Activity Finder Taking Hours for DPS

Lord_Eomer · May 2016

It's getting worst and worst day by day,

I am in queue since an hour but no luck for a Veteran Group match.

It's happening since last weekend, it really needs tuning or it is just wasting time.

I already did Wrothgar Daily. Hee Bane and now daily Undaunted becomes un doable.....

Moglijuana · May 2016

I agree. Normally do dungeons with my guild...but yesterday I decided to trust ZOS and their group finder...hour and a half later que pops...and puts me into a group with only 2 other people...greaaaattttttttt.

P.S.

We DID end up just 3 manning said dungeon (with 3 DPS too) all without ZOS's help. Thanks for nothing ZOS yet again

Zerok · May 2016

Don't exclusively use the group finder for veteran dungeons if you're a DPS. You will want to find at least a healer or a tank before even considering starting the grouping tool. Your group will start in less than 15 minutes if you do it that way.

Group finder works great if you're a tank. The waiting time is (usually) less than a minute.

If you can heal, then it takes less than 15 minutes.

ValkynSketha · May 2016

Everyone in this game and their family want to be DD, so long que time is normal, you either join a guild or respec to healer or Tank.

anfmofo · May 2016

it's officially broken. Last night I was in a group of four; one tank, one healer and two dps. We were various levels so we had to use the group tool rather than just travelling. After 15 minutes of searching the group quit. I thought you could fast travel as long as you click search first for scaling, but apparently that doesn't even work.

ESO is the only mmo that tries to get you to play solo.

Guppet · May 2016

There are simply a multitude more dps joining the queue, than heals or tanks. It's never going to change until the group finder starts to actively create groups other than 2 dps one tank and one healer.

The issue is excasserbated by dps fake queueing as rolls that they are not. How many times do you think a healer will accept a fake tank, that lets mobs wail on him, before he stops using the group finder?

How many times will a tank accept a healer, that does not heal him, before he too stops using group finder.

Choosing fake roles, to get quick queues is now starting to make the queues even longer, as tanks and healers are avoiding group finder due to it.

The simple truth is that tanks and healers are more needed, so they can get into guilds and stop using group finder.

clocksstoppe · May 2016

Solution: queue up as tank or healer.

Guppet · May 2016

clocksstoppe wrote: »

Solution: queue up as tank or healer.

Only if your willing to tank or heal!

wayfarerx · May 2016

anfmofo wrote: »

it's officially broken. Last night I was in a group of four; one tank, one healer and two dps. We were various levels so we had to use the group tool rather than just travelling. After 15 minutes of searching the group quit. I thought you could fast travel as long as you click search first for scaling, but apparently that doesn't even work.

ESO is the only mmo that tries to get you to play solo.

Did you try disbanding and reforming? I've found that sometimes the group finder gets confused if some or all of your group has previously been into an instance together.

Also make sure that everyone has exactly one role selected and that you have 1 tank / 1 healer / 2 DPS selected all told.

MarcoPolo · May 2016

Best advice give up, today iv been in a group with a healer that cant heal loads of groups that just cant stay standing and the best yet cross alliance groups that boot everyone at last boss, or boots the other alliance members

idk · May 2016

I get a lauch out of DPS complaining about getting into a 4 man group. Tanks and healers are always king with 4 man groups. Dps are often in abundance since it is the easiest to do, though healing in them game is fairly easy which is why most of us dish out serious dps while being the healer.

Nogawd · May 2016

Geeze, another one of these threads?

Most have already nailed it......

Tons more dps than tanks or healers.

It gets worse when people join to a role they can not perform.

Example, I am a healer. I have already stopped the random q because most runs were a complete waste of time.

Heck, most runs you don't even need a tank or healer to complete so the whole thing should not be a big deal to begin with. In most cases though, the dps is TERRIBLE or they don't know the fights, which is fine, but when they die from from a one-shot mechanic or by standing in red stuff and then try to cuss me out for not healing, well, yeah.

As a healer/dps, I typically run with some guildmates, take 3dps, and we can finish most runs in 15-20 minutes with no deaths or close calls. Cakewalk.

khele23eb17_ESO · May 2016

Well, thats what you get when you make an MMO with 1t+1h+2dd groups (should be 1t+1h+3dd or 1t+1h+4dd). Especially if you dont make the healing and tanking roles particularly interesting or if they arent rewarding to play outside dungeons. Also... no dual specs.

Its like ZoS had a multiple personality disorder episode while designing different parts of the game.
'DDs are the kings of the game. Who gives damn about the other roles.'
'What about dungeons?'
'F... DDs. Healers and tanks are the pillars of the game.'

bsupino · May 2016

I don't know why everyone is complaining. Plain and simple offerXdemmand.
If you want to play as DPS you will have more solo and PVP (ganking) fun. On the other hand good luck on finding a group for Dungeons through finder.

Simple Solutions:
1 - form a group with people from your guilds
2 - reroll your DPS to a tank or healer ( i did this from DPS NB to sap tank, no queue lines and been farming helms)
3 - try to create a market of healer/tanker for hire

All is trade off, you can't have everything

Lord_Eomer · May 2016

It's getting a way more bad,

People are too much disbanding group so unfortunate....

khele23eb17_ESO · May 2016

bsupino wrote: »

I don't know why everyone is complaining. Plain and simple offerXdemmand.
If you want to play as DPS you will have more solo and PVP (ganking) fun. On the other hand good luck on finding a group for Dungeons through finder.

Simple Solutions:
1 - form a group with people from your guilds
2 - reroll your DPS to a tank or healer ( i did this from DPS NB to sap tank, no queue lines and been farming helms)
3 - try to create a market of healer/tanker for hire

All is trade off, you can't have everything

Why not? There are games which handle this much better. Granted wait times arent equal even there but the difference is you wait for a group 15-30 minutes as dps instead of 40m-3h.

vyndral13preub18_ESO · May 2016

Zerok wrote: »

Don't exclusively use the group finder for veteran dungeons if you're a DPS. You will want to find at least a healer or a tank before even considering starting the grouping tool. Your group will start in less than 15 minutes if you do it that way.

Group finder works great if you're a tank. The waiting time is (usually) less than a minute.

If you can heal, then it takes less than 15 minutes.

I actually dont think you have to group with a tank or a healer. I think just being grouped with anyone at all works. I know it sounds silly but i honestly think the dungeon finder gives priority to groups of people. No matter the roll.

For the last month or so my gf and i have been rolling exlusively dps. We always group together to queue then Do dungeons. She gets home sooner so sometimes she will queue while she waits for me. Ill get home and she will have been waiting an hour and a half for a group. We will group together and requeue. Bam almost instant group. Usually under 5 minutes.

Last night she was queued for an hour and 45 minutes. I join her group requeue, keep in mind we are now 2 dps, and before i close the dungeon finder window we have a group. Something similar has happened enough that it isnt dumb luck. There is no way for an hour or so she is the only dps in the queue, so as soon as i join we get a group.

Im not sure what is rotten in dungeon finder land. But there is something. To me it seems like priority is given to groups since that is all that changed in our repeated experiences.

Parrot1986 · May 2016

Most have already stated the issue with this but the group finder is still boken beyond this. Even on my healer I waited 45 mins and got nothing. Logged off and back on and got something within a minute. Overall running as a tank or healer makes it easier for groups but still broken for all.

LadyNalcarya · May 2016

khele23eb17_ESO wrote: »

Also... no dual specs.

Well, both my healer and tank can dps just by swapping gear (and vice versa). I dont even swap my dps cps unless I do trials. But for some trials, I adjust red cps even as a dd, so its irrelevant.

Sleep · May 2016

you can mark yourself as tank. not every group need tank especially for vet dark shade or vet sewer or vet spindle. but you have to tell others you are not going to tank. if they are not ok with it you should leave. if you want you can just make a tank build and a healer build by simply swapping skills and maybe equipments.

Nebthet78 · May 2016

Just wait until DB release. Tanks are going to be even harder to find because of the nerfs to Heavy Armor and CP Tree changes.

wayfarerx · May 2016

Sleep wrote: »

you can mark yourself as tank. not every group need tank especially for vet dark shade or vet sewer or vet spindle. but you have to tell others you are not going to tank. if they are not ok with it you should leave.

Please don't do this. It's nice to call out that you're not a tank at the beginning and offer to leave, but if they do actually want a tank then you just pushed them to the back of their 15 min - 2 hour queue. If you want to run with 3 or 4 DPS join a PvE guild, don't lie in group finder.

Sleep wrote: »

if you want you can just make a tank build and a healer build by simply swapping skills and maybe equipments.

DO this. It's not all that hard DPS/tank or DPS/heal and learning to perform in the less common roles makes the group finder work better for everyone.

Humatiel · May 2016

wayfarerx wrote: »

Sleep wrote: »

you can mark yourself as tank. not every group need tank especially for vet dark shade or vet sewer or vet spindle. but you have to tell others you are not going to tank. if they are not ok with it you should leave.

Please don't do this. It's nice to call out that you're not a tank at the beginning and offer to leave, but if they do actually want a tank then you just pushed them to the back of their 15 min - 2 hour queue. If you want to run with 3 or 4 DPS join a PvE guild, don't lie in group finder.

Sleep wrote: »

if you want you can just make a tank build and a healer build by simply swapping skills and maybe equipments.

DO this. It's not all that hard DPS/tank or DPS/heal and learning to perform in the less common roles makes the group finder work better for everyone.

I would argue that the fault here lies on ZoS and not the playerbase. ZoS has always preached "play as you like" and that teamwork isn't necessary, now the community has no way forward so to speak other than a guild (aka teamwork). ZoS needs to get with the times and allow us to queue for roles and not a trinity, that one simple act would solve 90% of these issues.

Besides, from a more literal term is he not playing how he likes?

vladimilianoub17_ESO1 · May 2016

Parrot1986 wrote: »

Most have already stated the issue with this but the group finder is still boken beyond this. Even on my healer I waited 45 mins and got nothing. Logged off and back on and got something within a minute. Overall running as a tank or healer makes it easier for groups but still broken for all.

happens to my dps ....when im at 45-50 mins waiting i quit queue,requeue and get in a grp in like 5-10 mins.

Its weird,it feels like after 45 mins the tool forget about you until you requeue

wayfarerx · May 2016

Humatiel wrote: »

wayfarerx wrote: »

Sleep wrote: »

you can mark yourself as tank. not every group need tank especially for vet dark shade or vet sewer or vet spindle. but you have to tell others you are not going to tank. if they are not ok with it you should leave.

Please don't do this. It's nice to call out that you're not a tank at the beginning and offer to leave, but if they do actually want a tank then you just pushed them to the back of their 15 min - 2 hour queue. If you want to run with 3 or 4 DPS join a PvE guild, don't lie in group finder.

Sleep wrote: »

if you want you can just make a tank build and a healer build by simply swapping skills and maybe equipments.

DO this. It's not all that hard DPS/tank or DPS/heal and learning to perform in the less common roles makes the group finder work better for everyone.

I would argue that the fault here lies on ZoS and not the playerbase. ZoS has always preached "play as you like" and that teamwork isn't necessary, now the community has no way forward so to speak other than a guild (aka teamwork). ZoS needs to get with the times and allow us to queue for roles and not a trinity, that one simple act would solve 90% of these issues.

Besides, from a more literal term is he not playing how he likes?

There is certainly much more ZOS could do to improve the grouping tool and these forums are regularly peppered with new ideas in that regard. What I'm saying is that if you go and try to PUG tonight, with what we have right now, misrepresenting what you intend to do in a dungeon with random other people is a d*ck move since it could very well ruin their playtime for the day.

As for playing how you like, go for it. If you want to DPS in heavy armor with bow and resto staff then pick DPS and pray to Akatosh, but queuing as a tank when you don't even slot a taunt is not playing how you want, it's deliberately misrepresenting yourself at the expense of others.

Tan9oSuccka · May 2016

Supply and Demand. My buddy and I have really good luck grouping and joining the queue like this:

Me: DK Tank
Him: DD Sorcerer

Next run

Me: DD Stamina Nightblade
Him: Templar healer

If you have either a tank or a healer and then queue you will have much greater success.

Sallington · May 2016

This game is overwhelmingly casual. Most casual people just want to click their damage skills mindlessly and kill things.

Tanking has had it's difficulty increased in recent patches, so it takes a fair amount of knowledge and skill to pull of well, making it not fun for people who don't want to use their brains to faceroll through a dungeon.

Healing also has a good amount of responsibility, which is a no-no for most casual players using the dungeon finder.

Obviously there are very, very good players that main a DD, but the majority just DD because it takes the least amount of though for the most part in random dungeons.

If you're a DD complaining about long queues for DD's, you're part of the problem. I spec'd my magicka templar to tank just to run through my random dailies quickly. It's really easy to make a tanking set, throw some tanking skills on your bar, and queue as a tank. Most people just don't want to think harder or feel like they have any responsibility in a group.

Zerok · May 2016

I think the grouping tool is bugged.

Yesterday we completed the normal pledge with a premade group (all roles covered).

Then when we started the grouping tool for the veteran pledge (to scale everyone to VR16) and the grouping tool kept searching forever without realizing we were already a complete premade group.

Usually, you only have to wait a few seconds before the grouping tool activates.

We tried everything to make it work (reforming group, changing leader, porting to dungeon while the grouping tool was searching, etc.), but it was just not working.

phaneub17_ESO · May 2016

Some pointers if you are a capable player and know you can hold your own, you can do most dungeons without someone in the tank or healer role, it just requires a bit more management on your part if you plan on using the random dungeon finder.

If you and someone you know are both able to deal high damage output fast and able to sub heal, you can join together and queue as the Tank and Healer role; getting the dungeon queue should be near instant. Of course you still have to back up your claim, otherwise your group may get steam rolled if you're unable to hold the boss down when it matters. If you're at the top of the threat meter you can kite it around instead of wasting a slot for a taunt, just do it slowly so others can keep up; have the others place down their ground effects where the boss will end up crossing rather than where it is currently.

GaldorP · May 2016

If you join a queue with a pre-made group, it seems to work better (even with 2 dps).
I've made a tank build for my main who's normally a dps a few days ago. Ever since, I quickly find groups for the day's Undaunted pledges and when I solo-queue for random dungeons (though my role in the group indicated by the group finder is always tank, never dps

) .

I don't know if this is common knowledge or not, but there is an actual bug when you try to join the queue for normal Imperial City Prison and/or normal White Gold Tower but do not select any other dungeon while in a group with another players that hasn't reached Veteran Rank yet (but has access to the DLC). The "Join Queue" button simply won't work then. And it's not the bug where you need to click the button like 5-10 times until it actually works (that bug happens all the time

). No, with that specific setup, it will never work, even if you click it a thousand times. You can solo-queue for normal ICP and/or normal WGT, but in this group setup it doesn't work anymore (and yes, all the players in the group had access to the DLC so that wasn't the problem).

Guppet · May 2016

GaldorP wrote: »

If you join a queue with a pre-made a group, it seems to work better (even with 2 dps).
I've made a tank build for my main who's normally a dps a few days ago. Ever since I quickly find groups for the day's Undaunted pledges and when I solo-queue for random dungeons (though my role in the group indicated by the group finder is always tank, never dps ) .

There is an actual bug when you try to join the queue for normal Imperial City Prison and/or normal White Gold Tower but do not select any other dungeon while in a group with another players that hasn't reached Veteran Rank yet (but has access to the DLC). The "Join Queue" button simply won't work then. And it's not the bug where you need to click the button like 5-10 times until it actually works (that bug happens all the time ). No, with that specific setup, it will never work, even if you click it a thousand times.

Your queue would be just as quick without your friend. It's the fact your queuing as a tank, that's what's getting you quick queues!!