Level 1-49 with CP pts

BEL_MARDUK · May 2016

I am at a lost to why our low level alts get access to CP before being vet level. To me this simply makes it very unfair for new players without a character that has reached the CP accruing level. I can only think it is done to make life easier for those who have progressed a first character... but again why do we need to make it easier for them (us)?

If people want alts and they want to experience different races and classes and stam v magicka, why are they in such hurry to speed through to max level? I acknowledge that one could argue that applying CP to low level alts is optional, but in reality one needs to use the CP at lower levels to remain competitive with other players using alts, whether in group PVE or in PVP. If I am mistaken feel free to correct me.

Also, I cannot find the dark brotherhood patch notes presently, but do we know what will happen with vet removal with the 16 skill & attribute points accrued at vet level? Do level 50 players get given them or do "VR16" players lose them? Thanks

strikeback1247 · May 2016

CP don't matter in pre-vet PvE, because there is nothing competitive pre-vet. Furthermore, BwB has CP disabled so also no problem there.

wayfarerx · May 2016

BEL_MARDUK wrote: »

Also, I cannot find the dark brotherhood patch notes presently, but do we know what will happen with vet removal with the 16 skill & attribute points accrued at vet level? Do level 50 players get given them or do "VR16" players lose them? Thanks

The 15 vet skill and attribute points will be granted during the 1-50 leveling process. You will get two points every level that ends in 5 and three points every level that ends in 0.

phaneub17_ESO · May 2016

strikeback1247 wrote: »

CP don't matter in pre-vet PvE, because there is nothing competitive pre-vet. Furthermore, BwB has CP disabled so also no problem there.

Makes running dungeons as a tank or healer pre-50 a whole lot easier, you can almost level straight to 50 doing that without much problems compared to new players who don't have that extra oomph.

Waffennacht · May 2016

I don't know why it matters, PvE you are better off paired with a CP player, and in PvP there is non CP campaign. I don't see any issues.

DaveMoeDee · May 2016

strikeback1247 wrote: »

CP don't matter in pre-vet PvE, because there is nothing competitive pre-vet. Furthermore, BwB has CP disabled so also no problem there.

Agreed. When I play a low level alt, it isn't for challenge. It is just to level and possibly to better enjoy quests that I previously clicked through. Give me the CP.

DaveMoeDee · May 2016

Waffennacht wrote: »

I don't know why it matters, PvE you are better off paired with a CP player, and in PvP there is non CP campaign. I don't see any issues.

To be fair, you aren't better off if people drop you from groups due to not having CP.

FriedEggSandwich · May 2016

Can you just choose to not spend them? It's not something I've tried so idk, but it's the first thing that springs to mind.

Rune_Relic · May 2016

FriedEggSandwich wrote: »

Can you just choose to not spend them? It's not something I've tried so idk, but it's the first thing that springs to mind.

Levelling several alts....none of them with CP allotted.
I cant see how anyone would get any enjoyment using CP on such low levels TBH
I feel way OP just by experience alone.

Luigi_Vampa · May 2016

Rune_Relic wrote: »

FriedEggSandwich wrote: »

Can you just choose to not spend them? It's not something I've tried so idk, but it's the first thing that springs to mind.

Levelling several alts....none of them with CP allotted.
I cant see how anyone would get any enjoyment using CP on such low levels TBH
I feel way OP just by experience alone.

Because once you are OP, you might as well be as OP as possible. I don't want a slow walk through leveling alts. I've already done the quests multiple times, I don't really need to hear the same story on all of my characters.

Aquanova · May 2016

On the PTS my vr3 characters did not get the 15 extra ability points that my vr16's have. Anyone know if we're supposed to get those points retroactively?

FriedEggSandwich · May 2016

Rune_Relic wrote: »

FriedEggSandwich wrote: »

Can you just choose to not spend them? It's not something I've tried so idk, but it's the first thing that springs to mind.

Levelling several alts....none of them with CP allotted.
I cant see how anyone would get any enjoyment using CP on such low levels TBH
I feel way OP just by experience alone.

Can you deallocate them? Again, I've not tried. What happens if you pay to redistribute, scroll down on everything then hit 'r' to confirm?

Edit: I have to admit being able to one-shot everything with a fire staff heavy attack on my alt got boring eventually.

BEL_MARDUK · May 2016

Thanks all for your input. I had forgotten that in PVP it is non-CP for <vet. But still it is unfair in group situations where some members have CP and some do not. You might be "better off" in a group with CP members but I feel it detracts from the experience for first time players. But not a big deal of course. Agree with Rune_Relic that experience playing on other characters counts for alot and provides sufficient benefit.

But I do not see an answer as to why people are in such a hurry in general? If you already have a max character then the chances are you have tried all dungeons etc, so why not build up to max level and enjoy the experience of leveling. I get it that reading the quests again is dull, but its not like you have to, you can skip dialogue and just kill the bosses, rescue etc etc and practice with the alt whilst doing so. If I understand what seems to be the majority view, you would even prefer if you could roll a new alt at the same level (e.g. VR16). For me that misses much of what the game has to offer, but each to their own, no judgments, just trying to understand. No offence intended.

BEL_MARDUK · May 2016

Just another quick idea. I struggle with wanting to play my alts but feel conflicted because I also want to keep gaining CP for my main. So as a possible compromise, I wish that leveling alts from 1-50 also earned CP for all characters (just if <vet you can't use it). Then I would experiment so much more with alts and feel guilt free towards not neglecting my main...hahaha.

wayfarerx · May 2016

Typhoios wrote: »

Rune_Relic wrote: »

FriedEggSandwich wrote: »

Can you just choose to not spend them? It's not something I've tried so idk, but it's the first thing that springs to mind.

Levelling several alts....none of them with CP allotted.
I cant see how anyone would get any enjoyment using CP on such low levels TBH
I feel way OP just by experience alone.

Because once you are OP, you might as well be as OP as possible. I don't want a slow walk through leveling alts. I've already done the quests multiple times, I don't really need to hear the same story on all of my characters.

This. I took no little pleasure in one-shotting Doshia on my CP-capped level 8. Payback is hell.

BEL_MARDUK wrote: »

Just another quick idea. I struggle with wanting to play my alts but feel conflicted because I also want to keep gaining CP for my main. So as a possible compromise, I wish that leveling alts from 1-50 also earned CP for all characters (just if <vet you can't use it). Then I would experiment so much more with alts and feel guilt free towards not neglecting my main...hahaha.

I remember someone running the numbers recently and you would get something like 2 cp doing 1-50, not really worth it IMO.

WhoThenNow7 · May 2016

If I couldn't apply cp to alts then I would never make alts and I would ultimately get bored and quit the game plain and simple. Almost everyone in here likes the way it is now. You're one of the very few that think it's unfair. But guess what, we all started at level 1 with no cp and we made it. Find a grind spot and stop complaining, you'll be fine I promise.

BEL_MARDUK · May 2016

Not complaining, sure I made that clear several times. I am fine and happy with ESO, was just curious.
Happy gaming to all.

BEL_MARDUK · May 2016

WhoThenNow7 wrote: »

But guess what, we all started at level 1 with no cp and we made it.

BTW many of us started ESO before CP existed. Just saying that there is a difference in low level group dungeons if some have CP and some do not AND it is not clear that a player is using a bunch of CP (or not). Again, no big deal, no issue, just wished to find out why everyone is in a hurry to be maxed out? Each to their own.

WhoThenNow7 · May 2016

Not trying to come across as rude. I apologize if I sounded harsh. Just sounds like you contradict yourself when you say you think cp points should not be spread to alts and then say you wish you could earn them as a 1-49. I get your point in saying that, but to me at least it just seems like a nice "reward" the way it is now.

Duiwel · May 2016

OP please do research before posting stuff like this.

First of all some facts for you

Champion Points assist players tremendously for example: resource management ( something low level characters severely lack ) so now you can kill faster and stronger mobs at low level by using champion points in PvE ( thus you have been rewarded for your hard work ).

By the logic of your suggestion low level characters should also not have access to crafting sets because new players will not have them and thus it's an unfair advantage...

Perhaps you want a pvp server with just fists? Since I can tell you now someone with an MMO mouse vs someone with a cheap-o mouse will have have an advantage, someone with MMO experience vs someone without it will have an advantage, someone with a bigger screen, faster connection, better pc, who lives closer to the server in EU that being Frankfurt Am Main Germany, someone who has played all the classes and knows all the skills thus knowing when to counter and what is most dangerous, someone who animation cancels ect. will have an advantage ( I can go on but I hope you get the point ).

In PvP champion points are disabled so your argument is invalid.

So in conclusion why does this bother you?

The only way to get better is by playing against someone better. - this is an old chess proverb I suggest you let that sink in.

Sunburnt_Penguin · May 2016

BEL_MARDUK wrote: »

I am at a lost to why our low level alts get access to CP before being vet level. To me this simply makes it very unfair for new players without a character that has reached the CP accruing level. I can only think it is done to make life easier for those who have progressed a first character... but again why do we need to make it easier for them (us)?

If people want alts and they want to experience different races and classes and stam v magicka, why are they in such hurry to speed through to max level? I acknowledge that one could argue that applying CP to low level alts is optional, but in reality one needs to use the CP at lower levels to remain competitive with other players using alts, whether in group PVE or in PVP. If I am mistaken feel free to correct me.

Also, I cannot find the dark brotherhood patch notes presently, but do we know what will happen with vet removal with the 16 skill & attribute points accrued at vet level? Do level 50 players get given them or do "VR16" players lose them? Thanks

It just speeds it up a bit, whether questing or powelevelling.

Having done it once I'm not arsed about immersion or following the story, I just want to level up ASAP.

If people don't want it made easier and to not be able to level as quickly possible, they can simply just not apply the CPs and wear non-crafted gear. In fact, this also applies to those who want to silver & gold quest within DB.

It also allows PvPers to level in CP campaigns without being at too much of a disadvantage (or even be OP in some cases).

BEL_MARDUK · May 2016

Duiwel wrote: »

OP please do research before posting stuff like this.

First of all some facts for you

Champion Points assist players tremendously for example: resource management ( something low level characters severely lack ) so now you can kill faster and stronger mobs at low level by using champion points in PvE ( thus you have been rewarded for your hard work ).

By the logic of your suggestion low level characters should also not have access to crafting sets because new players will not have them and thus it's an unfair advantage...

Perhaps you want a pvp server with just fists? Since I can tell you now someone with an MMO mouse vs someone with a cheap-o mouse will have have an advantage, someone with MMO experience vs someone without it will have an advantage, someone with a bigger screen, faster connection, better pc, who lives closer to the server in EU that being Frankfurt Am Main Germany, someone who has played all the classes and knows all the skills thus knowing when to counter and what is most dangerous, someone who animation cancels ect. will have an advantage ( I can go on but I hope you get the point ).

In PvP champion points are disabled so your argument is invalid.

So in conclusion why does this bother you?

The only way to get better is by playing against someone better. - this is an old chess proverb I suggest you let that sink in.

Duiwei, no need to be offensive. I indicated at the beginning that I could be wrong...if you took the time to read the subsequent posts you will see that someone else pointed out that PVP is non CP for low level AND I acknowledged and apologised for the oversight. For all of you so quick to attack, my post was not to complain, rather just fact/opinion gathering. And for someone seemingly so bright, you misunderstood my "compromise". I proposed that low level alts EARN CP, something not currently happening, BUT DO NOT HAVE ACCESS TO CP UNTIL VET, so no invalid argument. Suggest you read the full posts and responses before posting, especially when criticizing.

In conclusion my 1st question does not "bother" me. My 2nd question about rushing to max has not been answered but thats okay. I am tired of being criticized just for having a different opinion, no matter how politely it is posed. Happy gaming to all.