Why NB's are OP in 1 picture

God_flakes · May 2016

Roehamad_Ali wrote: »

Not even sure when that dude became a thing to worry about . Now if I run into Hektik or Crystallized , I still get a sinking feeling things might get rough . Not even sure Crystals still around but yeah . A lot of the real scary smart players seem absent of late .

Crys is on all the time and falls to my blades/resto/mad siege skillz all the time.

JDar · May 2016

Welp thread ruined.

@Jules made a good point tbh. Nightblades can sneeze and get three minor buffs.

Publius_Scipio · May 2016

JDar wrote: »

Welp thread ruined.

@Jules made a good point tbh. Nightblades can sneeze and get three minor buffs.

In comparison to a templar passing gas and killing five in a 1v5?

Rohamad_Ali · May 2016

God_flakes wrote: »

Roehamad_Ali wrote: »

Not even sure when that dude became a thing to worry about . Now if I run into Hektik or Crystallized , I still get a sinking feeling things might get rough . Not even sure Crystals still around but yeah . A lot of the real scary smart players seem absent of late .

Crys is on all the time and falls to my blades/resto/mad siege skillz all the time.

Did he suffer a stroke ? Siege is OP . Plz nerf

God_flakes · May 2016

Publius_Scipio wrote: »

JDar wrote: »

Welp thread ruined.

@Jules made a good point tbh. Nightblades can sneeze and get three minor buffs.

In comparison to a templar passing gas and killing five in a 1v5?

Nope. Not ruined. BETTER.

Worstluck · May 2016

I step away from the game for a while, and come to find out that now the class I've always played since closed beta, a magicka based NB is now OP. I LOVE IT......

Gilliamtherogue · May 2016

DDuke wrote: »

Sustained damage: Currently, stamina nightblades are considered the weakest PvE DPS. As far as I know, I'm the only stamina nightblade to ever even complete vMoL. That's how weak it currently is compared to stamina DKs/Templars, that can dish out double the sustained DPS of a NB. - Since we're talking of sustained DPS, this applies to PvP as well. Stamina NBs quite simply don't have any powerful class DoTs, and even Rapid Strikes deals more DPS than Surprise Attack.

Sorry to burst your bubble, but you're not the only one to, I'm on that list. I can agree with the fact that Stamblades are currently in a terrible place PvE wise, but we're still ahead of stam sorcs and stamplars, so I guess there's that? If you're getting out DPSed by those classes then you may want to readjust your build.

Funny you mention RS being more DPS than SA, which it is, and SA is still getting a minor nerf on the PTS next Monday, as well as Death Stroke and its morphs. I was quite surprised when I heard it and even questioned the decision. Their response was pretty much that the other buffs across the class (apparently FIXING scaling mechanics is called buffs with skills) made up for it. Meanwhile the top DPS (stamina DK's, which have been #1 since vMA daggers came around) is also getting buffed, with no nerfs to it anywhere.

nordickittyhawk · May 2016

Gilliamtherogue wrote: »

DDuke wrote: »

Sustained damage: Currently, stamina nightblades are considered the weakest PvE DPS. As far as I know, I'm the only stamina nightblade to ever even complete vMoL. That's how weak it currently is compared to stamina DKs/Templars, that can dish out double the sustained DPS of a NB. - Since we're talking of sustained DPS, this applies to PvP as well. Stamina NBs quite simply don't have any powerful class DoTs, and even Rapid Strikes deals more DPS than Surprise Attack.

Sorry to burst your bubble, but you're not the only one to, I'm on that list. I can agree with the fact that Stamblades are currently in a terrible place PvE wise, but we're still ahead of stam sorcs and stamplars, so I guess there's that? If you're getting out DPSed by those classes then you may want to readjust your build.

Funny you mention RS being more DPS than SA, which it is, and SA is still getting a minor nerf on the PTS next Monday, as well as Death Stroke and its morphs. I was quite surprised when I heard it and even questioned the decision. Their response was pretty much that the other buffs across the class (apparently FIXING scaling mechanics is called buffs with skills) made up for it. Meanwhile the top DPS (stamina DK's, which have been #1 since vMA daggers came around) is also getting buffed, with no nerfs to it anywhere.

MY man...

please tell me your joking.. whinney mother ******* magic users... god damn it.

EsoRecon · May 2016

Jules Logic = nerf all classes to be like stam sorcs

DDuke · May 2016

Gilliamtherogue wrote: »

DDuke wrote: »

Sustained damage: Currently, stamina nightblades are considered the weakest PvE DPS. As far as I know, I'm the only stamina nightblade to ever even complete vMoL. That's how weak it currently is compared to stamina DKs/Templars, that can dish out double the sustained DPS of a NB. - Since we're talking of sustained DPS, this applies to PvP as well. Stamina NBs quite simply don't have any powerful class DoTs, and even Rapid Strikes deals more DPS than Surprise Attack.

Sorry to burst your bubble, but you're not the only one to, I'm on that list. I can agree with the fact that Stamblades are currently in a terrible place PvE wise, but we're still ahead of stam sorcs and stamplars, so I guess there's that? If you're getting out DPSed by those classes then you may want to readjust your build.

Funny you mention RS being more DPS than SA, which it is, and SA is still getting a minor nerf on the PTS next Monday, as well as Death Stroke and its morphs. I was quite surprised when I heard it and even questioned the decision. Their response was pretty much that the other buffs across the class (apparently FIXING scaling mechanics is called buffs with skills) made up for it. Meanwhile the top DPS (stamina DK's, which have been #1 since vMA daggers came around) is also getting buffed, with no nerfs to it anywhere.

Awww, now I feel less special

I can readjust my build all I want, I'm not going to do 45k DPS at Rakkhat like stam DKs (hitting 30k alone is a miracle as stamblade).

Stamplars also get much more DPS than stamblades with proper build, largely thanks to the cleave from jabs (which already has better DPS than SA on single target).

Stamina sorcs I've never seen there (do they exist?) so can't really comment on that :P

Where did you hear this about SA/Incap getting nerfed btw? That makes absolutely no sense, considering how they're outperformed by pretty much everything out there (even stam sorcs next patch have better class skills for dps).
Killer's Blade dealing disease damage is a small buff to DPS (same with Relentless Focus), but by no means does it even get us close to stam DK/stamplar DPS.

And them nerfing Death Stroke while DBOS deals more burst (and gives 3% more weapon dmg) is just.......

Gilliamtherogue · May 2016

DDuke wrote: »

Gilliamtherogue wrote: »

DDuke wrote: »

Sustained damage: Currently, stamina nightblades are considered the weakest PvE DPS. As far as I know, I'm the only stamina nightblade to ever even complete vMoL. That's how weak it currently is compared to stamina DKs/Templars, that can dish out double the sustained DPS of a NB. - Since we're talking of sustained DPS, this applies to PvP as well. Stamina NBs quite simply don't have any powerful class DoTs, and even Rapid Strikes deals more DPS than Surprise Attack.

Sorry to burst your bubble, but you're not the only one to, I'm on that list. I can agree with the fact that Stamblades are currently in a terrible place PvE wise, but we're still ahead of stam sorcs and stamplars, so I guess there's that? If you're getting out DPSed by those classes then you may want to readjust your build.

Funny you mention RS being more DPS than SA, which it is, and SA is still getting a minor nerf on the PTS next Monday, as well as Death Stroke and its morphs. I was quite surprised when I heard it and even questioned the decision. Their response was pretty much that the other buffs across the class (apparently FIXING scaling mechanics is called buffs with skills) made up for it. Meanwhile the top DPS (stamina DK's, which have been #1 since vMA daggers came around) is also getting buffed, with no nerfs to it anywhere.

Awww, now I feel less special

I can readjust my build all I want, I'm not going to do 45k DPS at Rakkhat like stam DKs (hitting 30k alone is a miracle as stamblade).

Stamplars also get much more DPS than stamblades with proper build, largely thanks to the cleave from jabs (which already has better DPS than SA on single target).

Stamina sorcs I've never seen there (do they exist?) so can't really comment on that :P

Where did you hear this about SA/Incap getting nerfed btw? That makes absolutely no sense, considering how they're outperformed by pretty much everything out there (even stam sorcs next patch have better class skills for dps).
Killer's Blade dealing disease damage is a small buff to DPS (same with Relentless Focus), but by no means does it even get us close to stam DK/stamplar DPS.

On the final boss stamplars might beat a stamblade, but every other boss they're going to win because there are set moments of single target and AoE instead of moments where a cleave is more beneficial than one or the other. I don't feel like saying X class is better because it can out DPS in certain circumstances is justified, each class should be stronger in certain areas than others, it's literally the purpose of diversity and why classes exist.

Stamina sorcs don't really exist, except for my alt that was scrapped from caster (He's a High Elf...) I average ~26-29k on my stam sorc on fights compared to my stamblades 34-36k (with the exception of the final boss). All caster classes are leagues above and stam DK's are even moreso (except 2nd boss).

I have ears in the right places and was apart of a discussion with ZoS and many players of the game and it was brought up as a PTS change to be examined. It will likely make it to live because of this community's lack of ability to think rationally when it comes to game balance between PvP and PvE, but who knows. I agreed and mentioned that, and even stated that RS is beating SA, especially now that the cast time is less than half of what it was before.

Jules · May 2016

I just don't even understand how this thread has devolved into fighting about PVE DPS in the Alliance War section.

DDuke · May 2016

Gilliamtherogue wrote: »

DDuke wrote: »

Gilliamtherogue wrote: »

DDuke wrote: »

Sustained damage: Currently, stamina nightblades are considered the weakest PvE DPS. As far as I know, I'm the only stamina nightblade to ever even complete vMoL. That's how weak it currently is compared to stamina DKs/Templars, that can dish out double the sustained DPS of a NB. - Since we're talking of sustained DPS, this applies to PvP as well. Stamina NBs quite simply don't have any powerful class DoTs, and even Rapid Strikes deals more DPS than Surprise Attack.

Sorry to burst your bubble, but you're not the only one to, I'm on that list. I can agree with the fact that Stamblades are currently in a terrible place PvE wise, but we're still ahead of stam sorcs and stamplars, so I guess there's that? If you're getting out DPSed by those classes then you may want to readjust your build.

Funny you mention RS being more DPS than SA, which it is, and SA is still getting a minor nerf on the PTS next Monday, as well as Death Stroke and its morphs. I was quite surprised when I heard it and even questioned the decision. Their response was pretty much that the other buffs across the class (apparently FIXING scaling mechanics is called buffs with skills) made up for it. Meanwhile the top DPS (stamina DK's, which have been #1 since vMA daggers came around) is also getting buffed, with no nerfs to it anywhere.

Awww, now I feel less special

I can readjust my build all I want, I'm not going to do 45k DPS at Rakkhat like stam DKs (hitting 30k alone is a miracle as stamblade).

Stamplars also get much more DPS than stamblades with proper build, largely thanks to the cleave from jabs (which already has better DPS than SA on single target).

Stamina sorcs I've never seen there (do they exist?) so can't really comment on that :P

Where did you hear this about SA/Incap getting nerfed btw? That makes absolutely no sense, considering how they're outperformed by pretty much everything out there (even stam sorcs next patch have better class skills for dps).
Killer's Blade dealing disease damage is a small buff to DPS (same with Relentless Focus), but by no means does it even get us close to stam DK/stamplar DPS.

On the final boss stamplars might beat a stamblade, but every other boss they're going to win because there are set moments of single target and AoE instead of moments where a cleave is more beneficial than one or the other. I don't feel like saying X class is better because it can out DPS in certain circumstances is justified, each class should be stronger in certain areas than others, it's literally the purpose of diversity and why classes exist.

Stamina sorcs don't really exist, except for my alt that was scrapped from caster (He's a High Elf...) I average ~26-29k on my stam sorc on fights compared to my stamblades 34-36k (with the exception of the final boss). All caster classes are leagues above and stam DK's are even moreso (except 2nd boss).

I have ears in the right places and was apart of a discussion with ZoS and many players of the game and it was brought up as a PTS change to be examined. It will likely make it to live because of this community's lack of ability to think rationally when it comes to game balance between PvP and PvE, but who knows. I agreed and mentioned that, and even stated that RS is beating SA, especially now that the cast time is less than half of what it was before.

Well, I guess we'll have to just wait & see to see the changes. Hopefully they're aware of the other NB issues and remedy those while nerfing other aspects (though completely unnecessary).

Still, it sounds like I'll keep playing my templar in PvP next patch.

Gilliamtherogue · May 2016

Jules wrote: »

I just don't even understand how this thread has devolved into fighting about PVE DPS in the Alliance War section.

Because this game is more than just the part you play.

Jules · May 2016

Gilliamtherogue wrote: »

Jules wrote: »

I just don't even understand how this thread has devolved into fighting about PVE DPS in the Alliance War section.

Because this game is more than just the part you play.

Fair enough. I believe there's a section for that too.

DDuke · May 2016

Jules wrote: »

I just don't even understand how this thread has devolved into fighting about PVE DPS in the Alliance War section.

Oh, it already devolved into "Is Reaper's Mark a burst heal?" discussion, and then into a nerf sorc thread (thanks @Soulac), into "is Mojican an elf?" discussion and now it's about PvE DPS.

Does it really surprise you?

JDar · May 2016

Worstluck wrote: »

I step away from the game for a while, and come to find out that now the class I've always played since closed beta, a magicka based NB is now OP. I LOVE IT......

The meek inherited the earth. Who would have thought.

Gilliamtherogue · May 2016

Jules wrote: »

Gilliamtherogue wrote: »

Jules wrote: »

I just don't even understand how this thread has devolved into fighting about PVE DPS in the Alliance War section.

Because this game is more than just the part you play.

Fair enough. I believe there's a section for that too.

I mean with a bait thread title such as this I'm not sure what you expected. Saying Nightblade's are OP because they have a lot of self buff and debuff management built into their class is silly. I'd agree with a title like "Why NB's Are Well Rounded in 1 picture". We can do a lot, but we don't excel at anything other than ganking, which by nature is toxic I can agree. I would much rather the class's burst potential be distributed a bit more evenly throughout their kit so it would serve better in PvE and PvP while still being enjoyable to fight against or as.

The issues with NB's are none of the buffs you listed, and its even been pointed out that we lack a lot of buffs that other classes have that make them much more terrifying to fight (Major Mending). Also many of our skills that give us buffs are mere shadows compared to other abilities, such as Mirage to Shuffle. Why would I ever take ~1.5% mitigation compared to immunity to snares and the illusion that I'm exploiting (I don't actually think Shuffle is bugged based on the data I've seen, but it's still funny when people call others cheaters for it). The issue is the class's ability to make you feel as if there was nothing you could do against it (which is far from the truth, but in a game like ESO, combat is hard to learn at an advanced level if you're dying and on tilt all the time).

Any game you play, the class or character that has stealth option in PvP are often the most vocalized against when it comes to hatred and calling OP, because stealth by nature is a concept that forces more thought process be put forth when fighting against it. The innate safety of being undetected and slipping away is infuriating to combat against, even with dozens of tools to break stealth. For the longest of time PvP's meta has been centered around toxic builds that revolve around killing people as quickly and with as little counter play as possible, so it's no surprise NB's have always been popular.

Then you think, well why not just nerf stealth play to the point where it's not an issue? Well then that kills the entire purpose of the NB class to exist, stealth play is what they're focused on. What are you going to replace it with that satisfies the wants of the players who want that game play? I'm not saying it's impossible to balance stealth or NB's, it totally is, but it isn't easy. I would totally love to shift away from the burst meta and cheesiness of NB PvP into something more developed with a high skill cap potential, but calling for flat our nerfs is not the way to reach that.

KenaPKK · May 2016

@Gilliamtherogue wait, how exactly are they nerfing SA and Death Stroke?

Gilliamtherogue · May 2016

KenaPKK wrote: »

@Gilliamtherogue wait, how exactly are they nerfing SA and Death Stroke?

Just a slight number reduction, on the PTS (next build update). I don't recall the exact #'s but ~5% each so nothing over the top but it's still a bit ridiculous seeing that it'll hit them in PvE as well despite them pulling really low numbers in comparison to other classes.

DDuke · May 2016

Gilliamtherogue wrote: »

Jules wrote: »

Gilliamtherogue wrote: »

Jules wrote: »

I just don't even understand how this thread has devolved into fighting about PVE DPS in the Alliance War section.

Because this game is more than just the part you play.

Fair enough. I believe there's a section for that too.

I mean with a bait thread title such as this I'm not sure what you expected. Saying Nightblade's are OP because they have a lot of self buff and debuff management built into their class is silly. I'd agree with a title like "Why NB's Are Well Rounded in 1 picture". We can do a lot, but we don't excel at anything other than ganking, which by nature is toxic I can agree. I would much rather the class's burst potential be distributed a bit more evenly throughout their kit so it would serve better in PvE and PvP while still being enjoyable to fight against or as.

The issues with NB's are none of the buffs you listed, and its even been pointed out that we lack a lot of buffs that other classes have that make them much more terrifying to fight (Major Mending). Also many of our skills that give us buffs are mere shadows compared to other abilities, such as Mirage to Shuffle. Why would I ever take ~1.5% mitigation compared to immunity to snares and the illusion that I'm exploiting (I don't actually think Shuffle is bugged based on the data I've seen, but it's still funny when people call others cheaters for it). The issue is the class's ability to make you feel as if there was nothing you could do against it (which is far from the truth, but in a game like ESO, combat is hard to learn at an advanced level if you're dying and on tilt all the time).

Any game you play, the class or character that has stealth option in PvP are often the most vocalized against when it comes to hatred and calling OP, because stealth by nature is a concept that forces more thought process be put forth when fighting against it. The innate safety of being undetected and slipping away is infuriating to combat against, even with dozens of tools to break stealth. For the longest of time PvP's meta has been centered around toxic builds that revolve around killing people as quickly and with as little counter play as possible, so it's no surprise NB's have always been popular.

Then you think, well why not just nerf stealth play to the point where it's not an issue? Well then that kills the entire purpose of the NB class to exist, stealth play is what they're focused on. What are you going to replace it with that satisfies the wants of the players who want that game play? I'm not saying it's impossible to balance stealth or NB's, it totally is, but it isn't easy. I would totally love to shift away from the burst meta and cheesiness of NB PvP into something more developed with a high skill cap potential, but calling for flat our nerfs is not the way to reach that.

This is why I asked @Jules many, many pages ago what aspects of NB she felt are "overpowered"

Because I do agree there are things that could and should be toned down, but there are also a lot of things NBs need help with - things that currently make them downright unplayable in most situations that dont involve ganking.

The most obvious solution to the whole "instagib meta" that most people probably find the "overpowered" aspect of Nightblade (due to being able to escape more easily after killing someone) would be giving everyone 4-5 times more health than they currently have, so instagibs don't happen.

Of course, this would require significant nerfs to healing & damage shields, which are the main reason instagibs are in some way even required in the current meta.
If you cannot outdamage someones heals & damage shield spam, and that someone never runs out of resources, your only hope is to get that person from 100% (where health usually sits due to ridiculous healing & shielding) to 0% as quickly as humanely possible.

The most elegant solution (in my opinion) would be giving heals & dmg shields 1000% bigger cost in PvP.

That way, you'd have protection against burst damage (on top of the 4-5x bigger health pool) - but you also wouldn't be able to become unkillable by spamming defensive abilities.

But those would be pretty big changes.

If ZOS just wants to nerf Nightblade damage even more, then the least I'd expect (for PvP) is a 5-10k (and 20k whenever it bugs out) shield added to cloak.

For PvE, I'd like Relentless Focus to leave a strong damage over time effect on top of the initial damage.

Ara_Valleria · May 2016

Publius_Scipio wrote: »

Quite honestly, I could give a rat's a** about that elf Aenlir with his justin bieber elf facial features and his robotic elf girlfriend Ara Valleria of Valleria with valerian steel and friendly with Jared Mormont.....

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Lyar09 · May 2016

Ara_Valleria wrote: »

Publius_Scipio wrote: »

Quite honestly, I could give a rat's a** about that elf Aenlir with his justin bieber elf facial features and his robotic elf girlfriend Ara Valleria of Valleria with valerian steel and friendly with Jared Mormont.....

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YAAAAAS hahahaha

Aenlir · May 2016

Ara_Valleria wrote: »

Publius_Scipio wrote: »

Quite honestly, I could give a rat's a** about that elf Aenlir with his justin bieber elf facial features and his robotic elf girlfriend Ara Valleria of Valleria with valerian steel and friendly with Jared Mormont.....

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Publius_Scipio · May 2016

For those of you that do not know, she wasted the time in her life to spell out she is a beliber in binary. Not to be unexpected for an elf.

My war with the elves is not over by a long shot.

Erondil · May 2016

Thats just too incomplete to prove anything, even moreso than your "nerf radiant destruction" thread. NB has certainly the most build diversity, they can be competitive in PvP with ranged stam build; melee stam build; ranged light armour build; melee light armour build; tanky heavy armour build... but there is no NB build that is by far better than any other build on live unlike the pre 1.5 light armour DK. Heck give other classes the same build diversity... but there is not much to nerf on current NB.

Yolokin_Swagonborn · May 2016

pettifogging ˈpedēˌfôɡiNG/
adjective
1. placing undue emphasis on petty details.
2. Most of the responses in this thread trying to downplay holistic dominance of the NB toolkit in any way they can.

Is there really any difference between saying NB's OP or saying NBs are balanced but all other classes are UP and need to be brought up to par?

Factually, those statements are equivalent. The Daedra is in the details of HOW we accomplish this task implied by the statements. If people were more honest about the problem instead of just fearing the solution, we could get a much clearer conversation.

On the other hand, I think its fair to fear the solution a bit we have all experienced "Fixes" (read: bandaids) from ZOS where the medicine was worse than the disease.

Erondil · May 2016

Yolokin_Swagonborn wrote: »

pettifogging ˈpedēˌfôɡiNG/
adjective
1. placing undue emphasis on petty details.
2. Most of the responses in this thread trying to downplay holistic dominance of the NB toolkit in any way they can.

Is there really any difference between saying NB's OP or saying NBs are balanced but all other classes are UP and need to be brought up to par?

Factually, those statements are equivalent. The Daedra is in the details of HOW we accomplish this task implied by the statements. If people were more honest about the problem instead of just fearing the solution, we could get a much clearer conversation.

On the other hand, I think its fair to fear the solution a bit we have all experienced "Fixes" (read: bandaids) from ZOS where the medicine was worse than the disease.

Every other class has at least one build that can compete with any NB build. What they're missing compared to NB is only the build diversity

Joy_Division · May 2016

DDuke wrote: »

Joy_Division wrote: »

DDuke wrote: »

genjutsu_kami wrote: »

RinaldoGandolphi wrote: »

Of course! @Jules

Nightblades have always been insanely OP and anyone who played in the early days of the game and knew who King of Thieves, Murdo, and Araxleon know this full well.

Try fighting a Nightblade as a Magicka DK....I have no burst, I have to play defensive...I have to play out of my mind to win, i make one mistake i lose, he can make multiple mistakes and still win....he is on the offensive 80% of the fight, i have to play perfect and wait for the perfect opening to kill him...his Suprise Attack spam renders all my armor useless, He also has an AOE Hard CC that ignores my block, forces me to lose control of my toon, has a delay before it can be broken, snares me 50% and inflicts me with Minor maim to just add icing to the cheese cake.

When i run into a Nightblade, its not my fight to win, its his fight to lose....before anyone chimes in with dueling, i don't care about duels, duels mean nothing, the only thing that matters is open world pvp and folks don't wear the same gear or slot the same skills in duels as they do in just standard open world game play.

Hey just because im a Nightblade i get 15% more Health, Magic and Stamina Recovery, don't even have to slot anything...my DK has to slot an ability just to get a measly 5% Health Recovery which is useless.

I stopped leveling my Nightblade at level 24 4 months ago because it was stupidly OP...anyone can learn how to AC and land 3-4 attacks on someone at once insta-killing them out of stealth.

With nearly 29k Health, almost 20k Armor(before buffed) All Impen Gold Gear and 60+ points in Hardy and 30+ points in Resistant a Nightblade still hit me for 23k+ Damage with a Stealth Attack while I was buffed with Spiked Armor(add another 5,280 Armor)I had to play out of my mind to win that encounter....give me a break...and Nightblades have the audacity to complain about Radiant Destruction? get real!

...Suprise Attack is just face roll DPS spam as @Xylena put it...its really a joke...

Stamina Nightblade is the most powerful class spec in the game by a large margin...Stamina DK is in second but they are a very long way down the totem pole to second place....

80% of Cyrodiil will be Nightblades next update...Surprise Attack spam alone will kill 6 out of 10 players easily, Nightblades will be worse then they were in the IC update...its going to be comical....

Not to mention the new poisons being introduce favor stealth gank gameplay.(which is far too strong as it is)...Archers will pew pew you hidden from range, infect you with a poison that makes all your skills cost 60% more, while he takes half your health and then moves in for the 1 shot kill.

This whole thing is so stupidly broken they might as well rename the game Call of Duty Online.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qqxr9npkbHo

This right here shouldn't even be possible...guy is wearing 5 Heavy Armor on the Vid and is still insta-killed. I don't care if they are Emp or not...that right there is what is broken about Stealth gameplay, and it will only get worse with the next update.

i completely agree with everything on the above. the video itself is outrageous. please zos look at this ***

Yeah, and look at this Nightblade too!

https://youtu.be/oSXWtKE61rk

So op, please ner- oh, wait a second - it's not a NB?

An awkward silence fills the room. People look around, confused.

This video is an obvious forgery.

At 0:18 I see Alcast on his stamina build being Jesus Beamed while attacking another player. Not only does Alcast kill his target, but then proceeds to murder the Jesus Beaming templar. According to the forums, this can not and does not happen in PvP.

If you look closer, you'll notice he went into sneak mode while being jesus beamed!

Must be a secret Nightblade, this explains everything.

Obvious forgery is obvious forgery. I doubt your premise that a stam DK can be so clever to actually use a potion to cover up the skill she has most trouble countering.

Derra · May 2016

Is there anyone disagreeing that all classes should offer the same possibilities of build variety (in the respective classes flavor) as NB currently does?

Magica Melee
Stamina Melee
Magica Range
Stamina R... - Oh hey ZOS how about implementing something that finally enables pure ranged stam builds eh?