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Altmer and Dunmer - Not Master Races Only Buttmunches
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I'm talking more lore-wise right now (and being a Khajiit lover), but Altmer and Dunmer are no master races, but rather highly egotistical knife ears. Bosmer, I got no problem with.
Altmer used the Thalmor to gain control of Khajiit by declaring it they who brought the moons back after they disappeared for two years (forgot what exact years; believe it was during the 4th era). Dunmer enslaved Khajiit and act like they just animals. Beast folk were on Tamriel first (ง •̀_•́)ง
Ps the only Dunmer I felt bad for were the ones in the Grey Alley in Skyrim-era Windhelm.
Altmer used the Thalmor to gain control of Khajiit by declaring it they who brought the moons back after they disappeared for two years (forgot what exact years; believe it was during the 4th era). Dunmer enslaved Khajiit and act like they just animals. Beast folk were on Tamriel first (ง •̀_•́)ง
Ps the only Dunmer I felt bad for were the ones in the Grey Alley in Skyrim-era Windhelm.
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✭Yeah.. I hated very much being almost forced to be an Altmer with my Templar (and possibly change my Sorcerer if Barbershop/Race Change ever get out of No ETA stage) just because of the extra Elemental Damage of the race
But I replied here mostly for the ASCII art I'm bringing home with me (ง •̀_•́)งI am the very model of a scientist Salarian, I've studied species Turian, Asari, and Batarian.
I'm quite good at genetics (as a subset of biology) because I am an expert (which I know is a tautology).
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SahrotRein✭✭✭✭Dunmer were never (if so they weren't supposed to) thought of to be as any type of master race, where did you get that, I wonder? Chimer, I would understand. But Dunmer are just cursed for their trickery and (literally) backstabbing behavior by Azura.
About the Altmer - the lore says that the Altmer might've actually magically controlled the Moons to gain Khajiits' alliance. But as I've read it, even that is speculative.
I just have a feeling that you're a Khajiit lover (which I am partially too), who mains Khajiit and just looked up some lore article that would throw dirt on other races that you dislike. Naturally, Altmer think of themselves as the better ones because of their past, of their heritage. They descend from the ancient Aldmer, who had connection to deities. Unlike the many other Elves who are just cursed.Today we make our stand. Today we take back the Ruby Throne, which is ours by ancient right and the blessings of the Divines.- A Dominion of peace. The fair and just rule of Tamriel2 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Dunmer were never (if so they weren't supposed to) thought of to be as any type of master race, where did you get that, I wonder? Chimer, I would understand. But Dunmer are just cursed for their trickery and (literally) backstabbing behavior by Azura.
Not exactly: the Chimer turned into Dunmer due to the betrayal of the Tribunal, not the entire race. The Three used the Heart of Lorkhan against the wishes of Azura and turned themselves into gods, replacing the traditional Daedric worship. This is what caused Azura to curse them.
As for master race: not all of the Dunmer are in favor of slave trading. It's mostly House Dres (the slave masters and traders), House Telvani and the landlords/plantation owners... basically the rich and nobility"Stand strong, stay true and shelter all."
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✭✭✭✭✭The Dunmer were a religiously persecuted diaspora that eventually settled in an area that was mostly a wastelend, and even then they still had to fight for it. The suffered invasions from the north, from the west, and from underground.
They were as an offshoot of a xenophobic, prideful, often cruel race that kicked them out. They survived a long journey and an unforgiving land of ash and fire.
To make matters worse, their great leader was betrayed by three of his closest companions. Those three stole a god's power and perpetuated a lie upon their people. For this, another god cursed them all, even those who did not follow the House rule.
The Dunmer have fought and struggled and persevered through so much. Much of it was of their own making or the making of their own leaders. Their pride tore them from the Altmer then tore them from the Daedra. It caused them to behave abhorrently towards other races--with the approval of those who stole Divine power and then claimed to deserve it.
The Dumner are a deeply flawed race, but they're fascinatinginly flawed.
The Altmer, on the other hand, just can't get let go of past glories."A probable impossibility is preferable to an improbable possibility." - Aristotle12 -
SahrotRein✭✭✭✭Dunmer were never (if so they weren't supposed to) thought of to be as any type of master race, where did you get that, I wonder? Chimer, I would understand. But Dunmer are just cursed for their trickery and (literally) backstabbing behavior by Azura.
Not exactly: the Chimer turned into Dunmer due to the betrayal of the Tribunal, not the entire race. The Three used the Heart of Lorkhan against the wishes of Azura and turned themselves into gods, replacing the traditional Daedric worship. This is what caused Azura to curse them.
As for master race: not all of the Dunmer are in favor of slave trading. It's mostly House Dres (the slave masters and traders), House Telvani and the landlords/plantation owners... basically the rich and nobility
I've never mentioned any betrayal of the entire entire race. I was accurate about the backstabbing - that being the betrayal for which they were cursed in the end. I didn't want to run into deeper details, so I believe no correction was needed, just more details that I've decided to leave out.
Also, I haven't brought up any kind of slaver talk, let alone any of the Dunmer houses, so I don't believe that holds any connection to the "master race" which I was referring to.
I just feel like I'm being quoted for no reason as you're bringing up different topics than what I was talking about.
edit: Just for clarification; I think you misunderstood me at this part: "... behavior by Azura." If I simplify my sentence it'd go like this: "But Dunmer are just cursed by Azura because of their trickery and backstabbing behavior."
I wasn't saying that Azura tricked and betrayed the Dunmer, they brought Azura's curse on themselves.
Edited by SahrotRein on May 14, 2016 1:31AMToday we make our stand. Today we take back the Ruby Throne, which is ours by ancient right and the blessings of the Divines.- A Dominion of peace. The fair and just rule of Tamriel0 -
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✭✭✭✭wolfninja101b14_ESO wrote: »I'm talking more lore-wise right now (and being a Khajiit lover), but Altmer and Dunmer are no master races, but rather highly egotistical knife ears. Bosmer, I got no problem with.
Altmer used the Thalmor to gain control of Khajiit by declaring it they who brought the moons back after they disappeared for two years (forgot what exact years; believe it was during the 4th era). Dunmer enslaved Khajiit and act like they just animals. Beast folk were on Tamriel first (ง •̀_•́)ง
Ps the only Dunmer I felt bad for were the ones in the Grey Alley in Skyrim-era Windhelm.
The Thalmor of this time isnt the same Thalmor of Skyrims time. Two different Aldmeri Dominions. And the disappearance of the moons took place in another Era as well.Penniless Sellsword CompanyCaptain Paramount - Jorrhaq VhentKorith Eaglecry * Enrerion Aedihle * Laerinel Rhaev * Caius Berilius * Seylina Ithvala * H'Vak the GrimjawlTenarei Rhaev * Dazsh Ro Khar * Yynril Rothvani * Bathes-In-Coin * Anaelle Faerniil * Azjani Ma'LesAban Shahid Bakr * Kheshna gra-Gharbuk * Gallisten Bondurant * Etain Maquier * Atsu Kalame * Faulpia SeverinusWhat is better, to be born good, or to overcome your evil nature through great effort? - Paarthurnax6 -
CaptainBeerDude✭✭✭✭✭MasterSpatula wrote: »The Dunmer were a religiously persecuted diaspora that eventually settled in an area that was mostly a wastelend, and even then they still had to fight for it. The suffered invasions from the north, from the west, and from underground.
They were as an offshoot of a xenophobic, prideful, often cruel race that kicked them out. They survived a long journey and an unforgiving land of ash and fire.
To make matters worse, their great leader was betrayed by three of his closest companions. Those three stole a god's power and perpetuated a lie upon their people. For this, another god cursed them all, even those who did not follow the House rule.
The Dunmer have fought and struggled and persevered through so much. Much of it was of their own making or the making of their own leaders. Their pride tore them from the Altmer then tore them from the Daedra. It caused them to behave abhorrently towards other races--with the approval of those who stole Divine power and then claimed to deserve it.
The Dumner are a deeply flawed race, but they're fascinatinginly flawed.
The Altmer, on the other hand, just can't get let go of past glories.
The Tribunal didn't necessarily betray Nerevar. It is one possibility and it is also entirely possible he died from wounds sustained in battle.0 -
CaptainBeerDude wrote: »MasterSpatula wrote: »The Dunmer were a religiously persecuted diaspora that eventually settled in an area that was mostly a wastelend, and even then they still had to fight for it. The suffered invasions from the north, from the west, and from underground.
They were as an offshoot of a xenophobic, prideful, often cruel race that kicked them out. They survived a long journey and an unforgiving land of ash and fire.
To make matters worse, their great leader was betrayed by three of his closest companions. Those three stole a god's power and perpetuated a lie upon their people. For this, another god cursed them all, even those who did not follow the House rule.
The Dunmer have fought and struggled and persevered through so much. Much of it was of their own making or the making of their own leaders. Their pride tore them from the Altmer then tore them from the Daedra. It caused them to behave abhorrently towards other races--with the approval of those who stole Divine power and then claimed to deserve it.
The Dumner are a deeply flawed race, but they're fascinatinginly flawed.
The Altmer, on the other hand, just can't get let go of past glories.
The Tribunal didn't necessarily betray Nerevar. It is one possibility and it is also entirely possible he died from wounds sustained in battle.
It's true there is a lot of speculation surrounding Nerevar's death and the events in Red Mountain, but the betrayal in question was the use/abuse of Lorkhan's Heart by the tribunal after Nerevar entrusted it to them based on their promise to behave themselves.
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swirve✭✭✭✭wolfninja101b14_ESO wrote: »I'm talking more lore-wise right now (and being a Khajiit lover), but Altmer and Dunmer are no master races, but rather highly egotistical knife ears. Bosmer, I got no problem with.
Altmer used the Thalmor to gain control of Khajiit by declaring it they who brought the moons back after they disappeared for two years (forgot what exact years; believe it was during the 4th era). Dunmer enslaved Khajiit and act like they just animals. Beast folk were on Tamriel first (ง •̀_•́)ง
Ps the only Dunmer I felt bad for were the ones in the Grey Alley in Skyrim-era Windhelm.
The Khajiit make fine rugs. Tbc they are the rugs and not crafters of rugs.
Yours, Dunmer master race.Edited by swirve on May 14, 2016 8:15AM1 -
Van_0S✭✭✭✭✭Dunmer were never (if so they weren't supposed to) thought of to be as any type of master race, where did you get that, I wonder? Chimer, I would understand. But Dunmer are just cursed for their trickery and (literally) backstabbing behavior by Azura.
Not exactly: the Chimer turned into Dunmer due to the betrayal of the Tribunal, not the entire race. The Three used the Heart of Lorkhan against the wishes of Azura and turned themselves into gods, replacing the traditional Daedric worship. This is what caused Azura to curse them.
As for master race: not all of the Dunmer are in favor of slave trading. It's mostly House Dres (the slave masters and traders), House Telvani and the landlords/plantation owners... basically the rich and nobility
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FatKidHatchets✭✭✭Who cares about Khajit, their filthy hide doesn't even make good boots. Give me an argonian, atleast they make good boots.2
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CaptainBeerDude✭✭✭✭✭CaptainBeerDude wrote: »MasterSpatula wrote: »The Dunmer were a religiously persecuted diaspora that eventually settled in an area that was mostly a wastelend, and even then they still had to fight for it. The suffered invasions from the north, from the west, and from underground.
They were as an offshoot of a xenophobic, prideful, often cruel race that kicked them out. They survived a long journey and an unforgiving land of ash and fire.
To make matters worse, their great leader was betrayed by three of his closest companions. Those three stole a god's power and perpetuated a lie upon their people. For this, another god cursed them all, even those who did not follow the House rule.
The Dunmer have fought and struggled and persevered through so much. Much of it was of their own making or the making of their own leaders. Their pride tore them from the Altmer then tore them from the Daedra. It caused them to behave abhorrently towards other races--with the approval of those who stole Divine power and then claimed to deserve it.
The Dumner are a deeply flawed race, but they're fascinatinginly flawed.
The Altmer, on the other hand, just can't get let go of past glories.
The Tribunal didn't necessarily betray Nerevar. It is one possibility and it is also entirely possible he died from wounds sustained in battle.
It's true there is a lot of speculation surrounding Nerevar's death and the events in Red Mountain, but the betrayal in question was the use/abuse of Lorkhan's Heart by the tribunal after Nerevar intrusted it to them based on their promise to behave themselves.
True. Can't argue with that. (Because my lore is rusty as ***)0 -
theher0not✭✭✭✭✭Dunmer were never (if so they weren't supposed to) thought of to be as any type of master race, where did you get that, I wonder? Chimer, I would understand. But Dunmer are just cursed for their trickery and (literally) backstabbing behavior by Azura.
About the Altmer - the lore says that the Altmer might've actually magically controlled the Moons to gain Khajiits' alliance. But as I've read it, even that is speculative.
I just have a feeling that you're a Khajiit lover (which I am partially too), who mains Khajiit and just looked up some lore article that would throw dirt on other races that you dislike. Naturally, Altmer think of themselves as the better ones because of their past, of their heritage. They descend from the ancient Aldmer, who had connection to deities. Unlike the many other Elves who are just cursed.
Even if dunmer arn't a "master race" they still enslave Khajiit and Argonians(mainly argonians) and in EP every Dunmer (except 2, the assassin and the one married to her former slave) act like they are the best race and that every other race is weaker.0 -
bloodenragedb14_ESO✭✭✭✭✭Lore wise, you are correct, a vast majority of each race are 'buttmunches' ((love that word btw, gonna use it from now on))
The dunmer were......well more or less led by buttmunche gods, chimer were lead by daedra, dunmer by the tribunal, so their culture would obviously evolve into a rather harsh society
Altmer have their heads up their ass about bloodlines and their ancestors the aldmer, bloodline worship will screw any culture up.
for what its worth, there are exceptions in every race, so if you rp a dunmer or a altmer, be the exception.....or hell, dont, its rp, you are a actor, go nuts0 -
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B*tch please, we almost wipe you out. We control Morrowind.
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Azor_Ahaii✭✭✭Azor_Ahaii wrote: »
B*tch please, we almost wipe you out. We control Morrowind.
Lol...every ill educated barberous horde has its day...
http://tesfanon.wikia.com/wiki/Accension_War
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swirve✭✭✭✭Azor_Ahaii wrote: »Azor_Ahaii wrote: »
B*tch please, we almost wipe you out. We control Morrowind.
Lol...every ill educated barberous horde has its day...
http://tesfanon.wikia.com/wiki/Accension_War
Argonians are actually quite intelligent
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Daraugh✭✭✭✭✭MasterSpatula wrote: »The Dunmer were a religiously persecuted diaspora that eventually settled in an area that was mostly a wastelend, and even then they still had to fight for it. The suffered invasions from the north, from the west, and from underground.
They were as an offshoot of a xenophobic, prideful, often cruel race that kicked them out. They survived a long journey and an unforgiving land of ash and fire.
To make matters worse, their great leader was betrayed by three of his closest companions. Those three stole a god's power and perpetuated a lie upon their people. For this, another god cursed them all, even those who did not follow the House rule.
The Dunmer have fought and struggled and persevered through so much. Much of it was of their own making or the making of their own leaders. Their pride tore them from the Altmer then tore them from the Daedra. It caused them to behave abhorrently towards other races--with the approval of those who stole Divine power and then claimed to deserve it.
The Dumner are a deeply flawed race, but they're fascinatinginly flawed.
The Altmer, on the other hand, just can't get let go of past glories.
I didn't click on a thread with the word buttmunch in it and expect to give out any insightfuls but there ya go. Surprises lurk everywhere!
I love Khajiiti lore and philosophy, it's always resonated with me. I've never had any interest or sympathy for the Dunmer until reading this post @MasterSpatula, even most of the lore pages written about Dunmer are only concerned with the tribunal and slavery, which certainly don't evoke those feelings. Is the leader the you mentioned the Nerevar? Now I want to learn all the Dunmer lore that isn't tribunal-centric. I didn't like questing in Mournhold at all, it was oh gods, floating bikini **** *again*...something else please?
Do you happen to know if slavery was a holdover from the Chimer, a new practice concurrent with the tribunal or was/is it something that the Ashlanders practice?
Edit: or Veloth? I really don't knowEdited by Daraugh on May 14, 2016 2:48PMMay all beings have happiness
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May they find the joy that has never known suffering
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✭✭✭✭✭Azor_Ahaii wrote: »Azor_Ahaii wrote: »
B*tch please, we almost wipe you out. We control Morrowind.
Lol...every ill educated barberous horde has its day...
http://tesfanon.wikia.com/wiki/Accension_War
Argonians are actually quite intelligent
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✭✭✭✭✭I personally like Dunmer. Even though many of the noble houses are somewhat buttmunchy... but all the important stuff has already been said...
...and well said, at that.MasterSpatula wrote: »The Dunmer were a religiously persecuted diaspora that eventually settled in an area that was mostly a wastelend, and even then they still had to fight for it. The suffered invasions from the north, from the west, and from underground.
They were as an offshoot of a xenophobic, prideful, often cruel race that kicked them out. They survived a long journey and an unforgiving land of ash and fire.
To make matters worse, their great leader was betrayed by three of his closest companions. Those three stole a god's power and perpetuated a lie upon their people. For this, another god cursed them all, even those who did not follow the House rule.
The Dunmer have fought and struggled and persevered through so much. Much of it was of their own making or the making of their own leaders. Their pride tore them from the Altmer then tore them from the Daedra. It caused them to behave abhorrently towards other races--with the approval of those who stole Divine power and then claimed to deserve it.
The Dumner are a deeply flawed race, but they're fascinatinginly flawed.
The Altmer, on the other hand, just can't get let go of past glories.
Even if it does not quite mention the ashlander Dunmer, who kept to the "good daedra" and refused to follow the tribunal, keeping their ways even as it exiled them from the better parts of dunmer society, and kept them living as outcasts and heretics away from the clean cities and bountiful lands, but surviving in the harsh volcanic regions or haunted valleys the tribunal dunmer don't bother with...
In the end, not all dunmer are slaveholders, not all dunmer are nobles, not all dunmer think too highly of themselves and too lowly of other races.
The altmer on the other hand...
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✭✭✭✭✭TheShadowScout wrote: »I personally like Dunmer. Even though many of the noble houses are somewhat buttmunchy... but all the important stuff has already been said...
...and well said, at that.MasterSpatula wrote: »The Dunmer were a religiously persecuted diaspora that eventually settled in an area that was mostly a wastelend, and even then they still had to fight for it. The suffered invasions from the north, from the west, and from underground.
They were as an offshoot of a xenophobic, prideful, often cruel race that kicked them out. They survived a long journey and an unforgiving land of ash and fire.
To make matters worse, their great leader was betrayed by three of his closest companions. Those three stole a god's power and perpetuated a lie upon their people. For this, another god cursed them all, even those who did not follow the House rule.
The Dunmer have fought and struggled and persevered through so much. Much of it was of their own making or the making of their own leaders. Their pride tore them from the Altmer then tore them from the Daedra. It caused them to behave abhorrently towards other races--with the approval of those who stole Divine power and then claimed to deserve it.
The Dumner are a deeply flawed race, but they're fascinatinginly flawed.
The Altmer, on the other hand, just can't get let go of past glories.
Even if it does not quite mention the ashlander Dunmer, who kept to the "good daedra" and refused to follow the tribunal, keeping their ways even as it exiled them from the better parts of dunmer society, and kept them living as outcasts and heretics away from the clean cities and bountiful lands, but surviving in the harsh volcanic regions or haunted valleys the tribunal dunmer don't bother with...
In the end, not all dunmer are slaveholders, not all dunmer are nobles, not all dunmer think too highly of themselves and too lowly of other races.
The altmer on the other hand...
It's kinda weird how the first Aldmeri Dominion and the Thalmor are opposed to the Veiled Heritance who are racial supremacists only for the Dominion in the 4th Era (3rd Dominion?) to become just that"Stand strong, stay true and shelter all."
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✭✭✭✭CaptainBeerDude wrote: »MasterSpatula wrote: »The Dunmer were a religiously persecuted diaspora that eventually settled in an area that was mostly a wastelend, and even then they still had to fight for it. The suffered invasions from the north, from the west, and from underground.
They were as an offshoot of a xenophobic, prideful, often cruel race that kicked them out. They survived a long journey and an unforgiving land of ash and fire.
To make matters worse, their great leader was betrayed by three of his closest companions. Those three stole a god's power and perpetuated a lie upon their people. For this, another god cursed them all, even those who did not follow the House rule.
The Dunmer have fought and struggled and persevered through so much. Much of it was of their own making or the making of their own leaders. Their pride tore them from the Altmer then tore them from the Daedra. It caused them to behave abhorrently towards other races--with the approval of those who stole Divine power and then claimed to deserve it.
The Dumner are a deeply flawed race, but they're fascinatinginly flawed.
The Altmer, on the other hand, just can't get let go of past glories.
The Tribunal didn't necessarily betray Nerevar. It is one possibility and it is also entirely possible he died from wounds sustained in battle.
Then explain his return?TheShadowScout wrote: »I personally like Dunmer. Even though many of the noble houses are somewhat buttmunchy... but all the important stuff has already been said...
...and well said, at that.MasterSpatula wrote: »The Dunmer were a religiously persecuted diaspora that eventually settled in an area that was mostly a wastelend, and even then they still had to fight for it. The suffered invasions from the north, from the west, and from underground.
They were as an offshoot of a xenophobic, prideful, often cruel race that kicked them out. They survived a long journey and an unforgiving land of ash and fire.
To make matters worse, their great leader was betrayed by three of his closest companions. Those three stole a god's power and perpetuated a lie upon their people. For this, another god cursed them all, even those who did not follow the House rule.
The Dunmer have fought and struggled and persevered through so much. Much of it was of their own making or the making of their own leaders. Their pride tore them from the Altmer then tore them from the Daedra. It caused them to behave abhorrently towards other races--with the approval of those who stole Divine power and then claimed to deserve it.
The Dumner are a deeply flawed race, but they're fascinatinginly flawed.
The Altmer, on the other hand, just can't get let go of past glories.
Even if it does not quite mention the ashlander Dunmer, who kept to the "good daedra" and refused to follow the tribunal, keeping their ways even as it exiled them from the better parts of dunmer society, and kept them living as outcasts and heretics away from the clean cities and bountiful lands, but surviving in the harsh volcanic regions or haunted valleys the tribunal dunmer don't bother with...
In the end, not all dunmer are slaveholders, not all dunmer are nobles, not all dunmer think too highly of themselves and too lowly of other races.
The altmer on the other hand...
It's kinda weird how the first Aldmeri Dominion and the Thalmor are opposed to the Veiled Heritance who are racial supremacists only for the Dominion in the 4th Era (3rd Dominion?) to become just that
The interesting thing about the AD storyline is that it basically lays the groundwork for the Dominion and Thalmor of the 4th Era. The Veiled Heritance is not some upstart rebellion. Though there is some language used in the quests to try and sell them as nothing more than a minor fraction of Altmer. Their ability to go and do as they please all across Auridon, the fact the leaders are Nobles, Aristocrats, Military Leaders and Royalty says otherwise. Theyre also able to project themselves into Valenwood which is not something a minor localized rebellion would be able to accomplish. Even Aryenn doesnt seem all that shocked or emotionally offset by the revelation that theres a rebellion brewing. Its almost as if she knew how her people would respond to the idea of treating the Bosmer and Khajiit equally. The ending of the AD storyline pretty much lays it out for the player that the AD is something that is barely holding itself together, a manifestation of Aryenn and her allies will to make it happen and the hardwork of the Vestige to keep it limping on.
My opinion is that most Altmer do think of themselves as higher than all the other races. They might not share it openly as the Dunmer have. But when they feel the status quo is being threatened, in this case with the equal treatment of the ally races, the racism and superiority complexes comes bursting to the surface. The only thing the Altmer have been missing, up til the 3rd and 4th Era were leaders with the sort of ambition to assert their superiority onto Tamriel.Edited by Korah_Eaglecry on May 14, 2016 5:52PMPenniless Sellsword CompanyCaptain Paramount - Jorrhaq VhentKorith Eaglecry * Enrerion Aedihle * Laerinel Rhaev * Caius Berilius * Seylina Ithvala * H'Vak the GrimjawlTenarei Rhaev * Dazsh Ro Khar * Yynril Rothvani * Bathes-In-Coin * Anaelle Faerniil * Azjani Ma'LesAban Shahid Bakr * Kheshna gra-Gharbuk * Gallisten Bondurant * Etain Maquier * Atsu Kalame * Faulpia SeverinusWhat is better, to be born good, or to overcome your evil nature through great effort? - Paarthurnax0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Korah_Eaglecry wrote: »CaptainBeerDude wrote: »MasterSpatula wrote: »The Dunmer were a religiously persecuted diaspora that eventually settled in an area that was mostly a wastelend, and even then they still had to fight for it. The suffered invasions from the north, from the west, and from underground.
They were as an offshoot of a xenophobic, prideful, often cruel race that kicked them out. They survived a long journey and an unforgiving land of ash and fire.
To make matters worse, their great leader was betrayed by three of his closest companions. Those three stole a god's power and perpetuated a lie upon their people. For this, another god cursed them all, even those who did not follow the House rule.
The Dunmer have fought and struggled and persevered through so much. Much of it was of their own making or the making of their own leaders. Their pride tore them from the Altmer then tore them from the Daedra. It caused them to behave abhorrently towards other races--with the approval of those who stole Divine power and then claimed to deserve it.
The Dumner are a deeply flawed race, but they're fascinatinginly flawed.
The Altmer, on the other hand, just can't get let go of past glories.
The Tribunal didn't necessarily betray Nerevar. It is one possibility and it is also entirely possible he died from wounds sustained in battle.
Then explain his return?TheShadowScout wrote: »I personally like Dunmer. Even though many of the noble houses are somewhat buttmunchy... but all the important stuff has already been said...
...and well said, at that.MasterSpatula wrote: »The Dunmer were a religiously persecuted diaspora that eventually settled in an area that was mostly a wastelend, and even then they still had to fight for it. The suffered invasions from the north, from the west, and from underground.
They were as an offshoot of a xenophobic, prideful, often cruel race that kicked them out. They survived a long journey and an unforgiving land of ash and fire.
To make matters worse, their great leader was betrayed by three of his closest companions. Those three stole a god's power and perpetuated a lie upon their people. For this, another god cursed them all, even those who did not follow the House rule.
The Dunmer have fought and struggled and persevered through so much. Much of it was of their own making or the making of their own leaders. Their pride tore them from the Altmer then tore them from the Daedra. It caused them to behave abhorrently towards other races--with the approval of those who stole Divine power and then claimed to deserve it.
The Dumner are a deeply flawed race, but they're fascinatinginly flawed.
The Altmer, on the other hand, just can't get let go of past glories.
Even if it does not quite mention the ashlander Dunmer, who kept to the "good daedra" and refused to follow the tribunal, keeping their ways even as it exiled them from the better parts of dunmer society, and kept them living as outcasts and heretics away from the clean cities and bountiful lands, but surviving in the harsh volcanic regions or haunted valleys the tribunal dunmer don't bother with...
In the end, not all dunmer are slaveholders, not all dunmer are nobles, not all dunmer think too highly of themselves and too lowly of other races.
The altmer on the other hand...
It's kinda weird how the first Aldmeri Dominion and the Thalmor are opposed to the Veiled Heritance who are racial supremacists only for the Dominion in the 4th Era (3rd Dominion?) to become just that
The interesting thing about the AD storyline is that it basically lays the groundwork for the Dominion and Thalmor of the 4th Era. The Veiled Heritance is not some upstart rebellion. Though there is some language used in the quests to try and sell them as nothing more than a minor fraction of Altmer. Their ability to go and do as they please all across Auridon, the fact the leaders are Nobles, Aristocrats, Military Leaders and Royalty says otherwise. Theyre also able to project themselves into Valenwood which is not something a minor localized rebellion would be able to accomplish. Even Aryenn doesnt seem all that shocked or emotionally offset by the revelation that theres a rebellion brewing. Its almost as if she knew how her people would respond to the idea of treating the Bosmer and Khajiit equally. The ending of the AD storyline pretty much lays it out for the player that the AD is something that is barely holding itself together, a manifestation of Aryenn and her allies will to make it happen and the hardwork of the Vestige to keep it limping on.
My opinion is that most Altmer do think of themselves as higher than all the other races. They might not share it openly as the Dunmer have. But when they feel the status quo is being threatened, in this case with the equal treatment of the ally races, the racism and superiority complexes comes bursting to the surface. The only thing the Altmer have been missing, up til the 3rd and 4th Era were leaders with the sort of ambition to assert their superiority onto Tamriel.
This, for me, is the real takeway from the AD storyline. The Veiled Heritance isn't an outlier; Ayren is. The soul of Altmer culture lies with those who would commit sedition and treason rather than treat other races as equals.
Ayren represents the best of the Altmer. She tries to lead by example, to lift them from their folly. As the 4th Era shows us, she fails.Edited by MasterSpatula on May 15, 2016 12:10AM"A probable impossibility is preferable to an improbable possibility." - Aristotle3 -
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✭✭✭✭✭TheShadowScout wrote: »Even if it does not quite mention the ashlander Dunmer, who kept to the "good daedra" and refused to follow the tribunal, keeping their ways even as it exiled them from the better parts of dunmer society, and kept them living as outcasts and heretics away from the clean cities and bountiful lands, but surviving in the harsh volcanic regions or haunted valleys the tribunal dunmer don't bother with...
In the end, not all dunmer are slaveholders, not all dunmer are nobles, not all dunmer think too highly of themselves and too lowly of other races.
Oh, but I did obliquely mention them when I said, "For this, another god cursed them all, even those who did not follow the House rule. But let's not forget that the Ahslanders keep slaves as well. They can be just as haughty and prideful as the House Dumner, and they look down on the House Dunmer every bit as much as the House Dunmer look down on them.
Pride. The Dunmer's greatest strength is also their greatest fault, but then, isn't that true of many of us?Edited by MasterSpatula on May 15, 2016 11:01AM"A probable impossibility is preferable to an improbable possibility." - Aristotle0
