Calling All DC and EP to Kick AD from Haderus

PrinceFabious · May 2016

Anazasi wrote: »

Our realities, as you like to see it, is predicated only by our perceptions. When you accept the reality of what you can control and accept the limits of your individual abilities you can become wise. If you want to place the shoe on the other foot. What does K-hole say. "We run small group 12 to 16, and cant control what others do." Am I to understand that its ok for DC to have a small quality group with another 20 to 40 DC running around them and that's acceptable? The fact is both sides, all sides, zerg. The game is open world PVP and numbers will ALWAYS trump quality. You perceive a zerg only because the camera is pointed in a forward direction. And when a faction looses a fight the always return with more until they win. If you think I'm wrong look at your own ZONE chat and watch what happens when a small group gets wiped. More arrive till the odds are tipped in your favor, then you justify what just happened (zerging) by some irrelevant emotional validation. This Reality is the basis of 3 faction open PVP. Take a look at TF if you need a clearer picture. Its 11AM EST time and I'm thinking TF is pop locked by EP DC is probably 2 or 3 barred and AD is simply 1 bar trying to find a fair fight where a chance to have a good fight and win may exist.

We are talking about Haderus. Literally everything you have said is completely invalid and just a waste of a post. The proof is in the constant pop locked AD faction in Haddy. EP/DC never have the same amount of population. Its just a fact. On TF, yes its the other way around because AD left the only 30day campaign. What are you trying to say? That you guys actually outplayed the other two factions in the "recourse" based campaign. Just stop

antihero727 · May 2016

PrinceFabious wrote: »

Anazasi wrote: »

Our realities, as you like to see it, is predicated only by our perceptions. When you accept the reality of what you can control and accept the limits of your individual abilities you can become wise. If you want to place the shoe on the other foot. What does K-hole say. "We run small group 12 to 16, and cant control what others do." Am I to understand that its ok for DC to have a small quality group with another 20 to 40 DC running around them and that's acceptable? The fact is both sides, all sides, zerg. The game is open world PVP and numbers will ALWAYS trump quality. You perceive a zerg only because the camera is pointed in a forward direction. And when a faction looses a fight the always return with more until they win. If you think I'm wrong look at your own ZONE chat and watch what happens when a small group gets wiped. More arrive till the odds are tipped in your favor, then you justify what just happened (zerging) by some irrelevant emotional validation. This Reality is the basis of 3 faction open PVP. Take a look at TF if you need a clearer picture. Its 11AM EST time and I'm thinking TF is pop locked by EP DC is probably 2 or 3 barred and AD is simply 1 bar trying to find a fair fight where a chance to have a good fight and win may exist.

We are talking about Haderus. Literally everything you have said is completely invalid and just a waste of a post. The proof is in the constant pop locked AD faction in Haddy. EP/DC never have the same amount of population. Its just a fact. On TF, yes its the other way around because AD left the only 30day campaign. What are you trying to say? That you guys actually outplayed the other two factions in the "recourse" based campaign. Just stop

My guild has been in Hadrus for months before this imbalance. Not all in Hadrus is a transplant from other campaigns. We did not break the campaigns EP did in TF then DC did in AZ and we are left with the mess. Look in a mirror EP and DC, you caused the issue here with Big E mega zergs and Wiz D.

Delsskia · May 2016

First... There has never been some nefarious plot to create an exodus from TF so that AD could overwhelm Haderus. That is pure fiction. Most of us who left TF did so because casting a spell/ability and waiting 10-15 seconds, if not longer, for it to execute and then wondering if it actually hit anyone constituted unplayable lag. The reason we went to Haderus is because that's the only other place to go and still have use of the CP that we worked so hard for.

Second... I'll say it again, zergs tend to happen organically. People see on their CyrHud or on their maps where the action is and they go there. Also, people see names that they recognize and tend to follow along. Sometimes it's more like, "Holy crap, those guys actually healed/rezzed me. I'm sticking near them." Or they see a group doing actual maneuvers and follow along to learn or try to help. It happens. There was a time long ago when I followed apparently organized groups too because I wasn't in a PvP guild at the time. Activity breeds activity, that doesn't mean we're trying to zerg. People go to Cyr for the action, so they go where the action is.

Taran hit the nail on the head. When ZOS condensed Cyr down to 2 campaigns, they created the zergier zergfest conditions. And bringing back the forward camps didn't help at all. Trying to blame AD for it is just delusional. Also, ZOS please fix the Shuffle and Bombard bugs, they're beyond ridiculous.

Delphinia · May 2016

Unfortunately, too, the population bars aren't as reliable as they used to be.
It would be nice to have a separate population bar for IC. The way things have been, there really isn't a need to have it commingled with Cyrodiil.
I do know the group I was in the other day agreed to move out of the zone when our lead was asked by a group of EP, who were occupying Sej, to leave because our numbers were too much. I think we had about 8. I really respect our crown's decision to go else where in that situation.
To echo Delsskia's statement. I do see more players show up, on every faction, where there are crossed swords, people show up. It's understandable players who don't have enough in their group, or aren't in one, have to follow the larger fights; the keep sieges, etc.

Lyar09 · May 2016

antihero727 wrote: »

PrinceFabious wrote: »

No matter how you like to say " only 8 in my group" there are still 20-30 and sometimes 40-50 in the same area or even attacking another part of the map. So that "DC/EP" force you are talking about has already been split up. AD outnumbers on Haddy because they dont want to fight in TF. Until then, you have to deal with this harsh reality that you are quantity>quality

What about that 50+ DC blob at als? The one we got the 21k tick from. DC and EP tried to dethrone hard last night but failed and cried once again. If you add the EP and DC bars AD is outnumbered because the Barney Zerg was in full force last night.

I would hope AD could defend the last emp keep with those numbers and emp siege lol

Rylana · May 2016

Anazasi wrote: »

Rylana wrote: »

antihero727 wrote: »

rfennell_ESO wrote: »

Inarre wrote: »

rfennell_ESO wrote: »

Where are the AD zergs? The answer is there aren't any.

This was the best post I have ever red (pun intended). Hats off to you my friend!

Well, to be honest... I didn't know there was one.

I know now there is the nk zerg. I don't know who they are. But... I have noticed them up to nk4 or 5 in zone and most the time at least nk2. I don't follow them or join them, but I now know what people are talking about. I don't even know what nk stands for or who is even a member or who even leads them. It's a pug no ts required (as far as I know) zone chat type thing.

I tend to avoid dealing with zergs as much as possible, but yes this one exists and it's becoming bigger.

I play AD and know who they are. I personally think even though they are running crazy big zergs that this guild does not gate camp. It's a good thing that a guild is rounding up all the pugs and giving directions as there will be less gate camping and other pugish things going on. Everyone learns somewhere and NK is a good group to show newer players how to act in Cyrodiil. DC and EP are running those same numbers in TF so I don't see the issue.

The issue.

DC and EP zergs are on Trueflame
AD zerg is on Haderus
There are not enough EP and DC on Haderus to support that transitional zerg that came from trueflame.
That AD zerg needs to go back to trueflame to balance Haderus.

Now do you see it?

That being said, EP and DC can farm yellow all day, but gain ground? No chance, because even if we go deep, there are still enough AD on the server to not only lock us up in full at one keep, but take others at the same time. Locked pop vs 2 bars.

Good example of this, just last night. BRK, my 22 vs about 40 AD, possibly two full raids. During the siege drakelowe lights up 16/20 and Aleswell which is blue at the time, is also being hit 10/20

AD can just send bodies everywhere, there is no counterplay when they have five or six groups to work with, and the other factions combined have 2 maybe 3.

We did some crazy stunts yesterday to pull the zerg apart, running scrolls into fish, running scrolls backwards, taking faregyl four different times, hitting both fare and blackboot simultaneously, but still the stubborn AD zerg stayed on BRK until it was gone, and then swarmed us south will full numerical advantage. How you cant see this as being *** is beyond me.

We are forced to either defend with everything we have, vs overwhelming numbers every single fight, or attack and leave everything undefended while token AD groups take keeps and the real zerg defends every little thing we touch. Catch 22, cant get any traction because AD zergs so goddamned hard.

You are so full of yourself, I blew coffee and a little pee this morning reading your fabulous tale. This player is a zerg magnet for EP and will spew falsehoods at every corner. Last night on Had my group of 12 wiped her group of 22 three times till she/he called in 40 EP to retake the Arius Lumber mill. You must feel really proud of yourself when you can come to Had with 40 to 50 EP and roll small groups of organized players. And for the Record I have never run with NK but guess what they run maybe 1 raid of 24 and when you see NK+ a number did it ever occur to you it might be a different group leader. I know at one point Misfitz group leaders all had their own codes like 222 or 444. And you should also remember AD is always fighting on two fronts because DC and EP are bed buddies on every campaign. SO if you see NK and thing they are zerging you need to watch the map they are fighting 2 fronts all the time because of the PURPLE ALLIANCE. I have a great idea EP wants to blob role well keep it on TF stay out of Had. You are probably not even part of the solution to the issues ZOS and the players are facing. Oh and yeah EP is the ZERG BAD faction. If you cant win with even numbers easy fix bring more. What a waste of pixels.

Reality of those fights. 15 AD sitting behind the pyre stacked, emp siege hitting both sides. They will not come out, we have to initiate. Very well, drop in, kill half the group, they immediately rez to camp with full resources, more emp siege, gg.

The one time you actually pushed off the resource to fight us, you got ended in seconds. You cant fight even numbers, unless youre feeling comfy under a hail of emp-empowered cover siege.

No 40 man EP zerg showed up, it was all us, just us, about 20 all told. The change came when I said screw it and had everyone drop siege and beat you at your own game. You had to push out, and that was your downfall. Using siege to decide an even numbers fight is a crap tactic, but fight fire with fire.

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50+ AD turtling Farragut and Kings.... yeah thats not going to make EP want to do anything but push you all day and all night.

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DHale · May 2016

As an ad I wished haxus could have two teams one for haderus and one for tru lag. At least there would be two good red teams. Lots of good blue though.

God_flakes · May 2016

kyle.wilson wrote: »

This is how I feel when I'm playing on trueflame. I saw 60+ ep zerg a resource at bloodmayne.
No ad around, with everybody spamming aoes with proxy counting.

They do this to onesies and twosies DC side, too. Literally 20 to kill one player. I pst'd an EP this week and asked how they can possibly consider this good gameplay and his response? "It gets the job done."

They don't care about fostering good gameplay. For them it's win at all costs so they can come here and e-peen preen. That and they're cowards. Very few will face you without the backing of their 5,000 comrades.

Ghostbane · May 2016

Zerging in Cyrodill? What is this nonsense?

Its hard to tell players to police themselves on principles that the game was never originally built for.

God_flakes · May 2016

It certainly is acceptable to call people out on crap behavior in game. 20v1 is crap behavior. I see nothing wrong with outting it as bad behavior.

Armitas · May 2016

Leaving TF to pour into Haderus hasn't done anything for the lag. I get the same amount of frames in TF that I get in Haderus when AD pop locks against a bar or two. In fact my all time lowest FPS score wasn't in TF, it was 2 fps in Siegerus simply from trying to take a scroll with 12-15 EP.

I don't know how many people left Trueflame for Siegerus but Haderus has always poplocked against a small minority. It's not a new development. It's the same campaign it has always been from the beginning, the only thing that has changed is the excuse.

MaximillianDiE · May 2016

Armitas wrote: »

Leaving TF to pour into Haderus hasn't done anything for the lag. I get the same amount of frames in TF that I get in Haderus when AD pop locks against a bar or two. In fact my all time lowest FPS score wasn't in TF, it was 2 fps in Siegerus simply from trying to take a scroll with 12-15 EP.

I don't know how many people left Trueflame for Siegerus but Haderus has always poplocked against a small minority. It's not a new development. It's the same campaign it has always been from the beginning, the only thing that has changed is the excuse.

Quite right - Haderus was traditionally an AD buff server so not much has actually changed here in reality. It was and is always pop lock AD against a small number of DC/EP.

Rylana · May 2016

AD doesnt zerg. Did a quick headcount at BRK just now on my lolspai. 37 indivdual AD at this keep take, vs about six EP defenders. I know there are six because I made seven before I switched.

top lel

5pm zerg, pre-prime, like every other day. Now AD, are you done lying in this thread?

Rylana · May 2016

One more thing. 3 bar pop is the main focus, but look at zone, ANOTHER raid is forming. 50+ AD, now you think I make it up?

Darnathian · May 2016

Rylana wrote: »

One more thing. 3 bar pop is the main focus, but look at zone, ANOTHER raid is forming. 50+ AD, now you think I make it up?

What happen to all that smack talk you were doing going there to destroy them? lol

Rylana · May 2016

Darnathian wrote: »

Rylana wrote: »

One more thing. 3 bar pop is the main focus, but look at zone, ANOTHER raid is forming. 50+ AD, now you think I make it up?

What happen to all that smack talk you were doing going there to destroy them? lol

Oh i am farming the living hell out of them, map control isnt something one group is going to hold Darnathian.

vortexman11 · May 2016

I just wanted to say how funny it is that people are pointing fingers at EP on Trueflame for "pushing AD out". For well over a month Trueflame was a balanced campaign, and Azuras Star before that. EP AD and DC all had their organized guild groups and their zone chat pick up groups, populations were even across most hours of the day. Then the same old thing that happened to EP a few months earlier happened to DC and AD. Guilds fell apart. Organized AD groups on Trueflame disappeared with Sarenvog (as much as I hate to say it) getting banned, Crown basically quitting and moving on to a new game leaving @Telel alone to basically lead an entire faction

. Then DC pretty much lost CN which was the main group holding the map during hours when VE didn't raid. If you're pointing fingers at EP you're basically blaming us for being the only faction that didn't have a major fallout or exodus of players at the time.

As for the AD population on Haderus, I've learned to accept it. Since 2 weeks after the creation of that campaign its been mainly yellow other than for a few short cycles when it became the "main" campaign to PvP on or when LoM messed around with it nearly a year and a half ago.

Rylana wrote: »

One more thing. 3 bar pop is the main focus, but look at zone, ANOTHER raid is forming. 50+ AD, now you think I make it up?

Damn, I was just going to make a sarcastic comment saying they're all solo players or in a group of 4.

Anazasi · May 2016

Rylana wrote: »

Anazasi wrote: »

Rylana wrote: »

antihero727 wrote: »

rfennell_ESO wrote: »

Inarre wrote: »

rfennell_ESO wrote: »

Where are the AD zergs? The answer is there aren't any.

This was the best post I have ever red (pun intended). Hats off to you my friend!

Well, to be honest... I didn't know there was one.

I know now there is the nk zerg. I don't know who they are. But... I have noticed them up to nk4 or 5 in zone and most the time at least nk2. I don't follow them or join them, but I now know what people are talking about. I don't even know what nk stands for or who is even a member or who even leads them. It's a pug no ts required (as far as I know) zone chat type thing.

I tend to avoid dealing with zergs as much as possible, but yes this one exists and it's becoming bigger.

I play AD and know who they are. I personally think even though they are running crazy big zergs that this guild does not gate camp. It's a good thing that a guild is rounding up all the pugs and giving directions as there will be less gate camping and other pugish things going on. Everyone learns somewhere and NK is a good group to show newer players how to act in Cyrodiil. DC and EP are running those same numbers in TF so I don't see the issue.

The issue.

DC and EP zergs are on Trueflame
AD zerg is on Haderus
There are not enough EP and DC on Haderus to support that transitional zerg that came from trueflame.
That AD zerg needs to go back to trueflame to balance Haderus.

Now do you see it?

That being said, EP and DC can farm yellow all day, but gain ground? No chance, because even if we go deep, there are still enough AD on the server to not only lock us up in full at one keep, but take others at the same time. Locked pop vs 2 bars.

Good example of this, just last night. BRK, my 22 vs about 40 AD, possibly two full raids. During the siege drakelowe lights up 16/20 and Aleswell which is blue at the time, is also being hit 10/20

AD can just send bodies everywhere, there is no counterplay when they have five or six groups to work with, and the other factions combined have 2 maybe 3.

We did some crazy stunts yesterday to pull the zerg apart, running scrolls into fish, running scrolls backwards, taking faregyl four different times, hitting both fare and blackboot simultaneously, but still the stubborn AD zerg stayed on BRK until it was gone, and then swarmed us south will full numerical advantage. How you cant see this as being *** is beyond me.

We are forced to either defend with everything we have, vs overwhelming numbers every single fight, or attack and leave everything undefended while token AD groups take keeps and the real zerg defends every little thing we touch. Catch 22, cant get any traction because AD zergs so goddamned hard.

You are so full of yourself, I blew coffee and a little pee this morning reading your fabulous tale. This player is a zerg magnet for EP and will spew falsehoods at every corner. Last night on Had my group of 12 wiped her group of 22 three times till she/he called in 40 EP to retake the Arius Lumber mill. You must feel really proud of yourself when you can come to Had with 40 to 50 EP and roll small groups of organized players. And for the Record I have never run with NK but guess what they run maybe 1 raid of 24 and when you see NK+ a number did it ever occur to you it might be a different group leader. I know at one point Misfitz group leaders all had their own codes like 222 or 444. And you should also remember AD is always fighting on two fronts because DC and EP are bed buddies on every campaign. SO if you see NK and thing they are zerging you need to watch the map they are fighting 2 fronts all the time because of the PURPLE ALLIANCE. I have a great idea EP wants to blob role well keep it on TF stay out of Had. You are probably not even part of the solution to the issues ZOS and the players are facing. Oh and yeah EP is the ZERG BAD faction. If you cant win with even numbers easy fix bring more. What a waste of pixels.

Reality of those fights. 15 AD sitting behind the pyre stacked, emp siege hitting both sides. They will not come out, we have to initiate. Very well, drop in, kill half the group, they immediately rez to camp with full resources, more emp siege, gg.

The one time you actually pushed off the resource to fight us, you got ended in seconds. You cant fight even numbers, unless youre feeling comfy under a hail of emp-empowered cover siege.

No 40 man EP zerg showed up, it was all us, just us, about 20 all told. The change came when I said screw it and had everyone drop siege and beat you at your own game. You had to push out, and that was your downfall. Using siege to decide an even numbers fight is a crap tactic, but fight fire with fire.

[Snip]

50+ AD turtling Farragut and Kings.... yeah thats not going to make EP want to do anything but push you all day and all night.

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You are so full of it. We LOS'd you just like you did us with the tower the wall and the wood pile. Each time you came to the flag we wiped you until you had twice our numbers. PS the EMP was not in our group or there when this happened. You need to check your visual perception.

Tonight 5/11 for all those who don't think EP or DC has a population on Haddy that zergs. EP locked DC 3 bar AD locked. I will be happy to post video tomorrow of the wonderful fights we had. Raylana you need to get your eyes checked and don't try to play devils advocate with me. I stream everything live including the silly attempt by EP to get that scroll back from BM tonight. Great way to use a lvl 10 AD alt for EP. What a bunch of hog wash.. EP needs to go organic for real.

holosoul · May 2016

@Rylana
Funny you should say that but our group was 10 players, the meatbag was one of them, and we wiped you 4 or 5 times with ZERO DEATHS in our group, until you came with a group of 20 - 25 and no less than 5 siege + random pugs who joined in which was about 30 v 10, then you finally wiped us once; we put a camp and rezzed, you wiped us again and we left.

I don't know why you feel the need to lie though.

Edit: we were also laughing and joking about how you were going to say you were outnumbered later

mchermie · May 2016

Anazasi wrote: »

Tonight 5/11 for all those who don't think EP or DC has a population on Haddy that zergs. EP locked DC 3 bar AD locked.

This is true. But dont forget the fact that AD took pretty much the whole map while on 3 bars vs ep and dc on 1 bar

antihero727 · May 2016

Rylana wrote: »

One more thing. 3 bar pop is the main focus, but look at zone, ANOTHER raid is forming. 50+ AD, now you think I make it up?

You are just sad. Last night on your AD toon following raids letting your EP friends know where they are going. I watched you walk through EP toons without being attacked. This is one reason AD is pop locked between the spies and multi faction sewer farmers. I actually feel bad for you now sinking so low.

rfennell_ESO · May 2016

Rylana wrote: »

One more thing. 3 bar pop is the main focus, but look at zone, ANOTHER raid is forming. 50+ AD, now you think I make it up?

The only thing that screenshot shows is that NK(1) is forming.

How you get 50 people out of that isn't all that odd, mostly because you are a liar.

To point, nearly everything you say is deceptive or a straight up lie. Oddly, Haderus is rarely if ever locked versus 1 bar of either faction at prime time. It's always active AD outnumbered by cross faction spy (spy insulting whole faction in /z) using malcontents.

You gotta be a little off to dedicate the time you "dedicate" to attacking AD. As for the "Lol guys I'm farming them lolz" concept, you are the one that gets farmed and judging by your rank of 30 or something EP side, for someone that actually puts in a full time hours playing... that's pretty bad.

rfennell_ESO · May 2016

Rylana wrote: »

AD doesnt zerg. Did a quick headcount at BRK just now on my lolspai. 37 indivdual AD at this keep take, vs about six EP defenders. I know there are six because I made seven before I switched.

top lel

5pm zerg, pre-prime, like every other day. Now AD, are you done lying in this thread?

Someone should "awesome" his ability to count. In no screenshot is there more than 15 AD players.

That's a zerg all right.

vamp_emily · May 2016

Delsskia wrote: »

Gate camping? Yeah, I've seen it happen and I try to discourage it.

Gate camping is a good thing if AD is doing it.

They tend to stand at the gate and let the guards kill them. Never really understood that, but I sure did get allot of AP watching them.

Inarre · May 2016

Having technical difficulties preventing pvp play. You guys make me feel like i havent missed anything

This forum pk is top notch.

diskiukas · May 2016

It's funny that we have topic about AD in Haderus, when it's not even comparable to what happens on TF. I seriously started to think that EP found a way to multiply. ZOS please look into it, I am sure they have Broodmother stashed somewhere.

Ghostbane · May 2016

No harm on the Haderus argument, but 3 bar/poplocked EP are taking everything on TF at the moment against minimal resistance.

#allFactionsZerg

God_flakes · May 2016

Ghostbane wrote: »

No harm on the Haderus argument, but 3 bar/poplocked EP are taking everything on TF at the moment against minimal resistance.

#allFactionsZerg

What's new? They have been doing this for over a month. They're more than tickled to Zergdoor each keep and scroll and then enjoy their circle jerk zerging down 2 bars of DC and 1 bar of ad.

Rylana · May 2016

Guess im gonna have to start using videos then, I knew someone would pick at the screenshots approach (sorry its virtually impossible to encompass the full scale of AD's zerg from one angle of image).

Also, Rfennel, between my toons I am AR 47. Let that sink in a moment. Sure being AR 36 on Lyzara seems low by itself, but I have six full time PvP chars I rotate between. Ive actually played AD/DC on trueflame more often this last two months. Kinda enjoying the free AP. At the same time, in primetime, I am usually on the EP sorc on Haderus, again enjoying free AP.

I chase AP man. Always have. Im actually saddened my crusade here cost me over 100k ap at roebeck yesterday while DR was farming the yellow zerg until it quit and pushed BRK in protest.

bitaken · May 2016

antihero727 wrote: »

PrinceFabious wrote: »

Anazasi wrote: »

Our realities, as you like to see it, is predicated only by our perceptions. When you accept the reality of what you can control and accept the limits of your individual abilities you can become wise. If you want to place the shoe on the other foot. What does K-hole say. "We run small group 12 to 16, and cant control what others do." Am I to understand that its ok for DC to have a small quality group with another 20 to 40 DC running around them and that's acceptable? The fact is both sides, all sides, zerg. The game is open world PVP and numbers will ALWAYS trump quality. You perceive a zerg only because the camera is pointed in a forward direction. And when a faction looses a fight the always return with more until they win. If you think I'm wrong look at your own ZONE chat and watch what happens when a small group gets wiped. More arrive till the odds are tipped in your favor, then you justify what just happened (zerging) by some irrelevant emotional validation. This Reality is the basis of 3 faction open PVP. Take a look at TF if you need a clearer picture. Its 11AM EST time and I'm thinking TF is pop locked by EP DC is probably 2 or 3 barred and AD is simply 1 bar trying to find a fair fight where a chance to have a good fight and win may exist.

We are talking about Haderus. Literally everything you have said is completely invalid and just a waste of a post. The proof is in the constant pop locked AD faction in Haddy. EP/DC never have the same amount of population. Its just a fact. On TF, yes its the other way around because AD left the only 30day campaign. What are you trying to say? That you guys actually outplayed the other two factions in the "recourse" based campaign. Just stop

We did not break the campaigns EP did in TF then DC did in AZ and we are left with the mess. Look in a mirror EP and DC, you caused the issue here with Big E mega zergs and Wiz D.

Sorry, I am calling your BS for exactly what it is. I don't play on Haderus personally - EHJ did for a week and had fun - and we saw a LOT of the AD that were zerging Azura's the previous batch.

Einherjar (EHJ for short) and FWF turned Azura's from a completely yellow map - with the AD emperor regularly recapturing warden / rayles with no DC scrolls - into a 2-3 bars of DC V POP LOCK AD server. We fought daily to hold onto our pizza slice and maybe Dragonclaw. We eventually got out to Ales and Ash and through creative back capping and teamwork were able to dethrone the AD emp. Once that was done we were able to recapture scrolls and then push AD's poop in. We never let them breathe. They would cap faregyl....and we would cap it right back. Their raid leader would cry to me in tells asking why we were doing this....and I referred them to the historical behavior of AD in Azura's and the resultant behavior of DC as a repercussion of that behavior.

Now, most of the AD who were happily gate camping DC and the very few EP on Azura's are mostly on haderus. I know this personally for a fact. Last night we actually got some good fights against AD as they had about 35 or so on Azura's all blobbed up and ready to be farmed. We were able to wear them down and wipe them out at Ash and I have no idea if anything else happened. EHJ has been on Azura's in the evening - and leveling EP toons to play on Azura's during the "down times".

Why would a guild of 10-12 people re-roll factions? Because we happen to love the ruleset on Azura's and we want to play in a balanced campaign. DC zergs there now and that's because of the hard work of a few (mainly FWF and EHJ and a group of pugs that would at least listen to suggestions) that has now benefited the many. That is the way of things.

I will continue to play DC in the evening on Azura's for the PvP and fun of it - and prepare my EP toons for the massive zerg of DC and AD which will likely return to Azura's once a group that acts a lot like the spine of DC...leaves to play EP toons. However, you will not see EHJ on DC in Azura's once we finish our EP group of characters. I find that both distasteful, and manipulative and will not participate in that kind of behavior.

So, tell it like it is for REAL or please do not speak of it.