage because they have 400 cp less than people at the cap.

Now lets consider someone with say 500cp (way ahead of everyone and has a massive advantage over someone with say 100cp). 1 cp for them costs around 650,000 xp. So on DB , ZOSE is giving the players with 500+ cp, 26 million + champion xp . These people who are already at a much higher of an advantage in pvp are now getting even more of an advantage in terms of the cp theyre getting. When i get to 500 cp and the cap is raised, it will take me SOOOO much longer to get those 40 cp because it will take 26 million xp to get it, when the people who were already there at DB were just given the 26 million xp. Im stuck with my mediocre 4 million champion xp. How is this fair and how on earth do you expect me and hundreds of others to catch up to those with very high cp? @ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_JessicaFolsom @ZOS_KaiSchober

Woeler · May 2016

How is it fair that I can't even use them? How about that hmm?

And seriously, there is a catch up mechanic for cp and a cap. The "I can't keep up" argument died a long time ago. Then again, invested time should pay off, it is normal for people that invest more time to be better or have more cp. Or shall we start punishing people for playing?

So, stop posting, get grinding I'd say.

zFib · May 2016

I think ZOSE should give CP on dark brotherhood based on your current amount of CP. not just give 40 to everyone. Or just give a set amount of CHampion xp to everyone so people gain different amount depending on where they are on the cp spectrum

zFib · May 2016

so you think its fair that ill have to work way harder for those 40 cp when i reach the cap than you did? No thats not fair

KaleidoscopeEyz · May 2016

That's why there is a CP catch up mechanic. Get your grind on. You've had more than enough notice.

WalkingLegacy · May 2016

I think ZOS should get rid of the CP system since the catch up mechanic is a joke, it ruins any attempt at balance, and makes PvP a lackluster experience unless you're at cap.

There's a lot better ways to hook players into playing your game.

zFib · May 2016

Im not talking about the cp catch up mechanic you guys im talking about the 40 cp zose is giving everyone. Theyre doing it in a horrible unbalanced way. The catch up mechanic is fine

WalkingLegacy · May 2016

zFib wrote: »

Im not talking about the cp catch up mechanic you guys im talking about the 40 cp zose is giving everyone. Theyre doing it in a horrible unbalanced way. The catch up mechanic is fine

You only get 40cp if you're V16.

2.5 CP per veteran Rank. The system isn't balanced anyways so what's the deal?

Ourorboros · May 2016

Are you serious? What freaking difference does it make how many CP we get when we are already at 501 CP and the cap stays there? Those extra CP do NOTHING! You're whining about how long it will take to gain the CP, but the reality is gaining CP these days is incredibly easy. Players with high CP had to earn them at much higher XP rates. How about less QQ in forum and more time playing.....you'll earn a lot more CP that way.

PS...what's fair about someone who's played a fraction of game time having an equal amount of CP to players here from the game release?

zFib · May 2016

I 100% agree walking legacy . How you perform is too heavily dependent on your cp. they should either remove them or change the cp skills drastically to make it more balanced for people who are at a lower #.

Valrien · May 2016

Due to the formula they use, the exp curve changes with the cap. Honestly if you can't catch up then you just need to get your grind game on point. Those who care about competing will put in the effort required to compete. Those who aren't willing should be content that they can't compete.

wayfarerx · May 2016

zFib wrote: »

so you think its fair that ill have to work way harder for those 40 cp when i reach the cap than you did? No thats not fair

Well, those first 100 cp I earned each cost 400k xp back before the catch-up mechanic for a total of 40 million xp required vs the paltry 7.5 million it takes today. Is that fair? Better yet, who cares? It's a video game, go kill some daedra or something, you don't earn cp making forum posts.

Attackopsn · May 2016

It takes a fraction of the time to get cp up to cap, is it fair that people who were capped when the cap came out are earning cp at around 850k cp ea and cant use any of them? Im not advocating for that use but you have no idea how much more difficult and time consuming cp gain used to be.

Sausage · May 2016

MMORPGs are never fair, and besides theres tons and tons of 501 already.

zFib · May 2016

all of you saying "go grind" completely have the wrong idea. U think zos meant for this game to be nothing but a grind until you hit vet 16, and 501 cp? No. And dont tell me to go play on azuras because ive tried that its dead 5/6 of the day. Im at 267 cp right now all im saying is i think they could do a better job of giving everyone CP at DB release. Maybe just make it a flat value of champion xp so the amount of cp you would gain would depend on your current cp

Sausage · May 2016

zFib wrote: »

all of you saying "go grind" completely have the wrong idea. U think zos meant for this game to be nothing but a grind until you hit vet 16, and 501 cp? No. And dont tell me to go play on azuras because ive tried that its dead 5/6 of the day. Im at 267 cp right now all im saying is i think they could do a better job of giving everyone CP at DB release. Maybe just make it a flat value of champion xp so the amount of cp you would gain would depend on your current cp

Sorry but its grind or go elsewhere. I for example, said to Zen, sell 400% or even 600% CP-boosters via Crown Store, but they didnt warm up to it. Zen wants you to taste the pain of the grind.

Reevster · May 2016

Ya I get CPs now and dont even want them lol, I am over the Cap and will be even more over once DB goes live by another 40... Seems pointless atm, but if they ever increase the cap I will be go to go, I guess lol, who knows.

bryanhaas · May 2016

zFib wrote: »

Hello everyone i wanted to make this post about how 40 cp are being given to everyone with a vet 16 at DB release. How is this fair for the people with lower cp ?? Lets say someone is at around 100 cp. at this point it costs ~ 100k xp per CP , so ZOSE is giving those people around 4 million xp when DB releases. Keep in mind those people are already at a disadvantage because they have 400 cp less than people at the cap.

Now lets consider someone with say 500cp (way ahead of everyone and has a massive advantage over someone with say 100cp). 1 cp for them costs around 650,000 xp. So on DB , ZOSE is giving the players with 500+ cp, 26 million + champion xp . These people who are already at a much higher of an advantage in pvp are now getting even more of an advantage in terms of the cp theyre getting. When i get to 500 cp and the cap is raised, it will take me SOOOO much longer to get those 40 cp because it will take 26 million xp to get it, when the people who were already there at DB were just given the 26 million xp. Im stuck with my mediocre 4 million champion xp. How is this fair and how on earth do you expect me and hundreds of others to catch up to those with very high cp? @ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_JessicaFolsom @ZOS_KaiSchober

How is it fair that those who got max cp before the cp xp req. was nerfed and then nerfed again to be progressively scaled. Seriously quit whining, there is a non cp campaign you don't have to be at max cp but if max cp is what you want you can play the game and get your CP's much faster than the rest of us had to before all these nerfs.

zFib · May 2016

Ourorboros wrote: »

Are you serious? What freaking difference does it make how many CP we get when we are already at 501 CP and the cap stays there? Those extra CP do NOTHING! You're whining about how long it will take to gain the CP, but the reality is gaining CP these days is incredibly easy. Players with high CP had to earn them at much higher XP rates. How about less QQ in forum and more time playing.....you'll earn a lot more CP that way.

PS...what's fair about someone who's played a fraction of game time having an equal amount of CP to players here from the game release?

They are increasing the cap by 50 for all the dlc releases after DB. so the 40 cp that are given to you are gonna be HUGE. Do you know how big of a difference it is for me getting only around 10 million CXP (40 cp) when you get probably 26 million CXP (40cp) that amount of difference in xp (16 million) is more than grinding a character to vet 16. THIS is why i think they should give everyone a flat value of CXP rather than just giving 40 CXP. Because theyre giving more to the players who already have MORE of an advantage. explain how thats fair??

AntMan100673 · May 2016

Don't focus on what other people are getting just look at what you're getting. I've got a v16 and about 320ish cp's and I'm delighted that I'm being given 40 cp's for free as I'll be able to use them to improve my character and it'll get me closer to the cap. I don't care that other people with more cp's than me are effectively getting more xp.

WldKarde · May 2016

For those with at least 1 VR16 at DB release, ZOS will be giving you 40 cp's (or 2.5 cp per VR level) as a nice little compensation for VR's going away.

What most people seem to have forgotten is that when the champion system went live, players at max level were given 70 cp.

So for over 2 years of enjoying ESO, my "reward" is actually 110 cp's.

When DB launches, I'll collect my 40 cp's (that I won't be able to spend) and get right back to doing what I always do...playing the game and having fun.

zFib · May 2016

AntMan100673 wrote: »

Don't focus on what other people are getting just look at what you're getting. I've got a v16 and about 320ish cp's and I'm delighted that I'm being given 40 cp's for free as I'll be able to use them to improve my character and it'll get me closer to the cap. I don't care that other people with more cp's than me are effectively getting more xp.

why dont you care? What the other people have is just as important as what you have if you only PVP like I do. when they increase the cap, those 40 cp given to people already at the cap are going to mean a lot. like i said, gaining 40 cp when youre at say 500 cp would be around 26 million cxp. Thats months of playing, compared to us getting 40 cp (10 million) which is like a month of playing... depending on how much you play .

zFib · May 2016

Sausage wrote: »

zFib wrote: »

all of you saying "go grind" completely have the wrong idea. U think zos meant for this game to be nothing but a grind until you hit vet 16, and 501 cp? No. And dont tell me to go play on azuras because ive tried that its dead 5/6 of the day. Im at 267 cp right now all im saying is i think they could do a better job of giving everyone CP at DB release. Maybe just make it a flat value of champion xp so the amount of cp you would gain would depend on your current cp

Sorry but its grind or go elsewhere. I for example, said to Zen, sell 400% or even 600% CP-boosters via Crown Store, but they didnt warm up to it. Zen wants you to taste the pain of the grind.

if Zen wanted the pain of the grind why would they be removing vet ranks next patch?

Rex-Umbra · May 2016

World is not always "fair".

zFib · May 2016

Rex-Umbra wrote: »

World is not always "fair".

i totally agree, but as a game company, they have the option to make it fair. Are you saying its ok for a NB to have say 90k stamina when no other classes can? no thats not fair, so the developers make it so that doesnt happen. Games are supposed to be as fair as possible

lolo_01b16_ESO · May 2016

zFib wrote: »

AntMan100673 wrote: »

Don't focus on what other people are getting just look at what you're getting. I've got a v16 and about 320ish cp's and I'm delighted that I'm being given 40 cp's for free as I'll be able to use them to improve my character and it'll get me closer to the cap. I don't care that other people with more cp's than me are effectively getting more xp.

why dont you care? What the other people have is just as important as what you have if you only PVP like I do. when they increase the cap, those 40 cp given to people already at the cap are going to mean a lot. like i said, gaining 40 cp when youre at say 500 cp would be around 26 million cxp. Thats months of playing, compared to us getting 40 cp (10 million) which is like a month of playing... depending on how much you play .

26 mio xp is about 2 months of playing ~30min per day. If you have friends who play with you and have some skill, you can probably push it below 15min per day. Totally unfair :P

iam117 · May 2016

its a game, with what is supposed to be progression, thats means at all level, i would say is very fair for anyone below 501 to be givin cp that they can spend, those that are above cap have stopped progression and any cp they are given cant even be used, if anything is unfair that everyone gets progression except those at cap. all those that are at or above cap have worked very hard to get there, and played alot of hours to get there, you will put in the same time to get there. everyone is getting a cp bonus based on what level they are in VR how is it not fair? how will you catch up? same as before: play the game.

whats next? Hey zos, thanks for handing out free time that i dont have to play now? oh wait.............

and seriously gina just had a baby

DHale · May 2016

Not sure I like your idea of fair. You didn't earn the xp it should not be give to you. I find it very balanced. I have 5 vr 16s and 2 vr 1s. I am way past 501 and think the cp should have been raised with db to 552 if not 603. That is what is not fair. Ppl complained about the very easy logical vr system which is soon to be replaced by an average cp system. Ppl seem to be getting rewarded for very little time and effort.

TheShadowScout · May 2016

The ONE advantage this gives is for players who rise one character to V16 as opposed to players who spend the same time raising eight characters to V2.
Since most players focus on their main before worrying about alts... I'd say the player population is hugely skewed towards those who benefot more, and against those who actually would have reason to complain.

Players who got to V16 with one character... will all gain the same, no matter how many other characters they got to what rank. Just as salve for seeing all those hard earned ranks vanish and everyone becoming "level 50"

New players who haven't... will have to make the most of the catchup mechanic, that's what its there for.

And players already at or over cap... will get it, and not be able to use it - the only effect for those will be that it makes getting more useless CP even harder by pushing up the XP they need to gain them.

LadyNalcarya · May 2016

I dont care. Even if they would give me 1000 points, why would I care if cannot spend them?

AntMan100673 · May 2016

Well I don't only play PVP, in fact I don't really do that much PVP at all, which is quite possibly why I'm not that bothered. The other reason is to do with your last comment 'depending on how much you play', there's a reason why people will have more cp than me and its probably to do with they play more than more and/or get xp at a faster rate than me. They're going to get to the cap before me anyway and despite the fact they need more xp per cp than me there's a good chance they could be getting cp's at a faster rate than me so I'm best served by getting myself closer to the cap.