Dark elf stamina DK is ruined in next patch?

fatemoe · May 2016

My main character is dark elf stamina DK V3.

In the next patch nearly all the stamina skill of DK has been changed from fire damage to poison damage.
Even scorch ground of bow is changed from fire to physical.

Then, what's the point of my fire damage bonus from race ability?

I have to be forced become a magicka DK to make use this fire damage bonus?

WTF?

Vangy · May 2016

On the bright side, 25% mighty bonuses applying to all your stam DK skills such as unstable flame, burning breath etc is far more of a bonus than the meagre 6% was from your race passive.

But sadly yes, if you want to use dunmer passive bonus damage to fire, you are going to have to go magicka short of standard/meteor and FOB.

Edit: forgot about standard/meteor and FOB

Tormy · May 2016

Your fire bonus will still apply to your abilities that don't use poison

fatemoe · May 2016

Tormy wrote: »

Your fire bonus will still apply to your abilities that don't use poison

They are all mackga based :'(

No use for stamina character

phaneub17_ESO · May 2016

The needs of the many... something, something. Oh a cookie!

Vangy · May 2016

phaneub17_ESO wrote: »

The needs of the many... something, something. Oh a cookie!

The needs of the many outweigh the needs of a few ... can I has cookie too?

Silver_Strider · May 2016

I wouldn't say ruined, so much as removed a small advantage Dunmer had as a Stamina DK over some of the other races.

Dunmer is still good for Stamina DK, just because Meteor and DK standard still deal Fire Damage while still being among some of the stronger ultimates in the game, so you aren't completely screwed over in that regard. Flames of Oblivion still gives Weapon crit while dealing fire damage and with the changes to Evil hunter, Flames of Oblivion becomes a much more attractive option overall for a DK.

You're character isn't ruined at all, you just need to adjust a little more.

SanSan · May 2016

Reroll right now?

timidobserver · May 2016

Yeh, Dunmer isn't as good for a Stam DK as it was. The upside is that you only need to level your new Khajit DK to 50.

fatemoe · May 2016

timidobserver wrote: »

Yeh, Dunmer isn't as good for a Stam DK as it was. The upside is that you only need to level your new Khajit DK to 50.

New character will cost near 100K gold to upgrade backpack..............

Czirne · May 2016

timidobserver wrote: »

Yeh, Dunmer isn't as good for a Stam DK as it was. The upside is that you only need to level your new Khajit DK to 50.

Actually, Dunmer IS better than before, he loses 7% racial fire damage, but he gains from 25% damage mighty. His posion abilities will do 18% more damage. So no, dunmer stamina dragonknight is not ruined. He is buffed like every stamina dragonknight. Only diference is before DB Dunmer dealt 7% more fire damage than onther races. Now it is posion damage, so he does overall 18% more damage, other races deal overall 25% more damage(with posion abilities of course). You can say he was buffed sligtly less than other races, but it was buff anyway. Dunmer WILL BE STRONGER dragonknight than before, he just wont be stronger than other races i terms of fire damage bonus.

\EDIT: I forgot to mention, Dunmer is kinda nerfed in Azura non-CP campaing. There he loses 7% fire damage and gains nothing. Bad news for Azura Dunmers DKs.

Brrrofski · May 2016

Yeh, it's better than before lol.

You lose the little bit of fire damage but now the dots scale with mighty so can be increased by 25%.

So it's a lot stronger.

Duiwel · May 2016

I didn't even know Dunmer was ever good for Stam DK mine is my Mag DK & I have an imperial Stam DK...

I always thought Imperial, Orc were the best for Stam DK's

STEVIL · May 2016

fatemoe wrote: »

My main character is dark elf stamina DK V3.

In the next patch nearly all the stamina skill of DK has been changed from fire damage to poison damage.
Even scorch ground of bow is changed from fire to physical.

Then, what's the point of my fire damage bonus from race ability?

I have to be forced become a magicka DK to make use this fire damage bonus?

WTF?

In a living mmo, things change and builds of today dont last forever.

Its part of the game.

Ever so often, you have to See the new changes in play, Analyze how things work, Change how you approach challenges and learn to KILL enemies in brand new ways.

SACK helps keep the game fresh, imo.

If i had a character doing things the same way after a year i would consider it stagnant and dead. Deleted two vet level chars for that.

D0ntevenL1ft · May 2016

Re rolled mine to redguard and just training mount speed and char level to 50 before DB and all is the same.

AfkNinja · May 2016

ZOS gives you a 25% dmg buff by making your skills scale with mighty and you complain about losing 6%? Are you serious right now?

STEVIL · May 2016

AfkNinja wrote: »

ZOS gives you a 25% dmg buff by making your skills scale with mighty and you complain about losing 6%? Are you serious right now?

If in a non-cp campaign or at lvls 1-49... could be serious.

Not everyone is 300cp+ b changes to mechanics still apply.

klink012 · May 2016

Brrrofski wrote: »

Yeh, it's better than before lol.

You lose the little bit of fire damage but now the dots scale with mighty so can be increased by 25%.

So it's a lot stronger.

Yeah but this is true for every stamina DK. So there are other races that are NOW better than the Dark Elf because of this change.

klink012 · May 2016

AfkNinja wrote: »

ZOS gives you a 25% dmg buff by making your skills scale with mighty and you complain about losing 6%? Are you serious right now?

This is completely the wrong mindset. Min/maxers choose their race for a very specific reason. ZOS not knowing how to setup the CP tree and making changes results in players being penalized for their choice of race they CANNOT change.

GIVE the players a one time shot to change races when radical changes are made to skills & CP system.

Ender1310 · May 2016

I mean at least you have a path to success. Stamina has been unfinished since launch..those of us with only one ideal path per our racial choices have had to wait forever.

Dexter411 · May 2016

Double post...

Dexter411 · May 2016

We will not get a chance to change race I am sure of it. I made a Dark Elf Dragonknight because it felt right. Who else have build in class fire damage? Templars and it is only passive...

lolo_01b16_ESO · May 2016

Dark elf stam dks get a huge buff next patch and believe me, the only situation where it really matters is if you want to get no 1 leaderboard spots. If you just care about completion or a weekly spot, you can achieve that with any race. I personally completed vMoL with a "bad" race + class (Bosmer healer) combination and I know there are also others who did it on e.g. Bosmer or Redguard magicka builds.

AfkNinja · May 2016

klink012 wrote: »

AfkNinja wrote: »

ZOS gives you a 25% dmg buff by making your skills scale with mighty and you complain about losing 6%? Are you serious right now?

This is completely the wrong mindset. Min/maxers choose their race for a very specific reason. ZOS not knowing how to setup the CP tree and making changes results in players being penalized for their choice of race they CANNOT change.

GIVE the players a one time shot to change races when radical changes are made to skills & CP system.

You don't get to dictate what is the correct or incorrect mindset.

ZOS HAD to make this change as DK stamina skills not scaling on Mighty is much worse than you losing out on a small fire dmg bonus. They literally had no choice once they consolidated dmg stars. You're complaining at them for making the game more fair and balanced.

I get it, you chose Dark Elf and you want your passive to matter but seriously. This is a perfect example if the impossibility of pleasing everyone. They give you a good change and you find something to complain about. It is the nature of MMO's that things change, it's just how they are. This complaint is just pointless.

Lynx7386 · May 2016

If you ask me, anyone who chose a specific race entirely for the racial passives made a mistake in the first place. I'm not a big fan of elitists or min-maxers who view themselves as above everyone else for picking a race with better passives, so to heck with 'em, let them rot with their character after this change and give a little to the players who are playing a race they actually like and can now benefit from changes like this.

And to the guy who said:

Yeah but this is true for every stamina DK. So there are other races that are NOW better than the Dark Elf because of this change.

Deal with it. Nobody gets a racial bonus to poison or disease damage. You still have racial boosts to stamina as a dunmer, I'm sure you'll live. It's about time the other races get a fighting chance.

imredneckson · May 2016

fatemoe wrote: »

My main character is dark elf stamina DK V3.

In the next patch nearly all the stamina skill of DK has been changed from fire damage to poison damage.
Even scorch ground of bow is changed from fire to physical.

Then, what's the point of my fire damage bonus from race ability?

I have to be forced become a magicka DK to make use this fire damage bonus?

WTF?

Still Waiting for race changes.............

The_Lex · May 2016

Lynx7386 wrote: »

I'm not a big fan of elitists or min-maxers who view themselves as above everyone else for picking a race with better passives, so to heck with 'em, let them rot with their character after this change and give a little to the players who are playing a race they actually like and can now benefit from changes like this.

At least you're not bitter.

Lynx7386 · May 2016

Then, what's the point of my fire damage bonus from race ability?

I have to be forced become a magicka DK to make use this fire damage bonus?

Yes.

dodgehopper_ESO · May 2016

I can cite a lot of examples where things like this adversely effected me. I'll just name a few.

1) The passive elemental status chance bonus of 100% on Two hand weapon.
2) Argonian-Alchemy-NB potion synergy.
3) Stamina Templar Block build and the 0% stamina regen nerf.

These are just a few fundamental changes to the game that caused me to completely overhaul a build or character.

In all fairness though, I don't think Dunmer should get a bonus to Poison damage, it just wouldn't be fair to races that honestly have more claim to that fame (Argonian, Bosmer).

By the way I say this as someone whose main DK is a Dunmer as well. I built for fire, and yes I even used the same morph of volley as you with fire on it. Its times like these that I wish they'd just offer more than 2 morphs of skills.

Savage_Audacity · May 2016

fatemoe wrote: »

My main character is dark elf stamina DK V3.

In the next patch nearly all the stamina skill of DK has been changed from fire damage to poison damage.
Even scorch ground of bow is changed from fire to physical.

Then, what's the point of my fire damage bonus from race ability?

I have to be forced become a magicka DK to make use this fire damage bonus?

WTF?

While it is true that dark elf will no longer be the optimal race for stamina DKs it is far from the worst. Besides, you should be happy about the changes bc the 25% damage from mighty will now affect all of your class and weapon abilities so you wont have to split your CP with elemental expert. Although your class abilities will do 6% less damage (assuming you had 100 CP in elemental expert) all of your weapon abilities will do up to 25% more damage (depending on how many CP you had in mighty before dark brotherhood). So skills like executioner, steel tornado, and poison injection (depending on which weapons you use) will do much more damage.

FriedEggSandwich · May 2016

imredneckson wrote: »

fatemoe wrote: »

My main character is dark elf stamina DK V3.

In the next patch nearly all the stamina skill of DK has been changed from fire damage to poison damage.
Even scorch ground of bow is changed from fire to physical.

Then, what's the point of my fire damage bonus from race ability?

I have to be forced become a magicka DK to make use this fire damage bonus?

WTF?

Still Waiting for race changes.............

Have they confirmed it's coming? This is probably easy for me to say as I have a race I'm happy with (I played altmer caster in skyrim so picked altmer sorc for eso), but I'm not all in favour of race change until they balance racial passives more evenly. If they gave us race change now I just imagine cyrodiil will consist of only altmer, bosmer and redguard. Nords will become extinct. I could be wrong and probably am, but do you see my point? Race balance > race change imo.