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!WARNING! Do Not use your Banker Hireling to transfer survey writs between characters.
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Yolokin_Swagonborn✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭So what about the person at ZOS that designed resource nodes that spawn WITHOUT consuming the Crafting Survey and only consumes the survey when the first node is harvested. Do they get ban for not quality testing and realizing that if you have a token that spawns an event, and you don't destroy the token once the event is spawned, that event can be repeated?
This was the same problem with the item dupe bug at launch. You could trigger it accidentally just by stacking items in your guild bank. That is why you cant stack items in your guild bank to this day.
Poor programming practices make an exploit. People play the game and accidentally trigger the mechanic that creates the exploit. ZOS bans everyone that triggered the easily triggered exploit regardless of intention. Guess that's just how it works.5 -
Inklings✭✭✭✭✭there has to be more to it though, i do writs on all my characters,i put them in the bank because only one character does the actual searching and has all the passives unlocked. the others are only able to find the mats at highest lvl and have lvl 3 hireling unlocked. BTW i dont have a banker nor have i been banned,im gonna take a guess and say theyre actually looking through our history with our character usage.
I wish they would allow us to talk on the forums about these exploits, it would make so much more sense to you whats going on and why innocent people were actually banned.
And if they actually did look through history of our characters instead of a ban script there wouldnt be any issues, but ZoS has NEVER handled their disciplinary actions that way.2 -
Lexynide✭✭✭✭Resorting to personal attacks is just childish.
But I guarantee I'm not naming people to save yourself the stress, but I know there are people who will see this and use it as a way to get out of it. I highly doubt more than about 20 or so innocent people got banned, probably just a handful. But fair enough
Childish is taking analogy as a personal attack. If you saw a personal attack in my words, then you must see same thing in your "I bet 90% of you are all cheaters anyway" - because my analogy is on the same level of quality of an argument as your assumption based on literally "I'll just pull a number lol" is, and it is only designed to illustrate how stupid your assumptions are.
Analogies are not personal, they are designed to illustrate what is wrong with your statement.4 -
KingYogi415✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭The glitch has been hotfixed. People using the banker for the glitch were banned. No one is getting banned going forward using the banker. This whole thread is a lie.
Cheers!
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KingYogi415✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭People used this glitch to get 10's if not hundreds of thousands of mats. A couple faulty 3 day bans is not bad.1 -
Inklings✭✭✭✭✭KingYogi415 wrote: »The glitch has been hotfixed. People using the banker for the glitch were banned. No one is getting banned going forward using the banker. This whole thread is a lie.
Cheers!
I was not suspended until well after the patch went live. So yeah they are still suspending people. In fact i was in TS with a very well known community member who was streaming when it happened. So i have proof.1 -
KingYogi415✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭KingYogi415 wrote: »The glitch has been hotfixed. People using the banker for the glitch were banned. No one is getting banned going forward using the banker. This whole thread is a lie.
Cheers!
I was not suspended until well after the patch went live. So yeah they are still suspending people. In fact i was in TS with a very well known community member who was streaming when it happened. So i have proof.
It's still because of tons of survey usage before the hotfix. Going forward people should be fine. I think you are right about the bots!0 -
Inklings✭✭✭✭✭KingYogi415 wrote: »KingYogi415 wrote: »The glitch has been hotfixed. People using the banker for the glitch were banned. No one is getting banned going forward using the banker. This whole thread is a lie.
Cheers!
I was not suspended until well after the patch went live. So yeah they are still suspending people. In fact i was in TS with a very well known community member who was streaming when it happened. So i have proof.
It's still because of tons of survey usage before the hotfix. Going forward people should be fine. I think you are right about the bots!
Also in the past they have done the bans in waves, so that could have been why i didnt get the boot until much later then others. But honestly dude, i wouldn't risk loosing my account until this gets cleared up. I still advise everyone to play it safe. They will have to address this come tomorrow, as they cant keep silent about having a 40$ item lead to undeserved suspensions on peoples accounts.Edited by Inklings on April 30, 2016 5:03AM1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Well, while I rot in the Imperial City Prison with the skooma addicts and thieves... I suppose I can get started on my lore history, by reading all these half-burned and melted lorebooks laying about...1 -
NoFlash✭✭✭bad luck brian meme. 5k crowns for a time saverDaggerfall Covenant
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Inklings✭✭✭✭✭KingYogi415 wrote: »#inb4moderation
Yeah its getting to that point. Wish people would chill out or take it to PMs so we could stay focused on the real issue here.2 -
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✭✭Coming from destiny i'm shocked to not see the word scrub all over the forums.1 -
Buffler✭✭✭✭✭
✭Guys the exploit was NOT swapping writs between characters using the banker.
It was using the banker to harvest THE SAME WRIT infinite number of times. The survey only used to disappear when you harvested the first node.....go to the site, nodes are there...move writ into your banker, harvest nodes, remove same writ from banker and the nodes respawned.....rinse and repeat.0 -
Inklings✭✭✭✭✭Guys the exploit was NOT swapping writs between characters using the banker.
It was using the banker to harvest THE SAME WRIT infinite number of times. The survey only used to disappear when you harvested the first node.....go to the site, nodes are there...move writ into your banker, harvest nodes, remove same writ from banker and the nodes respawned.....rinse and repeat.
Youre 100% right the issue was what you said but your failing to understand that the script they used to catch people could not tell the difference between a survey from your inventory that was just used and one that was placed in your banker hireling by another character that put it there a few minutes ago. And so now we have a lot of innocent people caught in the middle.Edited by Inklings on April 30, 2016 5:51AM1 -
Buffler✭✭✭✭✭
✭Guys the exploit was NOT swapping writs between characters using the banker.
It was using the banker to harvest THE SAME WRIT infinite number of times. The survey only used to disappear when you harvested the first node.....go to the site, nodes are there...move writ into your banker, harvest nodes, remove same writ from banker and the nodes respawned.....rinse and repeat.
Youre 100% right the issue was what you said but your failing to notice that the script they used to catch people could not tell the difference between a survey from your inventory that was just used and one that was placed in your banker hireling by another character that put it there a few minutes ago. And so now we have a lot of innocent people caught in the middle.
Lol i think we are following each other around
I agree, i was responding to people claiming the glitch was swapping writs between characters using banker and demanding refunds, when infact it was nothing like that.
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Inklings✭✭✭✭✭Guys the exploit was NOT swapping writs between characters using the banker.
It was using the banker to harvest THE SAME WRIT infinite number of times. The survey only used to disappear when you harvested the first node.....go to the site, nodes are there...move writ into your banker, harvest nodes, remove same writ from banker and the nodes respawned.....rinse and repeat.
Youre 100% right the issue was what you said but your failing to notice that the script they used to catch people could not tell the difference between a survey from your inventory that was just used and one that was placed in your banker hireling by another character that put it there a few minutes ago. And so now we have a lot of innocent people caught in the middle.
Lol i think we are following each other around
I agree, i was responding to people claiming the glitch was swapping writs between characters using banker and demanding refunds, when infact it was nothing like that.
I feel bad for those innocents caught up in it
Hey youre name looks familiar! ^_~ lol I see who youre trying to respond to now, and i thank you for your support.0 -
HebrewHatchet✭✭✭I got a response and it looks like they're sticking to their decision without any investigation. I'll still play occasionally, but no more crowns or subscription for me. It's been a fun year though.[PS4 NA]
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Wolfshead✭✭✭✭That is a fair question. I have to explain how i play a bit first though so bare with me. I have 8 vr16(http://i.imgur.com/7lhvo5a.png) and each character has max professions, and i do all 6 writs on everyone of them daily. I always use my Banker Hireling to store all my survey maps then log to one character who has lots of speed increase and the CP passive to pick up nodes faster. When i get to a survey location that i know i have a double of in my bank i loot the current ones on the ground step away then pull that survey out of my banker hireling and loot it again. Also doing it this way saves me so much time on loading screens. If had actually did the surveys on all the characters that got them instead of just one, i'm looking at about an extra 20 mins in load screens a day hopping around wrothgar.
You save time on loading screens but how can you say that you save that for you still have wait in loading screen to relog with all 8 char you have so i dont see how you save time on for if you stand in orsinium main city with all you char it should be same loading time on loading screens if i understand and no im trolling i just wonder how you can say you save time on loading screens. I understand your think if your other 7 char is not stand in orsinium but other then that i dont see how you cna save time loading screen.If you find yourself alone, riding in green fields with the sun on your face, do not be troubled; for you are in Elysium, and you're already deadWhat we do in life, echoes in eternity0 -
Inklings✭✭✭✭✭That is a fair question. I have to explain how i play a bit first though so bare with me. I have 8 vr16(http://i.imgur.com/7lhvo5a.png) and each character has max professions, and i do all 6 writs on everyone of them daily. I always use my Banker Hireling to store all my survey maps then log to one character who has lots of speed increase and the CP passive to pick up nodes faster. When i get to a survey location that i know i have a double of in my bank i loot the current ones on the ground step away then pull that survey out of my banker hireling and loot it again. Also doing it this way saves me so much time on loading screens. If had actually did the surveys on all the characters that got them instead of just one, i'm looking at about an extra 20 mins in load screens a day hopping around wrothgar.
You save time on loading screens but how can you say that you save that for you still have wait in loading screen to relog with all 8 char you have so i dont see how you save time on for if you stand in orsinium main city with all you char it should be same loading time on loading screens if i understand and no im trolling i just wonder how you can say you save time on loading screens. I understand your think if your other 7 char is not stand in orsinium but other then that i dont see how you cna save time loading screen.
Lets see if i can explain this with out sounding like a crazy person. You have to log to each character anyways to do the writs, so you cant avoid that. But think how surveys are laid out. If one character gets 3 of them and they are all spread out around that map thats 3 load screens. Then another toon has 2 surveys that are far from each other but right next 2 of the ones from the previous character that's 2 load screens saved if you do them on one character, and dont split them up. So when you are doing 8 toons that really starts to add up and being able to do them and doubles on the same toon saves so much time. I hope that makes sense.
Edited by Inklings on April 30, 2016 7:26AM1 -
Brrrofski✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭So I usually do writs then stick them in my bank (actual bank, not hireling), pick them up once or twice a week on one toon and do them. Is that why they're suspending people? I mean, I logged in after maintenance yesterday, so presume it's OK to do that? Is there another step needed to trigger the exploit?Edited by Brrrofski on April 30, 2016 7:58AM0 -
STEVIL✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭I think im just gonna hold off any survey collecting for a patch or two.Proudly skooma free while talks-when-drunk is in mandatory public housing.
YFMV Your Fun May Vary.
First Law of Nerf-o-Dynamics
"The good way I used to get good kills *with good skill* was good but the way others kill me now is bad."1 -
Inklings✭✭✭✭✭So I usually do writs then stick them in my bank (actual bank, not hireling), pick them up once or twice a week on one toon and do them. Is that why they're suspending people? I mean, I logged in after maintenance yesterday, so presume it's OK to do that? Is there another step needed to trigger the exploit?
If you don't have the banker hireling you should be ok. Hopefully ZoS can clear things up better and not be so secretive about this stuff, so people can avoid accidentally getting suspended like so many of us already did.1 -
Buffler✭✭✭✭✭
✭So I usually do writs then stick them in my bank (actual bank, not hireling), pick them up once or twice a week on one toon and do them. Is that why they're suspending people? I mean, I logged in after maintenance yesterday, so presume it's OK to do that? Is there another step needed to trigger the exploit?
I have explained the exploit further up i believe and on various threads. What you are doing is not it and if you logged after fix yesterday then everything is fine.0 -
Sledgemoto✭✭HebrewHatchet wrote: »I got a response and it looks like they're sticking to their decision without any investigation. I'll still play occasionally, but no more crowns or subscription for me. It's been a fun year though.
yep me too I've un-subbed, no more crown spending by me. Hell i don't even own the banker.2 -
lathbury✭✭✭✭✭
✭Ragnaroek93 wrote: »Just to make this sure... they did permaban you for this ***? If that's true I really hope that they will respond on this thread because otherwise I will unsub (even if I'm not affected), because this behaviour is unacceptable. If they aren't 100% sure that a person did use any exploit THEN DON'T *** BAN THEM *head -> keyboard*
I'm not supposed to get into the details about my disciplinary action but i will say i'm not perma banned, THIS TIME. In the past over issues like this, myself and others were, but once they learned they made massive amounts of mistakes they started to lift the bans. This is what bothers most about ZoS. They have done this in the past, and don't seem to learn form it. They have even said they don't use scripts to ban, but i find that hard to believe when massive amounts of people get banned at once and a large majority of them are then found to have done nothing wrong.
So here sit a lot of players in the same boat as me, who most likely wont even have their tickets looked at since its Friday night, and no one will be in the office to deal with this issue until next week. I guess the saving grace this time around is they didn't do it on the day before a major holiday weekend like last time, and they wont be away for an extended weekend. =(
so your saying twice you have been caught up wrongly with a ban doesnt sound very likely.1 -
HxC✭✭✭So I usually do writs then stick them in my bank (actual bank, not hireling), pick them up once or twice a week on one toon and do them. Is that why they're suspending people? I mean, I logged in after maintenance yesterday, so presume it's OK to do that? Is there another step needed to trigger the exploit?
If you don't have the banker hireling you should be ok. Hopefully ZoS can clear things up better and not be so secretive about this stuff, so people can avoid accidentally getting suspended like so many of us already did.
No, you can be banned without purchased the hireling banker. Please add this to OP . When i'll be able to log in i will show proofs of what i'm saying."You call these baubles, well, it is with baubles that men are led… Do you think that you would be able to make men fight by reasoning? Never. That is good only for the scholar in his study. The soldier needs glory, distinctions, rewards." (Napoleon Bonaparte)2 -
Inarre✭✭✭✭✭
✭Is opening a new case with an already earned writ or going to the banker and returning triggering this ban? I dont have the summon banker but now im a little wary of doing my surveys....
It looks like its just with the Banker Hireling, but at this point i would make sure i go out of my way to avoid doing the same survey twice in a row until things are cleared up.
Thanks and for the tag in the other thread. Going to just avoid surveys for a bit. 72 hrs is a long time for scripted bans
they should make sure it applies to only those who own the damn thing. 1 -
AntMan100673✭✭✭I don't have the personal banker and I don't put survey maps in the bank. I do quite often do my writs in the morning while having my breakfast before work so don't have time to collect the mats from any surveys I get. If I get duplicates they stay in the writ reward container in my inventory. At the weekend I'll go and collect from the survey maps, if I have a duplicate I move away from the survey location, open the container with the duplicate in and go back. Would I be risking getting caught up in this and incorrectly banned?EU - EP - Dunmer - Dragonknight - Magicka DPS - CP160
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Caradawc✭✭✭Sledgemoto wrote: »HebrewHatchet wrote: »I got a response and it looks like they're sticking to their decision without any investigation. I'll still play occasionally, but no more crowns or subscription for me. It's been a fun year though.
yep me too I've un-subbed, no more crown spending by me. Hell i don't even own the banker.
How a company deals with situations like this when the innocent get caught up with the cheaters is defining.
For them just to say they are sticking to their guns with no investigation speaks volumes as to how little we all matter to them as customers.
In the grand scheme of things if you've played since launch and have poured hundreds of hours into and fully intend to keep playing well into the future then a suspension for a few days is nothing and easy to deal with in itself. The problem is the damage it does to how you think of the company that runs the game. What's to say the same or worse won't happen in the future, surely you'd be better off cutting your losses and looking for another MMO to fill the void.3
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