xblackroxe wrote: »

bowmanz607 wrote: »

xblackroxe wrote: »

bowmanz607 wrote: »

xblackroxe wrote: »

nordsavage wrote: »

Slayyer-AUS wrote: »

Why is stamina dk getting buffed next patch? It is already the highest dps in the game. Rapid strikes is also already op why would you reduce the cast time of it. Im surprised there is no thread about this.

Stamina Dps of any kind is not the highest dps in the game by a long shot and Rapid Strikes has a long channel time. When Dark Brotherhood releases only then will stamina Dps be actually competitive. Why else do you think everyone runs magicka builds.

LoL. Stam DK is already the best PvE dps at the moment.

i dont get the argument that it is already highest dps. So this change literally has no effect on what is already occurring in pve then, so what is the issue. Additionally, why does everyone think that every class should be equally as good at everything? Lets just make all classes give the same dps in pve and pvp along with equal healing and equal tanking in both as well. You know what, lets just drop classes and make on universal class for everyone. maybe that will solve the problem. Dk has dots which is why they are able to achieve such high dps in pve. This is not true for pvp in which dk are not the best.

Well I´m all for diversity but there is a difference between diversity and one class just being plain OP. Also nobody says everybody says every class should be the same. I never said this. But 5k dps more already AND getting buffed (buff or just fix doesn´t matter) next patch is just wrong.
Also stam dk is hands down the best class in 1v1 and really not bad in open world so I don´t see your argument.

I would disagree that they are the best in 1v1. Dk are among my highest killed next to nb then temp than sorc. As for open world I would personally place Dk currently at 3 in Stam only in front of sorc until next patch I like them as much as temp. It is all about prefers playstyle.

What do you mean with highest killed? If I understand correctly that only means there are many dk's running around.
I wouldn't say they are far behind anything stam dk can wreck people hard.

Sorry, let me clarify. They are the easier kills for me. They have been since launch for me. The thing is that Stam dk either rely on wb or sword and board. I can't even remember the last time I was killed by a wb. Heck, I can't even remember the last time I was killed by a leap. You can just side step it all. As for sword and board, they may take an extra bit longer to take down, but they are not putting out the damage to kill me. All it takes is a well timed burst.

bowmanz607 wrote: »

xblackroxe wrote: »

bowmanz607 wrote: »

xblackroxe wrote: »

bowmanz607 wrote: »

xblackroxe wrote: »

nordsavage wrote: »

Slayyer-AUS wrote: »

Why is stamina dk getting buffed next patch? It is already the highest dps in the game. Rapid strikes is also already op why would you reduce the cast time of it. Im surprised there is no thread about this.

Stamina Dps of any kind is not the highest dps in the game by a long shot and Rapid Strikes has a long channel time. When Dark Brotherhood releases only then will stamina Dps be actually competitive. Why else do you think everyone runs magicka builds.

LoL. Stam DK is already the best PvE dps at the moment.

i dont get the argument that it is already highest dps. So this change literally has no effect on what is already occurring in pve then, so what is the issue. Additionally, why does everyone think that every class should be equally as good at everything? Lets just make all classes give the same dps in pve and pvp along with equal healing and equal tanking in both as well. You know what, lets just drop classes and make on universal class for everyone. maybe that will solve the problem. Dk has dots which is why they are able to achieve such high dps in pve. This is not true for pvp in which dk are not the best.

Well I´m all for diversity but there is a difference between diversity and one class just being plain OP. Also nobody says everybody says every class should be the same. I never said this. But 5k dps more already AND getting buffed (buff or just fix doesn´t matter) next patch is just wrong.
Also stam dk is hands down the best class in 1v1 and really not bad in open world so I don´t see your argument.

I would disagree that they are the best in 1v1. Dk are among my highest killed next to nb then temp than sorc. As for open world I would personally place Dk currently at 3 in Stam only in front of sorc until next patch I like them as much as temp. It is all about prefers playstyle.

What do you mean with highest killed? If I understand correctly that only means there are many dk's running around.
I wouldn't say they are far behind anything stam dk can wreck people hard.

Sorry, let me clarify. They are the easier kills for me. They have been since launch for me. The thing is that Stam dk either rely on wb or sword and board. I can't even remember the last time I was killed by a wb. Heck, I can't even remember the last time I was killed by a leap. You can just side step it all. As for sword and board, they may take an extra bit longer to take down, but they are not putting out the damage to kill me. All it takes is a well timed burst.

Would be nice to know what class you play. Cause I have a stam DK which I played enough PvP with to get some general info about how it works and I really didn´t had that much of a problem fighting whatever comes at me except sorcs which are really hard if you can´t keep up wings all the time.

MaxwellCrystal wrote: »

Lol people always love coming up with stories.

First it was "Stamina DK is the best 1v1 class in ESO" and now it's "Stamina DK has the highest DPS in all of ESO". I'd love to know how we do. Is it the 2 stamina abilities we have that are only viable in PvE and PvP 1v1s? You need that maelstrom dual wield weapons for it to be viable at all imo.

I mean come on now the 1v1 concept is all about our passive battle roar that for some reason makes us the most OP class in all of tamerial, that sends all other classes to oblivion because of how OP it supposedly is. We got 2 stamina abilities so please just no.

Magicka DK is the highest PvE DPS IMO, I can't out-pace my magicka DK with all the DoTs it has that are just pure deadly.

I'd love to know what excuse will be given next explaining how stamina DK is the most OP class; maybe it'll be the ultimate take flight or that we somehow synergize with every weapon in the game better because other classes supposedly can't.

re read the op it states stam dk has the highest dps thats what this about

MaxwellCrystal wrote: »

@lathbury
Yeah and if you read my post I comment on his statement.

I don't see how it does when Magicka DK is best in slot with all the DoTs it has at it's disposal. Stamina DK has two DoTs that do decent damage in PvE but PVP nope and those 2 DoTs are all the stamina class DPS DragonKnights have. I saw his video where he pulled 42k in a trial using various skill but it's not like any other stamina base class can't preform near or surpass that DPS.

I feel that many people have stories about how this class is OP and needs no buffs/skill changes when other classes can out preform it in the same setup style.

show me a mag dk doing that then?
other classess cant pull that dps especially not some of the other stamina builds. you see it by the other dps being linked in the raid. a stam nb wont get that neither will a stam templar and stam sorc forget it. If you can link a video or screen shot of a stam sorc doing that fine I will concede the point that buffing dk's stam build and not other classes was a good move.

I think top dps atm is stam dk followed by mag dk mag plar and mag blade. Thats why the op posted they buffed his stam dk and not the other stam builds or not to the extent. the same discussion can be had about pvp stam blades

MaxwellCrystal wrote: »

@lathbury
I'm quite sure you can look up and see builds hitting close or over 42k heck doing a quick search on YT I see a video of a Mag sorc hitting 39.7k DPS in the MAW trial.https://youtube.com/watch?v=Ntw8Xlah7Hg&ab_channel=YoloWizard
Heck Magicka DK in IC hitting 60k+ DPS lol?
https://youtube.com/watch?v=GClVU3V5O6Q&ab_channel=YoloWizard

Can't find any videos regarding stamina sorc only builds but I'm sure you can search trial videos of people using it. Like I said any class can out preform or come close with the same setup. So yes again Magicka DK has the Highest DPS.

right 2 points 39.7k is not 44 as per the op's latest results.second the 60k fight is 1 on a mag nb the dk got 56K and its a short aoe fight. how any of this is relevant to other stam builds getting buffs is beyond me though.on a single target the mag dk got 41k over 41 seconds not the same ass 44 for 6 minutes.

@lathbury
Not sure how its irrelevant as you touted that Stam DK is the highest DPS and Mag DK was the second best DPS so yeah. Like I said before 39.7k ok what did I say before that classes can come close or surpass that and this class certainly came close to his 42k video so stop right there and I'm not sure what's his latest result.

lathbury wrote: »

I think top dps atm is stam dk followed by mag dk mag plar and mag blade.

@lathbury
Well then the quote I have from you needs to be clarified a bit more. The IC fight isn't a NB it's a Mag DK too btw and the only thing I think Stam DKs need is FoB back to where it used to be and 10% stamina return that's it; I would argue for a poison whip but that's not going to happen according to wrobel. Also no IMO the stamina class that needs a buff is Sorc every other class can preform ok enough (except NB with it's amazing performance)

@xblackroxe actually I do know what I'm talking about since I have a lot of maelstrom weapons myself including dual wield precise axes. I've used the DoTs before and yeah they do a lot of damage but Mag DK is the highest for PvE DPS no contest. Now if we compare Stamina classes then I will yield to that notion because then it becomes true. So there's no l2p going here as I can set up more DoTs faster + flame damage scales correctly with CP too and that's not even counting valkyn in the mix.

I will repeat again Magicka DK has the highest sustained DPS in PvE (Over all) Stamina DK has the highest for PvE (For stamina classes only).

double post

Alcast wrote: »

All classes perform different in different fights. A good player with a weak class will still do more dps than a bad player with a good class.

yeah nobody is arguing that mate the op raised a good point why buff a build all ready pulling the best numbers and not other stam builds.
would have liked to see other stam builds brought up to par. instead we got buffs to dk stam in pve and stam blade in pvp. it makes no sense

lathbury wrote: »

Alcast wrote: »

All classes perform different in different fights. A good player with a weak class will still do more dps than a bad player with a good class.

yeah nobody is arguing that mate the op raised a good point why buff a build all ready pulling the best numbers and not other stam builds.
would have liked to see other stam builds brought up to par. instead we got buffs to dk stam in pve and stam blade in pvp. it makes no sense

Other classes also got buffs. The biggest buff however is change of Dawnbreaker from magick to physical damage. Dawnbreaker will be the ulti to go to as a Stamina NON-DK setup. Because you can empowet the Dawnbreaker DoT by Maelstrom enchantment.

Alcast wrote: »

lathbury wrote: »

Alcast wrote: »

All classes perform different in different fights. A good player with a weak class will still do more dps than a bad player with a good class.

yeah nobody is arguing that mate the op raised a good point why buff a build all ready pulling the best numbers and not other stam builds.
would have liked to see other stam builds brought up to par. instead we got buffs to dk stam in pve and stam blade in pvp. it makes no sense

Other classes also got buffs. The biggest buff however is change of Dawnbreaker from magick to physical damage. Dawnbreaker will be the ulti to go to as a Stamina NON-DK setup. Because you can empowet the Dawnbreaker DoT by Maelstrom enchantment.

yeah they did but imho and the op's obviously not enough. dawnbreaker buffs look sweet as you say not sure enough though for pve to lift the under performng stam builds.

lathbury wrote: »

Alcast wrote: »

lathbury wrote: »

Alcast wrote: »

All classes perform different in different fights. A good player with a weak class will still do more dps than a bad player with a good class.

yeah nobody is arguing that mate the op raised a good point why buff a build all ready pulling the best numbers and not other stam builds.
would have liked to see other stam builds brought up to par. instead we got buffs to dk stam in pve and stam blade in pvp. it makes no sense

Other classes also got buffs. The biggest buff however is change of Dawnbreaker from magick to physical damage. Dawnbreaker will be the ulti to go to as a Stamina NON-DK setup. Because you can empowet the Dawnbreaker DoT by Maelstrom enchantment.

yeah they did but imho and the op's obviously not enough. dawnbreaker buffs look sweet as you say not sure enough though for pve to lift the under performng stam builds.

What is your mainclass? Stamina NB got also very decent buffs. The only 2 setups that still kind of lack some nice skills/passives are Stamina Templar/Sorc.

As long as ZOS does not give those more DoTs they will always be weaker.

Alcast wrote: »

lathbury wrote: »

Alcast wrote: »

lathbury wrote: »

Alcast wrote: »

All classes perform different in different fights. A good player with a weak class will still do more dps than a bad player with a good class.

yeah nobody is arguing that mate the op raised a good point why buff a build all ready pulling the best numbers and not other stam builds.
would have liked to see other stam builds brought up to par. instead we got buffs to dk stam in pve and stam blade in pvp. it makes no sense

Other classes also got buffs. The biggest buff however is change of Dawnbreaker from magick to physical damage. Dawnbreaker will be the ulti to go to as a Stamina NON-DK setup. Because you can empowet the Dawnbreaker DoT by Maelstrom enchantment.

yeah they did but imho and the op's obviously not enough. dawnbreaker buffs look sweet as you say not sure enough though for pve to lift the under performng stam builds.

What is your mainclass? Stamina NB got also very decent buffs. The only 2 setups that still kind of lack some nice skills/passives are Stamina Templar/Sorc.

As long as ZOS does not give those more DoTs they will always be weaker.

I mainly play nb's lol run with my magblade more than anything but have 3 magblades (1 pve,1 pvp,1 tank) 2 stamblades (1 pvp, 1 pve) and a stam dk.
as an aside I am happy where mag blade dps sits it shouldnt be highest cause of the aoe we can do and the heals. (just wish they wouldnt keep nerfing the heals but thats a different thread)

Alcast wrote: »

lathbury wrote: »

Alcast wrote: »

lathbury wrote: »

Alcast wrote: »

lathbury wrote: »

Alcast wrote: »

All classes perform different in different fights. A good player with a weak class will still do more dps than a bad player with a good class.

yeah nobody is arguing that mate the op raised a good point why buff a build all ready pulling the best numbers and not other stam builds.
would have liked to see other stam builds brought up to par. instead we got buffs to dk stam in pve and stam blade in pvp. it makes no sense

Other classes also got buffs. The biggest buff however is change of Dawnbreaker from magick to physical damage. Dawnbreaker will be the ulti to go to as a Stamina NON-DK setup. Because you can empowet the Dawnbreaker DoT by Maelstrom enchantment.

yeah they did but imho and the op's obviously not enough. dawnbreaker buffs look sweet as you say not sure enough though for pve to lift the under performng stam builds.

What is your mainclass? Stamina NB got also very decent buffs. The only 2 setups that still kind of lack some nice skills/passives are Stamina Templar/Sorc.

As long as ZOS does not give those more DoTs they will always be weaker.

I only play nb's lol run with my magblade more than anything but have 3 magblades (1 pve,1 pvp,1 tank) 2 stamblades (1 pvp, 1 pve) and a stam dk.

Okay, ye i think Stam NB and Stam DK are kind of in a good position now. Stam Templar and Stam Sorc still could use a buff

Yeah i have both those in good positions and would turn down the buffs I got to see the others brought up balance makes things more fun and diverse.
The real question is if you and I and other players like slayer etc can spot this why havent the testers? And given this feedback to the combat team or why have the combat team ignored it?
I'll raise it on eso live when eric wroebel is on doubt we will hear an answer though.

lassitershawn wrote: »

MaxwellCrystal wrote: »

@lathbury
Yeah and if you read my post I comment on his statement.

I don't see how it does when Magicka DK is best in slot with all the DoTs it has at it's disposal. Stamina DK has two DoTs that do decent damage in PvE but PVP nope and those 2 DoTs are all the stamina class DPS DragonKnights have. I saw his video where he pulled 42k in a trial using various skill but it's not like any other stamina base class can't preform near or surpass that DPS.

I feel that many people have stories about how this class is OP and needs no buffs/skill changes when other classes can out preform it in the same setup style.

Stamina DK has the most DPS because it has the best synergy with vMA DW, and the hardest hitting DoTs because stamina DoTs have so much synergy with vMA weapons (single target ones with DW, Scorched Earth with bow). It also has DK standard, the best PvE DPS ultimate ingame.

OK so highest dps if geared right. Not everyone 8s geared like that. Plus, dk should excel at dots more than any other class. That is one of their specialties.