Its not you its them. Any decent tank (and dps) know that you do NOT stand in the fire (and red dots) unless it is absolutely vital or impossible to do so otherwise (bloodspawn). I have built a max damage magicka templar tank which with jabs can heal through most things while doing really good damage at the same time. The only thing I can think of is that the tank was trying to do as much damage as they could to shorten the fight.

In my experience with tanking in this game I have found that if the tank can heal themselves (and even other party members - love templar tanks ) the healer can focus on doing damage and the healer will (almost) have more spell power/crit and magicka which means more damage than the tank can ever pull off. Therefore, the longer the healer has to heal, the longer the fight is going to take no matter how much damage the tank is pulling off.

I use to go around playing the game with pugs until I got invited into a PvE guild. Boy... did that change my experience playing the game. Not only are the people there more organized and a lot better geared, they actually go out of the way to help others in the guild so that everyone gets better. Also, hardly any rude people except for when joking around. Go out and find a PvE guild so you do not have to worry about having people like you mentioned before.

Aaaaarrrrrrrrgggggggghhhhhhhhhh *dies

Clearly a DPS issue.....

As a Healer, I'd say that Tank was a jerk who's missing the most fundamental rule of group dungeons: Don't Stand In Stupid. Not least of all because they're using Breath of Life as a regular part of a Healer's rotation, rather than as the emergency heal that it's designed for. BoL is expensive, and there is never any need to waste your Healer's Magicka needlessly. If the Healer has more Magicka, they can pull off an emergency heal if something unexpected happens (e.g. phone calls, cat attacks, etc). Or they can DPS as required so that the fight ends sooner and you can finish the dungeon quicker.

Standing in fire isn't always stupid as a Tank. For example, my bf likes to stand in fire during certain bosses (e.g. Maw of the Infernal in Veteran Banished Cells) because he knows that his Tank build can withstand it. I actually find that method easier to heal than the alternative, where the Tank leads the Daedroth around the room until the floor is covered in fire. But the Flame Bloom and Lava Geyser mechanics in Veteran City of Ash are such that it seems odd for the Tank to decide to stand in the fire when there's plenty of platform that isn't on fire.

However. It was the last fight in the dungeon. You only had to get through that one fight before getting your Gold Key and never having to speak to those players ever again. If I was in a PuG like that, I'd do whatever they wanted (assuming it was possible!) just to get the key and get out of there.

definitely avoid them lmao

Kildayen wrote: »

cmackay2010rwb17_ESO wrote: »

Ok I'm a templar healer and I heal just fine, no complaints always get feedback and 'ty' after dungeons, last night I ran into my first stand-off with other players (3 of them obviously knew each other and I was the pug) during the Skoria fight in vCOF (which I've completed many times) when the tank was targeted with the Flame Spout attack (the ground fire fountain that lasts about 10 secs and shoots lines of flame in all directions) he wouldn't move out of it, just stand there in the middle of it and take mad damage and eventually die, the team blamed me saying I should stack 3xHealing Spring and 1xBoL and repeat, I simply asked the tank to side step out of the middle if the Flame Attack so he wasn't taking mad damage but he refused and told me to do my job, now this really annoyed me 1) was a bit rude 2) I had never seen a tank just stand there and expect to be healed thru it.

That's the longest sentence I have ever read!

It's fine though (with the nice use of commas and all) - it was obviously said with one very large and long breath!

daemonios wrote: »

If you play in a group, adapt to the group. There are several ways to do things. As a tank, I usually avoid Skoria's flame, not just for me but for any melee dps in the party. But it's true that standing in stupid may be an actual tactic. I never ever move out of the Maw of the Infernal's fire unless the healer can't keep up. Makes a huge difference having him stationary in the middle of the room facing away from the group or having him chase the tank doing laps around the room.

Another example, this one in vCoA, is Horvuntand, another daedroth. There are many ways to do this boss - fight him normally and take care of the adds; or everyone piles up on the pillar while the tank keeps him near the tree; or everyone stacks up on the boss' face, burn him down and ignore the adds. The latter is much quicker, but everyone will be standing in stupid the whole time. It requires a healer who can outheal all the damage (as well as DPS that's good enough to burn the boss before the damage overwhelms the group).

Seems to me you had a case of both you and the rest of the team telling each other "it's my way or the high way".

Yeah I guess it was a bit like that, maybe not that harsh, just a simple request to side step, maybe from his perspective his was a simple request as well, to just heal thru it. Eso is serious stuff ^^ lol.

Miszou wrote: »

Dungeons are team events, not special snowflake events.

If 3 group members are asking for something and 1 is saying no, who's the special snowflake?

Miszou wrote: »

If you're going to stand in stupid and make other members of your team work extra hard because you're too precious to just step to the side, you're not helping anyone.

Not necessarily true; see my post above.

Miszou wrote: »

I wouldn't run with that "tank" again, even if Meridia herself was healing.

They probably wouldn't want to run with you again either... Look, it's one thing if a tank can't do his job or just stands in red for the sake of it, with no advantage to the group. It's a whole different thing when someone proposes something as a tactic and you won't budge from what you think is the right way.

cmackay2010rwb17_ESO wrote: »

Ok I'm a templar healer and I heal just fine, no complaints always get feedback and 'ty' after dungeons, last night I ran into my first stand-off with other players (3 of them obviously knew each other and I was the pug) during the Skoria fight in vCOF (which I've completed many times) when the tank was targeted with the Flame Spout attack (the ground fire fountain that lasts about 10 secs and shoots lines of flame in all directions) he wouldn't move out of it, just stand there in the middle of it and take mad damage and eventually die, the team blamed me saying I should stack 3xHealing Spring and 1xBoL and repeat, I simply asked the tank to side step out of the middle if the Flame Attack so he wasn't taking mad damage but he refused and told me to do my job, now this really annoyed me 1) was a bit rude 2) I had never seen a tank just stand there and expect to be healed thru it. Am I being too precious here, being asked to heal thru it? Was he being too stubborn by not simply side stepping? And yes I probably could heal thru it, but I got annoyed at the teams insistence that he "shouldn't have to" move. Maybe he's used to being healed thru it, I'm certainly not used to seeing a tank do that tho ... A very uncomfortable standoff

i will put this here for you, it made me laugh when i first started to be a healer. and i find it REALLY true. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2DxS7eT_ky4

I don't need much more in matter of monster shoulders and since it's not so easy to find groups in the period of the day I play these days, because of such behavior of PUGs (mor often to me, thankfully) is that I almost don't poderes anymore.

Only WGT and ICP. One day the whole team will drink enough coffee to help get my no-death achievement.

But to be fair... You don't really need a tank for Darkshade

Tell that tank to step it up and drop group. You're not going to win any arguments as you've got 3 likely friends all backing each other up. I've seen and played as tank in that fight and it's easy enough for a solid tank to keep themselves up with only minimal support if they play it smart. Refusing to get out of the red, then dying in the red, then blaming the healer is laughable. Get out of that fail group and never look back. You did your part by suggesting a strategy that could very easily work. They refused. Not much else to do.

newtinmpls wrote: »

PhatGrimReaper wrote: »

Clearly a DPS issue.....

Now it's interesting that while some events/bosses clearly do have a DPS wall/escalating mobs (or whatever) some don't.

So if you have a good communicating (this is the biggie) group, you can do gold vet Darkshade Caverns (the one with the engine guardian at the end) and it's okay if it takes for ever .... running around in half-circles, killing adds, and only occasionally getting a hit on the actual boss. But with coordinated effort even a non-expert group can do it.

-if no one stands in stupid
-if people cluster close enough that the healer doesn't have to be spamming BoL
-if the plan is known by everyone
-and it's MUCH easier if you have some kind of Skype/chat to occupy you as it will take a while.

Same with gold vet Fungal Grotto; you have to really coordinate and communicate, and it takes a long time. It is doable.

IF you don't have either lots of patience, or lots of communication (ideally both) THEN it becomes a DPS issue.

There a very, very, VERY few mechanics in this game that can't be overcome with enough DPS!

PhatGrimReaper wrote: »

There a very, very, VERY few mechanics in this game that can't be overcome with enough DPS!

Which can be a frustrating thing for those who just can't get that much DPS together.

I just wanted to point out that while many of the bosses do have increasing-mobs-of-death "timers", there are at least these two that can be done with tenacity and communication.

For me that's a fun way to play. I'm glad it's an option, at least sometimes, and I wish it was more.