Personally I would like either a Elk Mount, or a Rhinoceros Mount.

They said that it would never be released again I'm afraid so you are not likely to get it. The same thing happened with the beta the people who took part in the PC beta got a monkey pet and the people that did the PS4 beta did not get a monkey.

I endured PC play waiting for console release so I have the tiger on PS4 and it is glorious. Personally I agree with you that it isn't really fair that console players that waited don't have a chance to get it. I'd have no problem with them offerring the same loyalty program on PS4. If you were a subscriber for the first 12 months on console you can have the tiger.

I think this one is the next senche we will be getting

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/245177/data-mining-new-crown-store-items-and-loading-screens-from-2-3-0/p1

Again, this is the challenge of having Different Release dates for Different Platforms. You've created the "I've been here since the game was ____." And the "For reasons beyond my control I didn't have the opportunity/access to ___" We both fall under different categories. That doesn't mean a segregation needs to remain in place. We're passionate about the game as proven by the fact you and I are discussing it right now.

You along with all owners of the Striped Senche/Lion have the PRESTIGE of earning that baby, and that's impressive. However, I'm not saying let me buy it outright - let me EARN it with 300+ days of subscription. That way, I still have to put in the financial and physical effort that Day One PC players had to.

If they wanted to Crown Store the Striped Senche/Lion - I'd say give the Day One PC players a special Accessory for the mount to again differentiate that it took unique circumstances to acquire.

It was available on console, if you were willing to cash out a PC subscription from day one and then pay for the console transfer. That was your €300+ ticket for "earning" it I'm afraid. Sucks that you pre-ordered instead, but there are plenty of other collectibles that were never made available on console either, and this one has purposefully been made exclusive for a very specific reason. I think it's safe to say you won't be seeing it in the Crown Store.

Be happy you got the beautiful leopard senche at least. Much better skin in my opinion.

TheTwistedRune wrote: »

The Loyalty Senche was a reward for those who had subbed for the 300+ days or so. Those of us who did sub at that time did not get any crowns or bonus in game buffs for subbing that console owners will have received by being an ESO+ member since console launch.

I don't see how you think you are being "shafted". You have already received your perks for being an ESO+ subscriber. The tiger was a gift for those of us who propped up the game when it was a mess and basically a paid beta. And IMO we are the only ones who are entitled to it.

Besides if they do what you are requesting they would then have to appease PC owners who have been an ESO+ subscriber since its inception. And that would defeat the object of introducing the Loyalty Senche in the first place.

The entitlement is strong with this one; get off your high horse/tiger. A 16-month pre-order is a long time to support a game in advance; if it had been me, I'd honestly have been looking for a refund for failing to deliver before that time had passed. I see no problem with offering early console players/preorders something for their loyalty, and this is a reward that was offered for similar dedication on PC.

But seriously, I have to shake my head in astonishment at the arrogance and selfishness of some players!

Blackbird71 wrote: »

But seriously, I have to shake my head in astonishment at the arrogance and selfishness of some players!

Wouldn't that apply to people begging for a mount in an online game that was made specifically to be an exclusive for those players who supported the game from the beginning?

DerAlleinTiger wrote: »

Blackbird71 wrote: »

But seriously, I have to shake my head in astonishment at the arrogance and selfishness of some players!

Wouldn't that apply to people begging for a mount in an online game that was made specifically to be an exclusive for those players who supported the game from the beginning?

Where did I say I demand the mount? It should be mine and no one else'? That Zenimax owes me? Perhaps a dictionary will enlighten you on what the word "entitled" means

Ragnar_The_Red wrote: »

DerAlleinTiger wrote: »

Blackbird71 wrote: »

But seriously, I have to shake my head in astonishment at the arrogance and selfishness of some players!

Wouldn't that apply to people begging for a mount in an online game that was made specifically to be an exclusive for those players who supported the game from the beginning?

Where did I say I demand the mount? It should be mine and no one else'? That Zenimax owes me? Perhaps a dictionary will enlighten you on what the word "entitled" means

Entitled
Adjective
Believing oneself to be inherently deserving of privileges or special treatment
From: http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/entitled

The tiger mount was an exclusive reward for PC players who stuck with the game and put in their time and money to keep it going when it was most in need. You didn't put in that time or money, but you want the exclusive mount. You didn't have the prerequisites to earn the mount, and so you think you should get it anyway by being treated to it in a way that was not intended from the start (one might say in a special way).

Hmmmmmm.

For the record, I'd have been alright if it was a matter of people earning it in a very similar way. But then character judgements were thrown around at the people who were pointing out that it had its prerequisites known for a while that were available to anyone to complete.

IMHO ..... the loyalty reward should not be released again. It is not fair to the players that earned it. I did not play on PC, so I do not have the loyalty reward but I wished I did. That is my fault for not playing on the PC when I could of.

I understand the dilemma of pre-ordering the XB1 version and having to wait for release. I also waited a long time for the XB1 release but did not pre-order that far in advance as I was not going to pre-order a game with no release date announced. I have seen games canceled like Stargate Worlds.

Regardless of the reasons for not playing on the PC version, it is not ZOS fault you did not play on the PC. Everyone had the option to play on the PC before the XB1 release. They even offered an account transfer from the PC to XB1 when it was released, yes they did charge $20.

The reason being you did not have a PC is not ZOS's fault. In our time frame, who does not have access to computer. I do sympathize with those in the military that don't have this access because they are away serving our country. Then again, it was a choice you made which I thank you for every night in my prayers.

This loyalty reward was for those player that did play on the PC and endured all the issues, bugs, etc and continued to pay/subscribe each month. If the main concern is why you do not have this loyalty reward is because you pre-ordered and waited, waited & waited for the XB1 release. Maybe the issue/topic should be there should be a different loyalty reward for those who pre-order and waiting for the XB1 release.

I could make a issue/topic that I deserve the same loyalty reward for the long wait I had waiting for the game to be released on the XB1. It would be a logical post. Do I deserve ..... NO!

In closing ..... why take away loyalty reward from people that clearly earned & deserved it ....

DerAlleinTiger wrote: »

Ragnar_The_Red wrote: »

DerAlleinTiger wrote: »

Ragnar_The_Red wrote: »

DerAlleinTiger wrote: »

Blackbird71 wrote: »

But seriously, I have to shake my head in astonishment at the arrogance and selfishness of some players!

Wouldn't that apply to people begging for a mount in an online game that was made specifically to be an exclusive for those players who supported the game from the beginning?

Where did I say I demand the mount? It should be mine and no one else'? That Zenimax owes me? Perhaps a dictionary will enlighten you on what the word "entitled" means

Entitled
Adjective
Believing oneself to be inherently deserving of privileges or special treatment
From: http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/entitled

The tiger mount was an exclusive reward for PC players who stuck with the game and put in their time and money to keep it going when it was most in need. You didn't put in that time or money, but you want the exclusive mount. You didn't have the prerequisites to earn the mount, and so you think you should get it anyway by being treated to it in a way that was not intended from the start (one might say in a special way).

Hmmmmmm.

For the record, I'd have been alright if it was a matter of people earning it in a very similar way. But then character judgements were thrown around at the people who were pointing out that it had its prerequisites known for a while that were available to anyone to complete.

...Again you're missing the point and picking out what makes you feel special. I would love the chance to EARN it. not HAVE IT outright. I predict you find ways of taking exception to a video of a happy puppy playing with a box ... the carpet has a stain on it.. but they deserve it, i use pre staining on mine so they deserved to have the grape juice stain forever.

Well, I mean, not counting that 'having it forever' part, that's kind of how the world works. Anyone could put on that pre-staining and so if they chose not to and they get the stain then I guess they get the stain, don't they? I won't say that they deserve to have it, but I'd say it's certainly deserving of someone who put on something to prevent stains to not get those stains! You could have had the mount had you done the thing that allowed you to earn the mount in the first place - that very thing that they said would need to be done to get the mount and, surprise, is the thing that needed to be done to get the mount! You didn't do that thing needed to get the mount, so you didn't get it!

I honestly don't know how much clearer and logical it could be put. You complete a prerequisite before the deadline to get something. If you don't complete that prerequisite before the deadline, you don't get that something. Should I go up to my professor three weeks after my assignment's due and say "Hey, I know I'm three weeks late and I could have done this assignment on-time since it was given to me at the same time as everyone else, but can I get an A instead of an F? I didn't want to do it then but I want to get an A like the other guy who did it on time."

Just as a note, it's generally easier to get some sympathy from people when you don't call them entitled and/or support the notion of them being entitled; and for someone who's supposedly not demanding to get the mount, you take great offense to people who are either indifferent or leaning on the other side of keeping it exclusive to its original prerequisites.

Your home work assignment point. Again, invalid interpreting. If it was available on console and I missed it. Then that would rightly be 100% my own fault. It would be comparing them changing an arranged interview date (Console release getting delayed. To now you're out of town and the interview took place without you. Then you calling or speaking to their manager stating what transpired and that you would LOVE the OPPORTUNITY to show you what you can do - aka not DEMANDING it. So again, you're lying about me claiming to be "entitled". Entitled is DEMANDING something and DEMANDING preferential treatment. I stated I'd love the OPPORTUNITY to earn it as it would improve the quality of life of the game for me. No where do I take offense to people saying too bad so sad. What I'm disappointed at, is your false claims of me acting "entitled" by me saying how awesome it would be to have the chance to earn something that I previously didn't have the chance because not everyone has a computer. (me at the time of it's release). If you were debating with facts as opposed to synical opinion, I'd genuinely respect your opinion.

Just a note, I appreciate everyone's feedback on here even the ones saying too bad Alex Trebec in a Sean Connery voice. I am just amused by you picking and choosing what you want to see and creating a falsehood. You'd make a fantastic journalist.

Curragraigue wrote: »

DerAlleinTiger wrote: »

Ragnar_The_Red wrote: »

DerAlleinTiger wrote: »

Ragnar_The_Red wrote: »

DerAlleinTiger wrote: »

Blackbird71 wrote: »

But seriously, I have to shake my head in astonishment at the arrogance and selfishness of some players!

Wouldn't that apply to people begging for a mount in an online game that was made specifically to be an exclusive for those players who supported the game from the beginning?

Where did I say I demand the mount? It should be mine and no one else'? That Zenimax owes me? Perhaps a dictionary will enlighten you on what the word "entitled" means

Entitled
Adjective
Believing oneself to be inherently deserving of privileges or special treatment
From: http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/entitled

The tiger mount was an exclusive reward for PC players who stuck with the game and put in their time and money to keep it going when it was most in need. You didn't put in that time or money, but you want the exclusive mount. You didn't have the prerequisites to earn the mount, and so you think you should get it anyway by being treated to it in a way that was not intended from the start (one might say in a special way).

Hmmmmmm.

For the record, I'd have been alright if it was a matter of people earning it in a very similar way. But then character judgements were thrown around at the people who were pointing out that it had its prerequisites known for a while that were available to anyone to complete.

...Again you're missing the point and picking out what makes you feel special. I would love the chance to EARN it. not HAVE IT outright. I predict you find ways of taking exception to a video of a happy puppy playing with a box ... the carpet has a stain on it.. but they deserve it, i use pre staining on mine so they deserved to have the grape juice stain forever.

Well, I mean, not counting that 'having it forever' part, that's kind of how the world works. Anyone could put on that pre-staining and so if they chose not to and they get the stain then I guess they get the stain, don't they? I won't say that they deserve to have it, but I'd say it's certainly deserving of someone who put on something to prevent stains to not get those stains! You could have had the mount had you done the thing that allowed you to earn the mount in the first place - that very thing that they said would need to be done to get the mount and, surprise, is the thing that needed to be done to get the mount! You didn't do that thing needed to get the mount, so you didn't get it!

I honestly don't know how much clearer and logical it could be put. You complete a prerequisite before the deadline to get something. If you don't complete that prerequisite before the deadline, you don't get that something. Should I go up to my professor three weeks after my assignment's due and say "Hey, I know I'm three weeks late and I could have done this assignment on-time since it was given to me at the same time as everyone else, but can I get an A instead of an F? I didn't want to do it then but I want to get an A like the other guy who did it on time."

Just as a note, it's generally easier to get some sympathy from people when you don't call them entitled and/or support the notion of them being entitled; and for someone who's supposedly not demanding to get the mount, you take great offense to people who are either indifferent or leaning on the other side of keeping it exclusive to its original prerequisites.

If you waited for the announcement of what to do for the tiger mount it would already have been to late to get it. You needed 300 days of subscription they gave around a month notice for the cutoff and you could only buy 6 months worth of subscription in advance. The only people that could get the tiger were people that had been subscribed for at least 3-4 months before the announcement.

I see your point it just isn't fair to say people waiting for console release had an opportunity to get the tiger when they announced it, they didn't. Only people that were playing the game already on PC did.

Actually, it was 300 PAID days. You could, theoretically, buy 300 days then and there and become eligible. I know a few friends who didn't do this exactly but bought several extra months to cover it to get the mount.

Ragnar_The_Red wrote: »

DerAlleinTiger wrote: »

Ragnar_The_Red wrote: »

DerAlleinTiger wrote: »

Ragnar_The_Red wrote: »

DerAlleinTiger wrote: »

Blackbird71 wrote: »

But seriously, I have to shake my head in astonishment at the arrogance and selfishness of some players!

Wouldn't that apply to people begging for a mount in an online game that was made specifically to be an exclusive for those players who supported the game from the beginning?

Where did I say I demand the mount? It should be mine and no one else'? That Zenimax owes me? Perhaps a dictionary will enlighten you on what the word "entitled" means

Entitled
Adjective
Believing oneself to be inherently deserving of privileges or special treatment
From: http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/entitled

The tiger mount was an exclusive reward for PC players who stuck with the game and put in their time and money to keep it going when it was most in need. You didn't put in that time or money, but you want the exclusive mount. You didn't have the prerequisites to earn the mount, and so you think you should get it anyway by being treated to it in a way that was not intended from the start (one might say in a special way).

Hmmmmmm.

For the record, I'd have been alright if it was a matter of people earning it in a very similar way. But then character judgements were thrown around at the people who were pointing out that it had its prerequisites known for a while that were available to anyone to complete.

...Again you're missing the point and picking out what makes you feel special. I would love the chance to EARN it. not HAVE IT outright. I predict you find ways of taking exception to a video of a happy puppy playing with a box ... the carpet has a stain on it.. but they deserve it, i use pre staining on mine so they deserved to have the grape juice stain forever.

Well, I mean, not counting that 'having it forever' part, that's kind of how the world works. Anyone could put on that pre-staining and so if they chose not to and they get the stain then I guess they get the stain, don't they? I won't say that they deserve to have it, but I'd say it's certainly deserving of someone who put on something to prevent stains to not get those stains! You could have had the mount had you done the thing that allowed you to earn the mount in the first place - that very thing that they said would need to be done to get the mount and, surprise, is the thing that needed to be done to get the mount! You didn't do that thing needed to get the mount, so you didn't get it!

I honestly don't know how much clearer and logical it could be put. You complete a prerequisite before the deadline to get something. If you don't complete that prerequisite before the deadline, you don't get that something. Should I go up to my professor three weeks after my assignment's due and say "Hey, I know I'm three weeks late and I could have done this assignment on-time since it was given to me at the same time as everyone else, but can I get an A instead of an F? I didn't want to do it then but I want to get an A like the other guy who did it on time."

Just as a note, it's generally easier to get some sympathy from people when you don't call them entitled and/or support the notion of them being entitled; and for someone who's supposedly not demanding to get the mount, you take great offense to people who are either indifferent or leaning on the other side of keeping it exclusive to its original prerequisites.

Your home work assignment point. Again, invalid interpreting. If it was available on console and I missed it. Then that would rightly be 100% my own fault. It would be comparing them changing an arranged interview date (Console release getting delayed. To now you're out of town and the interview took place without you. Then you calling or speaking to their manager stating what transpired and that you would LOVE the OPPORTUNITY to show you what you can do - aka not DEMANDING it. So again, you're lying about me claiming to be "entitled". Entitled is DEMANDING something and DEMANDING preferential treatment. I stated I'd love the OPPORTUNITY to earn it as it would improve the quality of life of the game for me. No where do I take offense to people saying too bad so sad. What I'm disappointed at, is your false claims of me acting "entitled" by me saying how awesome it would be to have the chance to earn something that I previously didn't have the chance because not everyone has a computer. (me at the time of it's release). If you were debating with facts as opposed to synical opinion, I'd genuinely respect your opinion.

Just a note, I appreciate everyone's feedback on here even the ones saying too bad Alex Trebec in a Sean Connery voice. I am just amused by you picking and choosing what you want to see and creating a falsehood. You'd make a fantastic journalist.

I originally said nothing about anyone in particular and in fact wasn't even replying to you. I was replying to Blackbird71 who somehow managed to figure out everyone's character through the Internet that they're simply entitled, selfish, and arrogant if they believe that an exclusive reward should remain exclusive to those it was awarded to. Fired back with a mirrored example of people who'd demand the exclusive reward, given the stage was set for extremes. Yet never did I refer to you or your specific request. Never did I mention anyone else in the thread but Blackbird71.

Someone else made a comment exaggerating the responses, I made a retort, you took exception as if it were made to you. I don't know about spinning any narratives myself, but...

Perhaps I should have stated it sooner I had only the intentions of replying to that particular comment, and I'm not too proud to admit that. I should have explained it sooner. I found the sudden aggressive defensiveness off-putting and wound up getting caught up in replying to that. But I should have just stopped it there and explained. Absolutely admit to it.

I had a lot more typed up, but forget it. I'm not going to bother. You snarked at me about looking up the definition of 'entitled' and yet you completely ignore when I actually do present the definition by Oxford dictionary. Nowhere in the definition did I find the word 'demand' or the necessity of there being actual 'demands.' Only beliefs that special treatment is deserved or should happen.

I leave it at that. I made my original point long ago, even without your intervention. I won't be woven into your narrative any further (yeah, I can make accusations of narrative spinning too). I'm rather amused by the attempts to do so as well given the quote trail is there for all to see, as well as the blatant ignorance of my proof against your assertion that it's not entitlement without demands by the very words demand, demands, or demanding. Oxford disagrees; you can take it up with them at this point. I won't bother.

First off, if they offered the tiger under the same conditions as it was previously earned, then I wouldn't object. And I see that there are those willing to earn it in a similar fashion.

However, several points to consider:

1. This was a one-time offer for those who had paid for 300 days. This basically eliminated a lot of players who weren't able to subscribe every month, or who had joined late. They did allow people to extend their subscriptions, but at most, that's 6 months, so some people were still out of luck. Thus, this was really designed as a rather exclusive loyalty reward. So, it's not just a matter of 300 paid days, but a reward for those who stuck by them all the time it was a subscription-only model.

2. This loyalty pet wasn't known that far in advance, so it's not like people could really prepare for it. If it had been known earlier, perhaps more people could have received it by not letting their subscription lapse, for example. This made it that much more difficult to obtain, and added to its exclusivity. Thus, making it less likely for console players to have gotten in on the deal (I did, but mainly 'cuz my husband was going to play on PC and I wanted to play with him, so I decided to start early on the PC).

3. The console transfer exposed the tiger to a wider audience, causing potentially more outcry over not being able to get it. If there was no transfer, then at least the outcry would only be limited to new PC players. (NB: I'm glad of the transfer, and I'm most certainly guilty of increasing the desire for this mount by riding around on it.)

Basically, the exclusivity of the mount isn't just a matter of paying for 300 days of subscription, but supporting the game the entire time it was on PC. This made it difficult even for PC players to get it. Thus, opening it up again to anyone (PC or console), who's happened to pay for 300 days, does cheapen it a little - THOUGH I AM PERFECTLY FINE WITH IT BEING AWARDED AGAIN. I would like it to be awarded for 300 CONSECUTIVE days of ESO+ and have ZOS clearly announce that they were going to do this, with a clear start/end date (or awarded retroactively for those who already have done so), and a one-time only deal. But, if it were awarded for any point in time when someone did pay for 300 consecutive days, then that would be ok, too.