Bug with siege and vicious death

RoyJade · March 2016

No, I won't tell it's abnormal if VD proc on siege kill. That's not the point here, nor the buggued "execute" function VD got.
It's another game breaking problem.

I've been killed three time now by a coldharbour fire ballista + VD combo. What's the problem with that ? Three problem :
- FTC recorded it one time as a critical ballista hit. From a "critical" hit I don't take so much damage, but it might be an important point. Sorry, it's a non critical who killed me on the picture I have taken.
- There is no name and no alliance rank, meaning that nobody used the ballista or wear the VD set for the game. Both FTC, Codex and the death recap are agree on this point.
- And the worst part, there was no red circle, no ballista shot, no ballista, no sound. A free hit, I feel like killed by a divine moderator and not by normal player tool.
I asked on the zone channel, some people take similar shot and being most of the time one shotted. It's a really annoying bug, being killed by something we can't avoid or counter. More, if it's an exploited bug, it should be fixed very fast.

Note : EU server, blackwater, 18pm-20pm (Paris' hour).

Oldmanlawlor · March 2016

Maybe it was Zeus?

Lightninvash · March 2016

RoyJade wrote: »

No, I won't tell it's abnormal if VD proc on siege kill. That's not the point here, nor the buggued "execute" function VD got.
It's another game breaking problem.

I've been killed three time now by a coldharbour fire ballista + VD combo. What's the problem with that ? Three problem :
- FTC recorded it one time as a critical ballista hit. From a "critical" hit I don't take so much damage, but it might be an important point. Sorry, it's a non critical who killed me on the picture I have taken.
- There is no name and no alliance rank, meaning that nobody used the ballista or wear the VD set for the game. Both FTC, Codex and the death recap are agree on this point.
- And the worst part, there was no red circle, no ballista shot, no ballista, no sound. A free hit, I feel like killed by a divine moderator and not by normal player tool.
I asked on the zone channel, some people take similar shot and being most of the time one shotted. It's a really annoying bug, being killed by something we can't avoid or counter. More, if it's an exploited bug, it should be fixed very fast.

Note : EU server, blackwater, 18pm-20pm (Paris' hour).

well cold harbor siege weapons don't have a red circle or any tell tale signs you just get hit... that's one thing right there

RoyJade · March 2016

Lightninvash wrote: »

well cold harbor siege weapons don't have a red circle or any tell tale signs you just get hit... that's one thing right there

I have other enemies's coldharbour weapon red circle, it's the first time since IC I don't see one. And really, I don't see the projectile, the impact or the ballista itself.

Refuse2GrowUp · March 2016

I have been getting hit by ults that I did not see or hear...standing inside Bats or having a meteor dropped on me and not knowing I was in danger till I was dead and reviewing the death recap. This is on PS4 NA.

I know all siege, to include cold harbors, are supposed to show red circles, and I believe they do most of the time, but it would seem some graphic and audible ques are dropping with the lag.

Edit: Also of interest is that I have seen VD dmg on 1v1 death recaps. Maybe I am interpreting the 5 set bonus wrong, but shouldn't that dmg only apply to other targets if you die, or to you if other tgts die near you? Should VD be applying damage to you on your own death? Is it possible this is merely a UI thing in terms of tracking dmg and in fact you were already dead and VD did no dmg to you but because you were the 'source' of the explosion it has to show on your death recap?

RoyJade · March 2016

Refuse2GrowUp wrote: »

Also of interest is that I have seen VD dmg on 1v1 death recaps. Maybe I am interpreting the 5 set bonus wrong, but shouldn't that dmg only apply to other targets if you die, or to you if other tgts die near you? Should VD be applying damage to you on your own death? Is it possible this is merely a UI thing in terms of tracking dmg and in fact you were already dead and VD did no dmg to you but because you were the 'source' of the explosion it has to show on your death recap?

It's a known bug, and it's why I don't use this set now. With probably desynchro problem, the set bonus often proc when the target is low life, acting as an execute.
I even see the set procced on a player who wasn't dead after the explosion.

qrichou · March 2016

i got in a 1vs1 and got killed by 8k dmg 3k 5k 7k and 16 k vd by the same player only us 2 no ballista onxbox console i hoped i was wrong but they did it again .

hamgatan · May 2016

this is a definite exploit.

i got hit by it tonight.. same thing - no player in the death recap. however i ALSO got hit by the Skoria proc as well as VD!

got out of the keep and snuck up to the Siege and dispatched the AD Exploiter quick from behind.

....and then took time to report them (along with the two Lotus Fan / Keep Door exploiters from 2 mins before). No regrets.

those effects should NOT be proccing off siege.. and especially not from the top of Alessia Farm hill!

Rohamad_Ali · May 2016

I keep reading mixed opinions . I wish a game master would just respond and say working as intended or not .

Rune_Relic · May 2016

L2P noob...tons of counters for that!

/sarcasm

moonio · May 2016

I've been able to execute a viscous death without any VD gear on by jumping my horse into a zerg or jumping off a tower into a zerg trying to take a resource.
I always thought a friendly developer/moderator gave me special powers for my bravery

IcyDeadPeople · May 2016

hamgatan wrote: »

this is a definite exploit.

i got hit by it tonight.. same thing - no player in the death recap. however i ALSO got hit by the Skoria proc as well as VD!

got out of the keep and snuck up to the Siege and dispatched the AD Exploiter quick from behind.

....and then took time to report them (along with the two Lotus Fan / Keep Door exploiters from 2 mins before). No regrets.

those effects should NOT be proccing off siege.. and especially not from the top of Alessia Farm hill!

Vicious Death proc on siege is not a bug at all. The set is intended to counter large groups standing together in tight formation, spamming AOE and healing springs etc.

When you see it appear in your death recap when it procs on you, however, this part is reportedly a UI bug, as it does not do any damage to the person who died and triggered the explosion.

Desommettor · May 2016

This was the intention; To give players the ability to break up the 20 man bundles that run around. if you don't want to get hit by seige or VD then don't stand so close to all the bundles.

IcyDeadPeople wrote: »

hamgatan wrote: »

this is a definite exploit.

i got hit by it tonight.. same thing - no player in the death recap. however i ALSO got hit by the Skoria proc as well as VD!

got out of the keep and snuck up to the Siege and dispatched the AD Exploiter quick from behind.

....and then took time to report them (along with the two Lotus Fan / Keep Door exploiters from 2 mins before). No regrets.

those effects should NOT be proccing off siege.. and especially not from the top of Alessia Farm hill!

Vicious Death proc on siege is not a bug at all. The set is intended to counter large groups standing together in tight formation, spamming AOE and healing springs etc.

When you see it appear in your death recap when it procs on you, however, this part is reportedly a UI bug, as it does not do any damage to the person who died and triggered the explosion.

This is exactly right it is working as intended and was a needed change to break up zergs and improve quality of PVP.

alexkdd99 · May 2016

How does it proc in 1v1?

hamgatan · May 2016

maybe so....but Skoria?

Deandril · May 2016

hamgatan wrote: »

this is a definite exploit.

i got hit by it tonight.. same thing - no player in the death recap. however i ALSO got hit by the Skoria proc as well as VD!

got out of the keep and snuck up to the Siege and dispatched the AD Exploiter quick from behind.

....and then took time to report them (along with the two Lotus Fan / Keep Door exploiters from 2 mins before). No regrets.

those effects should NOT be proccing off siege.. and especially not from the top of Alessia Farm hill!

Please elaborate why you would call this an exploit. Because this person was firing siege with a Vicious Death set and Skoria set equipped? And anyone trying to prevent their enemies from escaping into a keep has ended up gap closing ACCIDENTALLY through the door at some time because of a long standing broken mechanic. I wish posters on this forum would making accusations of exploiting when they don't like how the game works.

IcyDeadPeople · May 2016

alexkdd99 wrote: »

How does it proc in 1v1?

It can proc when you get killed in 1v1 by someone wearing VD. When you see it on your death recap, this part is a UI bug that shows it proc'd and would have damaged nearby allies but reportedly it does zero actual damage to you.

ZOS_TFlemming wrote: »

To clarify, this is a visual bug with death recap where it still counts the proc as a hit for death recap purposes even though you're already dead. The set is not actually dealing damage to the person who procs it before they die, sorry for the confusion.

hamgatan · May 2016

Deandril wrote: »

hamgatan wrote: »

this is a definite exploit.

i got hit by it tonight.. same thing - no player in the death recap. however i ALSO got hit by the Skoria proc as well as VD!

got out of the keep and snuck up to the Siege and dispatched the AD Exploiter quick from behind.

....and then took time to report them (along with the two Lotus Fan / Keep Door exploiters from 2 mins before). No regrets.

those effects should NOT be proccing off siege.. and especially not from the top of Alessia Farm hill!

Please elaborate why you would call this an exploit. Because this person was firing siege with a Vicious Death set and Skoria set equipped? And anyone trying to prevent their enemies from escaping into a keep has ended up gap closing ACCIDENTALLY through the door at some time because of a long standing broken mechanic. I wish posters on this forum would making accusations of exploiting when they don't like how the game works.

I'm aware it's a broken mechanic. But I still keep my stance on this. Not sorry at all.

Regardless of the broken mechanic.. if you are deliberately misusing it, then that is exploiting. If you did it by accident.. you don't hide at a postern door waiting.. you dont wait for a res inside the door for 5 minutes after you've been killed.. knowing full well your exploiting buddies jumped through the door with you.. and you have a forward camp up the hill.

Someone did it an hour earlier as well but at least he had the balls to whisper and say 'sorry that was unintentional'.

Bofrari · May 2016

Rune_Relic wrote: »

L2P noob...tons of counters for that!

/sarcasm

Muhahaha this is by far the truest statement in the post but of course you can't speak the truth everything needs to be all sugar coated.