Altmer and Dunmer - Not Master Races Only Buttmunches

SahrotRein · May 2016

theher0not wrote: »

Runaan wrote: »

Dunmer were never (if so they weren't supposed to) thought of to be as any type of master race, where did you get that, I wonder? Chimer, I would understand. But Dunmer are just cursed for their trickery and (literally) backstabbing behavior by Azura.

About the Altmer - the lore says that the Altmer might've actually magically controlled the Moons to gain Khajiits' alliance. But as I've read it, even that is speculative.

I just have a feeling that you're a Khajiit lover (which I am partially too), who mains Khajiit and just looked up some lore article that would throw dirt on other races that you dislike. Naturally, Altmer think of themselves as the better ones because of their past, of their heritage. They descend from the ancient Aldmer, who had connection to deities. Unlike the many other Elves who are just cursed.

Even if dunmer arn't a "master race" they still enslave Khajiit and Argonians(mainly argonians) and in EP every Dunmer (except 2, the assassin and the one married to her former slave) act like they are the best race and that every other race is weaker.

I thought I already explained that. You might be thinking of a different type of "master race". We mean master race as the privileged type of race, higher race in society standards, standing higher in the hiearchy tree. As if they are the "best" race, roughly said. NOT master as in slaver. I hope I won't have to explain this anymore.

Auricle · May 2016

*pokes head in*

What, a thread thoroughly and politely discussing lore and not whining about game mechanics?

How refreshing.

As someone who plays an Altmer main, I'd love to jump to the defense of her race, but it is... difficult. From what I understand, the Altmer have a very twisted history when it comes to manipulation and control of other races. Even among their own people, some Altmer have attempted to control their appearance through selective reproduction (to retain their resemblance to the Aldmer, the ancestors of the elven races of Tamriel). They're the dangerous OCD Virgos of the Elder Scrolls universe.

Culturally, they've had an immense positive impact on Tamriel as a whole, including the development of the common tongue, which is based off Altmeri speech. They are responsible for the spreading and normalizing of arcane arts as well, with Summerset being the centre for magic learning until the Arcane University in Cyrodil was established. So that's, um, not so buttmunch-y....

They definitely are a prideful race, obsessed with maintaining their connection to the glory days of the Aldmer, while at the same time destroying everything their predecessors stood for. Once, the Altmer had a rather egalitarian society, but over time, they developed a strict class system, where the highest class, often militarily minded, control the actions of the many. When the ruler has a strong moral compass (Queen Ayrenn), the nation does good acts, but when not... you get the Thalmor, the worst version of what an Altmer is capable of.

To me, the Altmer represent a people with great potential, who often see their intentions twisted by a powerful ruling class obsessed with power and dominance. In a way, they remind me of the U.S., what with the deliberately pumped up naval presence (a response to Maomer and Sload attacks in the 1st and 2nd eras) and use of other nations as buffers against their enemies (invading Valenwood, Thalmor placing Cameron Anaxemes on the Bosmer throne, manipulating Khajit into believing they revived the moons...).

I don't rp any place except my head, but I play my altmer as a concerned soul, watching her people walk the edge of a knife, trying to hope, but ready to be disappointed.

dsalter · May 2016

aren't Altmer the only race in nirn who pretty much never lose a war? since they always end in wins or treaties (which mainly favour the Altmer), so you could argue they are a master race.

but in this Era, the dunmer are the only race who have "man gods" walking nirn, if they actually participated in the war there would probably be no contest for them. this would deem them "master race" tho hubris is the only reason you don't see them stomping everyone.

Argionian can be considered master races due to being the only race in history who successfully fought off dagon's oblivion gates with no intervention from the hero of kvatch.

Dwemer could have been(could still?) master races, they achieved the best tech, that still works even today and the only reason they still aren't is due to their sudden disappearance.

Ra'Shtar · May 2016

Dunmer are nothing but savages disguised as an upper class race, how else would you explain their choice of religion they basically worship themselves. Arrogant idiots its what they are.

dsalter · May 2016

Ra'Shtar wrote: »

Dunmer are nothing but savages disguised as an upper class race, how else would you explain their choice of religion they basically worship themselves. Arrogant idiots its what they are.

the same logic can be applied to the nords and talos tho can't it?

bloodenragedb14_ESO · May 2016

I main a altmer, but the truth is, there i almost no redeeming quality of altmer culture, so my rp backstories always have my guy growing up somewhere else, usually as an adopted child in one of the skyrim cultures, reach or nord.

Does he still have that Altmer arrogance, a little, but its more confidence than anything with his background, i try to keep my guys more open minded, racially speaking.......and they are usually perverts, whatever

dsalter · May 2016

bloodenragedb14_ESO wrote: »

I main a altmer, but the truth is, there i almost no redeeming quality of altmer culture, so my rp backstories always have my guy growing up somewhere else, usually as an adopted child in one of the skyrim cultures, reach or nord.

Does he still have that Altmer arrogance, a little, but its more confidence than anything with his background, i try to keep my guys more open minded, racially speaking.......and they are usually perverts, whatever

my altmers always come from Dark elf backgrounds so your not alone on that idea

bloodenragedb14_ESO · May 2016

dsalter wrote: »

bloodenragedb14_ESO wrote: »

I main a altmer, but the truth is, there i almost no redeeming quality of altmer culture, so my rp backstories always have my guy growing up somewhere else, usually as an adopted child in one of the skyrim cultures, reach or nord.

Does he still have that Altmer arrogance, a little, but its more confidence than anything with his background, i try to keep my guys more open minded, racially speaking.......and they are usually perverts, whatever

my altmers always come from Dark elf backgrounds so your not alone on that idea

Thats a double helping of mer superiority, no offense, but if you can make him one of the more 'liberal' minded of dunmer society, that sounds like a very complex character that sound fun to rp with

Ra'Shtar · May 2016

dsalter wrote: »

Ra'Shtar wrote: »

Dunmer are nothing but savages disguised as an upper class race, how else would you explain their choice of religion they basically worship themselves. Arrogant idiots its what they are.

the same logic can be applied to the nords and talos tho can't it?

I don't have like nords either so sure.

Witar · May 2016

wolfninja101b14_ESO wrote: »

Beast folk were on Tamriel first (ง •̀_•́)ง

You know khajiit were created from elves by azura right? They and bosmer are practically twins races and share the same origin. Ohmes khajiit looks almost exactly the same as bosmers.
Those beast races that were on tamriel before man and mer are hist and thier so called "children" argonians.

Ra'Shtar · May 2016

Witar wrote: »

wolfninja101b14_ESO wrote: »

Beast folk were on Tamriel first (ง •̀_•́)ง

You know khajiit were created from elves by azura right? They and bosmer are practically twins races and share the same origin. Ohmes khajiit looks almost exactly the same as bosmers.
Those beast races that were on tamriel before man and mer are hist and thier so called "children" argonians.

That is one of the theories but its like the lore on Aldmeris the lost continent of the elves, the lore is obscure.

Daraugh · May 2016

Auricle wrote: »

*pokes head in*

What, a thread thoroughly and politely discussing lore and not whining about game mechanics?

How refreshing.

They definitely are a prideful race, obsessed with maintaining their connection to the glory days of the Aldmer, while at the same time destroying everything their predecessors stood for.
(snip)

This sentence right here is very interesting. The Altmer's resistance to change and fear(?) of evolving into something culturally new is what ends up destroying them from the inside. Stasis in a changing world causes them to become more vicious and xenophobic. The Altmer hold the Aldmer as model to aspire to for themselves, but when that became the focus during the Thalmor of the 4th era they extend that to all of Tamriel. A steamroll foundation for racial supremacy based on their inability to accept change or evolve. Meanwhile the Aldmer had a...ahem..hand in creating an entirely new race with the Nedes, the Bretons.

dtm_samuraib16_ESO · May 2016

magnusthorek wrote: »

Yeah.. I hated very much being almost forced to be an Altmer with my Templar (and possibly change my Sorcerer if Barbershop/Race Change ever get out of No ETA stage) just because of the extra Elemental Damage of the race

IMHO, I hope they will not bring this race/class/barberthingie change in.
If you do not like your character, simply re-roll, or make an alt, and use the "bad" one as mule.
No point in waiting for hell to freeze over, anyway.

Korah_Eaglecry · May 2016

I have an Altmer character that I RP to the strengths and weaknesses of the race. Hes smug and overzealous because hes of a higher born status in the Altmer society and is extremely powerful with the use of magicka. There is no failure with this guy when it comes to what he wants regarding magicka. Though, the truth is he never really has to set his bar really high to accomplish this since hes surrounded by a cluster of other races in a Mercenary Company. The unwashed masses have a poor understanding of what the limits to magicka are and so hes free to "amaze" and "wow" the others. Normally he wouldnt stoop to such a level, he likes to think of himself too good for that even now, but hes learned the other members of the Company offer him things in exchange for his services and entertaining tricks. Though to this day he puts up a bit of a fight when someone thinks him some lowly jester. Over time this has developed into him gaining quite a bit of luxury things as the members of the Company try to one up each other in an attempt to get him to help them with a matter before the others.

Before Enrerion was a Hedge Mage, he was a member of the Mages Guild. He did his best to stay out of the muck that was field work. Enrerion had long become accustomed to the finer things in life and did everything he could to avoid having to give it up. He joined the guild not too long after it had formed and thought it would be the perfect way of utilizing his abilities on a day to day basis. But he eventually realized the Mages Guild, while not the dirtiest of jobs, still required him to travel and give up the more substantial life he had lead before joining. Eventually he began using his position and abilities to gain not just from those he came in contact with through his travels but the Guild itself. He began overpricing some of the services the Guild provides so he could take a cut. He'd exaggerate the costs of some of his expenditures the Guild paid for so that he could take from that as well. At some point the Guild caught on and realized what he had been up to all along. He was ousted from the Guild and word has spread of his regrettable behavior. It became hard for him to find work with anyone that had some sort of ties with the Guild and he eventually fell in with the Mercenary Company he works with currently. Often enough remaining back at the Companys headquarters making potions, poisons, enchantments and alteration. Rarely does he take the field or range with the others.

Auricle · May 2016

Daraugh wrote: »

Auricle wrote: »

*pokes head in*

What, a thread thoroughly and politely discussing lore and not whining about game mechanics?

How refreshing.

They definitely are a prideful race, obsessed with maintaining their connection to the glory days of the Aldmer, while at the same time destroying everything their predecessors stood for.
(snip)

This sentence right here is very interesting. The Altmer's resistance to change and fear(?) of evolving into something culturally new is what ends up destroying them from the inside. Stasis in a changing world causes them to become more vicious and xenophobic. The Altmer hold the Aldmer as model to aspire to for themselves, but when that became the focus during the Thalmor of the 4th era they extend that to all of Tamriel. A steamroll foundation for racial supremacy based on their inability to accept change or evolve. Meanwhile the Aldmer had a...ahem..hand in creating an entirely new race with the Nedes, the Bretons.

It IS interesting! The Altmer's hubris may ultimately lead to the destruction of their society. They hold so tightly to what they consider the 'right' path, the Aldmer path, that they have lost all perspective on their place in the global history. Their fatal rigidity is really sad, if you think about it.

ArchMikem · May 2016

wolfninja101b14_ESO wrote: »

Beast folk were on Tamriel first (ง •̀_•́)ง

Preach it mah brothah.