ESO Raid Leaders

Polysemy · May 2016

Awhile back there was a thread about people stories about the raid leaders bad or good

Id like to start another story time thread about the raid leaders youve encountered in ESO!

I dont have a story as I am a raid leader but I do have a quote and a video from my tank

"kuscoe is too aggressive to us"

https://youtu.be/T8ZHIygGFQY

C0wrex · May 2016

Damn that raid leader was a hard-ass

Is it usually that intense in these kinds of grouped content?

Komma · May 2016

Lol i remember that from everquest. Funny stuff.

The Uninvited · May 2016

C0wrex wrote: »

Damn that raid leader was a hard-ass Is it usually that intense in these kinds of grouped content?

No it's not. Would have left that raid in a heartbeat to be honest.

Turelus · May 2016

Would have been nice to actually have real ESO coms and not just a famous audio track overlayed.

I did large scale PvP for almost two years in ESO both leading and playing in raids so have seen all sorts of leaders. Some hardcore with orders being given constantly (more my style) some casual with the leader just being a point to follow for combat and no real tactical orders.

Rylana · May 2016

Turelus wrote: »

Would have been nice to actually have real ESO coms and not just a famous audio track overlayed.

I did large scale PvP for almost two years in ESO both leading and playing in raids so have seen all sorts of leaders. Some hardcore with orders being given constantly (more my style) some casual with the leader just being a point to follow for combat and no real tactical orders.

Generally speaking, the more casual the leader, the more hardcore the group (assuming the raid is having success). Less constant ordering means the other members just know what to do already, theres time for jokes or offcolor or what have you.

When I lead a PvP group and I have to bark every single thing out to get it to happen, my group is clearly playing weakly. The less I have to say, the more is being accomplished.

Now that doesnt mean there are not times where strict micromanagement isnt called for (heavy emp defense, strong gvg movement situations, etc), but you only have X seconds to say Y words, less needing said = more efficiency.

The Uninvited · May 2016

It usually works best when leaders speak in a calmly manner because it gives everyone the opportunity to stay focused. As soon as people start to shout or get angry, I notice that it draws attention away and people get agitated and lose focus.

Polysemy · May 2016

Turelus wrote: »

Would have been nice to actually have real ESO coms and not just a famous audio track overlayed.

I did large scale PvP for almost two years in ESO both leading and playing in raids so have seen all sorts of leaders. Some hardcore with orders being given constantly (more my style) some casual with the leader just being a point to follow for combat and no real tactical orders.

I can do that, ill ask him to upload it without the voiceover.

Polysemy · May 2016

The Uninvited wrote: »

It usually works best when leaders speak in a calmly manner because it gives everyone the opportunity to stay focused. As soon as people start to shout or get angry, I notice that it draws attention away and people get agitated and lose focus.

That is certainly the case 95% of the time and the sort of enviroment we try to provide in our raids!

There is the odd cases though where some people take better to other types of reinforcement, this isnt in raids but for example I am not nice to myself when I am doing maelstrom and mess up on something I would think is dumb and that helps me push myself and get better...

Im going to have our tank upload the video with just calms so you can see that

Runs · May 2016

warlock curses, feint death....

Do we have those in game or have I somehow over looked that aspect of ESO?

X3ina · May 2016

Can u imagine that leader is laughing when tank is falling into the same hole 7 times in a row in vdsa? Or when dps dodges out of a platform in last boss fight AA hardmode?

If not, it means that - I am the BEST raid leader!!!
But it was ages ago so i don't mind any1 taking my spot

Turelus · May 2016

Rylana wrote: »

Turelus wrote: »

Would have been nice to actually have real ESO coms and not just a famous audio track overlayed.

I did large scale PvP for almost two years in ESO both leading and playing in raids so have seen all sorts of leaders. Some hardcore with orders being given constantly (more my style) some casual with the leader just being a point to follow for combat and no real tactical orders.

Generally speaking, the more casual the leader, the more hardcore the group (assuming the raid is having success). Less constant ordering means the other members just know what to do already, theres time for jokes or offcolor or what have you.

When I lead a PvP group and I have to bark every single thing out to get it to happen, my group is clearly playing weakly. The less I have to say, the more is being accomplished.

Now that doesnt mean there are not times where strict micromanagement isnt called for (heavy emp defense, strong gvg movement situations, etc), but you only have X seconds to say Y words, less needing said = more efficiency.

True, I come from EVE Online though where you have the FC calling orders/targets often to keep people updated. I've also done tournament gameplay over there and whilst you don't directly have the FC calling every order it's a lot of voice back and forth and orders for priority targets.

Generally when I have lead or been part of small scale groups we still talk a lot and give orders a lot. I do understand what you mean though and I remember the older days of Wabbajack where we all knew each other and our groups so well we just kind of went somewhere and everyone did the job.

I think more often then not though raid leaders were leading War Council PUG groups so needing to bark orders constantly to make it happen was very much the norm.

I really need to get back into PvP raid leading...

swirve · May 2016

Raid leaders sometimes reflect the team they run. I.e. you get a motley crew of egostars and the boss has to be stricter sometimes, if they behave and do their jobs then the RL can ne cool.

I personally find ladies make better raid leaders when leading groups of guys.

Rylana · May 2016

Turelus wrote: »

Rylana wrote: »

Turelus wrote: »

Would have been nice to actually have real ESO coms and not just a famous audio track overlayed.

I did large scale PvP for almost two years in ESO both leading and playing in raids so have seen all sorts of leaders. Some hardcore with orders being given constantly (more my style) some casual with the leader just being a point to follow for combat and no real tactical orders.

Generally speaking, the more casual the leader, the more hardcore the group (assuming the raid is having success). Less constant ordering means the other members just know what to do already, theres time for jokes or offcolor or what have you.

When I lead a PvP group and I have to bark every single thing out to get it to happen, my group is clearly playing weakly. The less I have to say, the more is being accomplished.

Now that doesnt mean there are not times where strict micromanagement isnt called for (heavy emp defense, strong gvg movement situations, etc), but you only have X seconds to say Y words, less needing said = more efficiency.

True, I come from EVE Online though where you have the FC calling orders/targets often to keep people updated. I've also done tournament gameplay over there and whilst you don't directly have the FC calling every order it's a lot of voice back and forth and orders for priority targets.

Generally when I have lead or been part of small scale groups we still talk a lot and give orders a lot. I do understand what you mean though and I remember the older days of Wabbajack where we all knew each other and our groups so well we just kind of went somewhere and everyone did the job.

I think more often then not though raid leaders were leading War Council PUG groups so needing to bark orders constantly to make it happen was very much the norm.

I really need to get back into PvP raid leading...

Tell ya what, when I am leading a full raid of less experienced players, my enjoyment approaches zero. The smaller tighter groups of 8-12 that actually know what they are doing, without being told to do everything little thing = getting things done AND having a good time.

I havent seen a whole lot of large truly tight groups lately.

The Uninvited · May 2016

https://youtu.be/BWh-2db3ml0

https://youtu.be/z6-G1t-LnpU

Nifty2g · May 2016

Turelus wrote: »

Would have been nice to actually have real ESO coms and not just a famous audio track overlayed.

I did large scale PvP for almost two years in ESO both leading and playing in raids so have seen all sorts of leaders. Some hardcore with orders being given constantly (more my style) some casual with the leader just being a point to follow for combat and no real tactical orders.

@Turelus
https://www.twitch.tv/crownstoreheroes/v/56497048
dont read chat tho

RoMarQ · May 2016

Moar dots... Moar dots!!!!

Samwell Slayer · May 2016

Kuscoe is a tool. Played with him for months and he never had a mic. Now I know why.

Raid leaders are teachers. Can you imagine if your teacher talked to you like that if you messed up a homework problem? Yikes stripes.

magnusthorek · May 2016

This is a problem not only in PvP raids...

See...I've been in a few trials during my... "career" in ESO. Got HM in all Craglorn's trials and need just speedrun in Sanctum Ophidia.

In these runs I played under several leaderships. The best ones were for Craglorn's.

When Maw of Lorkhaj was released I used to play several times but eventually I stopped mainly because it's unacceptable to spend quite some time in there and get only... white... items. From EVERY chest!

But also because of the leadership. I've been in groups of great leaders and in groups of skilled players, the so-called elitists. Some of they required explicitly TeamSpeak but they didn't speak a word the whole fight.

I mean, MoL still a very bugged trial, a lot of lag and missing visuals... What's the problem with the leader in, for example, shout in TS to stay put instead of cross the room during the yin-yang-a-like fight?

Or during the last boss, if the leader has a great runner that can handle all three corridors alone, why not say that to the others instead of let two unwarned DPS go inside as usual?

Worse! You, leader, called for trial, why you don't wait until everyone is together? What happened to the "stack on the door and 3...2..1... Go", we have in Craglorn's?

"Oh it's just trash pack..." Doesn't matter! MoL at least drop junk items from all corpses which can be turned into materials and then Gold.

I even played in a group that the leader was in such a hurry that they, powerful elitists, crushed 50% of the first boss with half of team. Everyone else didn't get any item, ir XP and almost missed the first chest.

Gilliamtherogue · May 2016

Samwell Slayer wrote: »

Kuscoe is a tool. Played with him for months and he never had a mic. Now I know why.

Raid leaders are teachers. Can you imagine if your teacher talked to you like that if you messed up a homework problem? Yikes stripes.

Are people really this dense? This is obviously an overlay of the infamous Onyxia raid leader. Warlock curses, whelp cages, talking about 8 groups but only a 12 man raid? Damn, maybe your teacher should have talked like that to you so you'd proof read more.

MaxwellC · May 2016

I would've cussed this dude out honestly, not sure how anyone was able to keep quiet with his voice like that.

Mojmir · May 2016

MaxwellCrystal wrote: »

I would've cussed this dude out honestly, not sure how anyone was able to keep quiet with his voice like that.

Probably used to it and just tune him out. Tough guy with mic, I'm sure he thinks he's "passionate" of his game play too.
Sometimes the iron fist works,sometimes the velvet glove.

Valrien · May 2016

Mojmir wrote: »

MaxwellCrystal wrote: »

I would've cussed this dude out honestly, not sure how anyone was able to keep quiet with his voice like that.

Probably used to it and just tune him out. Tough guy with mic, I'm sure he thinks he's "passionate" of his game play too.
Sometimes the iron fist works,sometimes the velvet glove.

Yeah, that guy seems like a tool. The raid mechanics sound fun, though. Wish we had more unique mechanics in ESO.

Rohamad_Ali · May 2016

Some people enjoy herding cats . Not me . Even after raid leading a group of pick ups and retaking several key positions , there were a couple , after begging for a group , that just refused to follow the formula . You can take the pug out of the Zerg but you can't take the Zerg out of most pugs . Pugs are gonna Zerg .

And that's fine . Enemies need AP too , I'm just not gonna be the waiter bringing the meal to the table . If I see one or two that are decent , I'll invite them into Our starter guild .

Edit to add watched the video . Completely bad leader . That language , horrible . I can't even imagine raising my voice let alone screaming . I would of muted him and left and erased his channel from my list .

PhatGrimReaper · May 2016

I have never tried PVE raid leading, but it's stressful as *&^% sometimes in PVP.
I think a lot of people underestimate what's involved when calling the shots for a group and being responsible for everyone having fun and having success. It's not an easy thing to balance!
Sometimes you take criticism and sometimes you have to dish some out. It's part of the learning process.

The most important thing I have leant since I began leading is that we are here to have fun... when it stops being fun, STOP!

LadyNalcarya · May 2016

Nice promotional vid for CSH

j.j.hillsaveryb16_ESO · May 2016

I remember this Onyxia fight well you have to have done it to appreciate why the raid leader gets so upset

THBronx · May 2016

I thought games were supposed to be fun, no matter what game / mission / raid / - insert here anything -.

PhatGrimReaper · May 2016

THBronx wrote: »

I thought games were supposed to be fun, no matter what game / mission / raid / - insert here anything -.

Some people find winning to be fun I guess......

SanTii.92 · May 2016

The Uninvited wrote: »

https://youtu.be/z6-G1t-LnpU

LMFAO the last guy over that capacitor or something, he basically wanted every drop and went ballista when he didnt get one of them haha that drop system tho, is so toxic

Samphaa · May 2016

Ahhhahahahahaa