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Fake Vicious Death in Death Recap
Morvane
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I've heard a lot of crying about vicious death, which is bugged and kill everything.
Sometimes folks talk about issue, that VD proc was in their recap, but nobody was near them in this moment. Thats why a lot of people decided that VD set is bugged or proc from alive low-hp targets or even player himself.
Me and my friend tested VD for few days.
As a result we have come to a conclusion, that VD works correctly and really procs only after death of character. Not from low-hp targets and not from critters.
BUT displaying VD damage in death recap is really bugged, thats why a lot of people, who need learn to play, begin to panic and declare that VD is bugged. No, VD works correctly as it is declared in the description, but have 1 problem when u checking death recap.
So, player-1 which wear VD set, kills player-2 in duel. The player-2 may notice VD proc in his recap/combat log. This VD proc is shown as ability which damaged player-2 before killing blow. Player-2 may decide that it is bugged damage from VD set and it works incorrectly. He may think that VD procs from himself and damaged him. But actually this damage in recap is fake. VD damage shown in recap BEFORE killing blow (4th position in recap) doesn't cause any real damage to your character. It is just bugged report of damage that YOU may cause around urself after death. VD damage at any another position in full death recap usually show real damage to ur character.
Why ZOS cant fix this visual bug is still remains secret for me, but if u dont believe me, u can test this for sure. At least I'm glad that set works correctly and dont broke the game mechanic with bug. Nevertheless, real VD proc is rare guest in my death recap, hopes in urs too.
p.s. and ask everybody to be patient to my english ^^
Fake Damage:
Real Death from VD proc:
Edited by Morvane on April 22, 2016 9:56AM Sometimes folks talk about issue, that VD proc was in their recap, but nobody was near them in this moment. Thats why a lot of people decided that VD set is bugged or proc from alive low-hp targets or even player himself.
Me and my friend tested VD for few days.
As a result we have come to a conclusion, that VD works correctly and really procs only after death of character. Not from low-hp targets and not from critters.
BUT displaying VD damage in death recap is really bugged, thats why a lot of people, who need learn to play, begin to panic and declare that VD is bugged. No, VD works correctly as it is declared in the description, but have 1 problem when u checking death recap.
So, player-1 which wear VD set, kills player-2 in duel. The player-2 may notice VD proc in his recap/combat log. This VD proc is shown as ability which damaged player-2 before killing blow. Player-2 may decide that it is bugged damage from VD set and it works incorrectly. He may think that VD procs from himself and damaged him. But actually this damage in recap is fake. VD damage shown in recap BEFORE killing blow (4th position in recap) doesn't cause any real damage to your character. It is just bugged report of damage that YOU may cause around urself after death. VD damage at any another position in full death recap usually show real damage to ur character.
Why ZOS cant fix this visual bug is still remains secret for me, but if u dont believe me, u can test this for sure. At least I'm glad that set works correctly and dont broke the game mechanic with bug. Nevertheless, real VD proc is rare guest in my death recap, hopes in urs too.
p.s. and ask everybody to be patient to my english ^^
Fake Damage:
Real Death from VD proc:
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@morvayn54, PC/EU
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DjKahun✭✭✭It is definitely bugged and I can confirm this. I was fighting a magicka nightblade by myself with no one around me, he got through my shields and cc'ed me (i had no stamina left after a long fight) and then I got hit by 2 abilities which I could see not just in death recap, i had full 20k health and he hit me with Proxy Det & Vicious Death at the same time 1 hitting me literally. Everyone saying it's working as intended is all the noobs that go around with proxy det & vicious death build that have no skill at all and they know it's broken but just don't want to admit it.~ Snowborn ~ Ebonheart Loyals ~
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Morvane✭✭✭✭the real mystery:
how did disintegrate proc without anything doing lightning damage?
this is common bug with sorcerer's execute
Edited by Morvane on April 23, 2016 6:51AMDC Dunmer Sorcerer since 2014
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Crom_CCCXVI✭✭✭✭✭I have a video from today, about 1 hour ago.
3 clean hits with Wrecking blow about 5k each, 1 heavy attack like 3500..
Then VD goes off for 12K.
I have just under 30K health.
Watched it several times, there are clearly only 4 strikes before the explosion.
If I can figure out how to put it on youtube later today I will.1 -
psychotic13✭✭✭✭✭
✭Crom_CCCXVI wrote: »I have a video from today, about 1 hour ago.
3 clean hits with Wrecking blow about 5k each, 1 heavy attack like 3500..
Then VD goes off for 12K.
I have just under 30K health.
Watched it several times, there are clearly only 4 strikes before the explosion.
If I can figure out how to put it on youtube later today I will.
Yeah get this up asap, if what you're saying is true (I believe it to be as I've been in similar situations) then how can people argue it.0 -
Brrrofski✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭I decided to get vd yesterday for a dirty cheese ranged Radiant Destruction build for when zergs are sieging. Haven't had a chance to try it out myself yet. But according to pc testers, they have done extensive testing with light attacks to death so it's easy to track, and vd doesn't proc early.0 -
psychotic13✭✭✭✭✭
✭There's a video in another thread, it does proc early, when you're at 20% health according to this1 -
Solariken✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭I haven't noticed any bugginess with the proc. That set is pretty cool, but FFS they need to tone the damage down a little bit. Eternal Hunt only does ~half of VD damage and EH only hits one target.0 -
Crom_CCCXVI✭✭✭✭✭It broken 100%. People need to stop "guessing" and just listen.
Saturday, I am trying to flag a keep in scourge. When wham, dead. I am by myself.
Cold Fire Ballista. 16500k damage
Viscious Death 8000k damage
I had just over 23000 health.
This isn't a UI error. This isn't a text glich. Viscious Death is going off while your still alive. On PS4 anyway.
This is 100% certain. So please stop spreading misinformation. It is broken or very inaccurately worded. End of Debate0 -
flguy147ub17_ESO✭✭✭✭✭Crom_CCCXVI wrote: »It broken 100%. People need to stop "guessing" and just listen.
Saturday, I am trying to flag a keep in scourge. When wham, dead. I am by myself.
Cold Fire Ballista. 16500k damage
Viscious Death 8000k damage
I had just over 23000 health.
This isn't a UI error. This isn't a text glich. Viscious Death is going off while your still alive. On PS4 anyway.
This is 100% certain. So please stop spreading misinformation. It is broken or very inaccurately worded. End of Debate
Agreed, i am on PS4 and i wouldnt have died due to my health if the VD proc didnt happen. The thing is working like an execute0 -
Sharee✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Crom_CCCXVI wrote: »It broken 100%. People need to stop "guessing" and just listen.
Saturday, I am trying to flag a keep in scourge. When wham, dead. I am by myself.
Cold Fire Ballista. 16500k damage
Viscious Death 8000k damage
I had just over 23000 health.
This isn't a UI error. This isn't a text glich. Viscious Death is going off while your still alive. On PS4 anyway.
This is 100% certain. So please stop spreading misinformation. It is broken or very inaccurately worded. End of Debate
I am sorry but it is you who is spreading misinformation. Every single piece of evidence published so far was disproved.
Unless you can produce new evidence, this whole issue is just one big hoax caused by misinterpreting another bug (health bar desync).Crom_CCCXVI wrote: »Cold Fire Ballista. 16500k damage
Viscious Death 8000k damage
I had just over 23000 health.
This is what health bar desync looks like. You think you have just over 23000 health left(because that's what your bugged health bar shows you) when you in fact have less than that. You get hit by 16500, which should not be enough to kill you (according to health bar), but it still does (because your health bar was wrong), and you conclude that the death blow must have come from the VD proc (when in fact it did not).
Tadaaa, "This is 100% certain"Edited by Sharee on May 16, 2016 8:49AM1 -
Crom_CCCXVI✭✭✭✭✭Do you play PS4?
I do in PvP almost every day.... should I know you? I run with Cravality, Mourningstar, Raidersof Cyrodil. I was on Scourge all weekend, you know when red and yellow fought for like 8 hours between Arrius and Sejanus? Were you there for any of that? I lead some of these groups, I'm not known as a liar so your response is insulting.
Furhturmore, Hardcore PVP groups aren't even debating it anymore. They are putting their stamina builds in VD gear now;. The only debates they are having about VD is whether or not a DOT still procs VD if someone else makes the killing blow. So now you have DK's with VD running around setting everyone on fire for 10secs while others get the kill shots trying to see if they explode?
The only place this is even debated is in these forums- by people who probably don't play enough PvP to have such certain opinions.
I didn't take the screen shot, because we were too busy discussing that Siege weapons were proc'ing viscious death and that was more shocking than the fact the damage didn't come close to my health (since that happens frequently). The fact it was clearly a single bolt was the point.
I just told you I was hit by a single ballista bolt, and VD proc'd.... 2 things on the entire death screen. There is no error there.
You want to call me a liar? Claim I can't read my own health bar or it's some UI error?
My question is do you work for Zenimax? Why are you defending something that is broken?
Furthurmore, I have VD0 -
Sharee✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Crom_CCCXVI wrote: »I didn't take the screen shot, because we were too busy discussing that Siege weapons were proc'ing viscious death and that was more shocking than the fact the damage didn't come close to my health (since that happens frequently). The fact it was clearly a single bolt was the point.
I just told you I was hit by a single ballista bolt, and VD proc'd.... 2 things on the entire death screen. There is no error there.
Death screen only shows the most recent damage before your death. You health bar might have been desynced before that.
Only solid evidence of VD being bugged would be a log of all damage and all healing you received before dying, adding it all together, and showing that the VD damage had to happen or you wouldn;t have died.
People tried that, and they came up with the result that VD is in fact not bugged.Crom_CCCXVI wrote: »You want to call me a liar? Claim I can't read my own health bar or it's some UI error?
Not a liar. Just misinformed.
I don't doubt you can read your health bar, only the information it gives you is wrong.
And yes, there is an UI error. Health desyncs are a common thing that has plagued ESO since release.
Edited by Sharee on May 16, 2016 9:04AM0 -
ku5h✭✭✭✭✭
✭There was a video like week ago where 2 guys were doing the test. If i remember correct guy with VD was spaming burning embers for like 1.5-2k dmg, but when the other guy went down to 20-25% of his HP he just blew up. They counted how much dmg was done and came to conclusion that it's actuall VD that killed him. There was also talk that they did it with LAs to but in that case it didn't proc. At first i also thought that it's just UI bug, but now im almost certain it procs early.0 -
Brrrofski✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Crom_CCCXVI wrote: »Do you play PS4?
I do in PvP almost every day.... should I know you? I run with Cravality, Mourningstar, Raidersof Cyrodil. I was on Scourge all weekend, you know when red and yellow fought for like 8 hours between Arrius and Sejanus? Were you there for any of that? I lead some of these groups, I'm not known as a liar so your response is insulting.
Furhturmore, Hardcore PVP groups aren't even debating it anymore. They are putting their stamina builds in VD gear now;. The only debates they are having about VD is whether or not a DOT still procs VD if someone else makes the killing blow. So now you have DK's with VD running around setting everyone on fire for 10secs while others get the kill shots trying to see if they explode?
The only place this is even debated is in these forums- by people who probably don't play enough PvP to have such certain opinions.
I didn't take the screen shot, because we were too busy discussing that Siege weapons were proc'ing viscious death and that was more shocking than the fact the damage didn't come close to my health (since that happens frequently). The fact it was clearly a single bolt was the point.
I just told you I was hit by a single ballista bolt, and VD proc'd.... 2 things on the entire death screen. There is no error there.
You want to call me a liar? Claim I can't read my own health bar or it's some UI error?
My question is do you work for Zenimax? Why are you defending something that is broken?
Furthurmore, I have VD
Listing who you play with doesn't make your point more relevant or accurate....
Videos or other actual evidence does.0 -
Mauz✭✭✭I am sorry but it is you who is spreading misinformation. Every single piece of evidence published so far was disproved.
Unless you can produce new evidence, this whole issue is just one big hoax caused by misinterpreting another bug (health bar desync).
The question is: why don't they fix it? Shouldn't be that hard...0 -
leepalmer95✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭There was a video like week ago where 2 guys were doing the test. If i remember correct guy with VD was spaming burning embers for like 1.5-2k dmg, but when the other guy went down to 20-25% of his HP he just blew up. They counted how much dmg was done and came to conclusion that it's actuall VD that killed him. There was also talk that they did it with LAs to but in that case it didn't proc. At first i also thought that it's just UI bug, but now im almost certain it procs early.
The guys hp bar also said he had 124 hp left despite the fact he was dead.
That was a clear case of hp desync.PS4 EU DC
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Nilmot✭✭✭Crom_CCCXVI wrote: »Do you play PS4?
I do in PvP almost every day.... should I know you? I run with Cravality, Mourningstar, Raidersof Cyrodil. I was on Scourge all weekend, you know when red and yellow fought for like 8 hours between Arrius and Sejanus? Were you there for any of that? I lead some of these groups, I'm not known as a liar so your response is insulting.
Furhturmore, Hardcore PVP groups aren't even debating it anymore. They are putting their stamina builds in VD gear now;. The only debates they are having about VD is whether or not a DOT still procs VD if someone else makes the killing blow. So now you have DK's with VD running around setting everyone on fire for 10secs while others get the kill shots trying to see if they explode?
The only place this is even debated is in these forums- by people who probably don't play enough PvP to have such certain opinions.
I didn't take the screen shot, because we were too busy discussing that Siege weapons were proc'ing viscious death and that was more shocking than the fact the damage didn't come close to my health (since that happens frequently). The fact it was clearly a single bolt was the point.
I just told you I was hit by a single ballista bolt, and VD proc'd.... 2 things on the entire death screen. There is no error there.
You want to call me a liar? Claim I can't read my own health bar or it's some UI error?
My question is do you work for Zenimax? Why are you defending something that is broken?
Furthurmore, I have VD
Listing who you play with doesn't make your point more relevant or accurate....
Videos or other actual evidence does.
Maybe you didn't hear the man. He said he PVPs a lot. With people.3 -
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Mordiez✭✭✭OP did no testing, there are vids on this forum of it proccing early in 1v1s shoulda used search tool before posting bs thread.Edited by Mordiez on May 17, 2016 4:20AM0 -
Sharee✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭OP did no testing, there are vids on this forum of it proccing early in 1v1s shoulda used search tool before posting bs thread.
The vids do not show it proccing early, they show a health desync, as evidenced by the clearly bugged HP bar still showing life left when the guy is supposed to be dead.1 -
Mordiez✭✭✭OP did no testing, there are vids on this forum of it proccing early in 1v1s shoulda used search tool before posting bs thread.
The vids do not show it proccing early, they show a health desync, as evidenced by the clearly bugged HP bar still showing life left when the guy is supposed to be dead.
They in fact do.0 -
Sunburnt_Penguin✭✭✭✭✭
I have a few videos of it showing as proccing early. However, when I've actually done the math (you know, the way to actually test it?) it in fact does not proc early and I'm already dead when the animation shows up.OP did no testing, there are vids on this forum of it proccing early in 1v1s shoulda used search tool before posting bs thread.
The vids do not show it proccing early, they show a health desync, as evidenced by the clearly bugged HP bar still showing life left when the guy is supposed to be dead.
They in fact do.
Have you done any testing yourself or are you just going off visual experience and videos that 'prove' the bug without providing any other information?1 -
bowmanz607✭✭✭✭✭
✭It is definitely bugged and I can confirm this. I was fighting a magicka nightblade by myself with no one around me, he got through my shields and cc'ed me (i had no stamina left after a long fight) and then I got hit by 2 abilities which I could see not just in death recap, i had full 20k health and he hit me with Proxy Det & Vicious Death at the same time 1 hitting me literally. Everyone saying it's working as intended is all the noobs that go around with proxy det & vicious death build that have no skill at all and they know it's broken but just don't want to admit it.
Nope. Would you call syoher a noob. He tested it live stream.Crom_CCCXVI wrote: »I have a video from today, about 1 hour ago.
3 clean hits with Wrecking blow about 5k each, 1 heavy attack like 3500..
Then VD goes off for 12K.
I have just under 30K health.
Watched it several times, there are clearly only 4 strikes before the explosion.
If I can figure out how to put it on youtube later today I will.
Would love to see it.psychotic13 wrote: »There's a video in another thread, it does proc early, when you're at 20% health according to this
That video was also critiqued and likely was a health designs on one shown test that didn't even start till the player was at like 30% health. That video raised more questions than it provided answers.Crom_CCCXVI wrote: »It broken 100%. People need to stop "guessing" and just listen.
Saturday, I am trying to flag a keep in scourge. When wham, dead. I am by myself.
Cold Fire Ballista. 16500k damage
Viscious Death 8000k damage
I had just over 23000 health.
This isn't a UI error. This isn't a text glich. Viscious Death is going off while your still alive. On PS4 anyway.
This is 100% certain. So please stop spreading misinformation. It is broken or very inaccurately worded. End of Debate
Your spreading the misinformation. Ya thanks though.Crom_CCCXVI wrote: »Do you play PS4?
I do in PvP almost every day.... should I know you? I run with Cravality, Mourningstar, Raidersof Cyrodil. I was on Scourge all weekend, you know when red and yellow fought for like 8 hours between Arrius and Sejanus? Were you there for any of that? I lead some of these groups, I'm not known as a liar so your response is insulting.
Furhturmore, Hardcore PVP groups aren't even debating it anymore. They are putting their stamina builds in VD gear now;. The only debates they are having about VD is whether or not a DOT still procs VD if someone else makes the killing blow. So now you have DK's with VD running around setting everyone on fire for 10secs while others get the kill shots trying to see if they explode?
The only place this is even debated is in these forums- by people who probably don't play enough PvP to have such certain opinions.
I didn't take the screen shot, because we were too busy discussing that Siege weapons were proc'ing viscious death and that was more shocking than the fact the damage didn't come close to my health (since that happens frequently). The fact it was clearly a single bolt was the point.
I just told you I was hit by a single ballista bolt, and VD proc'd.... 2 things on the entire death screen. There is no error there.
You want to call me a liar? Claim I can't read my own health bar or it's some UI error?
My question is do you work for Zenimax? Why are you defending something that is broken?
Furthurmore, I have VD
Maybe your "hard core" players need to get informed. Provide proof. Hmmm...you have none. Imagine that.OP did no testing, there are vids on this forum of it proccing early in 1v1s shoulda used search tool before posting bs thread.
There 8s 9ne video which showed one test which was a health desync. Please point to another video. Tlthe other very few videos on this forum that claim to show it pricing early when slowed down established that it was not pricing early. In fact in one or two of them the op admitted as much and apologized.0 -
bowmanz607✭✭✭✭✭
✭Hey haters. Stop posting words on a screen saying believe my stories when I tell you because I play with Hardcore players that know stuff and trust me it happened once to me. The video evidence establishes that it in facts procs correctly. There is one video with the tail end of one test which seems a lot like a health desync given the remaining health when the player is dead that is the only evidence that one could point to to say it is proccing early.
Get over yourself. You guys are dieing to a properly working set and nothing more. L2p and get informed.
I would love to see some video evidence proving that the set does proc early. I really would. You know one with a proper testing that has more than one tail end test. Perhaps a video that uses different abilities etc and with no health desync.1 -
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