NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

@Gidorick
Your other comments I just believe are waaay to complicated for what is simple.
Remove VR.
Keep CP
Stop at 50 player level
Keep NPCs at numeric a 49-56.

We just disagree @NewBlacksmurf .

I think this will bore players. Players want progression. CPs are too... tangential and should have been treated as a "buff" system.

I guess time will tell how well people take to being locked at level 50.

Gidorick wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

@Gidorick
Your other comments I just believe are waaay to complicated for what is simple.
Remove VR.
Keep CP
Stop at 50 player level
Keep NPCs at numeric a 49-56.

We just disagree @NewBlacksmurf .

I think this will bore players. Players want progression. CPs are too... tangential and should have been treated as a "buff" system.

I guess time will tell how well people take to being locked at level 50.

Well as is, my idea isn't what's happening.
No one will be locked at 50. Instead they will float in this passive unspecified CP account system which doesn't actually make anyone stronger until they use points but the system rates you on total CP and not used CP. then you deal with choice that using still may not allow you to do content until exceeding CP by 200+ points. It's going to be a very weird situation that I expect a lot more changes to occur

Even if the indicator is changed to used Cp it's a bit weird and pointless cause you're neither 50 or CP and in every log in to an alt or back to a main, you'll need to make CP decisions.

Alina_Scarbridge wrote: »

I've been playing this game for a year. My main is now V12. I thoroughly enjoy the leveling process, exploring the world, and enjoying each stage of the game. I will probably level another character all the way after I get my main to V16. If she can make it before the DB patch.

Am I alone? Does no one else enjoy leveling? Is everyone just in a hurry to get to the top?

I am worried about so many changes being made with this patch, but hopeful that I can adjust and not lose my love for this game. It just seems like it's going to be a lot different.

I loved vet ranks for my main.

I was okay with them for my second v16.

I will be happy to see them gone. I have 2 characters parked in low vet and I am grinding another DC character to 50. I am casually questing with an AD alt and an EP alt since I seemed to have rushed through a lot of quests in those zones with my DC characters -- especially in EP. I barely know what is going on in the EP zones.

I am fine with having to run zones to get sky shards, but I will be happy to be done repeating quests.

Why oh why do players come to a story based pve mmo and complain they have to do quests. What you guys call a "tedious grind" I call having fun playing the game.

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

Why oh why do players come to a story based pve mmo and complain they have to do quests. What you guys call a "tedious grind" I call having fun playing the game.

To be fair.
Many ppl are trying to make this a typical MMORPG.
So if it were one, level gives stat and skill points.
Reach max level, unlock all skills and Passives.


Having played through and following this from 2012 that's not how this would work but that's why.
It's been the whole misinformation of using MMO instead online action RPG.
Sounds the same but this is a TES quest system
A different skill system
Stat system that's partial
And a Vr or CP system unfounded and still being worked on.

Tryxus wrote: »

I like lvling, but I don't like grinding

Honestly, I like the Champ Point System as the replacement as account-wide ranks while detailing your character with the passives/perks. Only thing I don't like about it is making gear CP dependant, but that's a story for another time

Unless something has changed in the past year, CP´s are not really a replacement are they? CP´s you earn account wide, so that by reaching level 50, all your characters have them automatically. There is simply put, no progress for you at level 50, as you already have progressed in the system, with a different character. VR´s were char specific so every character was a new journey, a new progress and never the end. CP´s are the end, as you do them once and for all characters sadly.

Asherons_Call wrote: »

I really don't see the difference between VR and the CP system. People are up in arms about something that will turn out to be a very trivial change.

What's the difference between being VR 16 and being CP 160 ? Nothing

VR´s are your character progress and while I know that the whole account thingy is quite likeable at some parts, it does destroy the actual play with your alt characters, if they have access to something or progressed into something, that they actually didn´t even achieve.

Therefore, it is a big different between a CP progress and a VR progress.

I like to see every character as an individual experience, the shared bank is nice, as it makes sense to trade between your characters, but that a brand new character is some evil vampire slayer, even though he or she never even saw a single one before, makes no sense to me.

The CP system was always a mixed bag for me, as I felt that it takes something from the game, just like Paragon does at D3. I think it would have been better to make account wide cosmetics that we unlock like pets, mounts, motifs or future housing furniture, while still giving every character a unique progress past 50.

VR´s I therefore liked when they were added late in Beta, as they gave us more to do once 50 and it was a character specific progress, slay more and become stronger, so to speak. In my opinion, ZOS should not remove character progress from this game, it´s deadly for every game I played so far. The moment your players stop progressing their characters, is the moment they look for another game.

One of the problems in online games is the mix of players that you have. In the past, an MMO was a journey and it´s players wanted that journey. Over the past 15 years, that journey was combined with shooter elements, with mini games and the as we call it "raid or die" philosophy. We have many different players now, the old school crowds, the raiders and the cosmetic lovers, all want their content and this makes it so hard to design a game these days.
Back at Ultima we had to use a sword to learn fighting, to actually hit the bear and we were fine playing for a month to finally hit a toad. Today, however, every brand new character is the best fighter with sword, bow, axe, hammer and people expect to be the toughest guy in the world, just by creating a character. They no longer want to learn something, no they want to already have the knowledge and this does clash with other gamers.

Interesting is, that if we watch the market, then the old style is coming back slowly, there are MMO´s who really let you start from 0 with a character again and they are played.

I think it would be smart and brave by ZOS, to not let this development go past them. ESO could offer more than raid or die and the item treadmill. Of course, it is now too late to let us learn spells, or how to wield a sword, but maybe from 50 on, the players could learn something new. Maybe a subclass, maybe new paths to explore, someone could become a trader, a treasure hunter or farmer, learn to master the crossbow, fight on horses ... something that is unique to a character and let´s them progress, beyond the level 50 and now raid stuff mentality.

I would love to see something like that and once housing is released, I will be happy to play ESO again to see what the girls and boys have come up with.

I wonder how can a vr1 go to say a vr16 area and quest? I mean you can I guess but you wont make it far. This only gives freedom to people at 160+ who dont want to level alts. The rest of us will get no xp at all from the quests on our alts because they have to dumb down all the vet rank zones so you can go anywhere you want.

Audigy wrote: »

Tryxus wrote: »

I like lvling, but I don't like grinding

Honestly, I like the Champ Point System as the replacement as account-wide ranks while detailing your character with the passives/perks. Only thing I don't like about it is making gear CP dependant, but that's a story for another time

Unless something has changed in the past year, CP´s are not really a replacement are they? CP´s you earn account wide, so that by reaching level 50, all your characters have them automatically. There is simply put, no progress for you at level 50, as you already have progressed in the system, with a different character. VR´s were char specific so every character was a new journey, a new progress and never the end. CP´s are the end, as you do them once and for all characters sadly.

Asherons_Call wrote: »

I really don't see the difference between VR and the CP system. People are up in arms about something that will turn out to be a very trivial change.

What's the difference between being VR 16 and being CP 160 ? Nothing

VR´s are your character progress and while I know that the whole account thingy is quite likeable at some parts, it does destroy the actual play with your alt characters, if they have access to something or progressed into something, that they actually didn´t even achieve.

Therefore, it is a big different between a CP progress and a VR progress.

I like to see every character as an individual experience, the shared bank is nice, as it makes sense to trade between your characters, but that a brand new character is some evil vampire slayer, even though he or she never even saw a single one before, makes no sense to me.

The CP system was always a mixed bag for me, as I felt that it takes something from the game, just like Paragon does at D3. I think it would have been better to make account wide cosmetics that we unlock like pets, mounts, motifs or future housing furniture, while still giving every character a unique progress past 50.

VR´s I therefore liked when they were added late in Beta, as they gave us more to do once 50 and it was a character specific progress, slay more and become stronger, so to speak. In my opinion, ZOS should not remove character progress from this game, it´s deadly for every game I played so far. The moment your players stop progressing their characters, is the moment they look for another game.

One of the problems in online games is the mix of players that you have. In the past, an MMO was a journey and it´s players wanted that journey. Over the past 15 years, that journey was combined with shooter elements, with mini games and the as we call it "raid or die" philosophy. We have many different players now, the old school crowds, the raiders and the cosmetic lovers, all want their content and this makes it so hard to design a game these days.
Back at Ultima we had to use a sword to learn fighting, to actually hit the bear and we were fine playing for a month to finally hit a toad. Today, however, every brand new character is the best fighter with sword, bow, axe, hammer and people expect to be the toughest guy in the world, just by creating a character. They no longer want to learn something, no they want to already have the knowledge and this does clash with other gamers.

Interesting is, that if we watch the market, then the old style is coming back slowly, there are MMO´s who really let you start from 0 with a character again and they are played.

I think it would be smart and brave by ZOS, to not let this development go past them. ESO could offer more than raid or die and the item treadmill. Of course, it is now too late to let us learn spells, or how to wield a sword, but maybe from 50 on, the players could learn something new. Maybe a subclass, maybe new paths to explore, someone could become a trader, a treasure hunter or farmer, learn to master the crossbow, fight on horses ... something that is unique to a character and let´s them progress, beyond the level 50 and now raid stuff mentality.

I would love to see something like that and once housing is released, I will be happy to play ESO again to see what the girls and boys have come up with.

Agreed and well said.

I think the market is indeed coming around to back what MMORPG's used to be. Questing, Leveling, and actually building a character. I think (I hope at least) development companies are finally realizing that catering to the smaller, PvP oriented crowds is having detrimental effects on their games and player populations. The further you take an MMORPG away from the core of what an MMORPG is, the less people will hang around for it.

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

I wonder how can a vr1 go to say a vr16 area and quest? I mean you can I guess but you wont make it far. This only gives freedom to people at 160+ who dont want to level alts. The rest of us will get no xp at all from the quests on our alts because they have to dumb down all the vet rank zones so you can go anywhere you want.

You get the same experience from quests now since all quests are at your level, 50. You do lose xp from mobs once you reach a certain amt of CP though. Mobs are CP level, Quests are Character Level.

No your still level 50. Log in to the PTS if you don't believe me. Do a quest that you have on a Veteran character, then do the same quest on PTS with the same character and tell me the results you get.

Enraged_Tiki_Torch wrote: »

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

I wonder how can a vr1 go to say a vr16 area and quest? I mean you can I guess but you wont make it far. This only gives freedom to people at 160+ who dont want to level alts. The rest of us will get no xp at all from the quests on our alts because they have to dumb down all the vet rank zones so you can go anywhere you want.

You get the same experience from quests now since all quests are at your level, 50. You do lose xp from mobs once you reach a certain amt of CP though. Mobs are CP level, Quests are Character Level.

Im not talking about quests. Im talking about mob kills. The quest XP is miniscule compared to what you get from killing the mobs on the way, during and on the way back from quest objectives.