Can we talk about incap in db?

kinggingernator
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Obviously it got a big buff. And i have no clue why. Nightblade has the best passives in the game (EASILY), the best class ults (EASILY) the best gap closer, the best cc, best instant cast dmg ability, and cloak. They were more than fine last patch. Now lets go over incap just to realize there is no comparison.

ult cost-50
This makes it one of the cheapest ults in the entire game. You can have this up pretty much constantly, especially with assault passive and pot passive, which is 40 ult immediately right there from a kill.

Damage
If you are running a high dmg nightblade this thing hits like a truck. The average nb has at LEAST 30k max stam and 4k weapon dmg. You can have 2k regen with that as well. With those stats its more than possible to hit 15k incaps, which hits harder than meteor even though meteor is 4 times the cost.

Other benefits
In addition to being up constantly and being one of the most if not he hardest hitting ult in the game, this thing now adds a guaranteed cc and applies major defile.

incap needs an increase in ult cost. Its ridiculous right now, although when playing a nb it feels sick and makes me want to defend it, ik at heart that this is over the top.
  • Jaronking
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    You realize its a single target ultimate so it should hit harder then a AOE Ultimate like Metor it doesn't matter that it cost more Single target always hit hit harder its balanced.
  • Spliffo
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    You hit weak meteors
  • Lynx7386
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    Jaronking wrote: »
    You realize its a single target ultimate so it should hit harder then a AOE Ultimate like Metor it doesn't matter that it cost more Single target always hit hit harder its balanced.

    this.

    If you compare flawless dawnbreaker or soul assault, they deal similar damage with ideal builds (which is what the OP is basing everything on: ideal, not average).

    Incap is fine, deal with it.
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  • lolo_01b16_ESO
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    Hm, currently I only see dks and sorcs using their class ultimates as damage skills. Templars and NBs either use Dawnbreaker / Shootingstar or utillity ultimates like warhorn, veil and nova. (Speeking purely about pve). So buffing Incap is a step into the right direction, but not enough to make stamblades competative in pve.
  • GreenSoup2HoT
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    It never occurred to me that arguably the best single target gank burst spec in the game, with an ultimate that is located in the assassination skill-line, would be so good as assassinating single players..

    I don't even know why this is even being discussed when on the other hand, you have all magicka based dps classes using Magicka Detonation like it's the only ability in their kit's, all while one shoting mulitple people with ease.

    Edited by GreenSoup2HoT on May 13, 2016 6:31PM
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  • KoreanAwtamatic
    Incap can be dodged with shuffle or blur, it can be blocked and you can dodge roll it. It also makes a nice audible noise to let you know it's coming. It's literally the easiest ultimate to mitigate or dodge. You will not dodge Dawn breaker or meteor
    Edited by KoreanAwtamatic on May 13, 2016 6:36PM
  • KoreanAwtamatic
    What other ultimates can you dodge ?
  • Silver_Strider
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    Slickst3r wrote: »
    What other ultimates can you dodge ?

    Meteor is the only ultimate you can't really do anything against except block it.

    You can dodge Overload, Soul Tether, Incapacitating Strike, Radial Sweep, Dawnbreaker and Dragon Leap. Some are easier to dodge than others but it's possible to dodge them.

    You can move out of range for Veil, Nova, Standard, Negate, Storm Atronach and the person with Corrosive Armor on.

    Soul Assault you can just bash or interrupt it with Venom Arrow/Crushing shock.


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  • Silver_Strider
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    Double post
    Edited by Silver_Strider on May 13, 2016 7:00PM
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  • Xvorg
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    Obviously it got a big buff. And i have no clue why. Nightblade has the best passives in the game (EASILY), the best class ults (EASILY) the best gap closer, the best cc, best instant cast dmg ability, and cloak. They were more than fine last patch. Now lets go over incap just to realize there is no comparison.

    Sure the best? Let me see.

    Temps have 2 passives that INCREASE their wpn dmg a lot... even more than NBs in stealth mode. Sorcs have their versions but with spell dmg. DKs have a version which increases AoE dmg effect (combine that with a MS staff)

    DKs have a passive that restores stamina each time they use a skill from the earthen earth tree(5%). In a 40K stamina build, by using a Magicka based skill such as stone giant (which costs 2.8 K with no cost reduction), they get 2 K stamina in return. That's even better than sorcs dark exchange (and they get the minor brutality buff each time they do that). Temps have a passive that increases resu speed and that have a 50% chance to gain a sould gem when they resurrect a player. The rest of us need to purchase them. Sorcs have a passive that HEALS them an 8% of their max health each time they crystal frag you

    To me, they are pretty balanced.
    ult cost-50
    This makes it one of the cheapest ults in the entire game. You can have this up pretty much constantly, especially with assault passive and pot passive, which is 40 ult immediately right there from a kill.

    Do you know Radial Sweep? It gets a cost reduction and is a AoE ulti. Not to mention Overload, which gives you an entire new bar. They cost "just" 25 ulti more than Death Stroke, but are way stronger. Now, if you want to see a hard hitting ulti with a relatively cheap cost, just look at Take Flight.
    Damage
    If you are running a high dmg nightblade this thing hits like a truck. The average nb has at LEAST 30k max stam and 4k weapon dmg. You can have 2k regen with that as well. With those stats its more than possible to hit 15k incaps, which hits harder than meteor even though meteor is 4 times the cost.

    Did you know that you can weave meteor? I do it with my Magicka NB and my flame staff. If you are good at weaving you can 1) cast grim focus 2) charge a full heavy attack 3)light attack 4 )light attack 5) light attack 6) cast shooting star 6) release assa will. That Combo (from 28 mts) does real dmg and it is not very difficut to execute. I suppose a Magicka DK could have a version of it finishing it with a strong DoT, while a sorc can crystal frag you after the meteor hit, and a magi templar can jesus beam you.
    Other benefits
    In addition to being up constantly and being one of the most if not he hardest hitting ult in the game, this thing now adds a guaranteed cc and applies major defile.

    incap needs an increase in ult cost. Its ridiculous right now, although when playing a nb it feels sick and makes me want to defend it, ik at heart that this is over the top.

    Any CC that lasts more than 2 secs is pretty much useless. Short CCs are a pain in the buttocks because they can be easily reapplied after vtheir effect ended, while long CCs give the enemy a chance to break them and then get immunity for 5 secs. 5 secs in which the CC is useless.

    Meteor CCs you, soul tether CCs you, negate magic CCs you better than any other ulti in the game. Dragon Leap CCs you, Nova and Standard can CC you through synergy, Attronach CCs you...
    Edited by Xvorg on May 13, 2016 6:59PM
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  • Silver_Strider
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    There's really not much reason to complain about Incapacitating Strike.
    Magic NB can case Soul Harvest far quicker than a Stamblade can cast IS because Soul harvest gets ultimate back on kill and they can actually use Siphoning abilities more often than Stamina builds because Swallow Soul and Sap Essence are actually useful for them to use repeatably, vs Stamblade which have Siphoning Attacks and maybe a Power Extraction here and there, so they can benefit from the siphoning passive regenerates ultimate when they cast them.
    Edited by Silver_Strider on May 13, 2016 7:03PM
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  • kinggingernator
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    Sigh. Keep your incap. I mean I have it too so whatever. Just saying it feels way overpowered. So much salt for simple facts, I stated no opinions except when wrapping up the facts I had stated.
    Also the guy that tried to say nbs don't have thee best passives... LOL! I will be making a post soon breaking down their passives. Its not even a contest.
  • Xvorg
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    Sigh. Keep your incap. I mean I have it too so whatever. Just saying it feels way overpowered. So much salt for simple facts, I stated no opinions except when wrapping up the facts I had stated.
    Also the guy that tried to say nbs don't have thee best passives... LOL! I will be making a post soon breaking down their passives. Its not even a contest.

    NBs passives are good, yes, but by no mean they are way better than the passives of the other classes. Each class has their pros and cons.

    For example, the executioner passive for a stamblade... what use could have? Just one extra cloak on kill. Major ward and major rssolve for 2 secs? Can be useful for a full heavy armor NB, but even with DB I don't see many magicka or stamina NBs going full heavy. 15% extra stam, magicka and health? Well, templars have their version on a skill and can even get a heal for free while activating it (if there's a body on the floor)
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  • KoreanAwtamatic
    Honestly I would like soul tether to be physical a age instead of incap
  • OdinForge
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    I'm a little uneasy about the buff to incap, a lot of people are gonna ***. It was kind of okay before, but people are right that it's been pretty lackluster compared to the AoE ultimates.

    But I've almost always used dawnbreaker over soul harvest in the past, because dawnbreaker was a much better ultimate. And with the changes to dawnbreaker in DB, it should still be pretty competitive anyway but with greater use due to being an AoE and DoT.
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  • brandonv516
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    Works good for magicka nb too...Merciless resolve, inner light, shadow disguise, incapacitating strike...
  • olsborg
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    Incap wasnt rly buffed per se, but made to work with CP for stamina, like magicka builds have had all along.

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  • Silver_Strider
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    olsborg wrote: »
    Incap wasnt rly buffed per se, but made to work with CP for stamina, like magicka builds have had all along.

    It was made to always stun whereas before it only applied if the target had more health than you.
    That's a buff, even if it's a mild one.
    Working with our Champion Points is just the icing on top.
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  • KoreanAwtamatic
    Honestly I would like soul tether to be physical damage instead of incap
    Edited by KoreanAwtamatic on May 13, 2016 11:19PM
  • milesrodneymcneely2_ESO
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    Slickst3r wrote: »
    Incap can be dodged with shuffle or blur, it can be blocked and you can dodge roll it. It also makes a nice audible noise to let you know it's coming. It's literally the easiest ultimate to mitigate or dodge. You will not dodge Dawn breaker or meteor
    I realize this is possible, but I honestly don't see how you people move that fast.
  • Lynx7386
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    Stamina champion point synergies aside, the real reason incapacitating strike was changed is because it was lackluster in every way to soul harvest. Nearly every nightblade, stamina and magicka alike, has been running soul harvest on their main bar in pvp because of the increased ultimate gain, and then using another ultimate on their back bar for actual damage/utility.

    The fact that people were using one morph of death stroke solely as a passive 'while slotted' ability to boost other ultimates means it's pretty low down on the list already, but even that was preferable to incapacitating strike's "chance" to stun the target. Now it's a more reliable CC method, and worth losing the extra ultimate gain soul harvest provides.
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