What about account shared achievments?

Runkorko · May 2016

I love to make alts, but i`l never change my main (magicka dk) for another toon. There is the problem. To be honest, is HARD to enjoy TG content with diferent class than rogue. I think DB dlc will be no diferent. I dont min to lvl up NB (and i already did) to enjoy the content at max, but i want the achievments on my main. And this achievments we get with TG are not one day work. What choises i have? To skip achievments, put DK in corner and enjoy the content with my NB alt. Or to strugle with my clumsy DK and to curse every time when i hear "Thef, stop PLEASE" only to list the achievments. OR, IF, I hope, WHEN zos make them achievments shared to account, to enjoy the game with all of my characters. What do you think guys? We already seen it in many games. Or this is to much to ask?

lolo_01b16_ESO · May 2016

I personally like the fact, that achivements are per character. That way achievements display my characters progerssion and not what I ever did on my account. Also there are achievements that you can take as goal, even if you allready completed them on another char. I mean it's something totally different if you get a no death achivement as dd or as healer.
But I wouldn't mind an additional tab where you can see a summary of all achivements you got on all your characters.

Artis · May 2016

I think they should be bound to account. They reflect what a player did, not the character. The characters on one account are controlled by one player and he's the one who got the achievements.

Otherwise, why can't our characters join different guilds? No, guilds are per account. Why don't they have separate banks?

WldKarde · May 2016

Not sure I like this.

Veteran ranks will soon be gone, so no sense of accomplishment for leveling past 50 since once you have enough cp's to equip max gear all are shared on your account, thus all characters at 50 are "equal".

I've got 8 VR16 characters right now, and I can assure you that they are not equal at all. I don't agree with the removal of veteran ranks...but I understand why ZOS is doing it.

I just hope they keep achievements character based so that alts can stay alts...instead of clones.

TheShadowScout · May 2016

Artis wrote: »

I think they should be bound to account. They reflect what a player did, not the character. The characters on one account are controlled by one player and he's the one who got the achievements.

Oh? So...
...the -player- learned how to craft in barbarian style and not your character?
...the -player- has the "master Angler" title floating above their heads, and not the character?
...the -player- got their map updated every time they find a new location, and not the character?
...the -player- got a skillpoint from finding skyshards and not the character?
...the -player- got a bounty for mass murder worth millions of gold pieces?

Face it, achievements are definitely character-based. Traditionally, achievements were -always- character based, because back at the start of computer games, there were no "accounts". The "gamerscore" thing only came way later...

ESO does indeed already give players more account-wide benefits them any other game I ever played, is going to give more come DB - and still people keep asking for more???
I could say what I think about people like that, but then the forum admins would have to censor my post again...

But my point is, achievements are a nifty way to find out what this particular character has done and yet to so. Which crafting styles are already learned, and which chapters I still need to watch out for in guild stores. Which character is the criminal one, and which character the goody-two-greaves. Which skyshards I forgot to grab on my run through cadwells. What location I passed by while questing. Which dolmen I still have to clear for this or that character.

I would hate it if the achievements became account wide, and I would have to go through a ton of troubles to find out who is where on the crafting motiv thing, or if I had to check each skyshard personally with one of my alts to see if I really remembered to grab them all...

Not to mention, the thing mattering most with achievements are the dye unlocks, which are -already- account wide for our convineance.

lathbury · May 2016

some maybe not all though

Wolfshead · May 2016

This is one thing i hate with ESO i do think all achievments should be account bound that is only thing i think Blizzard have done that is good.

For it make playing main and alt alot easy to complete some achievments like Dark Anchors alot easy to complete for example the are many other that will be alot easy to complete if all your char can work on same achievments for instead like it is today you have redo all achievments on all your char which basically sucks big time.

Rune_Relic · May 2016

How would any of your other charcters develop if all the achievements were already done ?
Achievement are as much part of the progression system as levelling to me.
A characters achievements is a list of 'their' very own history (not the players).

Artis · May 2016

TheShadowScout wrote: »

Artis wrote: »

I think they should be bound to account. They reflect what a player did, not the character. The characters on one account are controlled by one player and he's the one who got the achievements.

Oh? So...
...the -player- learned how to craft in barbarian style and not your character?
...the -player- has the "master Angler" title floating above their heads, and not the character?
...the -player- got their map updated every time they find a new location, and not the character?
...the -player- got a skillpoint from finding skyshards and not the character?
...the -player- got a bounty for mass murder worth millions of gold pieces?

Face it, achievements are definitely character-based. Traditionally, achievements were -always- character based, because back at the start of computer games, there were no "accounts". The "gamerscore" thing only came way later...

ESO does indeed already give players more account-wide benefits them any other game I ever played, is going to give more come DB - and still people keep asking for more???
I could say what I think about people like that, but then the forum admins would have to censor my post again...

But my point is, achievements are a nifty way to find out what this particular character has done and yet to so. Which crafting styles are already learned, and which chapters I still need to watch out for in guild stores. Which character is the criminal one, and which character the goody-two-greaves. Which skyshards I forgot to grab on my run through cadwells. What location I passed by while questing. Which dolmen I still have to clear for this or that character.

I would hate it if the achievements became account wide, and I would have to go through a ton of troubles to find out who is where on the crafting motiv thing, or if I had to check each skyshard personally with one of my alts to see if I really remembered to grab them all...

Not to mention, the thing mattering most with achievements are the dye unlocks, which are -already- account wide for our convineance.

m? You just listed some more things yourself. It's the player who has done those things, indeed. So why would only one char have it? If you want to know which toon exactly achieved what, they could add an indicator of a different color, that says if this particular toon got this achievement or not. And if you get something you got on another toon - you just get a notification and everything, but no more points (because they are already there). Think of wow system, it's very good.

Yeah, dyes, motifs, titles etc should be account-wide. OK I don't insist on some titles like Flawless Conqueror that show how good a player is playing this toon. But the rest - yes, should be account-wide. It's absolutely dumb to expect players to grind fishing or motifs for more than 1 character. It's just grind, doesn't require skill, like no-death vma.
Omg WTF would you want to learn motifs on all characters. It's not doing a dungeon or anything - it's just clicking on an item. It has to be account-wide. If you go grind Covenant motif in sewers, then it's you - the player - who does that. Why do it again for each toon. Or fishing. How does it matter is it your templar or NB holding a fishing rod or grinding sewers? It doesn't matter at all. You got it right - it's the player who left-clicked thousands of times to get that master angler. Not the character. Running vMA with no deaths (or at all) on different characters is different. Fishing or grinding anything - does not.

When I open the achievements tab I should see total score that I got on my toons combined. And then when I inspect every achievement - that's when I see if I got it on this particular character!

You definitely should agree with this, because it's what you want - for achievements to reflect your character's progress. And it's a compromise with reflecting player's progress. Because that's what it is -- player's progress (which can be different with different characters maybe, but still non duplicate achievements should combine for all toons and I should see the score). If you disagree that simply means that you don't really want to see your character's progress - you just want ME to not see MY progress and to force me to grind fishing on every character if I want to use master angler, for example.

Waseem · May 2016

i like the idea, hope it get implemented before we die

Tandor · May 2016

I hate the concept of account-wide features be they achievements, dye unlocks or champion points etc. I run individual characters, not some sort of amalgamated character called an account.

daemonios · May 2016

Nope. By design, achievements are something your characters earn, not you as a player. I like that design. I realize other people might not like it, but I don't know why ESO has to be like every other Steam/PS4/XBOX game where achievements are always account-bound. Just leave them be. If some achievements are a problem due to the long grind, I might agree with some changes there; other than that, no.

Usara · May 2016

Artis wrote: »

I think they should be bound to account. They reflect what a player did, not the character.

Some achievements are tied to the class/role. I'm really sorry, but Flawless Conqueror doesn't weight the same on a magicka sorc character than on a magicka DK.
I know a lot of people, myself included, than can finish VMA with a character, but not with another class. Why should I display the VMA title on a character I can't finish it with ?

That said, some achiev could indeed be shared - the ones that don't involve PvE and PvP : fishing, trophies... the quest maybe, to some extent, dolmens too...

But trials and PvP ranks achiev', nope.

TheShadowScout · May 2016

Artis wrote: »

m? You just listed some more things yourself. It's the player who has done those things, indeed. So why would only one char have it?

Are you that lacking in understanding?
You are -really- telling me that you -the player- have a master angler title floating above your head? That YOU, THE PLAYER got skills from skyshards? Phu-leeeze? If you think that, it may be time to see a competent psychotherapist about your delusions...

Yes, everything our characters do they do under direction from a player. Doesn't mean the player gets the skyshard. Doesn't mean the player gets the title. Doesn't mean the player gets the crafting style. Etc.
So why should it be the -player- who gets the archievement???

I mean... you get one of the rare titles on your main, then make a new character... should these newbie characters then be allowed to run around with "Beothia's Scythe" over their level-3 heads??? Really?????
And either you allow ALL titles to be account wide, or none. So no cherry picking, hear!

Artis wrote: »

If you want to know which toon exactly achieved what, they could add an indicator of a different color, that says if this particular toon got this achievement or not.

I would not mind them showing the archievements a different toon has in a different color. Like, say... grey -undone; brown - done on different character, green done on this character. But that's not really the issue here, is it?

The issue here was account-wide achievements... which aould also lead to account wide titles, and to account wide cooperation. Yes, that would make some achievements waaaaaaay easier - if everyone from the same account pitched together, those "kill 500 mudcrabs" things would be done in a snap, and the trophy hunting a lot less hassle as well.
Which is why I presume the weak kneed milk-drinkers keep whining for it...
Which is why I am so opposed to it.

Artis wrote: »

Yeah, dyes, motifs, titles etc should be account-wide. OK I don't insist on some titles like Flawless Conqueror that show how good a player is playing this toon. But the rest - yes, should be account-wide. It's absolutely dumb to expect players to grind fishing or motifs for more than 1 character. It's just grind, doesn't require skill, like no-death vma.

No, that is exactly what you are insisting on. Because "equal rights for all" Either ALL titles go account wide, or none go. Not in the least because there is no reason whatsoever to have the achievements on every character. One "Master Angler" is enough, but if you really want a second - spend the darn effort (it would be foolish to want to spend that effort twice, but... people sometimes do foolish things)

Artis wrote: »

Omg WTF would you want to learn motifs on all characters. It's not doing a dungeon or anything - it's just clicking on an item. It has to be account-wide. If you go grind Covenant motif in sewers, then it's you - the player - who does that. Why do it again for each toon. Or fishing. How does it matter is it your templar or NB holding a fishing rod or grinding sewers? It doesn't matter at all. You got it right - it's the player who left-clicked thousands of times to get that master angler. Not the character. Running vMA with no deaths (or at all) on different characters is different. Fishing or grinding anything - does not.

So you are saying, if you earn money in your work, and use it to pay for a TV for your living room, you should get another TV for all your other rooms for free because you "already spent the effort"? I sincerely hope you do not Really think that is how the world works...
There is NO reason for such things to be account wide.
None.
At.
All.
No matter how much the "gimme crowd" may scream and whine for it.

Of course, there also is no reason for ALL characters to learn all crafting motivs. Its enough if your crafting character does it. Smart people have all three equipment crafts on one character for that purpose... (not to mention, while the act of learning it is clicking an item, first you have to -get- that item. Which in some cases... is as much effort as running dungeons)

Want it multiple times? Spend the effort to get it multiple times. Don't want to spend the effort? Either make do with what you feel comfortable spending the effort for, or pay through your nose to buy the darn things in the crown store.
But ramblings like "it has to be account-wide" when it clearly isn't... are not an valid argument to convince people that it -should- be account wide.

Artis wrote: »

When I open the achievements tab I should see total score that I got on my toons combined. And then when I inspect every achievement - that's when I see if I got it on this particular character!

Why?
You log into a character, you open the journal, you open the achievement tab... all the other things in the journal so far had been character specific, why should that one tab suddenly be otherwise???

Now... if there was an achievement tab you could open -before- logging into a specific character... THAT would be the place to count account wide progression. I would not mind seeing them add something like that... but of course, I would not want any of the things from it to carry over to the characters. Not titles. No achievement score. No crafting motivs or horse training or crafting research or map update or skyshard skill points... you get the idea, right?
And I happen to think that this is what people are -acttually- whining for - not the "see account progress", they want to get the titles and stuff cheap-like, because they think they are entitled to having it easy for some reason.

Artis wrote: »

You definitely should agree with this, because it's what you want - for achievements to reflect your character's progress. And it's a compromise with reflecting player's progress. Because that's what it is -- player's progress (which can be different with different characters maybe, but still non duplicate achievements should combine for all toons and I should see the score). If you disagree that simply means that you don't really want to see your character's progress - you just want ME to not see MY progress and to force me to grind fishing on every character if I want to use master angler, for example.

Please don't try to tell me what I want.
I definitely do not agree with this, because I -already- see my character progress, and you want to argue things should be changed just because you want to see the achievements handed to you all across the board.

Like mentioned, I would not mind them adding a "account score" tab to the login screen so you can yee "your" progress.

I am however very much opposed to anyone getting the achievements themselves across their whole account. If you want a specific title for one character, you should hae to spend the effort On That Character. If you want Master Angler, catch the darn fish. If you want Boethiah's Scythe, clear the darn arena. On That Character! Not on your main and then show off the title on your newly made alt.

If you want something, spend the effort.
If you want something twice, spend the effort twice.

AllPlayAndNoWork · May 2016

Why cant we just choose either option, shared or not shared?

Volkodav · May 2016

If my achievements were account wide,then what would be the use to do anything with an alt? The whole point of creating and running an alt is to start it all over again.
If all achievements were account wide,then what would be the use to do anything with an alt? Quest achievements wouldnt be able to be done,so why do quests.They would already be registered in achievements.Like monster Slayer,Dominion Hero,or Dungeon Master. The whole point of creating and running an alt is to start it all over again.That means everything new.
Personally,I love doing achievements.They arent needed,but for the ones that give you dyes,but they are always a lot of fun to do.When I get tired of questing,I take off and work on an achievement.

CasNation · May 2016

While I am not sure about achievements themselves being account-wide, I think Titles should be. Dyes already are, and thesee are pretty much the same category. It would be great to be able to actually use the titles I have earned on a new character.

AllPlayAndNoWork · May 2016

Volkodav wrote: »

If my achievements were account wide,then what would be the use to do anything with an alt? .

I just want to PvP - ive done most PvE rubbish with my main to get skill points.......

The Uninvited · May 2016

Achievements no, but please make riding skills account wide. Damn slow mount on my V5 alt...

emily3989 · May 2016

daemonios wrote: »

Nope. By design, achievements are something your characters earn, not you as a player. I like that design. I realize other people might not like it, but I don't know why ESO has to be like every other Steam/PS4/XBOX game where achievements are always account-bound. Just leave them be. If some achievements are a problem due to the long grind, I might agree with some changes there; other than that, no.

Then why can my lvl 1 alt use my V16 costume? Or better yet, his 501 CP, which has a heck of a lot more influence on game play than some dark purple dye.

Runkorko · May 2016

The Uninvited wrote: »

Achievements no, but please make riding skills account wide. Damn slow mount on my V5 alt...

you can upgrade with real money, or waith MONTHS til upgrade via stable. About the achivemnets, there are personal achivemnest/ like class one/ dungeons one/pvp one/ and genaral achievmensts like crafting, stealing, exploration, sky shard colection etc.Is not a big deal. Hope ZoS will give us this option soon. When they have time:)

Artis · May 2016

Usara wrote: »

Artis wrote: »

I think they should be bound to account. They reflect what a player did, not the character.

Some achievements are tied to the class/role. I'm really sorry, but Flawless Conqueror doesn't weight the same on a magicka sorc character than on a magicka DK.
I know a lot of people, myself included, than can finish VMA with a character, but not with another class. Why should I display the VMA title on a character I can't finish it with ?

That said, some achiev could indeed be shared - the ones that don't involve PvE and PvP : fishing, trophies... the quest maybe, to some extent, dolmens too...

But trials and PvP ranks achiev', nope.

Yes, I agree with that. Read my post above. Also, flawless conqueror is hard now, but it won't be in a year from now. Just like vDSA. Remember what it used to be back in 2014? At this point vDSA is like fishing. You actually spend more time on finishing than on getting Boethia's Scythe. Achievement points and achievements should be account wide, some titles - shouldn't be. When they become easy players will get them anyway if they want. Look at wow's system. You have achievements per account and you can see if a certain character got it or no. That's what we ask for.

If your only concern is that you can't display vma title with a character you haven't finished it with - then I already told you the compromise.

TheShadowScout wrote: »

Artis wrote: »

m? You just listed some more things yourself. It's the player who has done those things, indeed. So why would only one char have it?

Are you that lacking in understanding?
You are -really- telling me that you -the player- have a master angler title floating above your head? That YOU, THE PLAYER got skills from skyshards? Phu-leeeze? If you think that, it may be time to see a competent psychotherapist about your delusions...

Yes, everything our characters do they do under direction from a player. Doesn't mean the player gets the skyshard. Doesn't mean the player gets the title. Doesn't mean the player gets the crafting style. Etc.
So why should it be the -player- who gets the archievement???

I mean... you get one of the rare titles on your main, then make a new character... should these newbie characters then be allowed to run around with "Beothia's Scythe" over their level-3 heads??? Really?????
And either you allow ALL titles to be account wide, or none. So no cherry picking, hear!

Artis wrote: »

If you want to know which toon exactly achieved what, they could add an indicator of a different color, that says if this particular toon got this achievement or not.

I would not mind them showing the archievements a different toon has in a different color. Like, say... grey -undone; brown - done on different character, green done on this character. But that's not really the issue here, is it?

The issue here was account-wide achievements... which aould also lead to account wide titles, and to account wide cooperation. Yes, that would make some achievements waaaaaaay easier - if everyone from the same account pitched together, those "kill 500 mudcrabs" things would be done in a snap, and the trophy hunting a lot less hassle as well.
Which is why I presume the weak kneed milk-drinkers keep whining for it...
Which is why I am so opposed to it.

Artis wrote: »

Yeah, dyes, motifs, titles etc should be account-wide. OK I don't insist on some titles like Flawless Conqueror that show how good a player is playing this toon. But the rest - yes, should be account-wide. It's absolutely dumb to expect players to grind fishing or motifs for more than 1 character. It's just grind, doesn't require skill, like no-death vma.

No, that is exactly what you are insisting on. Because "equal rights for all" Either ALL titles go account wide, or none go. Not in the least because there is no reason whatsoever to have the achievements on every character. One "Master Angler" is enough, but if you really want a second - spend the darn effort (it would be foolish to want to spend that effort twice, but... people sometimes do foolish things)

Artis wrote: »

Omg WTF would you want to learn motifs on all characters. It's not doing a dungeon or anything - it's just clicking on an item. It has to be account-wide. If you go grind Covenant motif in sewers, then it's you - the player - who does that. Why do it again for each toon. Or fishing. How does it matter is it your templar or NB holding a fishing rod or grinding sewers? It doesn't matter at all. You got it right - it's the player who left-clicked thousands of times to get that master angler. Not the character. Running vMA with no deaths (or at all) on different characters is different. Fishing or grinding anything - does not.

So you are saying, if you earn money in your work, and use it to pay for a TV for your living room, you should get another TV for all your other rooms for free because you "already spent the effort"? I sincerely hope you do not Really think that is how the world works...
There is NO reason for such things to be account wide.
None.
At.
All.
No matter how much the "gimme crowd" may scream and whine for it.

Of course, there also is no reason for ALL characters to learn all crafting motivs. Its enough if your crafting character does it. Smart people have all three equipment crafts on one character for that purpose... (not to mention, while the act of learning it is clicking an item, first you have to -get- that item. Which in some cases... is as much effort as running dungeons)

Want it multiple times? Spend the effort to get it multiple times. Don't want to spend the effort? Either make do with what you feel comfortable spending the effort for, or pay through your nose to buy the darn things in the crown store.
But ramblings like "it has to be account-wide" when it clearly isn't... are not an valid argument to convince people that it -should- be account wide.

Artis wrote: »

When I open the achievements tab I should see total score that I got on my toons combined. And then when I inspect every achievement - that's when I see if I got it on this particular character!

Why?
You log into a character, you open the journal, you open the achievement tab... all the other things in the journal so far had been character specific, why should that one tab suddenly be otherwise???

Now... if there was an achievement tab you could open -before- logging into a specific character... THAT would be the place to count account wide progression. I would not mind seeing them add something like that... but of course, I would not want any of the things from it to carry over to the characters. Not titles. No achievement score. No crafting motivs or horse training or crafting research or map update or skyshard skill points... you get the idea, right?
And I happen to think that this is what people are -acttually- whining for - not the "see account progress", they want to get the titles and stuff cheap-like, because they think they are entitled to having it easy for some reason.

Artis wrote: »

You definitely should agree with this, because it's what you want - for achievements to reflect your character's progress. And it's a compromise with reflecting player's progress. Because that's what it is -- player's progress (which can be different with different characters maybe, but still non duplicate achievements should combine for all toons and I should see the score). If you disagree that simply means that you don't really want to see your character's progress - you just want ME to not see MY progress and to force me to grind fishing on every character if I want to use master angler, for example.

Please don't try to tell me what I want.
I definitely do not agree with this, because I -already- see my character progress, and you want to argue things should be changed just because you want to see the achievements handed to you all across the board.

Like mentioned, I would not mind them adding a "account score" tab to the login screen so you can yee "your" progress.

I am however very much opposed to anyone getting the achievements themselves across their whole account. If you want a specific title for one character, you should hae to spend the effort On That Character. If you want Master Angler, catch the darn fish. If you want Boethiah's Scythe, clear the darn arena. On That Character! Not on your main and then show off the title on your newly made alt.

If you want something, spend the effort.
If you want something twice, spend the effort twice.

You should read the whole post first before commenting. You accuse me of wanting to use boethia scythe on lowbie toons, when I clearly said that Titles that require skills shouldn't be account-wide. However fishing etc must be account wide. They do no require skill. And whatever, I don't even care about being able to craft in that motif until it is earned separately on a specific character. All I want is not to have a feeling that I'm no longer progressing.

When I know I got 16k+ achievement points and then I create an alt with 0 points, I am not progressing until I reach those 16k+ points first. And then if I earn something new - I'm progressing. And not even this. I just want to be able to know what achievements I got as a player.

p.s. This is not true (italic in quote) on a bigger scale. You just omit the context. The game is designed for the account. What happened to your consistency and integrity? Why don't you ask for separate banks and guilds for a character? They are account wide. When I type something in a guild chat or whisper a friend - they see my account name. Costumes, pets, mementos are account-wide. Yes, mementos which you get for completing public dungeons with one character can be used by all characters! So how come titles/motifs etc should be different? And why don't you say that one should buy pets/costumes/skins for each character separately? Want it twice, buy it twice! Isn't that what you said? So where you protesting against those features when they were implemented? If yes - post a prooflink to a thread where this was going on. Because if not - you don't really want things to be character specific. You are just trolling us. We want something more convenient for us, like the fact that costumes/pets/mementos/bank/guilds are shared. The next logical step that is long overdue is to share achievements.

Well and regarding this miscarriage of the brain:

Are you that lacking in understanding?
You are -really- telling me that you -the player- have a master angler title floating above your head? That YOU, THE PLAYER got skills from skyshards? Phu-leeeze? If you think that, it may be time to see a competent psychotherapist about your delusions...

Yes, everything our characters do they do under direction from a player. Doesn't mean the player gets the skyshard. Doesn't mean the player gets the title. Doesn't mean the player gets the crafting style. Etc.
So why should it be the -player- who gets the archievement???

Are you? Some humanities major will accuse me of the lack of understanding? You might have troubles with abstract thinking, but yes it's a player who does all this mindless grind. And if you want to use your "logic" strictly, I am not asking for a player to a title floating over his head, but for his characters anyways.

And yes, it does mean that the player gets the skyshard, that the player gets the title and the style. Because it's the player who puts effort, not the character. The character is just a tool. Is it Einstein who is a Nobel laureate or his pencil? Because that's what you're saying. That it's not P. Kane who has the NHL champion title and got the Art Ross trophy, but his hockey stick.

I'm not even asking to display title before conditions are met on a particular character, but I want to see my progress regardless of the hockey stick I'm using in this period/match.

Volkodav wrote: »

If my achievements were account wide,then what would be the use to do anything with an alt? The whole point of creating and running an alt is to start it all over again.
If all achievements were account wide,then what would be the use to do anything with an alt? Quest achievements wouldnt be able to be done,so why do quests.They would already be registered in achievements.Like monster Slayer,Dominion Hero,or Dungeon Master. The whole point of creating and running an alt is to start it all over again.That means everything new.
Personally,I love doing achievements.They arent needed,but for the ones that give you dyes,but they are always a lot of fun to do.When I get tired of questing,I take off and work on an achievement.

Please read the posts again. No one is suggesting you shouldn't earn achievements on alts. Check how it's implemented in WoW. The only difference is that you will see all your achievements when you're playing your alt, but they will be greyed out or in a separate tab or something. Maybe some dyes and titles would be shared, maybe not. But you still would be able to start anew.

WalkingLegacy · May 2016

Artis wrote: »

I think they should be bound to account. They reflect what a player did, not the character. The characters on one account are controlled by one player and he's the one who got the achievements.

Otherwise, why can't our characters join different guilds? No, guilds are per account. Why don't they have separate banks?

Yes, a lot of things should be bound to account, but unfortunately there are a lot of roleplayers in the community forums here and they don't want anything that will break their "immersion".

Artis · May 2016

WalkingLegacy wrote: »

Artis wrote: »

I think they should be bound to account. They reflect what a player did, not the character. The characters on one account are controlled by one player and he's the one who got the achievements.

Otherwise, why can't our characters join different guilds? No, guilds are per account. Why don't they have separate banks?

Yes, a lot of things should be bound to account, but unfortunately there are a lot of roleplayers in the community forums here and they don't want anything that will break their "immersion".

That is understandable, but for all they know I completed that vDSA or vMA with my templar, not only my sorc (I don't play either, it's just an example). I agree that a lvl3 character can't be Flawless Conqueror. Or even the character who hasn't completed vMA. So yes, there must be conditions for a player to meet with a certain character to use some titles. But there's absolutely no reason for their immersion to be broken if I use Master Angler on a character who hypothetically could've gotten it. Again, for example, I don't have this achievement. Or why would their immersion be broken if I could see that I collected all the trophies with my main. Or if I see which Outlaw/Malacath etc chapters I'm missing, so that I can give them to my main if I find them on my alt, so that my main can get that achievement finished?

I mean all those things can be option to see if roleplayers don't want to see them in their achievement tab, but it's absolutely none of their business if I can see these things. And if I'm using a title on a character who I didn't do an achievement with, but hypothetically might as well have done!

daemonios · May 2016

emily3989 wrote: »

daemonios wrote: »

Nope. By design, achievements are something your characters earn, not you as a player. I like that design. I realize other people might not like it, but I don't know why ESO has to be like every other Steam/PS4/XBOX game where achievements are always account-bound. Just leave them be. If some achievements are a problem due to the long grind, I might agree with some changes there; other than that, no.

Then why can my lvl 1 alt use my V16 costume? Or better yet, his 501 CP, which has a heck of a lot more influence on game play than some dark purple dye.

True. But I never asked for that and actually posted against CP and the removal of vet ranks.

Oreyn_Bearclaw · May 2016

I think the solution is SOOOOOOOO simple. Just do both. Have an account wide achievement section AND have an individual achievement section for each toon. The only in game "advantage" you get are dyes, titles, skins, and pets (dont think I am missing any). Other than titles, I have no issue with the rest being account wide, as they already are anyways. Only thing I don't want to see are a bunch of level 10 stormproofs running around Davon's Watch.

FLuFFyxMuFFiN · May 2016

I don't want achievements to be account wide. The titles should be though.

Artis · May 2016

Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »

I think the solution is SOOOOOOOO simple. Just do both. Have an account wide achievement section AND have an individual achievement section for each toon. The only in game "advantage" you get are dyes, titles, skins, and pets (dont think I am missing any). Other than titles, I have no issue with the rest being account wide, as they already are anyways. Only thing I don't want to see are a bunch of level 10 stormproofs running around Davon's Watch.

Finally, someone else gets it.
And yes there should still be requirements for some titles.

Silver_Strider · May 2016

The only achievement I want to be shared across accounts would be the Vampire and Werewolf achievement.
It sucks having to get 1, level it to max, cure it and do the same with the other one.

Dromede · May 2016

I only care for achievements unlocked on my main, altmer sorc. She's the only one that bothered to go through Cadwell's Torture and all similar achievements that take forever to complete. I'll never make her a vamp or ww, but I got this achievements' dyes on my other toons, so that's close enough.

Also, vet dungeon achievements give a good amount of Undaunted points and xp per character, and I'd like to enhance my leveling experience of each toon with them. Sharing achievements account-wide would take away from that.

Divinius · May 2016

These threads are always a disaster.

Basically, most of the game's achievements make more sense being per character as they are.

Granted, there are a few that probably should have been made account-wide from the beginning (Master Angler, monster trophies, etc.) but they weren't, and I don't see them completely revamping the system to separate those few out and changing them at this point.