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Why NB's are OP in 1 picture
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Lokey0024✭✭✭✭✭nordickittyhawk wrote: »
And what does it change that only one class got a way to gain major evasion from his class specific trees, if others can get the very same buff easily aswell? Its simply irrelevant in a game where you can pick from various skill lines and not only the class specific ones. Thats why I think a list of minor/major buffs each class cannot get by any way would be much more interesting, but it would certainly require a lot more work.
People keep acting like, "well you can just run weapon skills, so what does it matter, we get the same buff!"
I'll tell you exactly why it matters.
It's very relevant when 1 class gets options for these buffs through their class skills. Why? Because it allows for them to choose their weapons based on what they want to run instead of what they need to run.
A good example of this is NB's having ambush. A gap closer is fairly necessary for every person in Cyrodiil. So where as nb can look at the weapon lines and say, should I run DW for more damage? Or s&b for more tankiness, or 2h for rally? They always have that very viable class gap closer (ambush) which allows them to be more creative with their builds. Same goes for their single target. Other classes would kill for a stamina instant cast single target. Nb is the only class in the game that has these things at their disposal right within their class so of course that is fairly imbalanced.
I mean... templars have a spamable called jabs... yeah its a channel but its also conal. If you wanna talk about what classes have and what others dont. I dont see any stamina class dots on anything but a DK... weeeer wheres my nb stam dots WEEEEEER. better go make a post how classes are not the same.
This is a post you cant win jules.
If I can't win its not because I'm not right as much as it is that you are resistant to logic and/or you just don't know how to read.
Within nb class lines, for stam option skills they have:
An AOE
A single target
An ultimate
A gap closer
An execute
A buff that is also a damage proc
Dks:
An ultimate
2 dots
Templars:
A cc
An aoe
Sorcs:
A buff
An aoe
The fact that you would even have the audacity to propose that that's balanced is literally mind boggling.
Edit: I understand diversity just fine which I why I think classes like stam dk and stam Templar both have their own separate strengths and weaknesses but they off set one another. One has these things, the other has these. It's a balance despite them being different. With nb it is not a balance. It is, you guys have literally everything besides major mending and the rest of us have weapon lines to buff our largely incomplete classes.
Yeah? Go play the class that gets zero functional defensive abilities from their class (stam Nightblade) and then come back. You only listed the offensive abilities of each class (to fit your argument), and even of those only the following are used in PvP:
Surprise Attack
Ambush
(Relentless Focus)
In PvE:
Killer's Blade
(Relentless Focus)
Only reason they aren't used in pvp now is because they weren't scaling properly with mighty. A lot of them were magic damage. That all changes with DB.
But that's ok tho, bc nightblades got FOUR SKILL MORPHS changed this patch to scale nicely with mighty. So if you think that ppl won't run incap strike in pvp next patch, which you can deal 15k damage and deal every 15s maximum while in combat, I'm going to literally laugh at you. If you think people won't run power extraction, which gives major brutality and is disease damage so they can apply instant cast AOE health debuff, I'm going to laugh at you. Literally, look at everything you have and tell me you need more. You are seriously delusional.
Sorry, but no one is going to slot a skill that makes a difference only below 25%. PvP isn't slow enough for that.
And no good player is going to slot Power Extraction over Steel Tornado, especially when you can combo the latter with Dawnbreaker of Smiting, which is much better than Incapacitating Strike.
You can laugh at me all you want, but one of us actually plays a stamina nightblade.
Yep. Confirmed.0 -
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✭✭✭nordickittyhawk wrote: »nordickittyhawk wrote: »
And what does it change that only one class got a way to gain major evasion from his class specific trees, if others can get the very same buff easily aswell? Its simply irrelevant in a game where you can pick from various skill lines and not only the class specific ones. Thats why I think a list of minor/major buffs each class cannot get by any way would be much more interesting, but it would certainly require a lot more work.
People keep acting like, "well you can just run weapon skills, so what does it matter, we get the same buff!"
I'll tell you exactly why it matters.
It's very relevant when 1 class gets options for these buffs through their class skills. Why? Because it allows for them to choose their weapons based on what they want to run instead of what they need to run.
A good example of this is NB's having ambush. A gap closer is fairly necessary for every person in Cyrodiil. So where as nb can look at the weapon lines and say, should I run DW for more damage? Or s&b for more tankiness, or 2h for rally? They always have that very viable class gap closer (ambush) which allows them to be more creative with their builds. Same goes for their single target. Other classes would kill for a stamina instant cast single target. Nb is the only class in the game that has these things at their disposal right within their class so of course that is fairly imbalanced.
I mean... templars have a spamable called jabs... yeah its a channel but its also conal. If you wanna talk about what classes have and what others dont. I dont see any stamina class dots on anything but a DK... weeeer wheres my nb stam dots WEEEEEER. better go make a post how classes are not the same.
This is a post you cant win jules.
If I can't win its not because I'm not right as much as it is that you are resistant to logic and/or you just don't know how to read.
Within nb class lines, for stam option skills they have:
An AOE
A single target
An ultimate
A gap closer
An execute
A buff that is also a damage proc
Dks:
An ultimate
2 dots
Templars:
A cc
An aoe
Sorcs:
A buff
An aoe
The fact that you would even have the audacity to propose that that's balanced is literally mind boggling.
Yes nightblades do have all those things. You know why?! because its a rouge class.
You dont see anyone else making posts about how the templar has too many magic abilitys and heals.
Have you played any other MMOS? last i checked this is something so common around a rouge class everything you mentioned there... is pretty much in any other MMO.
There are so many people on this post calling you out on this post and saying you are wrong yet you refuse to think out side the box. Clearly you dont like NBs... we get it and we dont care.
It isn't about liking nightblades. It isn't about personal preference. It's about one class having the accessibility to stamina skills and major/minor buffs way way way above that of what the others have access to.
And it doesn't matter how many people can "call me out" and say I'm wrong. Take a poll bro. I guarantee you 80%+ of those people on this thread are nightblades who dont want to get nerfed.
Nightblades know their class best. Disqualifying the very people capable of proving you wrong on such a flimsy pretext is kinda shady.Vehemence -- Commander and Raid Lead -- Tri-faction PvP
Knights Paravant -- Co-GM and Raid Lead -- AD Greyhost4 -
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✭✭✭nordickittyhawk wrote: »
And what does it change that only one class got a way to gain major evasion from his class specific trees, if others can get the very same buff easily aswell? Its simply irrelevant in a game where you can pick from various skill lines and not only the class specific ones. Thats why I think a list of minor/major buffs each class cannot get by any way would be much more interesting, but it would certainly require a lot more work.
If a nightblade can use one skill to get 3 major buffs, where other classes need one skill for two of them, then one very particular skill for the 3rd, or that nightblades are so rewarded for using their own skill lines. Tell me, how many nb builds have a majority skills coming from their own class and how many other class builds even come close? Why pick a class if you are just going to use non-class skills?
"Diversity". Theres your answear.
"Diversity" Where one class has options the others don't. Because everyone else having to do a particular thing to even hope to get the same range of buffs as nigthblades greatly helps the 'diversity' of the other classes.2 -
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✭✭✭nordickittyhawk wrote: »nordickittyhawk wrote: »
And what does it change that only one class got a way to gain major evasion from his class specific trees, if others can get the very same buff easily aswell? Its simply irrelevant in a game where you can pick from various skill lines and not only the class specific ones. Thats why I think a list of minor/major buffs each class cannot get by any way would be much more interesting, but it would certainly require a lot more work.
People keep acting like, "well you can just run weapon skills, so what does it matter, we get the same buff!"
I'll tell you exactly why it matters.
It's very relevant when 1 class gets options for these buffs through their class skills. Why? Because it allows for them to choose their weapons based on what they want to run instead of what they need to run.
A good example of this is NB's having ambush. A gap closer is fairly necessary for every person in Cyrodiil. So where as nb can look at the weapon lines and say, should I run DW for more damage? Or s&b for more tankiness, or 2h for rally? They always have that very viable class gap closer (ambush) which allows them to be more creative with their builds. Same goes for their single target. Other classes would kill for a stamina instant cast single target. Nb is the only class in the game that has these things at their disposal right within their class so of course that is fairly imbalanced.
I mean... templars have a spamable called jabs... yeah its a channel but its also conal. If you wanna talk about what classes have and what others dont. I dont see any stamina class dots on anything but a DK... weeeer wheres my nb stam dots WEEEEEER. better go make a post how classes are not the same.
This is a post you cant win jules.
If I can't win its not because I'm not right as much as it is that you are resistant to logic and/or you just don't know how to read.
Within nb class lines, for stam option skills they have:
An AOE
A single target
An ultimate
A gap closer
An execute
A buff that is also a damage proc
Dks:
An ultimate
2 dots
Templars:
A cc
An aoe
Sorcs:
A buff
An aoe
The fact that you would even have the audacity to propose that that's balanced is literally mind boggling.
Yes nightblades do have all those things. You know why?! because its a rouge class.
You dont see anyone else making posts about how the templar has too many magic abilitys and heals.
Have you played any other MMOS? last i checked this is something so common around a rouge class everything you mentioned there... is pretty much in any other MMO.
There are so many people on this post calling you out on this post and saying you are wrong yet you refuse to think out side the box. Clearly you dont like NBs... we get it and we dont care.
It isn't about liking nightblades. It isn't about personal preference. It's about one class having the accessibility to stamina skills and major/minor buffs way way way above that of what the others have access to.
And it doesn't matter how many people can "call me out" and say I'm wrong. Take a poll bro. I guarantee you 80%+ of those people on this thread are nightblades who dont want to get nerfed.
Nightblades know their class best. Disqualifying the very people capable of proving you wrong on such a flimsy pretext is kinda shady.
I beg to differ from some players. Aka, those nb's who didn't know the old cloak pruge morph purged 4 dots not 1.1 -
Jules✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭nordickittyhawk wrote: »nordickittyhawk wrote: »
And what does it change that only one class got a way to gain major evasion from his class specific trees, if others can get the very same buff easily aswell? Its simply irrelevant in a game where you can pick from various skill lines and not only the class specific ones. Thats why I think a list of minor/major buffs each class cannot get by any way would be much more interesting, but it would certainly require a lot more work.
People keep acting like, "well you can just run weapon skills, so what does it matter, we get the same buff!"
I'll tell you exactly why it matters.
It's very relevant when 1 class gets options for these buffs through their class skills. Why? Because it allows for them to choose their weapons based on what they want to run instead of what they need to run.
A good example of this is NB's having ambush. A gap closer is fairly necessary for every person in Cyrodiil. So where as nb can look at the weapon lines and say, should I run DW for more damage? Or s&b for more tankiness, or 2h for rally? They always have that very viable class gap closer (ambush) which allows them to be more creative with their builds. Same goes for their single target. Other classes would kill for a stamina instant cast single target. Nb is the only class in the game that has these things at their disposal right within their class so of course that is fairly imbalanced.
I mean... templars have a spamable called jabs... yeah its a channel but its also conal. If you wanna talk about what classes have and what others dont. I dont see any stamina class dots on anything but a DK... weeeer wheres my nb stam dots WEEEEEER. better go make a post how classes are not the same.
This is a post you cant win jules.
If I can't win its not because I'm not right as much as it is that you are resistant to logic and/or you just don't know how to read.
Within nb class lines, for stam option skills they have:
An AOE
A single target
An ultimate
A gap closer
An execute
A buff that is also a damage proc
Dks:
An ultimate
2 dots
Templars:
A cc
An aoe
Sorcs:
A buff
An aoe
The fact that you would even have the audacity to propose that that's balanced is literally mind boggling.
Yes nightblades do have all those things. You know why?! because its a rouge class.
You dont see anyone else making posts about how the templar has too many magic abilitys and heals.
Have you played any other MMOS? last i checked this is something so common around a rouge class everything you mentioned there... is pretty much in any other MMO.
There are so many people on this post calling you out on this post and saying you are wrong yet you refuse to think out side the box. Clearly you dont like NBs... we get it and we dont care.
It isn't about liking nightblades. It isn't about personal preference. It's about one class having the accessibility to stamina skills and major/minor buffs way way way above that of what the others have access to.
And it doesn't matter how many people can "call me out" and say I'm wrong. Take a poll bro. I guarantee you 80%+ of those people on this thread are nightblades who dont want to get nerfed.
Nightblades know their class best. Disqualifying the very people capable of proving you wrong on such a flimsy pretext is kinda shady.
I beg to differ from some players. Aka, those nb's who didn't know the old cloak pruge morph purged 4 dots not 1.
Or the kid who told me two pages ago that surprise attack only applies major fracture from stealth.0 -
Satiar✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭nordickittyhawk wrote: »
And what does it change that only one class got a way to gain major evasion from his class specific trees, if others can get the very same buff easily aswell? Its simply irrelevant in a game where you can pick from various skill lines and not only the class specific ones. Thats why I think a list of minor/major buffs each class cannot get by any way would be much more interesting, but it would certainly require a lot more work.
If a nightblade can use one skill to get 3 major buffs, where other classes need one skill for two of them, then one very particular skill for the 3rd, or that nightblades are so rewarded for using their own skill lines. Tell me, how many nb builds have a majority skills coming from their own class and how many other class builds even come close? Why pick a class if you are just going to use non-class skills?
"Diversity". Theres your answear.
"Diversity" Where one class has options the others don't. Because everyone else having to do a particular thing to even hope to get the same range of buffs as nigthblades greatly helps the 'diversity' of the other classes.
Nightblade does one thing best (AoE DPS) and everything else mediocre to well. All this talk of buffs is a smokescreen for actual gameplay mechanics and how things actually work in Cyrodil.Vehemence -- Commander and Raid Lead -- Tri-faction PvP
Knights Paravant -- Co-GM and Raid Lead -- AD Greyhost1 -
Satiar✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭nordickittyhawk wrote: »
And what does it change that only one class got a way to gain major evasion from his class specific trees, if others can get the very same buff easily aswell? Its simply irrelevant in a game where you can pick from various skill lines and not only the class specific ones. Thats why I think a list of minor/major buffs each class cannot get by any way would be much more interesting, but it would certainly require a lot more work.
If a nightblade can use one skill to get 3 major buffs, where other classes need one skill for two of them, then one very particular skill for the 3rd, or that nightblades are so rewarded for using their own skill lines. Tell me, how many nb builds have a majority skills coming from their own class and how many other class builds even come close? Why pick a class if you are just going to use non-class skills?
"Diversity". Theres your answear.
"Diversity" Where one class has options the others don't. Because everyone else having to do a particular thing to even hope to get the same range of buffs as nigthblades greatly helps the 'diversity' of the other classes.
Nightblade does one thing best (AoE DPS) and everything else mediocre to well. All this talk of buffs is a smokescreen for actual gameplay mechanics and how things actually work in Cyrodil.Vehemence -- Commander and Raid Lead -- Tri-faction PvP
Knights Paravant -- Co-GM and Raid Lead -- AD Greyhost0 -
DDuke✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭nordickittyhawk wrote: »nordickittyhawk wrote: »
And what does it change that only one class got a way to gain major evasion from his class specific trees, if others can get the very same buff easily aswell? Its simply irrelevant in a game where you can pick from various skill lines and not only the class specific ones. Thats why I think a list of minor/major buffs each class cannot get by any way would be much more interesting, but it would certainly require a lot more work.
People keep acting like, "well you can just run weapon skills, so what does it matter, we get the same buff!"
I'll tell you exactly why it matters.
It's very relevant when 1 class gets options for these buffs through their class skills. Why? Because it allows for them to choose their weapons based on what they want to run instead of what they need to run.
A good example of this is NB's having ambush. A gap closer is fairly necessary for every person in Cyrodiil. So where as nb can look at the weapon lines and say, should I run DW for more damage? Or s&b for more tankiness, or 2h for rally? They always have that very viable class gap closer (ambush) which allows them to be more creative with their builds. Same goes for their single target. Other classes would kill for a stamina instant cast single target. Nb is the only class in the game that has these things at their disposal right within their class so of course that is fairly imbalanced.
I mean... templars have a spamable called jabs... yeah its a channel but its also conal. If you wanna talk about what classes have and what others dont. I dont see any stamina class dots on anything but a DK... weeeer wheres my nb stam dots WEEEEEER. better go make a post how classes are not the same.
This is a post you cant win jules.
If I can't win its not because I'm not right as much as it is that you are resistant to logic and/or you just don't know how to read.
Within nb class lines, for stam option skills they have:
An AOE
A single target
An ultimate
A gap closer
An execute
A buff that is also a damage proc
Dks:
An ultimate
2 dots
Templars:
A cc
An aoe
Sorcs:
A buff
An aoe
The fact that you would even have the audacity to propose that that's balanced is literally mind boggling.
Yes nightblades do have all those things. You know why?! because its a rouge class.
You dont see anyone else making posts about how the templar has too many magic abilitys and heals.
Have you played any other MMOS? last i checked this is something so common around a rouge class everything you mentioned there... is pretty much in any other MMO.
There are so many people on this post calling you out on this post and saying you are wrong yet you refuse to think out side the box. Clearly you dont like NBs... we get it and we dont care.
It isn't about liking nightblades. It isn't about personal preference. It's about one class having the accessibility to stamina skills and major/minor buffs way way way above that of what the others have access to.
And it doesn't matter how many people can "call me out" and say I'm wrong. Take a poll bro. I guarantee you 80%+ of those people on this thread are nightblades who dont want to get nerfed.
Nightblades know their class best. Disqualifying the very people capable of proving you wrong on such a flimsy pretext is kinda shady.
I beg to differ from some players. Aka, those nb's who didn't know the old cloak pruge morph purged 4 dots not 1.
Or the kid who told me two pages ago that surprise attack only applies major fracture from stealth.
Atleast he didn't claim Reaper's Mark is a burst heal... or that Blur returns magicka.9 -
Satiar✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭nordickittyhawk wrote: »nordickittyhawk wrote: »
And what does it change that only one class got a way to gain major evasion from his class specific trees, if others can get the very same buff easily aswell? Its simply irrelevant in a game where you can pick from various skill lines and not only the class specific ones. Thats why I think a list of minor/major buffs each class cannot get by any way would be much more interesting, but it would certainly require a lot more work.
People keep acting like, "well you can just run weapon skills, so what does it matter, we get the same buff!"
I'll tell you exactly why it matters.
It's very relevant when 1 class gets options for these buffs through their class skills. Why? Because it allows for them to choose their weapons based on what they want to run instead of what they need to run.
A good example of this is NB's having ambush. A gap closer is fairly necessary for every person in Cyrodiil. So where as nb can look at the weapon lines and say, should I run DW for more damage? Or s&b for more tankiness, or 2h for rally? They always have that very viable class gap closer (ambush) which allows them to be more creative with their builds. Same goes for their single target. Other classes would kill for a stamina instant cast single target. Nb is the only class in the game that has these things at their disposal right within their class so of course that is fairly imbalanced.
I mean... templars have a spamable called jabs... yeah its a channel but its also conal. If you wanna talk about what classes have and what others dont. I dont see any stamina class dots on anything but a DK... weeeer wheres my nb stam dots WEEEEEER. better go make a post how classes are not the same.
This is a post you cant win jules.
If I can't win its not because I'm not right as much as it is that you are resistant to logic and/or you just don't know how to read.
Within nb class lines, for stam option skills they have:
An AOE
A single target
An ultimate
A gap closer
An execute
A buff that is also a damage proc
Dks:
An ultimate
2 dots
Templars:
A cc
An aoe
Sorcs:
A buff
An aoe
The fact that you would even have the audacity to propose that that's balanced is literally mind boggling.
Yes nightblades do have all those things. You know why?! because its a rouge class.
You dont see anyone else making posts about how the templar has too many magic abilitys and heals.
Have you played any other MMOS? last i checked this is something so common around a rouge class everything you mentioned there... is pretty much in any other MMO.
There are so many people on this post calling you out on this post and saying you are wrong yet you refuse to think out side the box. Clearly you dont like NBs... we get it and we dont care.
It isn't about liking nightblades. It isn't about personal preference. It's about one class having the accessibility to stamina skills and major/minor buffs way way way above that of what the others have access to.
And it doesn't matter how many people can "call me out" and say I'm wrong. Take a poll bro. I guarantee you 80%+ of those people on this thread are nightblades who dont want to get nerfed.
Nightblades know their class best. Disqualifying the very people capable of proving you wrong on such a flimsy pretext is kinda shady.
I beg to differ from some players. Aka, those nb's who didn't know the old cloak pruge morph purged 4 dots not 1.
Or the kid who told me two pages ago that surprise attack only applies major fracture from stealth.
Or that one gal going on about NB burst heals...nordickittyhawk wrote: »nordickittyhawk wrote: »
And what does it change that only one class got a way to gain major evasion from his class specific trees, if others can get the very same buff easily aswell? Its simply irrelevant in a game where you can pick from various skill lines and not only the class specific ones. Thats why I think a list of minor/major buffs each class cannot get by any way would be much more interesting, but it would certainly require a lot more work.
People keep acting like, "well you can just run weapon skills, so what does it matter, we get the same buff!"
I'll tell you exactly why it matters.
It's very relevant when 1 class gets options for these buffs through their class skills. Why? Because it allows for them to choose their weapons based on what they want to run instead of what they need to run.
A good example of this is NB's having ambush. A gap closer is fairly necessary for every person in Cyrodiil. So where as nb can look at the weapon lines and say, should I run DW for more damage? Or s&b for more tankiness, or 2h for rally? They always have that very viable class gap closer (ambush) which allows them to be more creative with their builds. Same goes for their single target. Other classes would kill for a stamina instant cast single target. Nb is the only class in the game that has these things at their disposal right within their class so of course that is fairly imbalanced.
I mean... templars have a spamable called jabs... yeah its a channel but its also conal. If you wanna talk about what classes have and what others dont. I dont see any stamina class dots on anything but a DK... weeeer wheres my nb stam dots WEEEEEER. better go make a post how classes are not the same.
This is a post you cant win jules.
If I can't win its not because I'm not right as much as it is that you are resistant to logic and/or you just don't know how to read.
Within nb class lines, for stam option skills they have:
An AOE
A single target
An ultimate
A gap closer
An execute
A buff that is also a damage proc
Dks:
An ultimate
2 dots
Templars:
A cc
An aoe
Sorcs:
A buff
An aoe
The fact that you would even have the audacity to propose that that's balanced is literally mind boggling.
Yes nightblades do have all those things. You know why?! because its a rouge class.
You dont see anyone else making posts about how the templar has too many magic abilitys and heals.
Have you played any other MMOS? last i checked this is something so common around a rouge class everything you mentioned there... is pretty much in any other MMO.
There are so many people on this post calling you out on this post and saying you are wrong yet you refuse to think out side the box. Clearly you dont like NBs... we get it and we dont care.
It isn't about liking nightblades. It isn't about personal preference. It's about one class having the accessibility to stamina skills and major/minor buffs way way way above that of what the others have access to.
And it doesn't matter how many people can "call me out" and say I'm wrong. Take a poll bro. I guarantee you 80%+ of those people on this thread are nightblades who dont want to get nerfed.
Nightblades know their class best. Disqualifying the very people capable of proving you wrong on such a flimsy pretext is kinda shady.
I beg to differ from some players. Aka, those nb's who didn't know the old cloak pruge morph purged 4 dots not 1.
No accounting for scrubs. Jules just straight called us all biased for disagreeing with her and playing Nightblade. Great debate tactic
Vehemence -- Commander and Raid Lead -- Tri-faction PvP
Knights Paravant -- Co-GM and Raid Lead -- AD Greyhost3 -
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✭✭nordickittyhawk wrote: »nordickittyhawk wrote: »
And what does it change that only one class got a way to gain major evasion from his class specific trees, if others can get the very same buff easily aswell? Its simply irrelevant in a game where you can pick from various skill lines and not only the class specific ones. Thats why I think a list of minor/major buffs each class cannot get by any way would be much more interesting, but it would certainly require a lot more work.
People keep acting like, "well you can just run weapon skills, so what does it matter, we get the same buff!"
I'll tell you exactly why it matters.
It's very relevant when 1 class gets options for these buffs through their class skills. Why? Because it allows for them to choose their weapons based on what they want to run instead of what they need to run.
A good example of this is NB's having ambush. A gap closer is fairly necessary for every person in Cyrodiil. So where as nb can look at the weapon lines and say, should I run DW for more damage? Or s&b for more tankiness, or 2h for rally? They always have that very viable class gap closer (ambush) which allows them to be more creative with their builds. Same goes for their single target. Other classes would kill for a stamina instant cast single target. Nb is the only class in the game that has these things at their disposal right within their class so of course that is fairly imbalanced.
I mean... templars have a spamable called jabs... yeah its a channel but its also conal. If you wanna talk about what classes have and what others dont. I dont see any stamina class dots on anything but a DK... weeeer wheres my nb stam dots WEEEEEER. better go make a post how classes are not the same.
This is a post you cant win jules.
If I can't win its not because I'm not right as much as it is that you are resistant to logic and/or you just don't know how to read.
Within nb class lines, for stam option skills they have:
An AOE
A single target
An ultimate
A gap closer
An execute
A buff that is also a damage proc
Dks:
An ultimate
2 dots
Templars:
A cc
An aoe
Sorcs:
A buff
An aoe
The fact that you would even have the audacity to propose that that's balanced is literally mind boggling.
Yes nightblades do have all those things. You know why?! because its a rouge class.
You dont see anyone else making posts about how the templar has too many magic abilitys and heals.
Have you played any other MMOS? last i checked this is something so common around a rouge class everything you mentioned there... is pretty much in any other MMO.
There are so many people on this post calling you out on this post and saying you are wrong yet you refuse to think out side the box. Clearly you dont like NBs... we get it and we dont care.
It isn't about liking nightblades. It isn't about personal preference. It's about one class having the accessibility to stamina skills and major/minor buffs way way way above that of what the others have access to.
And it doesn't matter how many people can "call me out" and say I'm wrong. Take a poll bro. I guarantee you 80%+ of those people on this thread are nightblades who dont want to get nerfed.
Nightblades know their class best. Disqualifying the very people capable of proving you wrong on such a flimsy pretext is kinda shady.
I beg to differ from some players. Aka, those nb's who didn't know the old cloak pruge morph purged 4 dots not 1.
Or the kid who told me two pages ago that surprise attack only applies major fracture from stealth.
Or that one gal going on about NB burst heals...nordickittyhawk wrote: »nordickittyhawk wrote: »
And what does it change that only one class got a way to gain major evasion from his class specific trees, if others can get the very same buff easily aswell? Its simply irrelevant in a game where you can pick from various skill lines and not only the class specific ones. Thats why I think a list of minor/major buffs each class cannot get by any way would be much more interesting, but it would certainly require a lot more work.
People keep acting like, "well you can just run weapon skills, so what does it matter, we get the same buff!"
I'll tell you exactly why it matters.
It's very relevant when 1 class gets options for these buffs through their class skills. Why? Because it allows for them to choose their weapons based on what they want to run instead of what they need to run.
A good example of this is NB's having ambush. A gap closer is fairly necessary for every person in Cyrodiil. So where as nb can look at the weapon lines and say, should I run DW for more damage? Or s&b for more tankiness, or 2h for rally? They always have that very viable class gap closer (ambush) which allows them to be more creative with their builds. Same goes for their single target. Other classes would kill for a stamina instant cast single target. Nb is the only class in the game that has these things at their disposal right within their class so of course that is fairly imbalanced.
I mean... templars have a spamable called jabs... yeah its a channel but its also conal. If you wanna talk about what classes have and what others dont. I dont see any stamina class dots on anything but a DK... weeeer wheres my nb stam dots WEEEEEER. better go make a post how classes are not the same.
This is a post you cant win jules.
If I can't win its not because I'm not right as much as it is that you are resistant to logic and/or you just don't know how to read.
Within nb class lines, for stam option skills they have:
An AOE
A single target
An ultimate
A gap closer
An execute
A buff that is also a damage proc
Dks:
An ultimate
2 dots
Templars:
A cc
An aoe
Sorcs:
A buff
An aoe
The fact that you would even have the audacity to propose that that's balanced is literally mind boggling.
Yes nightblades do have all those things. You know why?! because its a rouge class.
You dont see anyone else making posts about how the templar has too many magic abilitys and heals.
Have you played any other MMOS? last i checked this is something so common around a rouge class everything you mentioned there... is pretty much in any other MMO.
There are so many people on this post calling you out on this post and saying you are wrong yet you refuse to think out side the box. Clearly you dont like NBs... we get it and we dont care.
It isn't about liking nightblades. It isn't about personal preference. It's about one class having the accessibility to stamina skills and major/minor buffs way way way above that of what the others have access to.
And it doesn't matter how many people can "call me out" and say I'm wrong. Take a poll bro. I guarantee you 80%+ of those people on this thread are nightblades who dont want to get nerfed.
Nightblades know their class best. Disqualifying the very people capable of proving you wrong on such a flimsy pretext is kinda shady.
I beg to differ from some players. Aka, those nb's who didn't know the old cloak pruge morph purged 4 dots not 1.
No accounting for scrubs. Jules just straight called us all biased for disagreeing with her and playing Nightblade. Great debate tactic
You ARE biased. We all are. I'm just trying very hard to get you to see things from other classes points of view and nbs are trying to get me to see it from nb point of view. Honestly doesn't matter.0 -
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✭✭✭✭nordickittyhawk wrote: »nordickittyhawk wrote: »
And what does it change that only one class got a way to gain major evasion from his class specific trees, if others can get the very same buff easily aswell? Its simply irrelevant in a game where you can pick from various skill lines and not only the class specific ones. Thats why I think a list of minor/major buffs each class cannot get by any way would be much more interesting, but it would certainly require a lot more work.
People keep acting like, "well you can just run weapon skills, so what does it matter, we get the same buff!"
I'll tell you exactly why it matters.
It's very relevant when 1 class gets options for these buffs through their class skills. Why? Because it allows for them to choose their weapons based on what they want to run instead of what they need to run.
A good example of this is NB's having ambush. A gap closer is fairly necessary for every person in Cyrodiil. So where as nb can look at the weapon lines and say, should I run DW for more damage? Or s&b for more tankiness, or 2h for rally? They always have that very viable class gap closer (ambush) which allows them to be more creative with their builds. Same goes for their single target. Other classes would kill for a stamina instant cast single target. Nb is the only class in the game that has these things at their disposal right within their class so of course that is fairly imbalanced.
I mean... templars have a spamable called jabs... yeah its a channel but its also conal. If you wanna talk about what classes have and what others dont. I dont see any stamina class dots on anything but a DK... weeeer wheres my nb stam dots WEEEEEER. better go make a post how classes are not the same.
This is a post you cant win jules.
If I can't win its not because I'm not right as much as it is that you are resistant to logic and/or you just don't know how to read.
Within nb class lines, for stam option skills they have:
An AOE
A single target
An ultimate
A gap closer
An execute
A buff that is also a damage proc
Dks:
An ultimate
2 dots
Templars:
A cc
An aoe
Sorcs:
A buff
An aoe
The fact that you would even have the audacity to propose that that's balanced is literally mind boggling.
Yes nightblades do have all those things. You know why?! because its a rouge class.
You dont see anyone else making posts about how the templar has too many magic abilitys and heals.
Have you played any other MMOS? last i checked this is something so common around a rouge class everything you mentioned there... is pretty much in any other MMO.
There are so many people on this post calling you out on this post and saying you are wrong yet you refuse to think out side the box. Clearly you dont like NBs... we get it and we dont care.
It isn't about liking nightblades. It isn't about personal preference. It's about one class having the accessibility to stamina skills and major/minor buffs way way way above that of what the others have access to.
And it doesn't matter how many people can "call me out" and say I'm wrong. Take a poll bro. I guarantee you 80%+ of those people on this thread are nightblades who dont want to get nerfed.
Nightblades know their class best. Disqualifying the very people capable of proving you wrong on such a flimsy pretext is kinda shady.
I beg to differ from some players. Aka, those nb's who didn't know the old cloak pruge morph purged 4 dots not 1.
Or the kid who told me two pages ago that surprise attack only applies major fracture from stealth.
Or that one gal going on about NB burst heals...nordickittyhawk wrote: »nordickittyhawk wrote: »
And what does it change that only one class got a way to gain major evasion from his class specific trees, if others can get the very same buff easily aswell? Its simply irrelevant in a game where you can pick from various skill lines and not only the class specific ones. Thats why I think a list of minor/major buffs each class cannot get by any way would be much more interesting, but it would certainly require a lot more work.
People keep acting like, "well you can just run weapon skills, so what does it matter, we get the same buff!"
I'll tell you exactly why it matters.
It's very relevant when 1 class gets options for these buffs through their class skills. Why? Because it allows for them to choose their weapons based on what they want to run instead of what they need to run.
A good example of this is NB's having ambush. A gap closer is fairly necessary for every person in Cyrodiil. So where as nb can look at the weapon lines and say, should I run DW for more damage? Or s&b for more tankiness, or 2h for rally? They always have that very viable class gap closer (ambush) which allows them to be more creative with their builds. Same goes for their single target. Other classes would kill for a stamina instant cast single target. Nb is the only class in the game that has these things at their disposal right within their class so of course that is fairly imbalanced.
I mean... templars have a spamable called jabs... yeah its a channel but its also conal. If you wanna talk about what classes have and what others dont. I dont see any stamina class dots on anything but a DK... weeeer wheres my nb stam dots WEEEEEER. better go make a post how classes are not the same.
This is a post you cant win jules.
If I can't win its not because I'm not right as much as it is that you are resistant to logic and/or you just don't know how to read.
Within nb class lines, for stam option skills they have:
An AOE
A single target
An ultimate
A gap closer
An execute
A buff that is also a damage proc
Dks:
An ultimate
2 dots
Templars:
A cc
An aoe
Sorcs:
A buff
An aoe
The fact that you would even have the audacity to propose that that's balanced is literally mind boggling.
Yes nightblades do have all those things. You know why?! because its a rouge class.
You dont see anyone else making posts about how the templar has too many magic abilitys and heals.
Have you played any other MMOS? last i checked this is something so common around a rouge class everything you mentioned there... is pretty much in any other MMO.
There are so many people on this post calling you out on this post and saying you are wrong yet you refuse to think out side the box. Clearly you dont like NBs... we get it and we dont care.
It isn't about liking nightblades. It isn't about personal preference. It's about one class having the accessibility to stamina skills and major/minor buffs way way way above that of what the others have access to.
And it doesn't matter how many people can "call me out" and say I'm wrong. Take a poll bro. I guarantee you 80%+ of those people on this thread are nightblades who dont want to get nerfed.
Nightblades know their class best. Disqualifying the very people capable of proving you wrong on such a flimsy pretext is kinda shady.
I beg to differ from some players. Aka, those nb's who didn't know the old cloak pruge morph purged 4 dots not 1.
No accounting for scrubs. Jules just straight called us all biased for disagreeing with her and playing Nightblade. Great debate tactic
You ARE biased. We all are. I'm just trying very hard to get you to see things from other classes points of view and nbs are trying to get me to see it from nb point of view. Honestly doesn't matter.
No offense, but that must be the first intelligent thing you've said in this thread.
Good thing some of us play more classes than just one and are able to provide multiple points of view.
Here's my Magicka Templar point of view: NBs are free AP
I'll let you know my Magicka DK, Stamina Sorc, Stamplar, Magicka Sorc points of view as well once I've spent some more time in PvP with them.Edited by DDuke on May 15, 2016 11:06PM3 -
Satiar✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭nordickittyhawk wrote: »nordickittyhawk wrote: »
And what does it change that only one class got a way to gain major evasion from his class specific trees, if others can get the very same buff easily aswell? Its simply irrelevant in a game where you can pick from various skill lines and not only the class specific ones. Thats why I think a list of minor/major buffs each class cannot get by any way would be much more interesting, but it would certainly require a lot more work.
People keep acting like, "well you can just run weapon skills, so what does it matter, we get the same buff!"
I'll tell you exactly why it matters.
It's very relevant when 1 class gets options for these buffs through their class skills. Why? Because it allows for them to choose their weapons based on what they want to run instead of what they need to run.
A good example of this is NB's having ambush. A gap closer is fairly necessary for every person in Cyrodiil. So where as nb can look at the weapon lines and say, should I run DW for more damage? Or s&b for more tankiness, or 2h for rally? They always have that very viable class gap closer (ambush) which allows them to be more creative with their builds. Same goes for their single target. Other classes would kill for a stamina instant cast single target. Nb is the only class in the game that has these things at their disposal right within their class so of course that is fairly imbalanced.
I mean... templars have a spamable called jabs... yeah its a channel but its also conal. If you wanna talk about what classes have and what others dont. I dont see any stamina class dots on anything but a DK... weeeer wheres my nb stam dots WEEEEEER. better go make a post how classes are not the same.
This is a post you cant win jules.
If I can't win its not because I'm not right as much as it is that you are resistant to logic and/or you just don't know how to read.
Within nb class lines, for stam option skills they have:
An AOE
A single target
An ultimate
A gap closer
An execute
A buff that is also a damage proc
Dks:
An ultimate
2 dots
Templars:
A cc
An aoe
Sorcs:
A buff
An aoe
The fact that you would even have the audacity to propose that that's balanced is literally mind boggling.
Yes nightblades do have all those things. You know why?! because its a rouge class.
You dont see anyone else making posts about how the templar has too many magic abilitys and heals.
Have you played any other MMOS? last i checked this is something so common around a rouge class everything you mentioned there... is pretty much in any other MMO.
There are so many people on this post calling you out on this post and saying you are wrong yet you refuse to think out side the box. Clearly you dont like NBs... we get it and we dont care.
It isn't about liking nightblades. It isn't about personal preference. It's about one class having the accessibility to stamina skills and major/minor buffs way way way above that of what the others have access to.
And it doesn't matter how many people can "call me out" and say I'm wrong. Take a poll bro. I guarantee you 80%+ of those people on this thread are nightblades who dont want to get nerfed.
Nightblades know their class best. Disqualifying the very people capable of proving you wrong on such a flimsy pretext is kinda shady.
I beg to differ from some players. Aka, those nb's who didn't know the old cloak pruge morph purged 4 dots not 1.
Or the kid who told me two pages ago that surprise attack only applies major fracture from stealth.
Or that one gal going on about NB burst heals...nordickittyhawk wrote: »nordickittyhawk wrote: »
And what does it change that only one class got a way to gain major evasion from his class specific trees, if others can get the very same buff easily aswell? Its simply irrelevant in a game where you can pick from various skill lines and not only the class specific ones. Thats why I think a list of minor/major buffs each class cannot get by any way would be much more interesting, but it would certainly require a lot more work.
People keep acting like, "well you can just run weapon skills, so what does it matter, we get the same buff!"
I'll tell you exactly why it matters.
It's very relevant when 1 class gets options for these buffs through their class skills. Why? Because it allows for them to choose their weapons based on what they want to run instead of what they need to run.
A good example of this is NB's having ambush. A gap closer is fairly necessary for every person in Cyrodiil. So where as nb can look at the weapon lines and say, should I run DW for more damage? Or s&b for more tankiness, or 2h for rally? They always have that very viable class gap closer (ambush) which allows them to be more creative with their builds. Same goes for their single target. Other classes would kill for a stamina instant cast single target. Nb is the only class in the game that has these things at their disposal right within their class so of course that is fairly imbalanced.
I mean... templars have a spamable called jabs... yeah its a channel but its also conal. If you wanna talk about what classes have and what others dont. I dont see any stamina class dots on anything but a DK... weeeer wheres my nb stam dots WEEEEEER. better go make a post how classes are not the same.
This is a post you cant win jules.
If I can't win its not because I'm not right as much as it is that you are resistant to logic and/or you just don't know how to read.
Within nb class lines, for stam option skills they have:
An AOE
A single target
An ultimate
A gap closer
An execute
A buff that is also a damage proc
Dks:
An ultimate
2 dots
Templars:
A cc
An aoe
Sorcs:
A buff
An aoe
The fact that you would even have the audacity to propose that that's balanced is literally mind boggling.
Yes nightblades do have all those things. You know why?! because its a rouge class.
You dont see anyone else making posts about how the templar has too many magic abilitys and heals.
Have you played any other MMOS? last i checked this is something so common around a rouge class everything you mentioned there... is pretty much in any other MMO.
There are so many people on this post calling you out on this post and saying you are wrong yet you refuse to think out side the box. Clearly you dont like NBs... we get it and we dont care.
It isn't about liking nightblades. It isn't about personal preference. It's about one class having the accessibility to stamina skills and major/minor buffs way way way above that of what the others have access to.
And it doesn't matter how many people can "call me out" and say I'm wrong. Take a poll bro. I guarantee you 80%+ of those people on this thread are nightblades who dont want to get nerfed.
Nightblades know their class best. Disqualifying the very people capable of proving you wrong on such a flimsy pretext is kinda shady.
I beg to differ from some players. Aka, those nb's who didn't know the old cloak pruge morph purged 4 dots not 1.
No accounting for scrubs. Jules just straight called us all biased for disagreeing with her and playing Nightblade. Great debate tactic
You ARE biased. We all are. I'm just trying very hard to get you to see things from other classes points of view and nbs are trying to get me to see it from nb point of view. Honestly doesn't matter.
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And most people are addressing your arguments. And than you dismiss them and call them biased. That is not a healthy debate format.Vehemence -- Commander and Raid Lead -- Tri-faction PvP
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✭✭nordickittyhawk wrote: »nordickittyhawk wrote: »
And what does it change that only one class got a way to gain major evasion from his class specific trees, if others can get the very same buff easily aswell? Its simply irrelevant in a game where you can pick from various skill lines and not only the class specific ones. Thats why I think a list of minor/major buffs each class cannot get by any way would be much more interesting, but it would certainly require a lot more work.
People keep acting like, "well you can just run weapon skills, so what does it matter, we get the same buff!"
I'll tell you exactly why it matters.
It's very relevant when 1 class gets options for these buffs through their class skills. Why? Because it allows for them to choose their weapons based on what they want to run instead of what they need to run.
A good example of this is NB's having ambush. A gap closer is fairly necessary for every person in Cyrodiil. So where as nb can look at the weapon lines and say, should I run DW for more damage? Or s&b for more tankiness, or 2h for rally? They always have that very viable class gap closer (ambush) which allows them to be more creative with their builds. Same goes for their single target. Other classes would kill for a stamina instant cast single target. Nb is the only class in the game that has these things at their disposal right within their class so of course that is fairly imbalanced.
I mean... templars have a spamable called jabs... yeah its a channel but its also conal. If you wanna talk about what classes have and what others dont. I dont see any stamina class dots on anything but a DK... weeeer wheres my nb stam dots WEEEEEER. better go make a post how classes are not the same.
This is a post you cant win jules.
If I can't win its not because I'm not right as much as it is that you are resistant to logic and/or you just don't know how to read.
Within nb class lines, for stam option skills they have:
An AOE
A single target
An ultimate
A gap closer
An execute
A buff that is also a damage proc
Dks:
An ultimate
2 dots
Templars:
A cc
An aoe
Sorcs:
A buff
An aoe
The fact that you would even have the audacity to propose that that's balanced is literally mind boggling.
Yes nightblades do have all those things. You know why?! because its a rouge class.
You dont see anyone else making posts about how the templar has too many magic abilitys and heals.
Have you played any other MMOS? last i checked this is something so common around a rouge class everything you mentioned there... is pretty much in any other MMO.
There are so many people on this post calling you out on this post and saying you are wrong yet you refuse to think out side the box. Clearly you dont like NBs... we get it and we dont care.
It isn't about liking nightblades. It isn't about personal preference. It's about one class having the accessibility to stamina skills and major/minor buffs way way way above that of what the others have access to.
And it doesn't matter how many people can "call me out" and say I'm wrong. Take a poll bro. I guarantee you 80%+ of those people on this thread are nightblades who dont want to get nerfed.
Nightblades know their class best. Disqualifying the very people capable of proving you wrong on such a flimsy pretext is kinda shady.
I beg to differ from some players. Aka, those nb's who didn't know the old cloak pruge morph purged 4 dots not 1.
Or the kid who told me two pages ago that surprise attack only applies major fracture from stealth.
Or that one gal going on about NB burst heals...nordickittyhawk wrote: »nordickittyhawk wrote: »
And what does it change that only one class got a way to gain major evasion from his class specific trees, if others can get the very same buff easily aswell? Its simply irrelevant in a game where you can pick from various skill lines and not only the class specific ones. Thats why I think a list of minor/major buffs each class cannot get by any way would be much more interesting, but it would certainly require a lot more work.
People keep acting like, "well you can just run weapon skills, so what does it matter, we get the same buff!"
I'll tell you exactly why it matters.
It's very relevant when 1 class gets options for these buffs through their class skills. Why? Because it allows for them to choose their weapons based on what they want to run instead of what they need to run.
A good example of this is NB's having ambush. A gap closer is fairly necessary for every person in Cyrodiil. So where as nb can look at the weapon lines and say, should I run DW for more damage? Or s&b for more tankiness, or 2h for rally? They always have that very viable class gap closer (ambush) which allows them to be more creative with their builds. Same goes for their single target. Other classes would kill for a stamina instant cast single target. Nb is the only class in the game that has these things at their disposal right within their class so of course that is fairly imbalanced.
I mean... templars have a spamable called jabs... yeah its a channel but its also conal. If you wanna talk about what classes have and what others dont. I dont see any stamina class dots on anything but a DK... weeeer wheres my nb stam dots WEEEEEER. better go make a post how classes are not the same.
This is a post you cant win jules.
If I can't win its not because I'm not right as much as it is that you are resistant to logic and/or you just don't know how to read.
Within nb class lines, for stam option skills they have:
An AOE
A single target
An ultimate
A gap closer
An execute
A buff that is also a damage proc
Dks:
An ultimate
2 dots
Templars:
A cc
An aoe
Sorcs:
A buff
An aoe
The fact that you would even have the audacity to propose that that's balanced is literally mind boggling.
Yes nightblades do have all those things. You know why?! because its a rouge class.
You dont see anyone else making posts about how the templar has too many magic abilitys and heals.
Have you played any other MMOS? last i checked this is something so common around a rouge class everything you mentioned there... is pretty much in any other MMO.
There are so many people on this post calling you out on this post and saying you are wrong yet you refuse to think out side the box. Clearly you dont like NBs... we get it and we dont care.
It isn't about liking nightblades. It isn't about personal preference. It's about one class having the accessibility to stamina skills and major/minor buffs way way way above that of what the others have access to.
And it doesn't matter how many people can "call me out" and say I'm wrong. Take a poll bro. I guarantee you 80%+ of those people on this thread are nightblades who dont want to get nerfed.
Nightblades know their class best. Disqualifying the very people capable of proving you wrong on such a flimsy pretext is kinda shady.
I beg to differ from some players. Aka, those nb's who didn't know the old cloak pruge morph purged 4 dots not 1.
No accounting for scrubs. Jules just straight called us all biased for disagreeing with her and playing Nightblade. Great debate tactic
You ARE biased. We all are. I'm just trying very hard to get you to see things from other classes points of view and nbs are trying to get me to see it from nb point of view. Honestly doesn't matter.
No offense, but that must be the first intelligent thing you've said in this thread.
Good thing some of us play more classes than just one and are able to provide multiple points of view.
Here's my Magicka Templar point of view: NBs are free AP
I'll let you know my Magicka DK, Stamina Sorc, Stamplar, Magicka Sorc points of view as well once I've spent some more time in PvP with them.
Lol, that is not the first intelligent thing I've said in this thread, but okay. I was going to give credit where credit is due to you but I think I'll just hold off.0 -
genjutsu_kami✭✭✭nordickittyhawk wrote: »nordickittyhawk wrote: »
And what does it change that only one class got a way to gain major evasion from his class specific trees, if others can get the very same buff easily aswell? Its simply irrelevant in a game where you can pick from various skill lines and not only the class specific ones. Thats why I think a list of minor/major buffs each class cannot get by any way would be much more interesting, but it would certainly require a lot more work.
People keep acting like, "well you can just run weapon skills, so what does it matter, we get the same buff!"
I'll tell you exactly why it matters.
It's very relevant when 1 class gets options for these buffs through their class skills. Why? Because it allows for them to choose their weapons based on what they want to run instead of what they need to run.
A good example of this is NB's having ambush. A gap closer is fairly necessary for every person in Cyrodiil. So where as nb can look at the weapon lines and say, should I run DW for more damage? Or s&b for more tankiness, or 2h for rally? They always have that very viable class gap closer (ambush) which allows them to be more creative with their builds. Same goes for their single target. Other classes would kill for a stamina instant cast single target. Nb is the only class in the game that has these things at their disposal right within their class so of course that is fairly imbalanced.
I mean... templars have a spamable called jabs... yeah its a channel but its also conal. If you wanna talk about what classes have and what others dont. I dont see any stamina class dots on anything but a DK... weeeer wheres my nb stam dots WEEEEEER. better go make a post how classes are not the same.
This is a post you cant win jules.
If I can't win its not because I'm not right as much as it is that you are resistant to logic and/or you just don't know how to read.
Within nb class lines, for stam option skills they have:
An AOE
A single target
An ultimate
A gap closer
An execute
A buff that is also a damage proc
Dks:
An ultimate
2 dots
Templars:
A cc
An aoe
Sorcs:
A buff
An aoe
The fact that you would even have the audacity to propose that that's balanced is literally mind boggling.
Yes nightblades do have all those things. You know why?! because its a rouge class.
You dont see anyone else making posts about how the templar has too many magic abilitys and heals.
Have you played any other MMOS? last i checked this is something so common around a rouge class everything you mentioned there... is pretty much in any other MMO.
There are so many people on this post calling you out on this post and saying you are wrong yet you refuse to think out side the box. Clearly you dont like NBs... we get it and we dont care.
It isn't about liking nightblades. It isn't about personal preference. It's about one class having the accessibility to stamina skills and major/minor buffs way way way above that of what the others have access to.
And it doesn't matter how many people can "call me out" and say I'm wrong. Take a poll bro. I guarantee you 80%+ of those people on this thread are nightblades who dont want to get nerfed.
Nightblades know their class best. Disqualifying the very people capable of proving you wrong on such a flimsy pretext is kinda shady.
I beg to differ from some players. Aka, those nb's who didn't know the old cloak pruge morph purged 4 dots not 1.
Or the kid who told me two pages ago that surprise attack only applies major fracture from stealth.
Or that one gal going on about NB burst heals...nordickittyhawk wrote: »nordickittyhawk wrote: »
And what does it change that only one class got a way to gain major evasion from his class specific trees, if others can get the very same buff easily aswell? Its simply irrelevant in a game where you can pick from various skill lines and not only the class specific ones. Thats why I think a list of minor/major buffs each class cannot get by any way would be much more interesting, but it would certainly require a lot more work.
People keep acting like, "well you can just run weapon skills, so what does it matter, we get the same buff!"
I'll tell you exactly why it matters.
It's very relevant when 1 class gets options for these buffs through their class skills. Why? Because it allows for them to choose their weapons based on what they want to run instead of what they need to run.
A good example of this is NB's having ambush. A gap closer is fairly necessary for every person in Cyrodiil. So where as nb can look at the weapon lines and say, should I run DW for more damage? Or s&b for more tankiness, or 2h for rally? They always have that very viable class gap closer (ambush) which allows them to be more creative with their builds. Same goes for their single target. Other classes would kill for a stamina instant cast single target. Nb is the only class in the game that has these things at their disposal right within their class so of course that is fairly imbalanced.
I mean... templars have a spamable called jabs... yeah its a channel but its also conal. If you wanna talk about what classes have and what others dont. I dont see any stamina class dots on anything but a DK... weeeer wheres my nb stam dots WEEEEEER. better go make a post how classes are not the same.
This is a post you cant win jules.
If I can't win its not because I'm not right as much as it is that you are resistant to logic and/or you just don't know how to read.
Within nb class lines, for stam option skills they have:
An AOE
A single target
An ultimate
A gap closer
An execute
A buff that is also a damage proc
Dks:
An ultimate
2 dots
Templars:
A cc
An aoe
Sorcs:
A buff
An aoe
The fact that you would even have the audacity to propose that that's balanced is literally mind boggling.
Yes nightblades do have all those things. You know why?! because its a rouge class.
You dont see anyone else making posts about how the templar has too many magic abilitys and heals.
Have you played any other MMOS? last i checked this is something so common around a rouge class everything you mentioned there... is pretty much in any other MMO.
There are so many people on this post calling you out on this post and saying you are wrong yet you refuse to think out side the box. Clearly you dont like NBs... we get it and we dont care.
It isn't about liking nightblades. It isn't about personal preference. It's about one class having the accessibility to stamina skills and major/minor buffs way way way above that of what the others have access to.
And it doesn't matter how many people can "call me out" and say I'm wrong. Take a poll bro. I guarantee you 80%+ of those people on this thread are nightblades who dont want to get nerfed.
Nightblades know their class best. Disqualifying the very people capable of proving you wrong on such a flimsy pretext is kinda shady.
I beg to differ from some players. Aka, those nb's who didn't know the old cloak pruge morph purged 4 dots not 1.
No accounting for scrubs. Jules just straight called us all biased for disagreeing with her and playing Nightblade. Great debate tactic
no actually she's probably just tired of showing factual evidence of how night blades as a class have head over heels buffs compared to every other class in the game ..... which is FACT and yet night blade players will come on here deny the fact that they have more buffs and more alternatives than any other class, not only do you make claims that these abilities are not used by "top tier PVP players" (thats what you claim) you also argue that you need more assistance in improving night blades when you not only have a buff in the PTS and now do disease damage.....which will be more potent with new poisons ..... you also have an instant dps ability that hits very hard and has a low cost.... with a super low cost ultimate that stuns at all times with debuffs and damage buffs......if you asked me she has kept it classy.
I really don't understand why the delusion in some of these comments is overshadowing actual FACT... night blades have more buffs and are more efficient in their class abilities. You can not Tell me these statements are not FACT..... you probably won't and divert the question with a false argument that night blades suffer from being competitive in PVP. (classic night blade bias defence)Edited by genjutsu_kami on May 15, 2016 11:12PM1 -
Jules✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭nordickittyhawk wrote: »nordickittyhawk wrote: »
And what does it change that only one class got a way to gain major evasion from his class specific trees, if others can get the very same buff easily aswell? Its simply irrelevant in a game where you can pick from various skill lines and not only the class specific ones. Thats why I think a list of minor/major buffs each class cannot get by any way would be much more interesting, but it would certainly require a lot more work.
People keep acting like, "well you can just run weapon skills, so what does it matter, we get the same buff!"
I'll tell you exactly why it matters.
It's very relevant when 1 class gets options for these buffs through their class skills. Why? Because it allows for them to choose their weapons based on what they want to run instead of what they need to run.
A good example of this is NB's having ambush. A gap closer is fairly necessary for every person in Cyrodiil. So where as nb can look at the weapon lines and say, should I run DW for more damage? Or s&b for more tankiness, or 2h for rally? They always have that very viable class gap closer (ambush) which allows them to be more creative with their builds. Same goes for their single target. Other classes would kill for a stamina instant cast single target. Nb is the only class in the game that has these things at their disposal right within their class so of course that is fairly imbalanced.
I mean... templars have a spamable called jabs... yeah its a channel but its also conal. If you wanna talk about what classes have and what others dont. I dont see any stamina class dots on anything but a DK... weeeer wheres my nb stam dots WEEEEEER. better go make a post how classes are not the same.
This is a post you cant win jules.
If I can't win its not because I'm not right as much as it is that you are resistant to logic and/or you just don't know how to read.
Within nb class lines, for stam option skills they have:
An AOE
A single target
An ultimate
A gap closer
An execute
A buff that is also a damage proc
Dks:
An ultimate
2 dots
Templars:
A cc
An aoe
Sorcs:
A buff
An aoe
The fact that you would even have the audacity to propose that that's balanced is literally mind boggling.
Yes nightblades do have all those things. You know why?! because its a rouge class.
You dont see anyone else making posts about how the templar has too many magic abilitys and heals.
Have you played any other MMOS? last i checked this is something so common around a rouge class everything you mentioned there... is pretty much in any other MMO.
There are so many people on this post calling you out on this post and saying you are wrong yet you refuse to think out side the box. Clearly you dont like NBs... we get it and we dont care.
It isn't about liking nightblades. It isn't about personal preference. It's about one class having the accessibility to stamina skills and major/minor buffs way way way above that of what the others have access to.
And it doesn't matter how many people can "call me out" and say I'm wrong. Take a poll bro. I guarantee you 80%+ of those people on this thread are nightblades who dont want to get nerfed.
Nightblades know their class best. Disqualifying the very people capable of proving you wrong on such a flimsy pretext is kinda shady.
I beg to differ from some players. Aka, those nb's who didn't know the old cloak pruge morph purged 4 dots not 1.
Or the kid who told me two pages ago that surprise attack only applies major fracture from stealth.
Atleast he didn't claim Reaper's Mark is a burst heal... or that Blur returns magicka.
Reaper's mark is a burst heal. It heals for 60% of your max health.
And blur does not return magicka, true.0 -
DDuke✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭nordickittyhawk wrote: »nordickittyhawk wrote: »
And what does it change that only one class got a way to gain major evasion from his class specific trees, if others can get the very same buff easily aswell? Its simply irrelevant in a game where you can pick from various skill lines and not only the class specific ones. Thats why I think a list of minor/major buffs each class cannot get by any way would be much more interesting, but it would certainly require a lot more work.
People keep acting like, "well you can just run weapon skills, so what does it matter, we get the same buff!"
I'll tell you exactly why it matters.
It's very relevant when 1 class gets options for these buffs through their class skills. Why? Because it allows for them to choose their weapons based on what they want to run instead of what they need to run.
A good example of this is NB's having ambush. A gap closer is fairly necessary for every person in Cyrodiil. So where as nb can look at the weapon lines and say, should I run DW for more damage? Or s&b for more tankiness, or 2h for rally? They always have that very viable class gap closer (ambush) which allows them to be more creative with their builds. Same goes for their single target. Other classes would kill for a stamina instant cast single target. Nb is the only class in the game that has these things at their disposal right within their class so of course that is fairly imbalanced.
I mean... templars have a spamable called jabs... yeah its a channel but its also conal. If you wanna talk about what classes have and what others dont. I dont see any stamina class dots on anything but a DK... weeeer wheres my nb stam dots WEEEEEER. better go make a post how classes are not the same.
This is a post you cant win jules.
If I can't win its not because I'm not right as much as it is that you are resistant to logic and/or you just don't know how to read.
Within nb class lines, for stam option skills they have:
An AOE
A single target
An ultimate
A gap closer
An execute
A buff that is also a damage proc
Dks:
An ultimate
2 dots
Templars:
A cc
An aoe
Sorcs:
A buff
An aoe
The fact that you would even have the audacity to propose that that's balanced is literally mind boggling.
Yes nightblades do have all those things. You know why?! because its a rouge class.
You dont see anyone else making posts about how the templar has too many magic abilitys and heals.
Have you played any other MMOS? last i checked this is something so common around a rouge class everything you mentioned there... is pretty much in any other MMO.
There are so many people on this post calling you out on this post and saying you are wrong yet you refuse to think out side the box. Clearly you dont like NBs... we get it and we dont care.
It isn't about liking nightblades. It isn't about personal preference. It's about one class having the accessibility to stamina skills and major/minor buffs way way way above that of what the others have access to.
And it doesn't matter how many people can "call me out" and say I'm wrong. Take a poll bro. I guarantee you 80%+ of those people on this thread are nightblades who dont want to get nerfed.
Nightblades know their class best. Disqualifying the very people capable of proving you wrong on such a flimsy pretext is kinda shady.
I beg to differ from some players. Aka, those nb's who didn't know the old cloak pruge morph purged 4 dots not 1.
Or the kid who told me two pages ago that surprise attack only applies major fracture from stealth.
Atleast he didn't claim Reaper's Mark is a burst heal... or that Blur returns magicka.
Reaper's mark is a burst heal. It heals for 60% of your max health.
And blur does not return magicka, true.
Sigh.3 -
Jules✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭nordickittyhawk wrote: »nordickittyhawk wrote: »
And what does it change that only one class got a way to gain major evasion from his class specific trees, if others can get the very same buff easily aswell? Its simply irrelevant in a game where you can pick from various skill lines and not only the class specific ones. Thats why I think a list of minor/major buffs each class cannot get by any way would be much more interesting, but it would certainly require a lot more work.
People keep acting like, "well you can just run weapon skills, so what does it matter, we get the same buff!"
I'll tell you exactly why it matters.
It's very relevant when 1 class gets options for these buffs through their class skills. Why? Because it allows for them to choose their weapons based on what they want to run instead of what they need to run.
A good example of this is NB's having ambush. A gap closer is fairly necessary for every person in Cyrodiil. So where as nb can look at the weapon lines and say, should I run DW for more damage? Or s&b for more tankiness, or 2h for rally? They always have that very viable class gap closer (ambush) which allows them to be more creative with their builds. Same goes for their single target. Other classes would kill for a stamina instant cast single target. Nb is the only class in the game that has these things at their disposal right within their class so of course that is fairly imbalanced.
I mean... templars have a spamable called jabs... yeah its a channel but its also conal. If you wanna talk about what classes have and what others dont. I dont see any stamina class dots on anything but a DK... weeeer wheres my nb stam dots WEEEEEER. better go make a post how classes are not the same.
This is a post you cant win jules.
If I can't win its not because I'm not right as much as it is that you are resistant to logic and/or you just don't know how to read.
Within nb class lines, for stam option skills they have:
An AOE
A single target
An ultimate
A gap closer
An execute
A buff that is also a damage proc
Dks:
An ultimate
2 dots
Templars:
A cc
An aoe
Sorcs:
A buff
An aoe
The fact that you would even have the audacity to propose that that's balanced is literally mind boggling.
Yes nightblades do have all those things. You know why?! because its a rouge class.
You dont see anyone else making posts about how the templar has too many magic abilitys and heals.
Have you played any other MMOS? last i checked this is something so common around a rouge class everything you mentioned there... is pretty much in any other MMO.
There are so many people on this post calling you out on this post and saying you are wrong yet you refuse to think out side the box. Clearly you dont like NBs... we get it and we dont care.
It isn't about liking nightblades. It isn't about personal preference. It's about one class having the accessibility to stamina skills and major/minor buffs way way way above that of what the others have access to.
And it doesn't matter how many people can "call me out" and say I'm wrong. Take a poll bro. I guarantee you 80%+ of those people on this thread are nightblades who dont want to get nerfed.
Nightblades know their class best. Disqualifying the very people capable of proving you wrong on such a flimsy pretext is kinda shady.
I beg to differ from some players. Aka, those nb's who didn't know the old cloak pruge morph purged 4 dots not 1.
Or the kid who told me two pages ago that surprise attack only applies major fracture from stealth.
Atleast he didn't claim Reaper's Mark is a burst heal... or that Blur returns magicka.
Reaper's mark is a burst heal. It heals for 60% of your max health.
And blur does not return magicka, true.
Sigh.
I will admit that it is not a burst heal in the traditional sense of burst healing you on demand if you will just admit that it is still considered a burst heal as it is a bulk heal for 60% of your max health.1 -
Publius_Scipio✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭This thread has given me indigestion. Tell me in what real world scenarios are NBs OVERPOWERED? What best of the best NB can go toe to toe with the best of what the templar class has to offer, and you know, just wipe the floor with the templar?
This thread is all about an Excel spreadsheet of buffs, personal opinions, and rotten attitudes all around. Where in the real world of ESO play are NBs just crushing other classes? Because that is what I think about when I read the word "overpowered".
And on a side note, I stayed stamina and didn't jump on the magic bandwagon last DLC patch.1 -
Jules✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭nordickittyhawk wrote: »Yes jules... call out more people...
Is that what you look like irl0 -
Satiar✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭nordickittyhawk wrote: »nordickittyhawk wrote: »
And what does it change that only one class got a way to gain major evasion from his class specific trees, if others can get the very same buff easily aswell? Its simply irrelevant in a game where you can pick from various skill lines and not only the class specific ones. Thats why I think a list of minor/major buffs each class cannot get by any way would be much more interesting, but it would certainly require a lot more work.
People keep acting like, "well you can just run weapon skills, so what does it matter, we get the same buff!"
I'll tell you exactly why it matters.
It's very relevant when 1 class gets options for these buffs through their class skills. Why? Because it allows for them to choose their weapons based on what they want to run instead of what they need to run.
A good example of this is NB's having ambush. A gap closer is fairly necessary for every person in Cyrodiil. So where as nb can look at the weapon lines and say, should I run DW for more damage? Or s&b for more tankiness, or 2h for rally? They always have that very viable class gap closer (ambush) which allows them to be more creative with their builds. Same goes for their single target. Other classes would kill for a stamina instant cast single target. Nb is the only class in the game that has these things at their disposal right within their class so of course that is fairly imbalanced.
I mean... templars have a spamable called jabs... yeah its a channel but its also conal. If you wanna talk about what classes have and what others dont. I dont see any stamina class dots on anything but a DK... weeeer wheres my nb stam dots WEEEEEER. better go make a post how classes are not the same.
This is a post you cant win jules.
If I can't win its not because I'm not right as much as it is that you are resistant to logic and/or you just don't know how to read.
Within nb class lines, for stam option skills they have:
An AOE
A single target
An ultimate
A gap closer
An execute
A buff that is also a damage proc
Dks:
An ultimate
2 dots
Templars:
A cc
An aoe
Sorcs:
A buff
An aoe
The fact that you would even have the audacity to propose that that's balanced is literally mind boggling.
Yes nightblades do have all those things. You know why?! because its a rouge class.
You dont see anyone else making posts about how the templar has too many magic abilitys and heals.
Have you played any other MMOS? last i checked this is something so common around a rouge class everything you mentioned there... is pretty much in any other MMO.
There are so many people on this post calling you out on this post and saying you are wrong yet you refuse to think out side the box. Clearly you dont like NBs... we get it and we dont care.
It isn't about liking nightblades. It isn't about personal preference. It's about one class having the accessibility to stamina skills and major/minor buffs way way way above that of what the others have access to.
And it doesn't matter how many people can "call me out" and say I'm wrong. Take a poll bro. I guarantee you 80%+ of those people on this thread are nightblades who dont want to get nerfed.
Nightblades know their class best. Disqualifying the very people capable of proving you wrong on such a flimsy pretext is kinda shady.
I beg to differ from some players. Aka, those nb's who didn't know the old cloak pruge morph purged 4 dots not 1.
Or the kid who told me two pages ago that surprise attack only applies major fracture from stealth.
Atleast he didn't claim Reaper's Mark is a burst heal... or that Blur returns magicka.
Reaper's mark is a burst heal. It heals for 60% of your max health.
And blur does not return magicka, true.
Please, no. Stahp. It's ok to be wrong sometimes, it happens to us all. Doubling and tripling down on mistakes does you no favors.Vehemence -- Commander and Raid Lead -- Tri-faction PvP
Knights Paravant -- Co-GM and Raid Lead -- AD Greyhost2 -
Jules✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭nordickittyhawk wrote: »nordickittyhawk wrote: »
And what does it change that only one class got a way to gain major evasion from his class specific trees, if others can get the very same buff easily aswell? Its simply irrelevant in a game where you can pick from various skill lines and not only the class specific ones. Thats why I think a list of minor/major buffs each class cannot get by any way would be much more interesting, but it would certainly require a lot more work.
People keep acting like, "well you can just run weapon skills, so what does it matter, we get the same buff!"
I'll tell you exactly why it matters.
It's very relevant when 1 class gets options for these buffs through their class skills. Why? Because it allows for them to choose their weapons based on what they want to run instead of what they need to run.
A good example of this is NB's having ambush. A gap closer is fairly necessary for every person in Cyrodiil. So where as nb can look at the weapon lines and say, should I run DW for more damage? Or s&b for more tankiness, or 2h for rally? They always have that very viable class gap closer (ambush) which allows them to be more creative with their builds. Same goes for their single target. Other classes would kill for a stamina instant cast single target. Nb is the only class in the game that has these things at their disposal right within their class so of course that is fairly imbalanced.
I mean... templars have a spamable called jabs... yeah its a channel but its also conal. If you wanna talk about what classes have and what others dont. I dont see any stamina class dots on anything but a DK... weeeer wheres my nb stam dots WEEEEEER. better go make a post how classes are not the same.
This is a post you cant win jules.
If I can't win its not because I'm not right as much as it is that you are resistant to logic and/or you just don't know how to read.
Within nb class lines, for stam option skills they have:
An AOE
A single target
An ultimate
A gap closer
An execute
A buff that is also a damage proc
Dks:
An ultimate
2 dots
Templars:
A cc
An aoe
Sorcs:
A buff
An aoe
The fact that you would even have the audacity to propose that that's balanced is literally mind boggling.
Yes nightblades do have all those things. You know why?! because its a rouge class.
You dont see anyone else making posts about how the templar has too many magic abilitys and heals.
Have you played any other MMOS? last i checked this is something so common around a rouge class everything you mentioned there... is pretty much in any other MMO.
There are so many people on this post calling you out on this post and saying you are wrong yet you refuse to think out side the box. Clearly you dont like NBs... we get it and we dont care.
It isn't about liking nightblades. It isn't about personal preference. It's about one class having the accessibility to stamina skills and major/minor buffs way way way above that of what the others have access to.
And it doesn't matter how many people can "call me out" and say I'm wrong. Take a poll bro. I guarantee you 80%+ of those people on this thread are nightblades who dont want to get nerfed.
Nightblades know their class best. Disqualifying the very people capable of proving you wrong on such a flimsy pretext is kinda shady.
I beg to differ from some players. Aka, those nb's who didn't know the old cloak pruge morph purged 4 dots not 1.
Or the kid who told me two pages ago that surprise attack only applies major fracture from stealth.
Atleast he didn't claim Reaper's Mark is a burst heal... or that Blur returns magicka.
Reaper's mark is a burst heal. It heals for 60% of your max health.
And blur does not return magicka, true.
Please, no. Stahp. It's ok to be wrong sometimes, it happens to us all. Doubling and tripling down on mistakes does you no favors.
I'm not wrong. It IS a burst heal. Unless 60% of your max health is not bursty enough for you?
It's not an on demand burst heal comparable to BOL, but it is still a burst heal.0 -
Satiar✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭genjutsu_kami wrote: »nordickittyhawk wrote: »nordickittyhawk wrote: »
And what does it change that only one class got a way to gain major evasion from his class specific trees, if others can get the very same buff easily aswell? Its simply irrelevant in a game where you can pick from various skill lines and not only the class specific ones. Thats why I think a list of minor/major buffs each class cannot get by any way would be much more interesting, but it would certainly require a lot more work.
People keep acting like, "well you can just run weapon skills, so what does it matter, we get the same buff!"
I'll tell you exactly why it matters.
It's very relevant when 1 class gets options for these buffs through their class skills. Why? Because it allows for them to choose their weapons based on what they want to run instead of what they need to run.
A good example of this is NB's having ambush. A gap closer is fairly necessary for every person in Cyrodiil. So where as nb can look at the weapon lines and say, should I run DW for more damage? Or s&b for more tankiness, or 2h for rally? They always have that very viable class gap closer (ambush) which allows them to be more creative with their builds. Same goes for their single target. Other classes would kill for a stamina instant cast single target. Nb is the only class in the game that has these things at their disposal right within their class so of course that is fairly imbalanced.
I mean... templars have a spamable called jabs... yeah its a channel but its also conal. If you wanna talk about what classes have and what others dont. I dont see any stamina class dots on anything but a DK... weeeer wheres my nb stam dots WEEEEEER. better go make a post how classes are not the same.
This is a post you cant win jules.
If I can't win its not because I'm not right as much as it is that you are resistant to logic and/or you just don't know how to read.
Within nb class lines, for stam option skills they have:
An AOE
A single target
An ultimate
A gap closer
An execute
A buff that is also a damage proc
Dks:
An ultimate
2 dots
Templars:
A cc
An aoe
Sorcs:
A buff
An aoe
The fact that you would even have the audacity to propose that that's balanced is literally mind boggling.
Yes nightblades do have all those things. You know why?! because its a rouge class.
You dont see anyone else making posts about how the templar has too many magic abilitys and heals.
Have you played any other MMOS? last i checked this is something so common around a rouge class everything you mentioned there... is pretty much in any other MMO.
There are so many people on this post calling you out on this post and saying you are wrong yet you refuse to think out side the box. Clearly you dont like NBs... we get it and we dont care.
It isn't about liking nightblades. It isn't about personal preference. It's about one class having the accessibility to stamina skills and major/minor buffs way way way above that of what the others have access to.
And it doesn't matter how many people can "call me out" and say I'm wrong. Take a poll bro. I guarantee you 80%+ of those people on this thread are nightblades who dont want to get nerfed.
Nightblades know their class best. Disqualifying the very people capable of proving you wrong on such a flimsy pretext is kinda shady.
I beg to differ from some players. Aka, those nb's who didn't know the old cloak pruge morph purged 4 dots not 1.
Or the kid who told me two pages ago that surprise attack only applies major fracture from stealth.
Or that one gal going on about NB burst heals...nordickittyhawk wrote: »nordickittyhawk wrote: »
And what does it change that only one class got a way to gain major evasion from his class specific trees, if others can get the very same buff easily aswell? Its simply irrelevant in a game where you can pick from various skill lines and not only the class specific ones. Thats why I think a list of minor/major buffs each class cannot get by any way would be much more interesting, but it would certainly require a lot more work.
People keep acting like, "well you can just run weapon skills, so what does it matter, we get the same buff!"
I'll tell you exactly why it matters.
It's very relevant when 1 class gets options for these buffs through their class skills. Why? Because it allows for them to choose their weapons based on what they want to run instead of what they need to run.
A good example of this is NB's having ambush. A gap closer is fairly necessary for every person in Cyrodiil. So where as nb can look at the weapon lines and say, should I run DW for more damage? Or s&b for more tankiness, or 2h for rally? They always have that very viable class gap closer (ambush) which allows them to be more creative with their builds. Same goes for their single target. Other classes would kill for a stamina instant cast single target. Nb is the only class in the game that has these things at their disposal right within their class so of course that is fairly imbalanced.
I mean... templars have a spamable called jabs... yeah its a channel but its also conal. If you wanna talk about what classes have and what others dont. I dont see any stamina class dots on anything but a DK... weeeer wheres my nb stam dots WEEEEEER. better go make a post how classes are not the same.
This is a post you cant win jules.
If I can't win its not because I'm not right as much as it is that you are resistant to logic and/or you just don't know how to read.
Within nb class lines, for stam option skills they have:
An AOE
A single target
An ultimate
A gap closer
An execute
A buff that is also a damage proc
Dks:
An ultimate
2 dots
Templars:
A cc
An aoe
Sorcs:
A buff
An aoe
The fact that you would even have the audacity to propose that that's balanced is literally mind boggling.
Yes nightblades do have all those things. You know why?! because its a rouge class.
You dont see anyone else making posts about how the templar has too many magic abilitys and heals.
Have you played any other MMOS? last i checked this is something so common around a rouge class everything you mentioned there... is pretty much in any other MMO.
There are so many people on this post calling you out on this post and saying you are wrong yet you refuse to think out side the box. Clearly you dont like NBs... we get it and we dont care.
It isn't about liking nightblades. It isn't about personal preference. It's about one class having the accessibility to stamina skills and major/minor buffs way way way above that of what the others have access to.
And it doesn't matter how many people can "call me out" and say I'm wrong. Take a poll bro. I guarantee you 80%+ of those people on this thread are nightblades who dont want to get nerfed.
Nightblades know their class best. Disqualifying the very people capable of proving you wrong on such a flimsy pretext is kinda shady.
I beg to differ from some players. Aka, those nb's who didn't know the old cloak pruge morph purged 4 dots not 1.
No accounting for scrubs. Jules just straight called us all biased for disagreeing with her and playing Nightblade. Great debate tactic
no actually she's probably just tired of showing factual evidence of how night blades as a class have head over heels buffs compared to every other class in the game ..... which is FACT and yet night blade players will come on here deny the fact that they have more buffs and more alternatives than any other class, not only do you make claims that these abilities are not used by "top tier PVP players" (thats what you claim) you also argue that you need more assistance in improving night blades when you not only have a buff in the PTS and now do disease damage.....which will be more potent with new poisons ..... you also have an instant dps ability that hits very hard and has a low cost.... with a super low cost ultimate that stuns at all times with debuffs and damage buffs......if you asked me she has kept it classy.
I really don't understand why the delusion in some of these comments is overshadowing actual FACT... night blades have more buffs and are more efficient in their class abilities. You can not Tell me these statements are not FACT..... you probably won't and divert the question with a false argument that night blades suffer from being competitive in PVP. (classic night blade bias defence)
Plurality of buffs does not equal OP. It's focusing on one aspect of a clas to the exclusion of all others sand presenting it at the whole picture. An example: Templars have no spammable single target skill. That is a true statement. However, it excludes that they have Jabs, one of the most OP monster skills in the game.
You can be technically correct about the things you're saying while leaving out a lot of information that is inconvenient to your argument. This is what Jules is doing, intentionally or not. And she's been extremely dismissive to everyone who tries to point this out. Considering how long we've known each other and the general respect we've expressed for the others' skills over that time, I'm quite taken aback she'd rather dismiss my opinions as biased.Vehemence -- Commander and Raid Lead -- Tri-faction PvP
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genjutsu_kami✭✭✭genjutsu_kami wrote: »nordickittyhawk wrote: »nordickittyhawk wrote: »
And what does it change that only one class got a way to gain major evasion from his class specific trees, if others can get the very same buff easily aswell? Its simply irrelevant in a game where you can pick from various skill lines and not only the class specific ones. Thats why I think a list of minor/major buffs each class cannot get by any way would be much more interesting, but it would certainly require a lot more work.
People keep acting like, "well you can just run weapon skills, so what does it matter, we get the same buff!"
I'll tell you exactly why it matters.
It's very relevant when 1 class gets options for these buffs through their class skills. Why? Because it allows for them to choose their weapons based on what they want to run instead of what they need to run.
A good example of this is NB's having ambush. A gap closer is fairly necessary for every person in Cyrodiil. So where as nb can look at the weapon lines and say, should I run DW for more damage? Or s&b for more tankiness, or 2h for rally? They always have that very viable class gap closer (ambush) which allows them to be more creative with their builds. Same goes for their single target. Other classes would kill for a stamina instant cast single target. Nb is the only class in the game that has these things at their disposal right within their class so of course that is fairly imbalanced.
I mean... templars have a spamable called jabs... yeah its a channel but its also conal. If you wanna talk about what classes have and what others dont. I dont see any stamina class dots on anything but a DK... weeeer wheres my nb stam dots WEEEEEER. better go make a post how classes are not the same.
This is a post you cant win jules.
If I can't win its not because I'm not right as much as it is that you are resistant to logic and/or you just don't know how to read.
Within nb class lines, for stam option skills they have:
An AOE
A single target
An ultimate
A gap closer
An execute
A buff that is also a damage proc
Dks:
An ultimate
2 dots
Templars:
A cc
An aoe
Sorcs:
A buff
An aoe
The fact that you would even have the audacity to propose that that's balanced is literally mind boggling.
Yes nightblades do have all those things. You know why?! because its a rouge class.
You dont see anyone else making posts about how the templar has too many magic abilitys and heals.
Have you played any other MMOS? last i checked this is something so common around a rouge class everything you mentioned there... is pretty much in any other MMO.
There are so many people on this post calling you out on this post and saying you are wrong yet you refuse to think out side the box. Clearly you dont like NBs... we get it and we dont care.
It isn't about liking nightblades. It isn't about personal preference. It's about one class having the accessibility to stamina skills and major/minor buffs way way way above that of what the others have access to.
And it doesn't matter how many people can "call me out" and say I'm wrong. Take a poll bro. I guarantee you 80%+ of those people on this thread are nightblades who dont want to get nerfed.
Nightblades know their class best. Disqualifying the very people capable of proving you wrong on such a flimsy pretext is kinda shady.
I beg to differ from some players. Aka, those nb's who didn't know the old cloak pruge morph purged 4 dots not 1.
Or the kid who told me two pages ago that surprise attack only applies major fracture from stealth.
Or that one gal going on about NB burst heals...nordickittyhawk wrote: »nordickittyhawk wrote: »
And what does it change that only one class got a way to gain major evasion from his class specific trees, if others can get the very same buff easily aswell? Its simply irrelevant in a game where you can pick from various skill lines and not only the class specific ones. Thats why I think a list of minor/major buffs each class cannot get by any way would be much more interesting, but it would certainly require a lot more work.
People keep acting like, "well you can just run weapon skills, so what does it matter, we get the same buff!"
I'll tell you exactly why it matters.
It's very relevant when 1 class gets options for these buffs through their class skills. Why? Because it allows for them to choose their weapons based on what they want to run instead of what they need to run.
A good example of this is NB's having ambush. A gap closer is fairly necessary for every person in Cyrodiil. So where as nb can look at the weapon lines and say, should I run DW for more damage? Or s&b for more tankiness, or 2h for rally? They always have that very viable class gap closer (ambush) which allows them to be more creative with their builds. Same goes for their single target. Other classes would kill for a stamina instant cast single target. Nb is the only class in the game that has these things at their disposal right within their class so of course that is fairly imbalanced.
I mean... templars have a spamable called jabs... yeah its a channel but its also conal. If you wanna talk about what classes have and what others dont. I dont see any stamina class dots on anything but a DK... weeeer wheres my nb stam dots WEEEEEER. better go make a post how classes are not the same.
This is a post you cant win jules.
If I can't win its not because I'm not right as much as it is that you are resistant to logic and/or you just don't know how to read.
Within nb class lines, for stam option skills they have:
An AOE
A single target
An ultimate
A gap closer
An execute
A buff that is also a damage proc
Dks:
An ultimate
2 dots
Templars:
A cc
An aoe
Sorcs:
A buff
An aoe
The fact that you would even have the audacity to propose that that's balanced is literally mind boggling.
Yes nightblades do have all those things. You know why?! because its a rouge class.
You dont see anyone else making posts about how the templar has too many magic abilitys and heals.
Have you played any other MMOS? last i checked this is something so common around a rouge class everything you mentioned there... is pretty much in any other MMO.
There are so many people on this post calling you out on this post and saying you are wrong yet you refuse to think out side the box. Clearly you dont like NBs... we get it and we dont care.
It isn't about liking nightblades. It isn't about personal preference. It's about one class having the accessibility to stamina skills and major/minor buffs way way way above that of what the others have access to.
And it doesn't matter how many people can "call me out" and say I'm wrong. Take a poll bro. I guarantee you 80%+ of those people on this thread are nightblades who dont want to get nerfed.
Nightblades know their class best. Disqualifying the very people capable of proving you wrong on such a flimsy pretext is kinda shady.
I beg to differ from some players. Aka, those nb's who didn't know the old cloak pruge morph purged 4 dots not 1.
No accounting for scrubs. Jules just straight called us all biased for disagreeing with her and playing Nightblade. Great debate tactic
no actually she's probably just tired of showing factual evidence of how night blades as a class have head over heels buffs compared to every other class in the game ..... which is FACT and yet night blade players will come on here deny the fact that they have more buffs and more alternatives than any other class, not only do you make claims that these abilities are not used by "top tier PVP players" (thats what you claim) you also argue that you need more assistance in improving night blades when you not only have a buff in the PTS and now do disease damage.....which will be more potent with new poisons ..... you also have an instant dps ability that hits very hard and has a low cost.... with a super low cost ultimate that stuns at all times with debuffs and damage buffs......if you asked me she has kept it classy.
I really don't understand why the delusion in some of these comments is overshadowing actual FACT... night blades have more buffs and are more efficient in their class abilities. You can not Tell me these statements are not FACT..... you probably won't and divert the question with a false argument that night blades suffer from being competitive in PVP. (classic night blade bias defence)
Plurality of buffs does not equal OP. It's focusing on one aspect of a clas to the exclusion of all others sand presenting it at the whole picture. An example: Templars have no spammable single target skill. That is a true statement. However, it excludes that they have Jabs, one of the most OP monster skills in the game.
You can be technically correct about the things you're saying while leaving out a lot of information that is inconvenient to your argument. This is what Jules is doing, intentionally or not. And she's been extremely dismissive to everyone who tries to point this out. Considering how long we've known each other and the general respect we've expressed for the others' skills over that time, I'm quite taken aback she'd rather dismiss my opinions as biased.
just to clarify on your statement are you STATING.... surprise attack is not the best instant stam dps ability in the game? is that what you are saying ....... just to be clear.0 -
Satiar✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭nordickittyhawk wrote: »nordickittyhawk wrote: »
And what does it change that only one class got a way to gain major evasion from his class specific trees, if others can get the very same buff easily aswell? Its simply irrelevant in a game where you can pick from various skill lines and not only the class specific ones. Thats why I think a list of minor/major buffs each class cannot get by any way would be much more interesting, but it would certainly require a lot more work.
People keep acting like, "well you can just run weapon skills, so what does it matter, we get the same buff!"
I'll tell you exactly why it matters.
It's very relevant when 1 class gets options for these buffs through their class skills. Why? Because it allows for them to choose their weapons based on what they want to run instead of what they need to run.
A good example of this is NB's having ambush. A gap closer is fairly necessary for every person in Cyrodiil. So where as nb can look at the weapon lines and say, should I run DW for more damage? Or s&b for more tankiness, or 2h for rally? They always have that very viable class gap closer (ambush) which allows them to be more creative with their builds. Same goes for their single target. Other classes would kill for a stamina instant cast single target. Nb is the only class in the game that has these things at their disposal right within their class so of course that is fairly imbalanced.
I mean... templars have a spamable called jabs... yeah its a channel but its also conal. If you wanna talk about what classes have and what others dont. I dont see any stamina class dots on anything but a DK... weeeer wheres my nb stam dots WEEEEEER. better go make a post how classes are not the same.
This is a post you cant win jules.
If I can't win its not because I'm not right as much as it is that you are resistant to logic and/or you just don't know how to read.
Within nb class lines, for stam option skills they have:
An AOE
A single target
An ultimate
A gap closer
An execute
A buff that is also a damage proc
Dks:
An ultimate
2 dots
Templars:
A cc
An aoe
Sorcs:
A buff
An aoe
The fact that you would even have the audacity to propose that that's balanced is literally mind boggling.
Yes nightblades do have all those things. You know why?! because its a rouge class.
You dont see anyone else making posts about how the templar has too many magic abilitys and heals.
Have you played any other MMOS? last i checked this is something so common around a rouge class everything you mentioned there... is pretty much in any other MMO.
There are so many people on this post calling you out on this post and saying you are wrong yet you refuse to think out side the box. Clearly you dont like NBs... we get it and we dont care.
It isn't about liking nightblades. It isn't about personal preference. It's about one class having the accessibility to stamina skills and major/minor buffs way way way above that of what the others have access to.
And it doesn't matter how many people can "call me out" and say I'm wrong. Take a poll bro. I guarantee you 80%+ of those people on this thread are nightblades who dont want to get nerfed.
Nightblades know their class best. Disqualifying the very people capable of proving you wrong on such a flimsy pretext is kinda shady.
I beg to differ from some players. Aka, those nb's who didn't know the old cloak pruge morph purged 4 dots not 1.
Or the kid who told me two pages ago that surprise attack only applies major fracture from stealth.
Atleast he didn't claim Reaper's Mark is a burst heal... or that Blur returns magicka.
Reaper's mark is a burst heal. It heals for 60% of your max health.
And blur does not return magicka, true.
Please, no. Stahp. It's ok to be wrong sometimes, it happens to us all. Doubling and tripling down on mistakes does you no favors.
I'm not wrong. It IS a burst heal. Unless 60% of your max health is not bursty enough for you?
It's not an on demand burst heal comparable to BOL, but it is still a burst heal.
This is the height of pedantry. The entire point of a burst heal is that you need it Right Now, otherwise any old heal over time will do. Either it functions as a burst heal or it doesn't. And it demonstratively Does Not.
You will also remember that YOU raised this point in response to me saying that Nightblades lacked good defensive skills and burst heals. Even if I were so generous as to grant you that a "Heal on Kill" skill is a burst heal (it is not), it was at best a willful sidestepping of my argument. Countering "I have no burst heals" with "you have a non functioning and non viable burst heal" is NOT an acceptable answer.Vehemence -- Commander and Raid Lead -- Tri-faction PvP
Knights Paravant -- Co-GM and Raid Lead -- AD Greyhost4 -
Satiar✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭nordickittyhawk wrote: »nordickittyhawk wrote: »nordickittyhawk wrote: »
And what does it change that only one class got a way to gain major evasion from his class specific trees, if others can get the very same buff easily aswell? Its simply irrelevant in a game where you can pick from various skill lines and not only the class specific ones. Thats why I think a list of minor/major buffs each class cannot get by any way would be much more interesting, but it would certainly require a lot more work.
People keep acting like, "well you can just run weapon skills, so what does it matter, we get the same buff!"
I'll tell you exactly why it matters.
It's very relevant when 1 class gets options for these buffs through their class skills. Why? Because it allows for them to choose their weapons based on what they want to run instead of what they need to run.
A good example of this is NB's having ambush. A gap closer is fairly necessary for every person in Cyrodiil. So where as nb can look at the weapon lines and say, should I run DW for more damage? Or s&b for more tankiness, or 2h for rally? They always have that very viable class gap closer (ambush) which allows them to be more creative with their builds. Same goes for their single target. Other classes would kill for a stamina instant cast single target. Nb is the only class in the game that has these things at their disposal right within their class so of course that is fairly imbalanced.
I mean... templars have a spamable called jabs... yeah its a channel but its also conal. If you wanna talk about what classes have and what others dont. I dont see any stamina class dots on anything but a DK... weeeer wheres my nb stam dots WEEEEEER. better go make a post how classes are not the same.
This is a post you cant win jules.
If I can't win its not because I'm not right as much as it is that you are resistant to logic and/or you just don't know how to read.
Within nb class lines, for stam option skills they have:
An AOE
A single target
An ultimate
A gap closer
An execute
A buff that is also a damage proc
Dks:
An ultimate
2 dots
Templars:
A cc
An aoe
Sorcs:
A buff
An aoe
The fact that you would even have the audacity to propose that that's balanced is literally mind boggling.
Yes nightblades do have all those things. You know why?! because its a rouge class.
You dont see anyone else making posts about how the templar has too many magic abilitys and heals.
Have you played any other MMOS? last i checked this is something so common around a rouge class everything you mentioned there... is pretty much in any other MMO.
There are so many people on this post calling you out on this post and saying you are wrong yet you refuse to think out side the box. Clearly you dont like NBs... we get it and we dont care.
It isn't about liking nightblades. It isn't about personal preference. It's about one class having the accessibility to stamina skills and major/minor buffs way way way above that of what the others have access to.
And it doesn't matter how many people can "call me out" and say I'm wrong. Take a poll bro. I guarantee you 80%+ of those people on this thread are nightblades who dont want to get nerfed.
Nightblades know their class best. Disqualifying the very people capable of proving you wrong on such a flimsy pretext is kinda shady.
I beg to differ from some players. Aka, those nb's who didn't know the old cloak pruge morph purged 4 dots not 1.
Or the kid who told me two pages ago that surprise attack only applies major fracture from stealth.
Atleast he didn't claim Reaper's Mark is a burst heal... or that Blur returns magicka.
Reaper's mark is a burst heal. It heals for 60% of your max health.
And blur does not return magicka, true.
Please, no. Stahp. It's ok to be wrong sometimes, it happens to us all. Doubling and tripling down on mistakes does you no favors.
@Satiar Its ok.... this is what you will get in reply from jules posts.
I appreciate you're on my side here but there's no need to be mocking. I've been guilty of it here on occasion and I regret those instances.Vehemence -- Commander and Raid Lead -- Tri-faction PvP
Knights Paravant -- Co-GM and Raid Lead -- AD Greyhost0 -
nordickittyhawk✭✭✭✭✭nordickittyhawk wrote: »nordickittyhawk wrote: »nordickittyhawk wrote: »
And what does it change that only one class got a way to gain major evasion from his class specific trees, if others can get the very same buff easily aswell? Its simply irrelevant in a game where you can pick from various skill lines and not only the class specific ones. Thats why I think a list of minor/major buffs each class cannot get by any way would be much more interesting, but it would certainly require a lot more work.
People keep acting like, "well you can just run weapon skills, so what does it matter, we get the same buff!"
I'll tell you exactly why it matters.
It's very relevant when 1 class gets options for these buffs through their class skills. Why? Because it allows for them to choose their weapons based on what they want to run instead of what they need to run.
A good example of this is NB's having ambush. A gap closer is fairly necessary for every person in Cyrodiil. So where as nb can look at the weapon lines and say, should I run DW for more damage? Or s&b for more tankiness, or 2h for rally? They always have that very viable class gap closer (ambush) which allows them to be more creative with their builds. Same goes for their single target. Other classes would kill for a stamina instant cast single target. Nb is the only class in the game that has these things at their disposal right within their class so of course that is fairly imbalanced.
I mean... templars have a spamable called jabs... yeah its a channel but its also conal. If you wanna talk about what classes have and what others dont. I dont see any stamina class dots on anything but a DK... weeeer wheres my nb stam dots WEEEEEER. better go make a post how classes are not the same.
This is a post you cant win jules.
If I can't win its not because I'm not right as much as it is that you are resistant to logic and/or you just don't know how to read.
Within nb class lines, for stam option skills they have:
An AOE
A single target
An ultimate
A gap closer
An execute
A buff that is also a damage proc
Dks:
An ultimate
2 dots
Templars:
A cc
An aoe
Sorcs:
A buff
An aoe
The fact that you would even have the audacity to propose that that's balanced is literally mind boggling.
Yes nightblades do have all those things. You know why?! because its a rouge class.
You dont see anyone else making posts about how the templar has too many magic abilitys and heals.
Have you played any other MMOS? last i checked this is something so common around a rouge class everything you mentioned there... is pretty much in any other MMO.
There are so many people on this post calling you out on this post and saying you are wrong yet you refuse to think out side the box. Clearly you dont like NBs... we get it and we dont care.
It isn't about liking nightblades. It isn't about personal preference. It's about one class having the accessibility to stamina skills and major/minor buffs way way way above that of what the others have access to.
And it doesn't matter how many people can "call me out" and say I'm wrong. Take a poll bro. I guarantee you 80%+ of those people on this thread are nightblades who dont want to get nerfed.
Nightblades know their class best. Disqualifying the very people capable of proving you wrong on such a flimsy pretext is kinda shady.
I beg to differ from some players. Aka, those nb's who didn't know the old cloak pruge morph purged 4 dots not 1.
Or the kid who told me two pages ago that surprise attack only applies major fracture from stealth.
Atleast he didn't claim Reaper's Mark is a burst heal... or that Blur returns magicka.
Reaper's mark is a burst heal. It heals for 60% of your max health.
And blur does not return magicka, true.
Please, no. Stahp. It's ok to be wrong sometimes, it happens to us all. Doubling and tripling down on mistakes does you no favors.
@Satiar Its ok.... this is what you will get in reply from jules posts.
I appreciate you're on my side here but there's no need to be mocking. I've been guilty of it here on occasion and I regret those instances.
^-^ fair enough. my bad.2 -
genjutsu_kami✭✭✭nordickittyhawk wrote: »nordickittyhawk wrote: »
And what does it change that only one class got a way to gain major evasion from his class specific trees, if others can get the very same buff easily aswell? Its simply irrelevant in a game where you can pick from various skill lines and not only the class specific ones. Thats why I think a list of minor/major buffs each class cannot get by any way would be much more interesting, but it would certainly require a lot more work.
People keep acting like, "well you can just run weapon skills, so what does it matter, we get the same buff!"
I'll tell you exactly why it matters.
It's very relevant when 1 class gets options for these buffs through their class skills. Why? Because it allows for them to choose their weapons based on what they want to run instead of what they need to run.
A good example of this is NB's having ambush. A gap closer is fairly necessary for every person in Cyrodiil. So where as nb can look at the weapon lines and say, should I run DW for more damage? Or s&b for more tankiness, or 2h for rally? They always have that very viable class gap closer (ambush) which allows them to be more creative with their builds. Same goes for their single target. Other classes would kill for a stamina instant cast single target. Nb is the only class in the game that has these things at their disposal right within their class so of course that is fairly imbalanced.
I mean... templars have a spamable called jabs... yeah its a channel but its also conal. If you wanna talk about what classes have and what others dont. I dont see any stamina class dots on anything but a DK... weeeer wheres my nb stam dots WEEEEEER. better go make a post how classes are not the same.
This is a post you cant win jules.
If I can't win its not because I'm not right as much as it is that you are resistant to logic and/or you just don't know how to read.
Within nb class lines, for stam option skills they have:
An AOE
A single target
An ultimate
A gap closer
An execute
A buff that is also a damage proc
Dks:
An ultimate
2 dots
Templars:
A cc
An aoe
Sorcs:
A buff
An aoe
The fact that you would even have the audacity to propose that that's balanced is literally mind boggling.
Yes nightblades do have all those things. You know why?! because its a rouge class.
You dont see anyone else making posts about how the templar has too many magic abilitys and heals.
Have you played any other MMOS? last i checked this is something so common around a rouge class everything you mentioned there... is pretty much in any other MMO.
There are so many people on this post calling you out on this post and saying you are wrong yet you refuse to think out side the box. Clearly you dont like NBs... we get it and we dont care.
It isn't about liking nightblades. It isn't about personal preference. It's about one class having the accessibility to stamina skills and major/minor buffs way way way above that of what the others have access to.
And it doesn't matter how many people can "call me out" and say I'm wrong. Take a poll bro. I guarantee you 80%+ of those people on this thread are nightblades who dont want to get nerfed.
Nightblades know their class best. Disqualifying the very people capable of proving you wrong on such a flimsy pretext is kinda shady.
I beg to differ from some players. Aka, those nb's who didn't know the old cloak pruge morph purged 4 dots not 1.
Or the kid who told me two pages ago that surprise attack only applies major fracture from stealth.
Atleast he didn't claim Reaper's Mark is a burst heal... or that Blur returns magicka.
Reaper's mark is a burst heal. It heals for 60% of your max health.
And blur does not return magicka, true.
Please, no. Stahp. It's ok to be wrong sometimes, it happens to us all. Doubling and tripling down on mistakes does you no favors.
I'm not wrong. It IS a burst heal. Unless 60% of your max health is not bursty enough for you?
It's not an on demand burst heal comparable to BOL, but it is still a burst heal.
This is the height of pedantry. The entire point of a burst heal is that you need it Right Now, otherwise any old heal over time will do. Either it functions as a burst heal or it doesn't. And it demonstratively Does Not.
You will also remember that YOU raised this point in response to me saying that Nightblades lacked good defensive skills and burst heals. Even if I were so generous as to grant you that a "Heal on Kill" skill is a burst heal (it is not), it was at best a willful sidestepping of my argument. Countering "I have no burst heals" with "you have a non functioning and non viable burst heal" is NOT an acceptable answer.
just because the circumstances does not suit your vision of a burst heal doesn't mean it is not a burst heal notice how i identify your statement to something of perspective because thats what your statement translate to... a perspective point of view that is completely situational, it still does change the fact to when i log on and i go on my night blade that ability is still available and yes a burst heal regardless of your perspective of situations to use it in. that is a factual statement.1 -
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✭✭✭genjutsu_kami wrote: »genjutsu_kami wrote: »nordickittyhawk wrote: »nordickittyhawk wrote: »
And what does it change that only one class got a way to gain major evasion from his class specific trees, if others can get the very same buff easily aswell? Its simply irrelevant in a game where you can pick from various skill lines and not only the class specific ones. Thats why I think a list of minor/major buffs each class cannot get by any way would be much more interesting, but it would certainly require a lot more work.
People keep acting like, "well you can just run weapon skills, so what does it matter, we get the same buff!"
I'll tell you exactly why it matters.
It's very relevant when 1 class gets options for these buffs through their class skills. Why? Because it allows for them to choose their weapons based on what they want to run instead of what they need to run.
A good example of this is NB's having ambush. A gap closer is fairly necessary for every person in Cyrodiil. So where as nb can look at the weapon lines and say, should I run DW for more damage? Or s&b for more tankiness, or 2h for rally? They always have that very viable class gap closer (ambush) which allows them to be more creative with their builds. Same goes for their single target. Other classes would kill for a stamina instant cast single target. Nb is the only class in the game that has these things at their disposal right within their class so of course that is fairly imbalanced.
I mean... templars have a spamable called jabs... yeah its a channel but its also conal. If you wanna talk about what classes have and what others dont. I dont see any stamina class dots on anything but a DK... weeeer wheres my nb stam dots WEEEEEER. better go make a post how classes are not the same.
This is a post you cant win jules.
If I can't win its not because I'm not right as much as it is that you are resistant to logic and/or you just don't know how to read.
Within nb class lines, for stam option skills they have:
An AOE
A single target
An ultimate
A gap closer
An execute
A buff that is also a damage proc
Dks:
An ultimate
2 dots
Templars:
A cc
An aoe
Sorcs:
A buff
An aoe
The fact that you would even have the audacity to propose that that's balanced is literally mind boggling.
Yes nightblades do have all those things. You know why?! because its a rouge class.
You dont see anyone else making posts about how the templar has too many magic abilitys and heals.
Have you played any other MMOS? last i checked this is something so common around a rouge class everything you mentioned there... is pretty much in any other MMO.
There are so many people on this post calling you out on this post and saying you are wrong yet you refuse to think out side the box. Clearly you dont like NBs... we get it and we dont care.
It isn't about liking nightblades. It isn't about personal preference. It's about one class having the accessibility to stamina skills and major/minor buffs way way way above that of what the others have access to.
And it doesn't matter how many people can "call me out" and say I'm wrong. Take a poll bro. I guarantee you 80%+ of those people on this thread are nightblades who dont want to get nerfed.
Nightblades know their class best. Disqualifying the very people capable of proving you wrong on such a flimsy pretext is kinda shady.
I beg to differ from some players. Aka, those nb's who didn't know the old cloak pruge morph purged 4 dots not 1.
Or the kid who told me two pages ago that surprise attack only applies major fracture from stealth.
Or that one gal going on about NB burst heals...nordickittyhawk wrote: »nordickittyhawk wrote: »
And what does it change that only one class got a way to gain major evasion from his class specific trees, if others can get the very same buff easily aswell? Its simply irrelevant in a game where you can pick from various skill lines and not only the class specific ones. Thats why I think a list of minor/major buffs each class cannot get by any way would be much more interesting, but it would certainly require a lot more work.
People keep acting like, "well you can just run weapon skills, so what does it matter, we get the same buff!"
I'll tell you exactly why it matters.
It's very relevant when 1 class gets options for these buffs through their class skills. Why? Because it allows for them to choose their weapons based on what they want to run instead of what they need to run.
A good example of this is NB's having ambush. A gap closer is fairly necessary for every person in Cyrodiil. So where as nb can look at the weapon lines and say, should I run DW for more damage? Or s&b for more tankiness, or 2h for rally? They always have that very viable class gap closer (ambush) which allows them to be more creative with their builds. Same goes for their single target. Other classes would kill for a stamina instant cast single target. Nb is the only class in the game that has these things at their disposal right within their class so of course that is fairly imbalanced.
I mean... templars have a spamable called jabs... yeah its a channel but its also conal. If you wanna talk about what classes have and what others dont. I dont see any stamina class dots on anything but a DK... weeeer wheres my nb stam dots WEEEEEER. better go make a post how classes are not the same.
This is a post you cant win jules.
If I can't win its not because I'm not right as much as it is that you are resistant to logic and/or you just don't know how to read.
Within nb class lines, for stam option skills they have:
An AOE
A single target
An ultimate
A gap closer
An execute
A buff that is also a damage proc
Dks:
An ultimate
2 dots
Templars:
A cc
An aoe
Sorcs:
A buff
An aoe
The fact that you would even have the audacity to propose that that's balanced is literally mind boggling.
Yes nightblades do have all those things. You know why?! because its a rouge class.
You dont see anyone else making posts about how the templar has too many magic abilitys and heals.
Have you played any other MMOS? last i checked this is something so common around a rouge class everything you mentioned there... is pretty much in any other MMO.
There are so many people on this post calling you out on this post and saying you are wrong yet you refuse to think out side the box. Clearly you dont like NBs... we get it and we dont care.
It isn't about liking nightblades. It isn't about personal preference. It's about one class having the accessibility to stamina skills and major/minor buffs way way way above that of what the others have access to.
And it doesn't matter how many people can "call me out" and say I'm wrong. Take a poll bro. I guarantee you 80%+ of those people on this thread are nightblades who dont want to get nerfed.
Nightblades know their class best. Disqualifying the very people capable of proving you wrong on such a flimsy pretext is kinda shady.
I beg to differ from some players. Aka, those nb's who didn't know the old cloak pruge morph purged 4 dots not 1.
No accounting for scrubs. Jules just straight called us all biased for disagreeing with her and playing Nightblade. Great debate tactic
no actually she's probably just tired of showing factual evidence of how night blades as a class have head over heels buffs compared to every other class in the game ..... which is FACT and yet night blade players will come on here deny the fact that they have more buffs and more alternatives than any other class, not only do you make claims that these abilities are not used by "top tier PVP players" (thats what you claim) you also argue that you need more assistance in improving night blades when you not only have a buff in the PTS and now do disease damage.....which will be more potent with new poisons ..... you also have an instant dps ability that hits very hard and has a low cost.... with a super low cost ultimate that stuns at all times with debuffs and damage buffs......if you asked me she has kept it classy.
I really don't understand why the delusion in some of these comments is overshadowing actual FACT... night blades have more buffs and are more efficient in their class abilities. You can not Tell me these statements are not FACT..... you probably won't and divert the question with a false argument that night blades suffer from being competitive in PVP. (classic night blade bias defence)
Plurality of buffs does not equal OP. It's focusing on one aspect of a clas to the exclusion of all others sand presenting it at the whole picture. An example: Templars have no spammable single target skill. That is a true statement. However, it excludes that they have Jabs, one of the most OP monster skills in the game.
You can be technically correct about the things you're saying while leaving out a lot of information that is inconvenient to your argument. This is what Jules is doing, intentionally or not. And she's been extremely dismissive to everyone who tries to point this out. Considering how long we've known each other and the general respect we've expressed for the others' skills over that time, I'm quite taken aback she'd rather dismiss my opinions as biased.
just to clarify on your statement are you STATING.... surprise attack is not the best instant stam dps ability in the game? is that what you are saying ....... just to be clear.
Another good example of what I'm talking about. Is it the best single target instant cast Stam DPS ability ? Probably. But as a Nightblade I'd use Dizzying Swing over SA. Always have. I also think Jabs > SA if we want to make multi class comparisons.
It's ok for classes to have the best of some things. It's not ok present those as evidence of class imbalance without context.Vehemence -- Commander and Raid Lead -- Tri-faction PvP
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