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[OUTDATED] The Unholy Herdsman - Thelon's Pet Build
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TARAFRAKA✭✭✭✭✭The passives to Inner Light are only active when you have the bar it is on active.
As a side note, I have been running Twilight Matriarch in pvp lately, and it has been very helpful. She puts a little extra pressure on enemies, hardly ever gets focused down, is useful for healing both myself and others around me, and having it on every bar guarantees I always have an oh crap button for when my shield gets bursted down.
Ok, that's what I figured regarding mage light but I was hoping lol.
And I agree, it seems as long as I can keep up my ward on her and we don't run into an absolute crazy ball zerg, she doesn't go down often and despite having the one second recast time if she dies it's not all that long when I ani cancel the recast honestly.
I was a firm believer that pets were NOT viable in any end game content or build up until the last patch and seeing @thelon solo those 5 veteran dungeons. I am not an expert by any stetch of the imagination so you won't see me soloing ANY time soon but he definitely aspired me to at least work toward it even if the best I can do is 2 manning them.
@thelon
I'll get my clip of CoA posted in here and if got time, I'd love it if you'd tell me what I should/could change. I'll trim it down to under a minute
Edited by TARAFRAKA on March 29, 2016 11:37AM0 -
SmalltalkJava✭✭✭At VR16 here are the health stats for the pets. I am not sure of their resists
Hit Points- Clannfear: 27,266
- Volatile Familiar: 22,022
- Twilight Matriarch and Twilight Tormenter are both: 10,487
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Thelon✭✭✭✭✭
✭Ghanima_Atreides wrote: »Sara the Tri Sara Tops is the best name for a Clannfear I've read.
Haha I got the name from the Triceratops in The Land Before Time
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Thelon✭✭✭✭✭
✭That#s what I'm struggling to get my head round - the move away from Resto staff to dual wield for the 2nd weapon. Basically you're saying that stam weapons are better than a mag one in a magica based build?
So you're not in fact using any of the dual wield weapon abilities - just carrying round for stat purposes. I'll try it, but to me it removes some flexibility from the build in group runs if the healer is up against it.
Having a resto staff on the second bar gives the option of slotting back up heals if things go a bit pear shaped in group runs.
@Rakkul
You're correct that Dual Wield is used for stat purposes (more Spell damage) However, I still recommend carrying a Magnus Resto Staff with you at all times. (See the Sideboard Section) This gives you more flexibility while soloing and allows you to help out your Healer if your group begins to struggle.0 -
Thelon✭✭✭✭✭
✭I think I prefer the stun at the end of the pulse from the familiar since the matriarch is providing the heals
@Caff32
Healz are too important to leave in the hands of a Twilight, which has low health and a range requirement. Sara the TriSaratops is MUCH tankier and will heal you from miles away.0 -
Hey, Thelon. Great build and videos! Is Maw set viable with this build? Is this build viable for PvP?0 -
Waffennacht✭✭✭✭✭
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@Waffennacht What do you mean by "Volkyn etc"? Also would Breton be good if I want to try healing down the line?0
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Waffennacht✭✭✭✭✭
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@Waffennacht lol man I'm just a returning player and thus I don't know this forum slang of yours Btw I didn't thought that this build had a lot of DOTs, which proc Skoria.
Edited by Sir Daniel Fortesque on April 1, 2016 10:50PM0 -
Thelon✭✭✭✭✭
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@TARAFRAKA@Thelon
Also, how's this for my bar setup. This is hindsight but I want to make sure it's optimal as we plan to be 2 manning several times a week in the future.
Bar one: nirnhoned fire staff/precise fire staff depending on situation
Crushing shock
C frag (used only when procced)
Empowered ward (for the pets)
V. Familiar
Twilight (morphed to heal)
Bar two: Precise rest staff
Mage wrath (switched out for my root when needed)
Liquid lightning
Same
Same
Overload Bar
Mage wrath
L. Lightning
E. Ward
Same
Same
I'd love to slot Radiant mage light on my bars for the magicka but I haven't been able to confirm if having it slotted on only one bar makes it active regardless. I don't think it does and since I'm on console, info is limited, as always. I'd appreciate any feedback. I didn't copy your build, kinda made it my own with what my style is but I'd appreciate any suggestions!
This set up looks real good for a 2man spec where you're dishing out healz. You are correct that you'll need Magelight present on the bar to gain Magicka.
You don't need Mages Wrath and Liquid Lightning on both Bar 2 and your Overload bar. Try slotting Streak for extra mobility on difficult fights and I'd recommend having Hardened Ward on your Overload Bar as well so you can easily recast it and continue dishing out good deeps.
Edited by Thelon on April 4, 2016 1:47AM1 -
Thelon✭✭✭✭✭
✭Hey, Thelon. Great build and videos! Is Maw set viable with this build? Is this build viable for PvP?
@AndrewXV
Glad you like the build!
I use the Maw Set for the coolness factor, but it does not compete with Nerien'Eth for DPS or with Engine Guardian for sustain.
This build does not have enough dots to justify the use of Valkyn Skoria over Nerien'Eth for single target situations. For difficult and prolonged AoE fights, Valkyn could prove useful.
I run a completely different setup in PvP, focusing on Overload as opposed to pets. You can check it out here:
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/239336/video-series-ad-goes-small-scale-the-ninja-kitty-gank-squad#latest0 -
Thelon✭✭✭✭✭
✭Waffennacht wrote: »
Nerien'th set and Spawn of Mephala, I believe all do 50% more dps than maw of infernal.
I haven't compared them to a percentage, but I should be clear in that Nerien'Eth is better than Valkyn, Maw of the Infernal and Spawn of Mephala in almost all situations.
Nerien'Eth is at its worst in single target fights where the boss moves around alot. In these scenarios I normally just opt for additional sustain from Engine Guardian.
Valkyn Skoria is at its best in pure AoE fights, but in order to maximise its effectiveness, you need to remove a toggle in order to have room for Elemental Ring, Elemental Blockade and Liquid Lightning.
Spawn of Mephala and Maw of the Infernal are both meh - better than nothing, I suppose.0 -
Thelon✭✭✭✭✭
✭Hey @Dixa
Ive only been on the PTS to try out PvP, but I'll be testing out the pet build there on the weekend.
@Rakkul
I'm honestly not overly concerned about the shield changes. If you watch some of my most difficult solo fights (Valkyn Skoria, Praxin or High Kinlord Rilis) you'll see that i refresh Wards very regularly regardless of the overall duration, as I'm constantly either taking high damage myself or keeping my pets' Wards fresh.2 -
Waffennacht✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Hey thelon,
Have you done any testing? Any comments or changes about your build?0 -
Thelon✭✭✭✭✭
✭I’ve completed a major update for the build. It is now current to patch 2.4.5 (Dark Brotherhood)
Changes include:
– Tweaked the Objective Section for clarity
– Updated Character Stats screenshot
– Added a video guide to the Media Section
– Changed ESOHead to ESO Skills and provided updated info
– Simplified the Race Section
– Updated the Mundus Stone section to better explain the importance of crit chance
– Made minor changes to the Mage champion points distribution
– Updated the Gear Section to provide alternate set-ups based on the availability of a Maelstrom Inferno Staff
– Simplified the Undaunted Mettle Section
– Updated the Sideboard Section to reflect changes made in the Gear Section
– Altered the Skills Section to reflect changes made in the Dark Brotherhood patch
– Updated the Skill Replacement Section to reflect changes made in the Skills Section
– Simplified the Consumables Section
– Updated the Helpful Hints for Solo Play Section to be relevant to the changes made in other SectionsEdited by Thelon on June 6, 2016 8:47PM0 -
IV1IVJA✭✭✭I don't mean to turn this into another magnus vs seducer thread, but just wanted to know your thoughts on your choice here. If my understanding is correct, magnus is better for fast fights, whereas seducer is better for longer ones. When using pets (especially solo), fights tend to take longer. Other than the main difference of the sets, being the 5 piece bonus, there is spell damage on magnus, and magicka regen on seducer. Is this the deciding factor for choosing magnus?0 -
Thelon✭✭✭✭✭
✭I don't mean to turn this into another magnus vs seducer thread, but just wanted to know your thoughts on your choice here. If my understanding is correct, magnus is better for fast fights, whereas seducer is better for longer ones. When using pets (especially solo), fights tend to take longer. Other than the main difference of the sets, being the 5 piece bonus, there is spell damage on magnus, and magicka regen on seducer. Is this the deciding factor for choosing magnus?
@IV1IVJA
Yep, you got it! Seducer would provide more sustain for this build but Magnus has a bit more offence to offer.0 -
Waffennacht✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭@Thelon
I wanted your opinions.
I was testing out what Innerlight provided me: With WoE it added like a total of 90 damage, 1500ish on Proxy, 400ish on LL etc... My point being, with an added 5% damage and then the added max magicka boost, I found the move to raise overall dps around the 1300ish dps range.
My logic is in anticipation of DB, with Proxy det being nerfed (darn near 50% damage in a typical mob scene), example: as is my proxy does roughly 12k against a mob of 5 it deals 18000, or roughly 2100 dps, after update that same attack against a mob of 5 deals roughly 15k or or roughly 1800 dps.
So after update should I drop Proxy and slot innerlight? As proxy will produce SLIGHTLY more dps when facing a mob of 6 or higher, but innerlight will produce higher dps on smaller mobs and bosses.
This completely ignores the damage added to say Overload (approx 2k additional damage)
I would giving up streak on O bar, Proxy det, and a ward on a bar.
Because you are so versed in soloing, what's your opinion? I also noticed you have pretty much done the opposite, dropping bound on the two standard bars for more moves?
I would love some insight!Edited by Waffennacht on June 6, 2016 6:30PM0 -
Thelon✭✭✭✭✭
✭@Waffennacht
Our builds function pretty differently, so it's tough to say what will work best for u. I tend to agree with your assessment that Inner Light will provide a more consistent, passive form of DPS, but proxy could work well with your build in certain situations.
Yes, I had to drop Bound Armor from my build in order to make room for Hardened Ward on my main bar. However, as noted in the Skill Replacement Section, I'll still use it if I need replace a pet.Edited by Thelon on June 6, 2016 8:43PM0 -
Thelon✭✭✭✭✭
✭I've recorded some more vids and I'll be posting them here as they get uploaded! If you have any questions about the build or want to see a particular boss get rekt, just post here and let me know!1 -
Thelon✭✭✭✭✭
✭I've updated the OP to include a demo of how to solo veteran banished cells!
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The_Lex✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭I've recorded some more vids and I'll be posting them here as they get uploaded! If you have any questions about the build or want to see a particular boss get rekt, just post here and let me know!
I'd love to see you run through vMA.
Excellent build, @Thelon! I'm going try it out and see how it feels.
Edited by The_Lex on June 16, 2016 7:33PM0 -
Aspi90✭✭✭The_Patriarch wrote: »I've recorded some more vids and I'll be posting them here as they get uploaded! If you have any questions about the build or want to see a particular boss get rekt, just post here and let me know!
I'd love to see you run through vMA.
Excellent build, @Thelon! I'm going try it out and see how it feels.
This is what I am asking myself. Is it viable for vMA or are the Pets getting one shotted?0
