What Happened to Gaming & Gaming Communities

dday3six · May 2016

Lysette wrote: »

Lysette wrote: »

dday3six wrote: »

Lysette wrote: »

Is there a book, telling the stories of players in WoW?- Guess, no, but there are a couple for EVE - IMO EVE will be the only MMO which will stand the test of time, because it has it all - passionate developers, excellent balancing without to make everyone the same, skill-driven, open-world, sand box, player-driven economy, huge variety of options, highly complex builds possible, history is written by the players. This game will be there in 10 years, in 20 years and as well in 30 years - it has all what it takes, it is made to last, not for the highest profit.

EVE isn't a success story. CCP is heavily government subsidized. They've actually been struggling financially since 2011.

Nonsense.

Yes, I know about the financial problems, but those are over and where not related to EVE, but to World of Darkness.

Edit: I took a close eye on their financial reports, as long as they had to publish them - and I can read balances.

Then you'll know that the reports have not been published publicly since March, 2015.

r.jan_emailb16_ESO · May 2016

Wow, the good old times where everything was better. Go and play Dark Souls on lvl 1 if you're so inclined on a challenge and a game that punishes your mistakes. Those games are out there, you know.

Molag_Crow · May 2016

You couldn't have said it any better... I've been wondering the same for ages now and it all comes down to the younger generation of gamers being more self-entitled and they won't appreciate the help you give them, even if they happen to beg for it, they'll treat you as if it's expected to them... and games like LoL, DOTA and all the others out there which spawned toxic communities and... I could go on and on about this but yeah, things change, people change and the gaming industry has already been infiltrated and exploited to turn games into... jobs, rather than actual fun, what games are supposed to be...

Alurria · May 2016

r.jan_emailb16_ESO wrote: »

Wow, the good old times where everything was better. Go and play Dark Souls on lvl 1 if you're so inclined on a challenge and a game that punishes your mistakes. Those games are out there, you know.

I think you are missing the point of the discussion, it's not about difficulty level of any game. But your statement backs up what I have observed on how the view has changed as it relates to MMOs.

Ch4mpTW · May 2016

pieceofyarnb14_ESO wrote: »

r.jan_emailb16_ESO wrote: »

Wow, the good old times where everything was better. Go and play Dark Souls on lvl 1 if you're so inclined on a challenge and a game that punishes your mistakes. Those games are out there, you know.

I think you are missing the point of the discussion, it's not about difficulty level of any game. But your statement backs up what I have observed on how the view has changed as it relates to MMOs.

Correct, and very true. +1

r.jan_emailb16_ESO · May 2016

pieceofyarnb14_ESO wrote: »

r.jan_emailb16_ESO wrote: »

Wow, the good old times where everything was better. Go and play Dark Souls on lvl 1 if you're so inclined on a challenge and a game that punishes your mistakes. Those games are out there, you know.

I think you are missing the point of the discussion, it's not about difficulty level of any game. But your statement backs up what I have observed on how the view has changed as it relates to MMOs.

The OP is actually about difficulty of games, among other things.

But anyway, most posts in this thread are heavily nostalgia-driven, and even though I was still in school when people started to play MMOs I don't believe that there have only been nice people on the internet. The internet is basically a mirror of the society, just without the many filters that are between you and a lot of the not-so-nice people in the offline world. And obviously many people like these kind of games, or they wouldn't buy them... as for the people you interact with, that's pretty easy to handle. Like in real life, you're not forced to hang with the people on the other side of the bar, but you can't kick them out either.

Toxic communities, they're everywhere. Ever ranted about that other football club and it's stupid fans? Well, there you go. People trying to win, even if other people get left behind/feel bad? Take a look at the people way up on the career ladder. Big budgets ruining everything? Well I guess you only buy stuff from your local farmer and the carpenter next door then, and leave out all the things they can't provide.

And no, it's not so much about bad parenting or anything, as some here like to picture it... I mean Socrates already complained about the ill-mannered youth, and we're still here a few thousand years later.

me_ming · May 2016

E-sports will never be a considered a real sport.

Prior to ESO, I played LoL (League of Legends), and prior to LoL I played DoTA, but before that I was a captain of my Volleyball team in my University. The reason why E-sports will never be considered a real sport is it's just a bunch of nerds trying to convince themselves they can be good at some things. These are people who play video games because they can't play real sports, because if they do they'd know what it means to be in a team. They'd know what teamwork is. They would know that it is more advantageous for them to help that teammate that is struggling than flaming on them. They would have the patience to help someone who doesn't know mechanic. They would not rage quite, they would endure. And most importantly they would be gracious enough to admit defeat.

Yeah, sure not everyone who plays real sports are sportsman-like, but gamers in general, and across all games I've played, are salty. They cry everytime their main champion/hero/class/race is nerfed. They will whisper you when they died to you OR when they killed you, calling you names. They would not know how to appreciate a worthy opponent. They would rather think they are the best.

Not saying I have not been toxic to my fellow gamers, I will admit I have fired back when provoked, but that is why I don't play LoL and DoTA as much anymore. And at first, I thought the ESO community was different. Because when I first played the game people were fairly constructive. I guess, I was mistaken.

Kalante · May 2016

eh. This games PVP players are pretty arrogant. They seem to always like naming people kid for whatever stupid reason. When i hear a grown man say that it makes me cringe. "these kids". "that kid is so bad" like they want to feel some sense of superiority or something by saying kid. Would love to see them play a game were gear is not an advantage or cp.

r.jan_emailb16_ESO · May 2016

me_ming wrote: »

E-sports will never be a considered a real sport.

Prior to ESO, I played LoL (League of Legends), and prior to LoL I played DoTA, but before that I was a captain of my Volleyball team in my University. The reason why E-sports will never be considered a real sport is it's just a bunch of nerds trying to convince themselves they can be good at some things. These are people who play video games because they can't play real sports, because if they do they'd know what it means to be in a team. They'd know what teamwork is. They would know that it is more advantageous for them to help that teammate that is struggling than flaming on them. They would have the patience to help someone who doesn't know mechanic. They would not rage quite, they would endure. And most importantly they would be gracious enough to admit defeat.

Yeah, sure not everyone who plays real sports are sportsman-like, but gamers in general, and across all games I've played, are salty. They cry everytime their main champion/hero/class/race is nerfed. They will whisper you when they died to you OR when they killed you, calling you names. They would not know how to appreciate a worthy opponent. They would rather think they are the best.

Not saying I have not been toxic to my fellow gamers, I will admit I have fired back when provoked, but that is why I don't play LoL and DoTA as much anymore. And at first, I thought the ESO community was different. Because when I first played the game people were fairly constructive. I guess, I was mistaken.

Oh well. Tell that to the teams that make tons of money, and all the people that go and watch them. Can't get that without team play. Just because you're not good at it or don't like it, it's still a major thing for a lot of people. I personally find baseball or cricket to be incredibly boring and american football to be really stupid. That doesn't make an argument, though.

rfennell_ESO · May 2016

Ch4mpTW wrote: »

What happened to gaming? Serious question. What actually happened? The gaming community and games of now, just couldn't a handle to the candle to those of the past.

What happened to playing a game for fun, and playing to best your own high score? Then if you went and beat someone else's score, well done. But that was it. What happened to this? When did it get super competitive to the point that people are willing to go to extreme lengths such as companies even incorporating pay-to-win items to help players gain a competitive edge if they could afford it?

Which ties into what happened to games that actually challenged you. No, not challenged you in a means of incorporating one-shots and rubber-banding AI. That's "artificial difficulty". I mean games that really tested your reflexes and understanding of mechanics to get a task done properly. What happened to that? What happened to there being actual consequences for deaths in games, such as if you die? You have to start back from square one. No save points in terms of being able to respawn right back into the fight. You'd have to start from the beginning of the level/stage, and work your way back up to the boss. What happened to if your gear broke, it was a wrap. You'd have to go and craft new gear for yourself. Where did that go?

What happened to games be an escape from the drama and bs of daily society. But, it seems that the drama has creeped into the gaming communities. It's the drama of this guild wanting to do this, because this person is dating so and so. Or this person is demoted or enable to participate in an event because they lack a certain title or certain amount of champion points. Or because so and so isn't wearing a certain set, no they become the joke of a guild, and they eventually get kicked out of it. And NO ONE stands up for these people who get mistreated. And if you do, you get called a "white knight". Really? When did it become cool to troll, and make others feel like trash on the Internet and have witch hunts on gaming forums. Seriously. When did this become acceptable?

What happened to the actual drive to get better at a game, rather than sit there and whine and call something cheap and unfair. And rage and beg and scream for nerfs. This is called the "scrub mentality". You see it constantly in competitive environments in gaming. What happened to actually trying to figure out what you did wrong, and figure out how you were bested by another player? And then proceed with adopting in the fly, and adjusting your strategy. Now a days? Someone kills you because your build is lacks defense and sustain, and is so common that the opposing player has faced off against it numerous times. So they've got experience facing your build and tactics, but rather than come to this logic -- you'd rather make a forum post about it. And rage about it. Really?

What happened to gamers out there willing to help each other. Now you see predatory behavior everywhere. I remember when gaming communities were literally the best communities available online. Now they're probably the worst. Why is this? Why is it you want to "SWAT" someone, because they beat your score in a video game, and put their lives (along with others) in jeopardy. Really? Is it that serious?

Or, what happened to having to drive to hustle and grind? So because some people have exploited for something, you now want to have a witch hunt online and in forums, and say how they should be stripped of all they have, and or have their accounts permanently banned. Even if they were first time offenders or truly performed an exploit by accident. And simply choose to go about continuing to do so, to supply themselves. What happened to actually placing the blame in the company for the exploit being in existence in the first place? I've seen for myself people would rather treat others like trash, and degrade them, than say, "Hey. Hey _____, why didn't you thoroughly test _____ more? I mean, true indeed _____ shouldn't have exploited, but ultimately this is your fault for it having been there to begin with." So what happened to people blaming the true core source of the exploits at hand? What happened to when you found an exploit, you were heralded and you choose to share that knowledge with everyone to have everyone succeed. Why is it now everything is: Me, me, me. "Oh _____ has been able to get ______ as much as possible, while I haven't. So I hate them, I'm going to do any and everything I can to make their online life a living Hell. And while I'm at it, I'm going to rally a witch hunt, and humiliate any and everyone who tries to oppose my logic." Why? Why the selfishness and inconsiderateness?

So yes, I'm ultimately asking what happened. What happened to gaming as we know it. Seriously. What. Happened. I understand as communities grow larger, more bad apples are bound to arrive. But this is ridiculous. And it's like people are afraid to speak up about these things at hand, out of fear of being made fun of. And that itself isn't even cool. So please Elder Scrolls Online community. Please tell me what you think has happened to gaming and has caused it to transfer into what it is now.

The issue is that some people don't have the same values as you do. They lack them.

There are some of us that wouldn't play in a way that the goal is to ruin someone else's experience because it's dishonorable. Then there are those that ruining others experience is not only on the table, but it's the meal.

It's the "u mad bro" generation, and that's how they roll.

FortheloveofKrist · May 2016

The market evolved.

Let's look at it. Games used to be about selling copies, much like DVDs. Then it became about selling multiple iterations of the game, first called expansion packs and then DLCs. Now it's not really about selling the game itself. Now it's like the Apple business model: sell the customer a "marketplace" where they can make small (hopefully impulse) purchases. Microtransactions we call them. And gaming is a particularly unique marketplace in that the game developers can actually manipulate the market when necessary by changing drop rates, change game mechanics to make certain purchases more likely, or add new content that doesn't necessarily shine by itself but adds new elements to the marketplace.

https://youtu.be/dHyGCCZzG2o

kevlarto_ESO · May 2016

Well OP, times have changed and not all for the good.

I have been around computer games and online games since some of the first home pc's launched played muds, Meridian59, EQ the list goes on, back in those days computers were expensive had a little more mature player base. As the price of computer dropped and parents were doing the hand me down computers to the kids, we started to see a younger less mature players base, but even then most were still respectful, seems like once wow hit the market and made the first mmo that was casual friendly and the changes in our society, did we start to see the negative posters talking trash calling people names making personal attacks, and even threating them in real life, just crazy stuff. Plus the privacy the internet provides people just act out. There have been gaming magazine articles talking about how player bases have changed over the years and got so nasty. I try to play like I have always, help others when they ask, give information, but even doing that will get you flamed, so I still try to help out I just do it on the down low.

As far as games since wow has been in decline now for sometime you notice not to many wow clone games coming out, you are starting to see words like sandbox, live in the world used again, a mix of theme park and sandbox. Even with that it seems like dev's do not make games these days to keep people playing for years, they all seem to lack depth.

Different types of games and pay methods, esports, moba's, free to play, buy to play, App Games, in the beginning all we had was sub based game, and I wish it would have stayed that way for my personal taste. The gaming industry as a whole is a billion dollar industry, I guess as long as companies are making huge amounts of money for turning out mediocre products, that's the best we can expect, sad on so many levels. Just the observations of an old time gamer.

Korah_Eaglecry · May 2016

Lysette wrote: »

IMO the lack of hardship of any kind in the life of the younger generation. They grew up in relative wealthy families and get all handed to them for free and in abundance and that makes them feel entitled and spoiled. It is not just a matter of the gaming communities, it is a matter of modern society in a whole. This happened.

Youre seriously going to try and blame the "younger generation"? WTF does that even mean? Younger Generation....Can you put a number to that? An age group? Because the vast majority of gamers are actually 30 and above. Most of them grew up in the golden age of gaming.

You should probably take your nostalgia glasses off. There were plenty of easy games back in the day. Are you going to claim Pong was hard? Mario Bros? All they took was repetition and timing. Nothing overly skilled or difficult.

Most games that are considered easy arent actually easy. Players just dont notice the powercreep theyve obtained over the course of the game or the fact theyve played the particular content so much they now have it down pat. On the flip side, most of the gamers, as I said 30 and above, are no longer in College or High School. Theyve got a job, a family and a lot of responsibilities. They dont have time to commit to what you mistake as a challenge but is only actual arbitrary grinding. Game Companies are aware of this when they create a game. They know their demographic and they know that if theyre going for any age group outside of the average college and high school years. Theyre going to be looking at players that cant commit 8-16 hours of their time daily.

But hey, if youre the golden standard of the older generation. With this serious lack of knowledge of things you seem to have no issue weighing in on. Maybe the real problem is the people retiring and becoming too forgetful to keep up with the content.

BlackEar · May 2016

It was always like this, you just haven't been paying attention, or you were looking at it differently and did not see it.

Alurria · May 2016

r.jan_emailb16_ESO wrote: »

pieceofyarnb14_ESO wrote: »

r.jan_emailb16_ESO wrote: »

Wow, the good old times where everything was better. Go and play Dark Souls on lvl 1 if you're so inclined on a challenge and a game that punishes your mistakes. Those games are out there, you know.

I think you are missing the point of the discussion, it's not about difficulty level of any game. But your statement backs up what I have observed on how the view has changed as it relates to MMOs.

The OP is actually about difficulty of games, among other things.

But anyway, most posts in this thread are heavily nostalgia-driven, and even though I was still in school when people started to play MMOs I don't believe that there have only been nice people on the internet. The internet is basically a mirror of the society, just without the many filters that are between you and a lot of the not-so-nice people in the offline world. And obviously many people like these kind of games, or they wouldn't buy them... as for the people you interact with, that's pretty easy to handle. Like in real life, you're not forced to hang with the people on the other side of the bar, but you can't kick them out either.

Toxic communities, they're everywhere. Ever ranted about that other football club and it's stupid fans? Well, there you go. People trying to win, even if other people get left behind/feel bad? Take a look at the people way up on the career ladder. Big budgets ruining everything? Well I guess you only buy stuff from your local farmer and the carpenter next door then, and leave out all the things they can't provide.

And no, it's not so much about bad parenting or anything, as some here like to picture it... I mean Socrates already complained about the ill-mannered youth, and we're still here a few thousand years later.

So to sum up what you say....so what there is bad everywhere, nothing you can do about it , who cares your living in the past days right? Yes there are toxic communities everywhere, but you fail to realize indifference to them is just as bad if not worse then participating in them. You can't discount what people say if you never experienced it because you have no basic knowledge of it to draw a true conclusion. If you say well I heard about it, it's just a rumor and you can't base any opinion on a rumor as factual. Maybe Socrates was pissed when he wrote that quote, because his kid didn't feed the goats because he was to busy playing with his friends. But hey that's a rumor...no way to prove.

There is no denial of the fact that gamers have become very very salty, Dead Sea salty. Oh and MMOs and physical sporting events are not =\=. I guess I am asking you the point of your post?

My first attempt at the Internet, the only places to go were to university sites where everything was in the form of a document and people at those universities were extremely nice and communicated. Then there were BBS systems...oh believe me the community has changed a lot on the Internet.

rotaugen454 · May 2016

I don't think that I am wearing nostalgia glasses. I can remember game forums in the late 80s/early 90s that were FAR less toxic than the average game forum today. I can remember devs (like Larry Holland or Sid Meier) posting directly in forums, because they wouldn't get 1000 posts about how they were a thief, incompetent, or should be fired.

rfennell_ESO · May 2016

rotaugen454 wrote: »

I don't think that I am wearing nostalgia glasses. I can remember game forums in the late 80s/early 90s that were FAR less toxic than the average game forum today. I can remember devs (like Larry Holland or Sid Meier) posting directly in forums, because they wouldn't get 1000 posts about how they were a thief, incompetent, or should be fired.

There used to be a time in America where politics wasn't who could throw enough mud to make a little stick.

Times have changed, and not for the better. It's certainly not limited to gaming.

lappas · May 2016

What happened to the actual drive to get better at a game, rather than sit there and whine and call something cheap and unfair. And rage and beg and scream for nerfs. This is called the "scrub mentality". This post happend, alot of negativity without any discussion on how to improv anything. Just normal negativity and whine.

r.jan_emailb16_ESO · May 2016

pieceofyarnb14_ESO wrote: »

r.jan_emailb16_ESO wrote: »

pieceofyarnb14_ESO wrote: »

r.jan_emailb16_ESO wrote: »

Wow, the good old times where everything was better. Go and play Dark Souls on lvl 1 if you're so inclined on a challenge and a game that punishes your mistakes. Those games are out there, you know.

I think you are missing the point of the discussion, it's not about difficulty level of any game. But your statement backs up what I have observed on how the view has changed as it relates to MMOs.

The OP is actually about difficulty of games, among other things.

But anyway, most posts in this thread are heavily nostalgia-driven, and even though I was still in school when people started to play MMOs I don't believe that there have only been nice people on the internet. The internet is basically a mirror of the society, just without the many filters that are between you and a lot of the not-so-nice people in the offline world. And obviously many people like these kind of games, or they wouldn't buy them... as for the people you interact with, that's pretty easy to handle. Like in real life, you're not forced to hang with the people on the other side of the bar, but you can't kick them out either.

Toxic communities, they're everywhere. Ever ranted about that other football club and it's stupid fans? Well, there you go. People trying to win, even if other people get left behind/feel bad? Take a look at the people way up on the career ladder. Big budgets ruining everything? Well I guess you only buy stuff from your local farmer and the carpenter next door then, and leave out all the things they can't provide.

And no, it's not so much about bad parenting or anything, as some here like to picture it... I mean Socrates already complained about the ill-mannered youth, and we're still here a few thousand years later.

So to sum up what you say....so what there is bad everywhere, nothing you can do about it , who cares your living in the past days right? Yes there are toxic communities everywhere, but you fail to realize indifference to them is just as bad if not worse then participating in them. You can't discount what people say if you never experienced it because you have no basic knowledge of it to draw a true conclusion. If you say well I heard about it, it's just a rumor and you can't base any opinion on a rumor as factual. Maybe Socrates was pissed when he wrote that quote, because his kid didn't feed the goats because he was to busy playing with his friends. But hey that's a rumor...no way to prove.

There is no denial of the fact that gamers have become very very salty, Dead Sea salty. Oh and MMOs and physical sporting events are not =\=. I guess I am asking you the point of your post?

My first attempt at the Internet, the only places to go were to university sites where everything was in the form of a document and people at those universities were extremely nice and communicated. Then there were BBS systems...oh believe me the community has changed a lot on the Internet.

I guess my point is that you will never go back to those glorious times where the internet was basically a segregated community for a selected few. It's also wrong to think that this special part of the past means that there is a fundamental difference between now and then, it just got normalized. I also did not equalized MMOs and sport events, I only pointed out that this "saltyness" is not exactly restricted to MMOs and the like.

Alurria · May 2016

rotaugen454 wrote: »

I don't think that I am wearing nostalgia glasses. I can remember game forums in the late 80s/early 90s that were FAR less toxic than the average game forum today. I can remember devs (like Larry Holland or Sid Meier) posting directly in forums, because they wouldn't get 1000 posts about how they were a thief, incompetent, or should be fired.

Which goes right back to the OPs question what has happened to the gaming community, I firmly believe it is a direct result of being able to hide behind a computer screen. I know there are people out there who like Howard Stern say things to shock and awe because it feeds their ego and they don't suffer repercussions for it. Where I grew up you didn't let you allergator mouth over ride your humming bird a** or you suffered the consequence of it.

Now it's cry in game abuse other people verbally on a forum because they know they are safe. Until AI parenting is invented this is what we have....

Shadowfx1970 · May 2016

So many things have happened in the last 40 years, the change from the "What can we create" to "How much can we make" the change from small tight knit gaming communities to every man, woman and child having access to online games, the generation of kids that only played video games when they couldn't go outside to the generation of play video games unless I have to go outside, the change from "I want to one day beat this game one day" to "If I don't complete this game first go I'll never play it again" the change in technology which meant you could achieve in graphics what you once did with compelling stories and the fact many of us have grown older and see the past through rose-tinted specs.

But the biggest reason and much less cynical one is the fact games companies have to cater for a much wider range of gamer these days with a much wider skill range, it's a lot more complex than a simple quick answer, games cost more to produce, take a lot more time and skills resources than they once did and have to appeal to a much bigger audience in order to be profitable.

dday3six · May 2016

Lysette wrote: »

IMO the lack of hardship of any kind in the life of the younger generation. They grew up in relative wealthy families and get all handed to them for free and in abundance and that makes them feel entitled and spoiled. It is not just a matter of the gaming communities, it is a matter of modern society in a whole. This happened.

You must only interact with the privileged. Pass through any lower classed area even in a first world nation and you'll see plenty of hardship. The majority is not relatively wealthy, and nothing is handed to them for free. People see decadence on display via the internet but they are foolish to think that luxury spills over to everyone.

Alurria · May 2016

@Shadowfx1970 love your quote! True what you said. We really need AI parenting though....the kind where if you make a rotten insulting post on a gaming forum the computer automatically shuts down for 24 hrs and when it reboots makes you type 200 hundred times "I have learned my lesson". Oh it's coming I can see it now.

Shadowfx1970 · May 2016

pieceofyarnb14_ESO wrote: »

@Shadowfx1970 love your quote! True what you said. We really need AI parenting though....the kind where if you make a rotten insulting post on a gaming forum the computer automatically shuts down for 24 hrs and when it reboots makes you type 200 hundred times "I have learned my lesson". Oh it's coming I can see it now.

Lol yeah can you imagine it, they get upset over a 2 hr downtime these days...

Ch4mpTW · May 2016

pieceofyarnb14_ESO wrote: »

@Shadowfx1970 love your quote! True what you said. We really need AI parenting though....the kind where if you make a rotten insulting post on a gaming forum the computer automatically shuts down for 24 hrs and when it reboots makes you type 200 hundred times "I have learned my lesson". Oh it's coming I can see it now.

Sounds like something out of The Jetsons meets The Simpsons. Bart getting forced to type it. Lol. But, honestly I wish gaming could return to its previous glorious state. Because, what we have now on our hands is a genuine mess. And a lot of it is so petty, that it could be fixed in a year if worked hard enough at it (as a whole). But, unfortunately... That'll never happen. We can only do what we can ourselves, and try to be the solid role models. And hopefully, just hopefully, I think we can try and breed a better generation of gamers.

Villious · May 2016

The anonymity behind a keyboard and monitor.
Kids not growing up being taught values, morals, etc.
The entitlement generation.
Gaming becoming big businesses, and only in it for the money.
And so on, and so on.

dday3six · May 2016

pieceofyarnb14_ESO wrote: »

@Shadowfx1970 love your quote! True what you said. We really need AI parenting though....the kind where if you make a rotten insulting post on a gaming forum the computer automatically shuts down for 24 hrs and when it reboots makes you type 200 hundred times "I have learned my lesson". Oh it's coming I can see it now.

It's better to educate people on the benefits of politness and courtesy, than it is to try and force it out of them. Forced compliance applied to broadly ultimately leads to rebellion. You really don't want a cyber shut down button tempting the fingers of malcontents. Sarcasm aside, that's what that sort of system is very vulnerable to. Not to mention any economic ramifications if consumers, even to their own determinant, choose to no longer purchase electronic devices with said compliance features.

Alurria · May 2016

Ch4mpTW wrote: »

pieceofyarnb14_ESO wrote: »

@Shadowfx1970 love your quote! True what you said. We really need AI parenting though....the kind where if you make a rotten insulting post on a gaming forum the computer automatically shuts down for 24 hrs and when it reboots makes you type 200 hundred times "I have learned my lesson". Oh it's coming I can see it now.

Sounds like something out of The Jetsons meets The Simpsons. Bart getting forced to type it. Lol. But, honestly I wish gaming could return to its previous glorious state. Because, what we have now on our hands is a genuine mess. And a lot of it is so petty, that it could be fixed in a year if worked hard enough at it (as a whole). But, unfortunately... That'll never happen. We can only do what we can ourselves, and try to be the solid role models. And hopefully, just hopefully, I think we can try and breed a better generation of gamers.

So true...I mean I cruise the forum just waiting for a fresh idea thread to come along, or a thread about how much fun a person had completing a dungeon or a quest or finally hitting a milestone in character development. It's sifting through the negativity that bogs me down. ESO is a good game and like other good games is a work in progress, but man there are some here who think it's the devil incarnate or worse. I am having a good time in ESO again now to find a few guilds where I can make some friends. It gets harder all the time I wonder if the old timers guild is still active in ESO? Nice topic OP thanks for starting it!

rfennell_ESO · May 2016

dday3six wrote: »

pieceofyarnb14_ESO wrote: »

@Shadowfx1970 love your quote! True what you said. We really need AI parenting though....the kind where if you make a rotten insulting post on a gaming forum the computer automatically shuts down for 24 hrs and when it reboots makes you type 200 hundred times "I have learned my lesson". Oh it's coming I can see it now.

It's better to educate people on the benefits of politness and courtesy, than it is to try and force it out of them. Forced compliance applied to broadly ultimately leads to rebellion. You really don't want a cyber shut down button tempting the fingers of malcontents. Sarcasm aside, that's what that sort of system is very vulnerable to. Not to mention any economic ramifications if consumers, even to their own determinant, choose to no longer purchase electronic devices with said compliance features.

The problem is there is little to no benefit to politeness and courtesy anymore. Maybe there never was...

dday3six · May 2016

rfennell_ESO wrote: »

dday3six wrote: »

pieceofyarnb14_ESO wrote: »

@Shadowfx1970 love your quote! True what you said. We really need AI parenting though....the kind where if you make a rotten insulting post on a gaming forum the computer automatically shuts down for 24 hrs and when it reboots makes you type 200 hundred times "I have learned my lesson". Oh it's coming I can see it now.

It's better to educate people on the benefits of politness and courtesy, than it is to try and force it out of them. Forced compliance applied to broadly ultimately leads to rebellion. You really don't want a cyber shut down button tempting the fingers of malcontents. Sarcasm aside, that's what that sort of system is very vulnerable to. Not to mention any economic ramifications if consumers, even to their own determinant, choose to no longer purchase electronic devices with said compliance features.

The problem is there is little to no benefit to politeness and courtesy anymore. Maybe there never was...

Generally speaking if you want something from someone being nice to them is the easier route to obtaining it.