No choice regarding one's character should be 100% permanent.

Sogreth · May 2016

dtm_samuraib16_ESO wrote: »

Sogreth wrote: »

dtm_samuraib16_ESO wrote: »

Bringing such in would undo the very essence of that ESO is about

If that was the case, then it would never have been added in Skyrim.

There really is no reason to not let players change minor details on their characters. And if you, or anyone else doesn't like the idea of a "barber shop" well, just don't use it. Just because a player has access to it, doesn't mean you're forced to use it, or even pay any attention to it.

Fair enough, it was in Skyrim.
However, this is ESO, hardly Elder Scrolls.

Aside: where does one draw the line?
Is it OK to take a new hairstyle?
Would it be nice to get a moustache?
Hmmm, maybe I'd like to change the colour of my eyes.
While we're at it, let's fix our boobs and bum.

Thing is: Elder Scrolls, in my knowledge, had nothing like a plastic surgeon.
Could be wrong, maybe they use magicka to "weed out flaws", who knows?

But once you change the thing you are, being it a Nord, a South, a kitten or a toad, it stops being you.
It ends being what you made.
Some Gods will not be pleased, I am sure.

You were made as they see you, imperfections and all.

Hardly Elder Scroll? .....Okay.

You DO realize, this IS a fantasy game. With Lizard and Cat people. And magic and demons and giant crabs that drop swords. So before we go into where we draw the line, perhaps we take a second to actually remember that this is a game. And, going back to my earlier post. If you don't like the idea of changing hair/face/ect, then don't use it. What I want to do/change with my own character doesn't effect your gameplay at all.

I think you should be more worried about the players that RP "out of the box" than minor changes others want to change on their characters.

Funkopotamus · May 2016

Your choices should matter. Maybe ZOS could add a barber shop if only in the Crown Store I would be okay with it.

But changing race/Alliance/ or Class should require REROLLING!

Just because your class is not the "Flavor of the month" does not mean you should be able to change over to the OP class of the month sorry.

Sogreth · May 2016

Funkopotamus wrote: »

Your choices should matter. Maybe ZOS could add a barber shop if only in the Crown Store I would be okay with it.

But changing race/Alliance/ or Class should require REROLLING!

Just because your class is not the "Flavor of the month" does not mean you should be able to change over to the OP class of the month sorry.

I think it should only be in the Crown Store too. But we should be able to change Race, along with any other appearance on our characters.

Faction and Class should be a "No". Nothing wrong with changing race though.

usrevenge · May 2016

other than alliance changes all this stuff should have been in the game already.

even alliance changes with some work could be fair, the problem is I think people would all go dominion or ebonheart since they already outnumber everyone else.

rerolling wouldn't be so bad though if leveling wouldn't take so long. i just came back to the game after about a year of not playing and wanted to start fresh.

maybe they should make it so if you hit vet 1 you get bonus XP for new characters so it isn't such a chore.

dtm_samuraib16_ESO · May 2016

Sogreth wrote: »

Hardly Elder Scroll? .....Okay.

You DO realize, this IS a fantasy game. With Lizard and Cat people. And magic and demons and giant crabs that drop swords.

Yes, which should have been somewhat based upon lore.
But, I fail to get your point?

As for RP'ers RP'ing out of the box, well...
I can't go to them at home and... uhm... *this ones thinks carefully how to write next part, as he is not eager to step on a ZoS toe...* have a chat with him.

Where we can "control" the game, one cannot control the people on it.
But I wonder what this has to do with barber shops and the like?

Electroheadz · May 2016

Can You smell that ? It must be a stench of a burning witch cause after reading some comments here i feel like we're back into dark ages again.

"Your choices should matter ! You cannot change Your face it's not moral ! There were no plastic surgeons in Elder Scrolls !" it sounds quite...creepy. I mean, how "miserable" Your real life must be for You to worry about someone changing his virtual character face model or race ?

I must say im also really surprised there was no riot against Crown Store Riding Lessons. I mean, You can actually pay real money for something that requires so much time and systematic effort to get maxed ?! GODS ! THAT SHOULD BE FORBIDDEN !

And the most funny thing about all of this ?

After VR removal all You'll really need to do is grind from 1 to 50 and probably get both guild at rank 10. If You can get Yourself some exp scrolls and stack it with ambrosia You can easily do all of it during one weekend soooo....yeah, class/race/alliance change scrolls really wouldn't be much of a deal.

Eirikir · May 2016

Sogreth wrote: »

Volkodav wrote: »

Sogreth wrote: »

Eirikir wrote: »

Normally I dislike changing things. I feel face and name changes lead to abuse and trolling imho.

That said I agree with the op, in this game we should be allowed because game mechanics shift so dramatically it is unfair not to allow some flexibility.

Name? Sure. I can see that happening. Someone gives themselves a bad reputation, so they change their name. But face? How does that make sense?

Honestly, all they would have to do is allow Ignoring to transfer over if that player gets a name change. For example, some guy named Billy-Bob- Poohead is a huge troll, gets ignored by many people, and changes his name to Fiona, it should still have that player on ignore.

Sometimes you grow out of the character you created and want to update it's looks.Nothing wrong with that.

Umm...The guy I was quoting said people will use face changes to abuse and troll. I'm not against a "barber shop"

Actually I was giving my opinion which I don't people over the head with usually (I keep it to myself), but agree that this game is the exception to that opinion.

DocFrost72 · May 2016

Artis wrote: »

DocFrost72 wrote: »

Race change, no. Racial PASSIVES change, definately. Not every bosmer is good with a bow, not every orc is a warrior, not every altmer wears a dress (just the males =P).

Appearence change- Are there people that even oppose this? Legitimately.

Looks like you are one of them. If you can change racial passives, race becomes just one more slider in the appearance choice. And you say no to changing it.

There's always one that can't read. Changing race doesn't solve the issue that every Sorcerer is a freaking altmer or breton. Every DK is a dunmer or imperial, and every nightblade is a Khajiit or bosmer. (Obviously every is hyperbole, just want to clarify that for you)

Why take away choice when we can add it? Or did you genuinely not get what I meant when I said "Race no, racial passives yes"

Inklings · May 2016

People who are yelling reroll obviously don't have 8 vr16 all with maxed out horses and 50 in every crafting tree. The people barking reroll didn't have the game drastically change on them after all that work was put into eight characters. It's time to offer race changes, and it's coming soon. No way ZoS is going to miss out on the money they can make from it.

GoodFella146 · May 2016

I can see why a racial change might seem a little silly, but things like alliance, name, and class should all be changeable.

I can change my name in real life, that's easy.

I can change my profession in real life (so why not class), that's harder but doable.

I can play with all my faction's ppl and decide I hate all the ppl there, thus then decide to fight for the other side because of how much I dislike them (I've heard ppl do this a LOT), that's very realistic.

So....

These should all be changeable. And hell since the game has magic, I'm not even so opposed to racial changes anyway though I would have the most reservations about that one.

It's a game and not everybody has 4309603476046423097 hours to reroll, so let me do what I want (hell I'll even pay you ZOS!). Lol

magnusthorek · May 2016

I would be very happy with the race change / barber shop, but a class change, specially one that remember the level of each class skill (so we didn't have to level all of them each change), would be totally awesome!

And there are no problems with lore, not only for the reason already exposed, but also because the the class is nothing more than a bunch of skills. If you learned to rock with magicka and became a Sorcerer, (lol), why you can't learn more and become a Priest (Templar)?

It's also like real life. If you see yourself unemployed and can't find any job in the area of your main expertise, will you stay unemployed, or will you find something else, maybe learning a new profession?

AlnilamE · May 2016

newtinmpls wrote: »

Azurephoenix999 wrote: »

The one thing I absolutely hate in this game is how once you've made your character, there are a few crucial choices that you're not allowed to return to.
You come to regret the race you've chosen later down the line? "reroll [Snip]".

Your character has a goofy hairstyle? "Lol, just roll an alt".

Your class gets screwed over in the most recent update and you want to play as a different one? "start a new character."

Your character's name no longer appeals to you? "Just make a new one!"

Your friends are all in a different alliance and you want to play with them outside of a group delve or trial? "REROLL!"

I disagree.

Yes, part of my reasoning is "it's an MMORPG" - and that is based on the fact that stuff changes. Different "best" or "FOTM" things will happen at different times. The challenge is to adapt . This addresses the race/class/"screwed" stuff.

Hairstyle - well we are all waiting for the "Barbershop"TM

Playing with friends? Did you or they some how not know what alliance the other was in? Seems silly. OTOH part of why some folks are here is to make new friends. Stretch comfort zones a bit. I think that can be good.

Name...I put thought into my character names. Why would I want to change them. Someone who has characters named "Pack mule" or "storage alt", well....that was their choice.

Holds-Green-Fish carries his name with pride!

That said, I'm ok with appearance and name changes.

Race, possibly. With a long cooldown. Like a year before you can change it again.

Alliance, in order not to mess up the system, only for characters who have done all the zone quests in bronze/silver/gold.

Class, I don't know. How would this apply to class skills? would you get full XP for skills you never used in the characters life? Or would all class lines start at level 1 and you'd keep only the other lines? That would make sense.

And what happens in two months when you figure out that the class you changed too wasn't as green as it looked from your side of the fence? Will you want to change back?

I have 7 characters and all 4 classes. I can "reroll" whenever I feel like playing someone different. I think that is much better than having to go through all these changes.

Blevil · May 2016

Rerolling wouldn't be so bad if we just transferred all crafting progress and skyshards. for me, those took the most time. If I have to start from literally scratch, forget it.

Junkogen · May 2016

dtm_samuraib16_ESO wrote: »

Sogreth wrote: »

dtm_samuraib16_ESO wrote: »

Bringing such in would undo the very essence of that ESO is about

If that was the case, then it would never have been added in Skyrim.

There really is no reason to not let players change minor details on their characters. And if you, or anyone else doesn't like the idea of a "barber shop" well, just don't use it. Just because a player has access to it, doesn't mean you're forced to use it, or even pay any attention to it.

Fair enough, it was in Skyrim.
However, this is ESO, hardly Elder Scrolls.

Aside: where does one draw the line?
Is it OK to take a new hairstyle?
Would it be nice to get a moustache?
Hmmm, maybe I'd like to change the colour of my eyes.
While we're at it, let's fix our boobs and bum.

Thing is: Elder Scrolls, in my knowledge, had nothing like a plastic surgeon.
Could be wrong, maybe they use magicka to "weed out flaws", who knows?

But once you change the thing you are, being it a Nord, a South, a kitten or a toad, it stops being you.
It ends being what you made.
Some Gods will not be pleased, I am sure.

You were made as they see you, imperfections and all.

Do you even Elder Scrolls, bro? Skyrim had an NPC named Galathil the face sculptor who would change your appearance for a fee. Elder Scrolls very much has something like a plastic surgeon.

craybest · May 2016

Appearance change is what I most want myself. I'm much better at sliders now, but I wasn't when I made my only character. and I have little time to play to start a whole new character just to make him prettier.

Lylith · May 2016

strikeback1247 wrote: »

Lylith wrote: »

a one time alliance change would have no effect on balance.

no reason it shouldn't be available.

How would this not affect balance? Imagine every PvP player using their one time alliance change to move to DC. That would wreck PvP. Perhaps a one time change pre level 20 could be reasonable.

no worries, i wouldn't change to dc if you paid me.

SlayerTheDragon · May 2016

I take days to finalize a new character, create, play, create, play until it is just right. Then I delete all the bad variations - that DELETE limit is a pain in the ass.

Duiwel · May 2016

ITT OP wants to be all races and all alliances on one character.

Did i mention with all hairstyles?

lathbury · May 2016

I think all character choices should be permanent

dodgehopper_ESO · May 2016

Someone mentioned the suggestion that because we have so many character slots we should have to level up different builds. That's one way of doing it, though to be honest I'd rather a system like Secret World where my one character can do everything, but just not all at once. In other words, what you slot and choose would determine what you are. Its an idea not popular with everyone, but given racial passives you'd still have a reason to make alts. I'd love to be like a hero of a previous TES game that can do everything (but limited by the gear on hand).

AlnilamE · May 2016

Blevil wrote: »

Rerolling wouldn't be so bad if we just transferred all crafting progress and skyshards. for me, those took the most time. If I have to start from literally scratch, forget it.

Not sure why you'd need to transfer crafting progress? Rerolling doesn't mean deleting your previous character. If you don't want to play them in combat anymore, just keep them as a crafter?

And skyshards are not that hard to get. It's part of the leveling process anyway.

strikeback1247 · May 2016

Lylith wrote: »

strikeback1247 wrote: »

Lylith wrote: »

a one time alliance change would have no effect on balance.

no reason it shouldn't be available.

How would this not affect balance? Imagine every PvP player using their one time alliance change to move to DC. That would wreck PvP. Perhaps a one time change pre level 20 could be reasonable.

no worries, i wouldn't change to dc if you paid me.

Good boy

OrphanHelgen · May 2016

Im stuck with an ugly old orc, because all my achievements are on him. 1/3 into master angler, former emp, flawless conq, tamriel hero, all DLC achievements etc

craybest · May 2016

People forget this is a game and is supposed to be fun. Lore will always take a step back to gamelpay.
Many of us have little time to play, we have 1 or 2 jobs and family and real life. No one is asking to be able to get th best equipment in 1 week of play, but simple cosmetic stuff that doesn't give an advantage should not be hard to change.

khele23eb17_ESO · May 2016

dtm_samuraib16_ESO wrote: »

But once you change the thing you are, being it a Nord, a South, a kitten or a toad, it stops being you.
It ends being what you made.
Some Gods will not be pleased, I am sure.

I remember one of them, weird old *** smelling of cheese, giving me a magic stick and telling me to turn people into poultry with it. Thats not just a different race, but a different species altogether! Then another one of his kind, female this time, changed me so that wherever I went I would look like I belonged to the race inhabiting the area. So... I dunno, man.

But seriously, Ive always felt that after completing the gold zones you should be able to go back to Meridia and ask her to change you to a race of your choice. It would be perfectly fine with the lore established by the game.

nimander99 · May 2016

No choice regarding one's character should be 100% permanent.

Yeah, just like real life!

Elsterchen · May 2016

Electroheadz wrote: »

@Azurephoenix999 I agree with that all of these features should be available to us. The more options and freedom we have the better for us. And giving us these options at reasonable price will leave both sides, the devs and players happy.

And what about all those people that are against it ?

Well, it's quite easy to explain. You can split them into few groups. You either have a group of people that had to reroll multiple characters and they don't really care for You/Us since they already done it and are not in a need of such feature. It's called being an egoist.

The second group of people had probably done the same thing - rerolled a few times to fix their "mistakes". But their reason behind voting against it is that they envy the others will have an option to instantly do changes. Unlike our unfortunate group that had to put time and effort to achieve this.

Another one would be people that simply won't be able to or will not want to to pay extra money (considering that race change for example will be a crown store item) for it.

As for the group that screams: "PEOPLE WILL KEEP HOPPING TO FOTM". It's a dev job to avoid having such an imbalance in game so people won't "migrate" with each new patch. In reality we all know how most of the time that "balance" turns out, but should a player feel handicapped due to a game imperfections ? I'll leave that to answer for Yourself

So as You can see even thou we are all here to have some fun in virtual world, the difficulties we face are quite same as in everyday life. Majority of people You'll meet will be selfish, envious and stubborn mules that limit their vision only to one perspective.

BUT !

In regards to the topic - ability to change Your body/hair visuals is coming for sure as it was confirmed. And if You ask i'd say that race/class are coming here too sooner or later as it will a great way for ZoS to earn some more coin.

@Electroheadz Oh my ... you again

Hmm, you definately forgot the 3rd group those of us that never rerolled a character and do not see any need in doing so ... just out of curiosity... how would you call those?

Btw I think its really selfish, stuborn and dull to scream for a "I want to change this" and "i want to change that", because: I am not willing to think about what i got and what i can do with it. Or do you say people that "mess up" 8 characters are bright and visionary ?

... and, on top of all, instead of shamefully deleting their "failed" creations (and please note... I am not the one to judge that, everyone who wants to change XYZ on their character has done this judgement for the character they want to change already), they come to the forum and demand changes.

I do not think allowing changes makes these people any smarter in their choices... or is giving them a better experience.

Azurephoenix999 · May 2016

Elsterchen wrote: »

Electroheadz wrote: »

@Azurephoenix999 I agree with that all of these features should be available to us. The more options and freedom we have the better for us. And giving us these options at reasonable price will leave both sides, the devs and players happy.

And what about all those people that are against it ?

Well, it's quite easy to explain. You can split them into few groups. You either have a group of people that had to reroll multiple characters and they don't really care for You/Us since they already done it and are not in a need of such feature. It's called being an egoist.

The second group of people had probably done the same thing - rerolled a few times to fix their "mistakes". But their reason behind voting against it is that they envy the others will have an option to instantly do changes. Unlike our unfortunate group that had to put time and effort to achieve this.

Another one would be people that simply won't be able to or will not want to to pay extra money (considering that race change for example will be a crown store item) for it.

As for the group that screams: "PEOPLE WILL KEEP HOPPING TO FOTM". It's a dev job to avoid having such an imbalance in game so people won't "migrate" with each new patch. In reality we all know how most of the time that "balance" turns out, but should a player feel handicapped due to a game imperfections ? I'll leave that to answer for Yourself

So as You can see even thou we are all here to have some fun in virtual world, the difficulties we face are quite same as in everyday life. Majority of people You'll meet will be selfish, envious and stubborn mules that limit their vision only to one perspective.

BUT !

In regards to the topic - ability to change Your body/hair visuals is coming for sure as it was confirmed. And if You ask i'd say that race/class are coming here too sooner or later as it will a great way for ZoS to earn some more coin.

@Electroheadz Oh my ... you again

Hmm, you definately forgot the 3rd group those of us that never rerolled a character and do not see any need in doing so ... just out of curiosity... how would you call those?

Btw I think its really selfish, stuborn and dull to scream for a "I want to change this" and "i want to change that", because: I am not willing to think about what i got and what i can do with it. Or do you say people that "mess up" 8 characters are bright and visionary ?

... and, on top of all, instead of shamefully deleting their "failed" creations (and please note... I am not the one to judge that, everyone who wants to change XYZ on their character has done this judgement for the character they want to change already), they come to the forum and demand changes.

I do not think allowing changes makes these people any smarter in their choices... or is giving them a better experience.

"Look at me, I've invested 500+ hours into my main and want my main as a different class. There would be no problem for me if I could just change class like in some other MMO, but I can't.

I don't want to have to start again from the beginning because that means having to collect all the skyshards and lorebooks again, destroy all the dolmens again, regaining my rank in Cyrodiil, getting all of those rare fish, levelling up my crafting again (+ research), and redoing all of the dungeons.

But hey, I don't like the idea of doing all of that again, so I must be bloody stupid then, mustn't I!?"

Valrien · May 2016

dtm_samuraib16_ESO wrote: »

Sogreth wrote: »

dtm_samuraib16_ESO wrote: »

Bringing such in would undo the very essence of that ESO is about

If that was the case, then it would never have been added in Skyrim.

There really is no reason to not let players change minor details on their characters. And if you, or anyone else doesn't like the idea of a "barber shop" well, just don't use it. Just because a player has access to it, doesn't mean you're forced to use it, or even pay any attention to it.

Fair enough, it was in Skyrim.
However, this is ESO, hardly Elder Scrolls.

Aside: where does one draw the line?
Is it OK to take a new hairstyle?
Would it be nice to get a moustache?
Hmmm, maybe I'd like to change the colour of my eyes.
While we're at it, let's fix our boobs and bum.

Thing is: Elder Scrolls, in my knowledge, had nothing like a plastic surgeon.
Could be wrong, maybe they use magicka to "weed out flaws", who knows?

But once you change the thing you are, being it a Nord, a South, a kitten or a toad, it stops being you.
It ends being what you made.
Some Gods will not be pleased, I am sure.

You were made as they see you, imperfections and all.

Actually there was an NPC that allowed you to change your appearance in Skyrim. It was basically a plastic surgeon.

Elsterchen · May 2016

Azurephoenix999 wrote: »

Elsterchen wrote: »

Electroheadz wrote: »

@Azurephoenix999 I agree with that all of these features should be available to us. The more options and freedom we have the better for us. And giving us these options at reasonable price will leave both sides, the devs and players happy.

And what about all those people that are against it ?

Well, it's quite easy to explain. You can split them into few groups. You either have a group of people that had to reroll multiple characters and they don't really care for You/Us since they already done it and are not in a need of such feature. It's called being an egoist.

The second group of people had probably done the same thing - rerolled a few times to fix their "mistakes". But their reason behind voting against it is that they envy the others will have an option to instantly do changes. Unlike our unfortunate group that had to put time and effort to achieve this.

Another one would be people that simply won't be able to or will not want to to pay extra money (considering that race change for example will be a crown store item) for it.

As for the group that screams: "PEOPLE WILL KEEP HOPPING TO FOTM". It's a dev job to avoid having such an imbalance in game so people won't "migrate" with each new patch. In reality we all know how most of the time that "balance" turns out, but should a player feel handicapped due to a game imperfections ? I'll leave that to answer for Yourself

So as You can see even thou we are all here to have some fun in virtual world, the difficulties we face are quite same as in everyday life. Majority of people You'll meet will be selfish, envious and stubborn mules that limit their vision only to one perspective.

BUT !

In regards to the topic - ability to change Your body/hair visuals is coming for sure as it was confirmed. And if You ask i'd say that race/class are coming here too sooner or later as it will a great way for ZoS to earn some more coin.

@Electroheadz Oh my ... you again

Hmm, you definately forgot the 3rd group those of us that never rerolled a character and do not see any need in doing so ... just out of curiosity... how would you call those?

Btw I think its really selfish, stuborn and dull to scream for a "I want to change this" and "i want to change that", because: I am not willing to think about what i got and what i can do with it. Or do you say people that "mess up" 8 characters are bright and visionary ?

... and, on top of all, instead of shamefully deleting their "failed" creations (and please note... I am not the one to judge that, everyone who wants to change XYZ on their character has done this judgement for the character they want to change already), they come to the forum and demand changes.

I do not think allowing changes makes these people any smarter in their choices... or is giving them a better experience.

"Look at me, I've invested 500+ hours into my main and want my main as a different class. There would be no problem for me if I could just change class like in some other MMO, but I can't.

I don't want to have to start again from the beginning because that means having to collect all the skyshards and lorebooks again, destroy all the dolmens again, regaining my rank in Cyrodiil, getting all of those rare fish, levelling up my crafting again (+ research), and redoing all of the dungeons.

But hey, I don't like the idea of doing all of that again, so I must be bloody stupid then, mustn't I!?"

Actually, I think it is indeed bloody stupid to invest 500+ hours playing a class you do not want to play. Nobody forced you to do that. So why did you? And why do Zeni has to do something, because you decided to do such a stupid thing? Sorry, but what keeps you clinging to a character you do not like?

Above all, are you sure you will be happy with a class change? Why? Have you tried it? ... If so, why not play that character instead? If not, please remember there is no "I win" button, please stop asking for one.