Will visible cp be the new kick from group

swirve · May 2016

Ive seen plenty of scrubs kick sub v16 players from random groups before the action has even kicked off.

I can only assume they dont feel the player will be up to standard / will need to be carried.

Now with visual cps any1 less than 501 is going to be seen as the sub v16 players now and more likely get kicked if they use finder.

TheDarkShadow · May 2016

They're adding vote kick option in the next DLC. Group leader can no longer kick people. You can only be booted when 3 or at least 2 people vote yes I believe.

swirve · May 2016

Yup, so 2 scrubs vote to kick the sub 501 cp.

I still feel this will happen to players.

CherryCake · May 2016

I have maybe 60 cp points...I am so screwed...

susmitds · May 2016

Nothing like that will really happen. Nobody, expect a few pricks, kicks due to Level currently. And pricks will remain pricks and kick people for no reason.

Destyran · May 2016

Hell yes ill be kicking all people under 360 cp unless some one i know can personally vouch for them sick of scrubs saying they know how to do icp or have completed it and yet you go in there on a scaled down difficulty and see that they have no idea about rotations at all. Try to teach give advice. Get abused. Kicking so many

CherryCake · May 2016

I dont really see the reason to kick people because of that to be honest... In the end I still think it depends on how people play... for example I was in a group with a vet16 tank, vet4 dps, a lv 45 girl, and me as a vet8 healer. It was probably the smoothest experience I had in ESO. The tank really knew how to do the tanking, the dps knew how to do their job, and I kept mine as well, it was great! But next I was with all over vet 14... it was a disaster, the tank was searching through his bag in the middle of the battle and hitting mobs from far away, the dps had to go in front, I had to run all over the place because the tank didnt do his job at pulling the monsters attention and gather them in a group, so people were dying constantly...

hamburgerler76 · May 2016

Destyran wrote: »

Hell yes ill be kicking all people under 360 cp unless some one i know can personally vouch for them sick of scrubs saying they know how to do icp or have completed it and yet you go in there on a scaled down difficulty and see that they have no idea about rotations at all. Try to teach give advice. Get abused. Kicking so many

i can see kicking someone if they dont know what going on and just get mad when you try to help sure but some people just genreally want to learn and we have to start somewhere sure ICP or WGT is prob not best to start on and should prob let them know that not just oh your CP sucks bye

Van_0S · May 2016

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dtm_samuraib16_ESO · May 2016

People kicking for whatever reason, should get a 2 week ban from the dungeon they kick folks in.

Tan9oSuccka · May 2016

dtm_samuraib16_ESO wrote: »

People kicking for whatever reason, should get a 2 week ban from the dungeon they kick folks in.

This is a silly idea. Use your noggin.

Some people must be kicked. You know, the guys that think their clever joining the queue with the tank role selected.....and use dual wield or a destruction staff.

Aisle9 · May 2016

Fairly new to the game, v5 atm, haven't been kicked from anything yet, but I'm very far from having enough experience for a seamless dungeon run, any kind of dungeon run. I'm fairly sure I don't even have a viable dps build for dungeon crawling, let alone a working rotation or any encounter knowledge.

Still, nobody kicked me yet, so... yeah, there's that

Every mmo has this myth about scrubs kicks being the norm, but, to be honest, if I'm in a group that feel the need to kick me, just because I'm not max level, I don't want to be in that group, and that works just fine.

That said, I do understand frustration derived from having to carry n00bs, but, in my experience, the gear level/character level is not always a clear indication of skill. That person could have been asking for advice on gear/build, but, in the end, just spamming light attacks, despite being v16 or cp 501, while a lvl 45 could be an excellent player, just leveling up an alt or something, and the group would end up having fun. Played another game for 3 years, endgame for most of them, and I've seen my share of max level n00bs, so, I learned not to judge a player skill by his/her character level. You would think an experienced player would know how to max up quick, but, meh, what if I have a stressful job and I'm taking my time to collect skyshards to have a ton of skillpoints ? or, even *gasp* enjoying the story

Then, you can have groups entirely made of scrubs that don't know what they are doing and still have fun. Stranger things happened.

... just saying

TL;DR; - I don't think it will happen that much to be considered the norm.

vyndral13preub18_ESO · May 2016

Aisle9 wrote: »

Fairly new to the game, v5 atm, haven't been kicked from anything yet, but I'm very far from having enough experience for a seamless dungeon run, any kind of dungeon run. I'm fairly sure I don't even have a viable dps build for dungeon crawling, let alone a working rotation or any encounter knowledge.

Still, nobody kicked me yet, so... yeah, there's that

Every mmo has that myth about scrubs kicks being the norm, but, to be honest, if I'm in a group that feel the need to kick me, just because I'm not max level, I don't want to be in that group, and that works just fine.

That said, I do understand frustration derived from having to carry n00bs, but, in my experience, the gear level/character level is not always a clear indication of skill. That person could have been asking for advice on gear/build, but, in the end, just spamming light attacks, despite being v16 or cp 501, while a lvl 45 could be an excellent player, just leveling up an alt or something, and the group would end up having fun. Played another game for 3 years, endgame for most of them, and I've seen my share of max level n00bs, so, I learned not to judge a player skill by his/her character level. You would think an experienced player would know how to max up quick, but, meh, what if I have a stressful job and I'm taking my time to collect skyshards to have a ton of skillpoints ? or, even *gasp* enjoying the story

Then, you can have groups entirely made of scrubs that don't know what they are doing and still have fun. Stranger things happened.

... just saying

TL;DR; - I don't think it will happen that much to be considered the norm.

This is my feeling as well., they are adding a vote kick system. 3 people will have to vote to kick you. Which goes back to your point. Why would you even want to be in a group with 3 other people who want to kick you?

I also have the same experience you do. I run 3-9 group found dungeons almost everyday. i have never seen anyone kicked because of level or had some suggest we should kick someone simply because of their level.

I have had several times where a v16 would join and then drop. So maybe they felt the group levels werent what they wanted but no one got kicked.

I have kicked several people who couldnt do the role they signed up for.

kylewwefan · May 2016

I random group a lot. If the first trash mobs of a dungeon feel like a boss fight, it's best to back out. The rest of the level won't go smooth at all. Regardless of level, some groups just don't mesh well for whatever reason.

EsoRecon · May 2016

swirve wrote: »

Ive seen plenty of scrubs kick sub v16 players from random groups before the action has even kicked off.

I can only assume they dont feel the player will be up to standard / will need to be carried.

Now with visual cps any1 less than 501 is going to be seen as the sub v16 players now and more likely get kicked if they use finder.

Yup, some guy that has 500 cp is gonna be kicked because he doesn't have 501. Sad times.

xD

bloodenragedb14_ESO · May 2016

Ive had people just leave dungeons, just up and leave after seeing the other people in the dungeon, thing is, every time that has happened we have finished with no wipes, so, yeah.........

alainjbrennanb16_ESO · May 2016

I think it wont happen as it reqires 3 votes to kick someone after the dlc, other then may say these people who kick people for no reason will just leave the group, zos has thought about that, these people who leave will be given a time penalty refairning them from joining another group straight away

Transairion · May 2016

Nothing like that will really happen. Nobody, expect a few pricks, kicks due to Level currently. And pricks will remain pricks and kick people for no reason.

I disagree, in part. While players not may KICK based on level often, they do certainly choose who to GROUP WITH by level very often: for max level players I'd even call it the norm.

You have no idea how bad it is trying to get a group for Undaunted Pledges (Gold and Silver alike) as a sub-VR16 DPS. You're like a plague victim nobody wants to go near.

Depending on how visible CP is, I'd find it likely with VR removal that players will just switch to only picking high CP players instead and leaving the others to rot once again.

"LF DPS CP300+ only"

Tan9oSuccka · May 2016

Transairion wrote: »

Nothing like that will really happen. Nobody, expect a few pricks, kicks due to Level currently. And pricks will remain pricks and kick people for no reason.

I disagree, in part. While players not may KICK based on level often, they do certainly choose who to GROUP WITH by level very often: for max level players I'd even call it the norm.

You have no idea how bad it is trying to get a group for Undaunted Pledges (Gold and Silver alike) as a sub-VR16 DPS. You're like a plague victim nobody wants to go near.

Depending on how visible CP is, I'd find it likely with VR removal that players will just switch to only picking high CP players instead and leaving the others to rot once again.

"LF DPS CP300+ only"

For me, I'll take almost anything in Normal dungeons. Even if everyone dies, my V16 DK tank can survive alone just fine.

Vet Dungeons are a bit more tricky. VR1 DD's are not good enough in my opinion and should stick to normal mode. It's just bad for everyone involved. Tank uses more resources, healer can't deal any supplemental damage etc.

MaxwellC · May 2016

Nope I'll be kicking people if they're one of those closet "I never done this before" type of person. Where they hide the fact they never did said dungeon but they're a tank/heal role which gets us consistently wiped; then come out and say after wiping 5 times "Oh I never done this before" yup you'll get a kick from me.

Van_0S · May 2016

alainjbrennanb16_ESO wrote: »

I think it wont happen as it reqires 3 votes to kick someone after the dlc, other then may say these people who kick people for no reason will just leave the group, zos has thought about that, these people who leave will be given a time penalty refairning them from joining another group straight away

True, what about leaving from GRP?

Van_0S · May 2016

Zenimax, should start supporting solo dungeons. So, no one will have to worry about being kicked due to low CP.
( that is 3 choices Solo, normal and veteran dungeon)

So, you can grind the hell out of that dungeon and then go for group.

Aisle9 · May 2016

Transairion wrote: »

"LF DPS CP300+ only"

If people don't want you in their group, why would you want to be their anyways.
I would consider the experience to be like watching weird p@rn with your catholic relatives: awkward and unnecessary.

I understand the frustration of not getting a pop from the group finder, but forcing people to group with other if they don't want to, most of the time, ends in disaster.

From an endgame player's perspective, which, granted, I still don't have in ESO, "If I'm putting an effort into getting good, and learning how to play, why would others shouldn't ? If I'm good enough to complete this encounter, why would that mean that I now have the obligation to group with less skilled players ?". That's a valid point.

As I said, the level/gear is not a good indication and, in my experience (not in ESO), many players that required max level/gear, are not that good themselves, but, often, convinced that max level/gear is, in itself, the thing required to be good, a low level character could be able to make up for that in skill, but, still, people should be able to group with like minded players.

If there's a neo-*** rally, and you despise neo-Nazis, why would you ask to participate ? Doesn't make sense to me.

I think the whole point is moot, finding a pug in an MMO will always be difficult, regardless of the tools at your disposal. One should try to make the best of what he/she has, without complaining about a situation that can easily be avoided with prevention.

As for the group finder, if getting a pop is so difficult, as many post suggests, I'm fairly sure the votekick option will only be abused by trolls or stupid people, because it would just be easier to join a guild or pug in chat, so, pointless discussion as well.

That's my opinion, I might be wrong.

Makkir · May 2016

I don't think this will be an issue other than for WGT and ICP, and prob CoA.

You can steam roll the other dungeons with a carry just easily.

Not to mention, and being honest here, I am on a very limited schedule and don't care to be stuck in groups with players who don't bother gearing correctly, using food/drink, etc for these harder randoms.

WalkingLegacy · May 2016

I hope this happens. Frequently.

susmitds · May 2016

Transairion wrote: »

Nothing like that will really happen. Nobody, expect a few pricks, kicks due to Level currently. And pricks will remain pricks and kick people for no reason.

I disagree, in part. While players not may KICK based on level often, they do certainly choose who to GROUP WITH by level very often: for max level players I'd even call it the norm.

You have no idea how bad it is trying to get a group for Undaunted Pledges (Gold and Silver alike) as a sub-VR16 DPS. You're like a plague victim nobody wants to go near.

Depending on how visible CP is, I'd find it likely with VR removal that players will just switch to only picking high CP players instead and leaving the others to rot once again.

"LF DPS CP300+ only"

Uum, I can already solo most Silvers (except Black Heart Haven) and duo most Golds, so I don't really mind carrying others.

susmitds · May 2016

Aisle9 wrote: »

Transairion wrote: »

"LF DPS CP300+ only"

I would consider the experience to be like watching weird p@rn with your catholic relatives: awkward and unnecessary.

Wait, catholics watch weird p@rn?

vyndral13preub18_ESO · May 2016

Transairion wrote: »

Nothing like that will really happen. Nobody, expect a few pricks, kicks due to Level currently. And pricks will remain pricks and kick people for no reason.

I disagree, in part. While players not may KICK based on level often, they do certainly choose who to GROUP WITH by level very often: for max level players I'd even call it the norm.

You have no idea how bad it is trying to get a group for Undaunted Pledges (Gold and Silver alike) as a sub-VR16 DPS. You're like a plague victim nobody wants to go near.

Depending on how visible CP is, I'd find it likely with VR removal that players will just switch to only picking high CP players instead and leaving the others to rot once again.

"LF DPS CP300+ only"

I guess experiences vary. I do the pledges every day. Usually que specifically for the 2 pledge dungeons and wait. Usually have a group in between 5-15 mins. I am dps. And i havent run a vr 16 char in several months. I dont mess around with the people asking for vr16 people in chat. Im not a vr16. And honestly we use the arguement if you want the group to be super duper dont use the group finder make it yourself. So those people are. Good for them.

Now i will admit that when i am really low vet level it seems people drop the group right away more often. But i just requeue the group for a replacement. No biggie. Some of the groups i have had to settle for a silver key since we couldnt pull off gold. Or some of the harder dungeons we end up failing because we cant get a group good enough to get through it. And while that is annoying, if they made everything so easy you just had to queue to get a key the whole dungeon becomes pointless.

Robbmrp · May 2016

Of course. There's too many dou**es out there currently.... It won't matter if they've completed the dungeon for all achievements, it will solely be based of a #.

Strider_Roshin · May 2016

EstelioVeleth wrote: »

I have maybe 60 cp points...I am so screwed...

You'd be safe in my group. I don't kick people for being low level, I kick people for having YOLO, Weed, 420, etc. in their name.

Reverb · May 2016

Strider_Roshin wrote: »

EstelioVeleth wrote: »

I have maybe 60 cp points...I am so screwed...

You'd be safe in my group. I don't kick people for being low level, I kick people for having YOLO, Weed, 420, etc. in their name.

Paging @Yolokin_Swagonborn lol