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Why is stamina dk getting buffed next patch
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✭✭✭✭✭Pangnirtung wrote: »Let's see what people are complaining about in a few more months.
Prob NB, seems to be the preferred target of complainers"Stand strong, stay true and shelter all."
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✭Because stamina players are like horses with those things covering the side of their eyes so can only look straightforward.
Stamina players prior to last patch were able to insane amounts of DPS if compared to Magicka. The Magicka community asked for a balance and we got a, small IMHO, DPS buff, but because stamina DPS is so much higher, even buffed, we can hardly compete.
But the horses still looking only straightforward and, maybe because they might have hard times in ONE content of the game (VMA), they argue that if Magicka got buffed last patch, this time is Stamina time. But they don't realize that Stamina is already much stronger than Magicka because, probably because most of them don't give a damn to plain facts. So they only think about themselves and ZO$ always tend to see only one side of the coin.
The result is that Stamina players will always be much stronger than Magicka, because one way or another, eventually Stamina will be buffed again, again and again.
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✭WillhelmBlack wrote: »Because Magicka across all classes got buffed last patch; time to even the score.
Wrong. They were brought up a bit so they were nearly balanced, some magicka builds are still short of burst specifically DK and Templars. The only thing you could argue is magicka builds got an OP set. Don't get VD confused with balance, that set is far from balanced when combined with Proxy Det and Soul Tether.
Stam DK in live right now, has the highest burst for PvP and the highest DPS in PvE.
i couldnt help bu chuckle. Mag builds have some pretty solid burst if you decide to go desto over DW. ofcourse you wont have great burst using DW. Mag builds are still very strong. Stam is also very stroong. The changes were well needed. What, stam players cant get ults that scale. Stam players cant get their stamina morphs to actually scale off of mighty?? only mag is allowed that. STam builds were brought up to par with others. Additionally, everyone can pul a VD proxy combo with dawnbreaker. you dont need soul tether. IN fact, on my mag nb I prefer dawnbreaker because it is more sustained damage than soul tether because of ult cost. Additionally, proxy was nerfed. (rightly so).
it is very funny to see people say that stam will be fotm and will be vastly superior etc. That is simply not true. Sure people will run more stam at first because of changes and people not getting on pts to test so they do it on live. But then everyone goes back to what they like. Like the VD bombs. was every where the first month. Now less and less run it. This is the most balanced patch we have seen since 1.53 -
Ajax_22✭✭✭✭✭Pangnirtung wrote: »I think that the idea of buffing stamina dk was to create MORE diversity of play style.
It seems that everytime one class gets gifted something someone is always complaining about how OP that class is and how THEIR class is suffering.
My mains are a stamina DK and stamina NB. At times they've had and advantage and there have been times when they were at a disadvantage.
Keep it coming ZOS. My playstyle has had to adapt and that keeps the game more interesting.
OP stamina DK? Let's see what people are complaining about in a few more months.
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✭magnusthorek wrote: »Because stamina players are like horses with those things covering the side of their eyes so can only look straightforward.
Stamina players prior to last patch were able to insane amounts of DPS if compared to Magicka. The Magicka community asked for a balance and we got a, small IMHO, DPS buff, but because stamina DPS is so much higher, even buffed, we can hardly compete.
But the horses still looking only straightforward and, maybe because they might have hard times in ONE content of the game (VMA), they argue that if Magicka got buffed last patch, this time is Stamina time. But they don't realize that Stamina is already much stronger than Magicka because, probably because most of them don't give a damn to plain facts. So they only think about themselves and ZO$ always tend to see only one side of the coin.
The result is that Stamina players will always be much stronger than Magicka, because one way or another, eventually Stamina will be buffed again, again and again.
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wrong just wrong. before TG stam was better because there was no champ tree to reduce the damage but there was to increase the damage. Stamina is not much stronger than mag. It may appear that way because more people run around in LA these days because stam was/is not balnced with mag currently. Mag as all ults and manyb stam based abilities do flame or mag damage rendering them useless for the most part. This patch just fixes those issues. DB is the most balance we have seen between mag and stam since 1.51 -
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✭✭✭Very simple. There's much more to this game than instanced fights in a controlled environment. Just because stamina DK has high PvE dps doesn't mean we have to put up with flame dots in PvP as our only class based damage skills. Same logic applies to flurry. It might be great in robotic and mechanical PvE where literally everything is scripted, but is pathetic in dynamic PvP.
What is up with this animosity towards our only offensive skills finally dealing appropriate damage? That's not a buff, that's long overdue common sense. Same applies to the changes to NB, dawnbreaker, and hopefully the changes coming to sorc in the next few weeks. These aren't buffs, this is balancing.6 -
WatchYourSixx✭✭✭✭@Slayyer-AUS I totally agree. I've already seen you pull stupid good numbers. Here I am throwing together a random mash of v15 gear and set pieces that I never use as magicka, and I get those maelstrom weps/bow and now I can do 30k dps with unoptimized gear. My magicka DK took weeks of practicing my rotation and improving my gear/build to be over 30k. So if I actually put the time in to make my stam DK good, I'd be able to hit well over 35k.
I do not understand why stam is getting buffed either. The rapid strikes change makes the dot refresh even faster than before, which was one thing that kept me on my toes of what to apply next. So what if the damage was reduced, now I can rapid strikes twice as fast, manage my dots even better, and do even more dps. Then throw in the fire dmg being changed to poison, and you get 25% more dps from those skills.
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✭yep stam dk probs around 50k after patch stam sorc mm 20kEdited by lathbury on May 7, 2016 9:33PM0 -
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✭bowmanz607 wrote: »
whos asking for a nerf the op who is a very good stam dk asked why they were buffed further instead of the others. why so defensive?3 -
nordsavage✭✭✭✭✭.Edited by nordsavage on May 8, 2016 2:13PMI didn't choose tank life, tank life chose me.0 -
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✭bowmanz607 wrote: »
whos asking for a nerf the op who is a very good stam dk asked why they were buffed further instead of the others. why so defensive?
people are basically saying dont make these changes, but make changes to the other classes like stam sorc. I agree Stam sorc needs changes. That does not mean that other classes don't need changes as well. I'm sorry but any ability that has a Stam morph should be doing damage that scales off of mighty. There should be no Stam morphs that scale from fire, mag etc. This was poor design and needed to be addressed. Why did nb and dk get these changes, because they were the classes that had mag damage on Stam abilities. This was simply rebalancing of skills that were poorly implemented in 1.6. A year later!
I don't think these changes should be considered a buff but a fix to abilities.
Imo, asking why something was buffed because you didn't think it should be is effectively asking for a nerd on the pts. That is why I stated stop calling for nerfs.
I don't understand why people are against this. Why should stamina builds have to dump into 2 stars to increase damage when a mag build can use one? That is illogical and not balanced.2 -
xblackroxe✭✭✭✭✭nordsavage wrote: »Slayyer-AUS wrote: »Why is stamina dk getting buffed next patch? It is already the highest dps in the game. Rapid strikes is also already op why would you reduce the cast time of it. Im surprised there is no thread about this.
Stamina Dps of any kind is not the highest dps in the game by a long shot and Rapid Strikes has a long channel time. When Dark Brotherhood releases only then will stamina Dps be actually competitive. Why else do you think everyone runs magicka builds.
LoL. Stam DK is already the best PvE dps at the moment.Member of HODOR
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✭xblackroxe wrote: »nordsavage wrote: »Slayyer-AUS wrote: »Why is stamina dk getting buffed next patch? It is already the highest dps in the game. Rapid strikes is also already op why would you reduce the cast time of it. Im surprised there is no thread about this.
Stamina Dps of any kind is not the highest dps in the game by a long shot and Rapid Strikes has a long channel time. When Dark Brotherhood releases only then will stamina Dps be actually competitive. Why else do you think everyone runs magicka builds.
LoL. Stam DK is already the best PvE dps at the moment.
i dont get the argument that it is already highest dps. So this change literally has no effect on what is already occurring in pve then, so what is the issue. Additionally, why does everyone think that every class should be equally as good at everything? Lets just make all classes give the same dps in pve and pvp along with equal healing and equal tanking in both as well. You know what, lets just drop classes and make on universal class for everyone. maybe that will solve the problem. Dk has dots which is why they are able to achieve such high dps in pve. This is not true for pvp in which dk are not the best.0 -
xblackroxe✭✭✭✭✭bowmanz607 wrote: »xblackroxe wrote: »nordsavage wrote: »Slayyer-AUS wrote: »Why is stamina dk getting buffed next patch? It is already the highest dps in the game. Rapid strikes is also already op why would you reduce the cast time of it. Im surprised there is no thread about this.
Stamina Dps of any kind is not the highest dps in the game by a long shot and Rapid Strikes has a long channel time. When Dark Brotherhood releases only then will stamina Dps be actually competitive. Why else do you think everyone runs magicka builds.
LoL. Stam DK is already the best PvE dps at the moment.
i dont get the argument that it is already highest dps. So this change literally has no effect on what is already occurring in pve then, so what is the issue. Additionally, why does everyone think that every class should be equally as good at everything? Lets just make all classes give the same dps in pve and pvp along with equal healing and equal tanking in both as well. You know what, lets just drop classes and make on universal class for everyone. maybe that will solve the problem. Dk has dots which is why they are able to achieve such high dps in pve. This is not true for pvp in which dk are not the best.
Well I´m all for diversity but there is a difference between diversity and one class just being plain OP. Also nobody says everybody says every class should be the same. I never said this. But 5k dps more already AND getting buffed (buff or just fix doesn´t matter) next patch is just wrong.
Also stam dk is hands down the best class in 1v1 and really not bad in open world so I don´t see your argument.Member of HODOR
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Averya_Teira✭✭✭✭✭bowmanz607 wrote: »xblackroxe wrote: »nordsavage wrote: »Slayyer-AUS wrote: »Why is stamina dk getting buffed next patch? It is already the highest dps in the game. Rapid strikes is also already op why would you reduce the cast time of it. Im surprised there is no thread about this.
Stamina Dps of any kind is not the highest dps in the game by a long shot and Rapid Strikes has a long channel time. When Dark Brotherhood releases only then will stamina Dps be actually competitive. Why else do you think everyone runs magicka builds.
LoL. Stam DK is already the best PvE dps at the moment.
i dont get the argument that it is already highest dps. So this change literally has no effect on what is already occurring in pve then, so what is the issue. Additionally, why does everyone think that every class should be equally as good at everything? Lets just make all classes give the same dps in pve and pvp along with equal healing and equal tanking in both as well. You know what, lets just drop classes and make on universal class for everyone. maybe that will solve the problem. Dk has dots which is why they are able to achieve such high dps in pve. This is not true for pvp in which dk are not the best.
Well stam DK are the best tanks and best PvE dps. Mag DK is right up there with his stam brother. DKs are also quite competitive In PvP. It's starting to feel like the lead class dev plays DK lol. We just need a patch with a DK healer buff and we'll have proof haha.Edited by Averya_Teira on May 7, 2016 11:24PM0 -
xblackroxe✭✭✭✭✭Averya_Teira wrote: »bowmanz607 wrote: »xblackroxe wrote: »nordsavage wrote: »Slayyer-AUS wrote: »Why is stamina dk getting buffed next patch? It is already the highest dps in the game. Rapid strikes is also already op why would you reduce the cast time of it. Im surprised there is no thread about this.
Stamina Dps of any kind is not the highest dps in the game by a long shot and Rapid Strikes has a long channel time. When Dark Brotherhood releases only then will stamina Dps be actually competitive. Why else do you think everyone runs magicka builds.
LoL. Stam DK is already the best PvE dps at the moment.
i dont get the argument that it is already highest dps. So this change literally has no effect on what is already occurring in pve then, so what is the issue. Additionally, why does everyone think that every class should be equally as good at everything? Lets just make all classes give the same dps in pve and pvp along with equal healing and equal tanking in both as well. You know what, lets just drop classes and make on universal class for everyone. maybe that will solve the problem. Dk has dots which is why they are able to achieve such high dps in pve. This is not true for pvp in which dk are not the best.
Well stam DK are the best tanks and best PvE dps. They are also suite competitive In PvP. It's starting to feel like the lead class dev plays DK lol.
Devs don´t play the game.Member of HODOR
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Averya_Teira✭✭✭✭✭xblackroxe wrote: »Averya_Teira wrote: »bowmanz607 wrote: »xblackroxe wrote: »nordsavage wrote: »Slayyer-AUS wrote: »Why is stamina dk getting buffed next patch? It is already the highest dps in the game. Rapid strikes is also already op why would you reduce the cast time of it. Im surprised there is no thread about this.
Stamina Dps of any kind is not the highest dps in the game by a long shot and Rapid Strikes has a long channel time. When Dark Brotherhood releases only then will stamina Dps be actually competitive. Why else do you think everyone runs magicka builds.
LoL. Stam DK is already the best PvE dps at the moment.
i dont get the argument that it is already highest dps. So this change literally has no effect on what is already occurring in pve then, so what is the issue. Additionally, why does everyone think that every class should be equally as good at everything? Lets just make all classes give the same dps in pve and pvp along with equal healing and equal tanking in both as well. You know what, lets just drop classes and make on universal class for everyone. maybe that will solve the problem. Dk has dots which is why they are able to achieve such high dps in pve. This is not true for pvp in which dk are not the best.
Well stam DK are the best tanks and best PvE dps. They are also suite competitive In PvP. It's starting to feel like the lead class dev plays DK lol.
Devs don´t play the game.
How do know that ? Well, you are probably right or else they'd actually acknowledge bugs....0 -
xblackroxe✭✭✭✭✭Averya_Teira wrote: »xblackroxe wrote: »Averya_Teira wrote: »bowmanz607 wrote: »xblackroxe wrote: »nordsavage wrote: »Slayyer-AUS wrote: »Why is stamina dk getting buffed next patch? It is already the highest dps in the game. Rapid strikes is also already op why would you reduce the cast time of it. Im surprised there is no thread about this.
Stamina Dps of any kind is not the highest dps in the game by a long shot and Rapid Strikes has a long channel time. When Dark Brotherhood releases only then will stamina Dps be actually competitive. Why else do you think everyone runs magicka builds.
LoL. Stam DK is already the best PvE dps at the moment.
i dont get the argument that it is already highest dps. So this change literally has no effect on what is already occurring in pve then, so what is the issue. Additionally, why does everyone think that every class should be equally as good at everything? Lets just make all classes give the same dps in pve and pvp along with equal healing and equal tanking in both as well. You know what, lets just drop classes and make on universal class for everyone. maybe that will solve the problem. Dk has dots which is why they are able to achieve such high dps in pve. This is not true for pvp in which dk are not the best.
Well stam DK are the best tanks and best PvE dps. They are also suite competitive In PvP. It's starting to feel like the lead class dev plays DK lol.
Devs don´t play the game.
How do know that ? Well, you are probably right or else they'd actually acknowledge bugs....
Well I´m not sure if they do its just an assumption based on what I´ve seen in the past. Also there is no way they got through hardmode vMoL. That sh*t has never gotten tested.Member of HODOR
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✭xblackroxe wrote: »bowmanz607 wrote: »xblackroxe wrote: »nordsavage wrote: »Slayyer-AUS wrote: »Why is stamina dk getting buffed next patch? It is already the highest dps in the game. Rapid strikes is also already op why would you reduce the cast time of it. Im surprised there is no thread about this.
Stamina Dps of any kind is not the highest dps in the game by a long shot and Rapid Strikes has a long channel time. When Dark Brotherhood releases only then will stamina Dps be actually competitive. Why else do you think everyone runs magicka builds.
LoL. Stam DK is already the best PvE dps at the moment.
i dont get the argument that it is already highest dps. So this change literally has no effect on what is already occurring in pve then, so what is the issue. Additionally, why does everyone think that every class should be equally as good at everything? Lets just make all classes give the same dps in pve and pvp along with equal healing and equal tanking in both as well. You know what, lets just drop classes and make on universal class for everyone. maybe that will solve the problem. Dk has dots which is why they are able to achieve such high dps in pve. This is not true for pvp in which dk are not the best.
Well I´m all for diversity but there is a difference between diversity and one class just being plain OP. Also nobody says everybody says every class should be the same. I never said this. But 5k dps more already AND getting buffed (buff or just fix doesn´t matter) next patch is just wrong.
Also stam dk is hands down the best class in 1v1 and really not bad in open world so I don´t see your argument.
I would disagree that they are the best in 1v1. Dk are among my highest killed next to nb then temp than sorc. As for open world I would personally place Dk currently at 3 in Stam only in front of sorc until next patch I like them as much as temp. It is all about prefers playstyle.0 -
Eirikir✭✭✭✭Slayyer-AUS wrote: »Why is stamina dk getting buffed next patch? It is already the highest dps in the game. Rapid strikes is also already op why would you reduce the cast time of it. Im surprised there is no thread about this.
Because they had to make up for stealing our fire and making us puke?
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AlcastClass RepresentativeAll stamina classes get buffs next patch. Direct and indirect ones. And for the question WHY are they buffing the already strongest stamina class (stam DK)? > Because they do not play their own game and have no clue what is going on,.
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What do you mean with highest killed? If I understand correctly that only means there are many dk's running around.bowmanz607 wrote: »xblackroxe wrote: »bowmanz607 wrote: »xblackroxe wrote: »nordsavage wrote: »Slayyer-AUS wrote: »Why is stamina dk getting buffed next patch? It is already the highest dps in the game. Rapid strikes is also already op why would you reduce the cast time of it. Im surprised there is no thread about this.
Stamina Dps of any kind is not the highest dps in the game by a long shot and Rapid Strikes has a long channel time. When Dark Brotherhood releases only then will stamina Dps be actually competitive. Why else do you think everyone runs magicka builds.
LoL. Stam DK is already the best PvE dps at the moment.
i dont get the argument that it is already highest dps. So this change literally has no effect on what is already occurring in pve then, so what is the issue. Additionally, why does everyone think that every class should be equally as good at everything? Lets just make all classes give the same dps in pve and pvp along with equal healing and equal tanking in both as well. You know what, lets just drop classes and make on universal class for everyone. maybe that will solve the problem. Dk has dots which is why they are able to achieve such high dps in pve. This is not true for pvp in which dk are not the best.
Well I´m all for diversity but there is a difference between diversity and one class just being plain OP. Also nobody says everybody says every class should be the same. I never said this. But 5k dps more already AND getting buffed (buff or just fix doesn´t matter) next patch is just wrong.
Also stam dk is hands down the best class in 1v1 and really not bad in open world so I don´t see your argument.
I would disagree that they are the best in 1v1. Dk are among my highest killed next to nb then temp than sorc. As for open world I would personally place Dk currently at 3 in Stam only in front of sorc until next patch I like them as much as temp. It is all about prefers playstyle.
I wouldn't say they are far behind anything stam dk can wreck people hard.
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WatchYourSixx✭✭✭✭Oh how funny it is that people make claims before actually doing any research or any kind of knowledge gathering whatsoever.. But i digress.
At least I'll have a use for my new maelstrom weps. Redguard Stam DK FTW!
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✭@Slayyer-AUS can you link your deeps video in the OP so the uninformed know what the hell your talking about.
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