No choice regarding one's character should be 100% permanent.

Cously · May 2016

I agree with your suggestion. Everything should be able to change. Even because there is no ties in the story really, like SWTOR where class and gender matters to the storyline. No, everyone is same soul shriven who defeated molag balls, a few acknowledgement of man or women here and there but nothing relevant. So it's the perfect scenario to change.

Apperance - Free for ESO+, gold for everyone else. I want it so much I'm even willing to pay crowns but gold is by far the best choice.

Race, Class, Alliance and Name with Crowns.

Duiwel · May 2016

OP your thread title and subject are actually 100% opposite of what an MMO stands for, they should be permanent... Oh you didn't save that person, you chose to do that now live with the consequences! There is no quicksave and reload if you don't like what you chose to do.

Hallothiel · May 2016

I can understand the desire for cosmetic change (tho as someone who takes a LONG time to create my characters its not really something I find necessary).

But race & class & alliance? I apologise to those who seem to want this so desperately but I just dont understand why you would not just reroll. You are virtually making a new character anyway - or would you want to have all the skill points in the new class lines automatically without learning how they work? And you get to experience the other factions as well.

Personally I went first with a Khajiit NB which is main VR16, but when there was cake rolled 3 others so could try out mage /templar/dragon knight plus different races in different factions. Tried out a dark elf character but was not for me so now he's just a mule & I will eventually delete him.

Makes the game more fun as can switch characters & see things from different perspectives.

And I also have a family & a life that limits my playing time so has taken me forever to get to VR16 & no hope of doing that with my alts before DB but I don't care!

Cously · May 2016

Permanent character attributes are only good when the game has some consistency. Truth is the gameplay has been turned upside down so many times in such short amount of time that you can't have build consistency. Should I have to reroll my character or rely on alt gameplay to circumvent that? It's not like one wakes up and think they want to try something new today, some people got screwed up because they min/max their mains or only chars and 2 weeks later ZOS change the whole game etc. What is it to anyone what other player changes their character stuff, you have nothing to do with their choice so stay out of the way. I'm perfectly satisfied with my race/class combo since day 1 but I will stand for the right of people to choose if they can afford. Plus think of the revenues. Again, nobody has nothing to do with other people's choices.

Sogreth · May 2016

Duiwel wrote: »

OP your thread title and subject are actually 100% opposite of what an MMO stands for, they should be permanent... Oh you didn't save that person, you chose to do that now live with the consequences! There is no quicksave and reload if you don't like what you chose to do.

Actually, if we're using in-game choices to compare with cosmetic changes (even though it's nothing the same, you're comparing apples to oranges), the choices you make in game don't actually feel like they have ANY consequences. You'll still complete your quest and get your exp/gold. You could make a choice to get a whole town wiped out, but then not hear another word about it down the road. You chose to let a criminal live, instead of killing him when you had the chance? Oh well, it's not like you'll ever see that person again.

I seriously don't understand the thinking of some of you people. Why are you arguing this? Why are you up in arms about cosmetic changes? Does it ruin your RP experience or immersion that other players want to change their hairstyles? Key words: other players

What point is there to actually argue about this? It has ZERO effect on your gameplay. The only legitimate argument I've seen from the "no barber shop" side is, "Choices you make should be permanent!" Why? Why should ALL choices be permanent? Why can't my character grow older? Why can't my character get a haircut? Why can't my character get a battle scar? And again, this all goes back to one of my original points, what I want to do with my in game gold, or Crowns (real money) is MY CHOICE, not yours. If I want to throw my wallet at the Crown shop to get a cosmetic change, that's MY CHOICE, and has ZERO effect on your gameplay.

dwemer_cog11 · May 2016

Azurephoenix999 wrote: »

Race has relatively little impact on a character's playstyle, and people should be able to make their character any race they want it to be.

As of now, there is only one race which has little to none impact on a character's playstyle - Nords. Other races have pretty decent passives

dtm_samuraib16_ESO · May 2016

One should think before making something, to prevent regret later!
Live with your choices.

WhoThenNow7 · May 2016

I can't believe people are still arguing over this. If there is race change then that means every single update everyone will just change to whatever race is best for their class on that update.

If there were race changes, I would want it to be a one time deal; but the sad thing is, that still wouldn't satisfy the people pushing for this; because the people who want this so badly to the point of arguing, are people who are indecisive and constantly changing their minds.

So basically, I see no way in making everyone happy. Implement it and allow unlimited use, then everyone picks the same race and there's no diversity. Limit to one use per character, and people still complain because they changed their mind yet again one week later.

Cously · May 2016

dtm_samuraib16_ESO wrote: »

One should think before making something, to prevent regret later!
Live with your choices.

[snip] People planned their characters carefully and game was changed completely afterwards.
[edited for profanity bypass]

Sogreth · May 2016

WhoThenNow7 wrote: »

I can't believe people are still arguing over this. If there is race change then that means every single update everyone will just change to whatever race is best for their class on that update.

If there were race changes, I would want it to be a one time deal; but the sad thing is, that still wouldn't satisfy the people pushing for this; because the people who want this so badly to the point of arguing, are people who are indecisive and constantly changing their minds.

So basically, I see no way in making everyone happy. Implement it and allow unlimited use, then everyone picks the same race and there's no diversity. Limit to one use per character, and people still complain because they changed their mind yet again one week later.

Rofl. Why does it matter how many times someone wants to change their race? It's their money, it doesn't effect your gameplay. And changing races based on updates is totally legitimate. Some players like to min/max, that's not a problem.

Everyone won't be the same race. You're being over dramatic.

WhoThenNow7 · May 2016

Sogreth wrote: »

WhoThenNow7 wrote: »

I can't believe people are still arguing over this. If there is race change then that means every single update everyone will just change to whatever race is best for their class on that update.

If there were race changes, I would want it to be a one time deal; but the sad thing is, that still wouldn't satisfy the people pushing for this; because the people who want this so badly to the point of arguing, are people who are indecisive and constantly changing their minds.

So basically, I see no way in making everyone happy. Implement it and allow unlimited use, then everyone picks the same race and there's no diversity. Limit to one use per character, and people still complain because they changed their mind yet again one week later.

Rofl. Why does it matter how many times someone wants to change their race? It's their money, it doesn't effect your gameplay. And changing races based on updates is totally legitimate. Some players like to min/max, that's not a problem.

Everyone won't be the same race. You're being over dramatic.

I'm sorry but I just don't see the point in having multiple character slots if you can just change everything about one character. Maybe they should just limit it to one slot and enable the player to change anything any time they want.

Sogreth wrote: »

WhoThenNow7 wrote: »

Sogreth wrote: »

WhoThenNow7 wrote: »

I can't believe people are still arguing over this. If there is race change then that means every single update everyone will just change to whatever race is best for their class on that update.

If there were race changes, I would want it to be a one time deal; but the sad thing is, that still wouldn't satisfy the people pushing for this; because the people who want this so badly to the point of arguing, are people who are indecisive and constantly changing their minds.

So basically, I see no way in making everyone happy. Implement it and allow unlimited use, then everyone picks the same race and there's no diversity. Limit to one use per character, and people still complain because they changed their mind yet again one week later.

Rofl. Why does it matter how many times someone wants to change their race? It's their money, it doesn't effect your gameplay. And changing races based on updates is totally legitimate. Some players like to min/max, that's not a problem.

Everyone won't be the same race. You're being over dramatic.

I'm sorry but I just don't see the point in having multiple character slots if you can just change everyone about one character. Maybe they should just limit it to one slot and enable the player to change anything any time they want.

Hard to think? I understand, it's not for everyone.

I don't agree with changing class, I think that one is too great of a change. But anything cosmetic, including race, should be changeable. So that's what your other character slots are for. By your logic, we only need 4 character slots, one for each class.

Uh no it's not "hard to think". But apparently it is VERY difficult for you to think, seeing as how you are begging for race change because you were unable to think of what you wanted in the first place.

Sogreth · May 2016

WhoThenNow7 wrote: »

Sogreth wrote: »

WhoThenNow7 wrote: »

I can't believe people are still arguing over this. If there is race change then that means every single update everyone will just change to whatever race is best for their class on that update.

If there were race changes, I would want it to be a one time deal; but the sad thing is, that still wouldn't satisfy the people pushing for this; because the people who want this so badly to the point of arguing, are people who are indecisive and constantly changing their minds.

So basically, I see no way in making everyone happy. Implement it and allow unlimited use, then everyone picks the same race and there's no diversity. Limit to one use per character, and people still complain because they changed their mind yet again one week later.

Rofl. Why does it matter how many times someone wants to change their race? It's their money, it doesn't effect your gameplay. And changing races based on updates is totally legitimate. Some players like to min/max, that's not a problem.

Everyone won't be the same race. You're being over dramatic.

I'm sorry but I just don't see the point in having multiple character slots if you can just change everyone about one character. Maybe they should just limit it to one slot and enable the player to change anything any time they want.

Hard to think? I understand, it's not for everyone.

I don't agree with changing class, I think that one is too great of a change. But anything cosmetic, including race, should be changeable. So that's what your other character slots are for. By your logic, we only need 4 character slots, one for each class.

dtm_samuraib16_ESO · May 2016

Cously wrote: »

dtm_samuraib16_ESO wrote: »

One should think before making something, to prevent regret later!
Live with your choices.

[snip] People planned their characters carefully and game was changed completely afterwards.

But not really.
Or do you happen to have a save in RL?

One cannot come back on choices made, get over it.
Life's a... well, unkind lady.
[edited to remove quote]

dtm_samuraib16_ESO · May 2016

Sogreth wrote: »

Rofl. Why does it matter how many times someone wants to change their race? It's their money, it doesn't effect your gameplay. And changing races based on updates is totally legitimate. Some players like to min/max, that's not a problem.

Everyone won't be the same race. You're being over dramatic.

No one payed for this, it was not included in the price, unless it's bought separately.
And I for one do not agree on having this.
There IS a perfect system for all this: DELETE and restart.
Use what you have.

Sogreth · May 2016

dtm_samuraib16_ESO wrote: »

Cously wrote: »

dtm_samuraib16_ESO wrote: »

One should think before making something, to prevent regret later!
Live with your choices.

[snip] People planned their characters carefully and game was changed completely afterwards.

But not really.
Or do you happen to have a save in RL?

One cannot come back on choices made, get over it.
Life's a... well, unkind lady.

No, in RL, you can't just go back on a choice. But we're not talking about RL. But if you insist...

In real life you CAN make cosmetic changes about yourself. You can change your gender, you can change your hair, face, and even name. So if we want to use RL as an argument, then that should give us even more reason for an in-game barber shop.

dtm_samuraib16_ESO wrote: »

No one payed for this, it was not included in the price, unless it's bought separately.
And I for one do not agree on having this.
There IS a perfect system for all this: DELETE and restart.
Use what you have.

Okay? So because the "barber shop" wasn't in the game originally. They can't add it because it "wasn't included in the price." [snip]
[edited for flaming & to remove quote]

Cously · May 2016

dtm_samuraib16_ESO wrote: »

Cously wrote: »

dtm_samuraib16_ESO wrote: »

One should think before making something, to prevent regret later!
Live with your choices.

[snip] People planned their characters carefully and game was changed completely afterwards.

But not really.
Or do you happen to have a save in RL?

One cannot come back on choices made, get over it.
Life's a... well, unkind lady.

The game is not real lie. YOU are the one who need to get over it, it's other people's choice, has nothing to do with you, won't affect your gameplay. Stop having a problem with things that have zero impact in your gameplay.
[edited to remove quote]

dtm_samuraib16_ESO · May 2016

Well, see, that can go 2 ways: I mean, why don't you get over it? :P

It's not that hard to be a tad smarter or patient before you start something.
Put in a second to think of what you want, then go for it.
There's google to help you in case it's not that simple, or do like I do: not happy?
Re-roll.

FAR more advanteges re-rolling/restarting a new character!
Oh, and, hey, there's google, too, y'know. XD

Cously · May 2016

dtm_samuraib16_ESO wrote: »

Well, see, that can go 2 ways: I mean, why don't you get over it? :P

It's not that hard to be a tad smarter or patient before you start something.
Put in a second to think of what you want, then go for it.
There's google to help you in case it's not that simple, or do like I do: not happy?
Re-roll.

FAR more advanteges re-rolling/restarting a new character!
Oh, and, hey, there's google, too, y'know. XD

LOL I don't need to get over anything, it's you that have a problem with matters that doesn't concern you. Do you not know how to read? I stated several times people planned their characters, so your argument is bull. Plus why are you against the revenue it will generate, re roll? Perharps you haven't acomplished much in the game to discard a character so easily. Get out of the way, mate, the problem doesn't affect you and nor will the solution. By the way you can change gender and professions in real life if you insist to not separate the two worlds.

idk · May 2016

1. They are adding a barbershop for changing appearance (crown cost of course)
2. They have said they plan on bringing in racial passive change opportunity (crown cost of course.
3. One should not be able to change classes of alliance without rolling. New character. It'll be easy to level up a new character after DB drops. No need to be lazy about this anymore.

dtm_samuraib16_ESO · May 2016

Cously wrote: »

dtm_samuraib16_ESO wrote: »

Well, see, that can go 2 ways: I mean, why don't you get over it? :P

It's not that hard to be a tad smarter or patient before you start something.
Put in a second to think of what you want, then go for it.
There's google to help you in case it's not that simple, or do like I do: not happy?
Re-roll.

FAR more advanteges re-rolling/restarting a new character!
Oh, and, hey, there's google, too, y'know. XD

LOL I don't need to get over anything, it's you that have a problem with matters that doesn't concern you. Do you not know how to read? I stated several times people planned their characters, so your argument is bull. Plus why are you against the revenue it will generate, re roll? Perharps you haven't acomplished much in the game to discard a character so easily. Get out of the way, mate, the problem doesn't affect you and nor will the solution. By the way you can change gender and professions in real life if you insist to not separate the two worlds.

No need to get mad, here, a happy pill, some Pink Floyd, and chill.

dtm_samuraib16_ESO · May 2016

Electroheadz wrote: »

Too bad, you wrote what I did not want to say.
But yes, the tools are there: shrines, character slots, DELETE...
We already have all tools, and yet they want MOAR...

Here's an idiotic thought: What if... they fixed the game?
We've got.... lag...
We've got.... bugs...
We've got... other thingies...

And in a few decades or so, give or take a century, then think of say a barber shop?

Duiwel · May 2016

I have created more chars and deleted more chars than most of you combined believe me... That's why up until 19 Dec 2015 my highest lvl char was still only level 21 or 22. The point is if you don't like what you have made make a new main. That's what MMO's like.

kargen27 · May 2016

Shadowfx1970 wrote: »

I think alliance change just once should be allowed, or at least be able to join in group and do areas such as Wrothgar and Craglorn but alas I doubt that will come before I can get another char levelled up on the alliance I want.

I would like to have the option after completing gold to choose which alliance I then want to join. Pick a starting alliance for new character then after experiencing all each alliance has to offer choose which one I want to associate with.

dtm_samuraib16_ESO · May 2016

Kargen, now this I do fully agree with, TBH.

newtinmpls · May 2016

Sogreth wrote: »

I seriously don't understand the thinking of some of you people. Why are you arguing this? Why are you up in arms about cosmetic changes? Does it ruin your RP experience or immersion that other players want to change their hairstyles? Key words: other players

What point is there to actually argue about this? It has ZERO effect on your gameplay.

I've been thinking about this.

What difference do I think it would make? How do I think it would effect someone's gameplay? If the person was up in arms enough to quit over it what would my reaction be?

I think that technically on the surface, @Sogreth does have a point in that overtly it shouldn't/wouldn't effect the gameplay of anyone else.

But in the same way that IC was designed to encourage ganker's (and it does) - and I find that a flaw in ESO - I do think that choices like these, and commitment that is supported or ... unsupported? Is that a thing?

The ES storylines are based on being heroes. Good guys. An MMORPG is based on player-player interaction.

I think that things/aspects/consequences that support/encourage mature gameplay encourage a positive experience and community. I think that things/aspect/consequences that support/encourage immature gameplay work against a positive experience and community.

I dislike "gimmie" changes, because they encourage immature (and highly potentially unkind gameplay). For the same reason I dislike "negative" options in game; achievements for killing, rewards for ganking and so on.

The more likely a choice/commitment in game is to be permanent/require commitment/support maturity, the more I will like it, because the more it will contribute positively to the community, the feel of the game, the zone chat, the patience of randoms when grouping for a delve.

I realize that others will disagree.

I just thought I would attempt to answer the question.

leshpar · May 2016

The only thing I wish I could change (but fully understand why I can't) is my faction. I love everything about my character, but after playing the game for an extended period of time I have come to realize that I feel the daggerfall covenant should be my faction, not ebonheart pact.

Mojmir · May 2016

alliance change-totally justified,your a traitor
race change-[snip] cares what race a character changed it too,chances are theyre covered in armor and you wouldnt know anyways unless they told you.
gender change-[snip] cares see,it doesnt change anything about the game,AT ALL!!!
class change-[snip] cares its not your character or game thats changing,its someone elses.
[edited for profanity bypass]

aisriyth_ESO · May 2016

Serenityx wrote: »

Class/race change will not and should not ever be inplemented in any MMO. Also, with DB you literally will be able to play every stupid little race and class ZOS has *** out for us much easier. Your entire argument about race/class seems moot saying as "re-rolling" will be incredibly ez.

Will not? Race changes are pretty much common place this days in any 'triple a' mmo, including many that are not triple a.

Race changes i think are fine.

Faction changes, sure...but i rather it be a lengthy quest in game that can only be done maybe once every 3 months or so.

Class changes, no.

Elder_III · May 2016

Choices in life have consequences.

Sid Meir said nearly 30 years ago "Games should be a series of interesting choices." Choices that are permanent have immediate and long lasting consequences and are vastly more interesting then choices that you can change any time you wish. I like Waffles for my breakfast --- I do not like Waffles for my games.

/disagreed

phairdon · May 2016

Unsure whether race change is common in MMO's as I only play one other. Guess what? No race change or class change, unless a player creates an alt. They do let you buy appearance changes though.