Combat Prayer: What do you think of its buffs?

UltimaJoe777 · April 2016

So Blessing of Protection is the only instaheal in the Restoration Staff Skill Line (Mutagen's instaheal doesn't count because you have to be near death to eat it lol) and the morph Combat Prayer gives minor damage buff in addition to the physical and spell resistance buffs the base form grants to anyone hit by it. But is this enough? Should they be major instead or would that make it OP? Feel free to discuss.

Dorrow · April 2016

It's fine as is. Giving it Major Buffs would make it OP

It's enough, but would be awesome if it lasts for longer (like 15s).

Panth141 · April 2016

It's fine as is. Giving it Major Buffs would make it OP

I think it's fine - but not because major buffs would make it OP - most decently designed builds already get the major buffs by themselves, and it's foolish to drop them with the assumption that your healer will perfectly drop the rectangular area on you every 8 seconds.

The strength of Combat Prayer is that it applies uncommon buffs, supplementing the major buffs you would already have.

As @Dorrow said, an increased duration wouldn't hurt.

lolo_01b16_ESO · April 2016

It's fine as is. Giving it Major Buffs would make it OP

Panth141 wrote: »

I think it's fine - but not because major buffs would make it OP - most decently designed builds already get the major buffs by themselves, and it's foolish to drop them with the assumption that your healer will perfectly drop the rectangular area on you every 8 seconds.

The strength of Combat Prayer is that it applies uncommon buffs, supplementing the major buffs you would already have.

As @Dorrow said, an increased duration wouldn't hurt.

I think combat prayer is strong enough, but why do you think people wouldn't need the major buff? I only know one single way to get the major berserk buff and that is by using the synergy of the storm atronarch ultimate.

TheDarkShadow · April 2016

It's fine as is. Giving it Major Buffs would make it OP

If I need to save someone on the line of death, I'll use Healing Ward. The shield is very good even at 50% and extremely powerful under 25%. Then your HoTs will do the rest of the work. I never use Blessing of Protection nor Combat Prayer for the burst heal, at least when healing as Templar (of course, they have their own burst heal), NB or Sorc. The only class I didn't play as heal is DK. Why? Because I mostly run pug and they never stand in your Blessing of Protection or Combat Prayer range. They run around, they stand behind, they are alllll the way on the other side of the room, they are everywhere. When heal as NB, I swap Assassin's Will out and use Combat Prayer for the damage buff instead. Yep, I use it as a damage buff, mostly for me, and for whoever I can reach at that moment. The heal is just an extra.

Panth141 · April 2016

It's fine as is. Giving it Major Buffs would make it OP

lolo_01b16_ESO wrote: »

Panth141 wrote: »

I think it's fine - but not because major buffs would make it OP - most decently designed builds already get the major buffs by themselves, and it's foolish to drop them with the assumption that your healer will perfectly drop the rectangular area on you every 8 seconds.

The strength of Combat Prayer is that it applies uncommon buffs, supplementing the major buffs you would already have.

As @Dorrow said, an increased duration wouldn't hurt.

I think combat prayer is strong enough, but why do you think people wouldn't need the major buff? I only know one single way to get the major berserk buff and that is by using the synergy of the storm atronarch ultimate.

Sorry - I was referring to the major resistance buffs exclusively in terms of self-application Major berserk would make this skill an absolute must have for any healer, and 100% uptime on it would become the aim. A 25% buff to damage would be rather OP - good groups are already burning through bosses at an obscene rate - given that berserk is a flat damage buff they would literally do so 25% faster, which pushes already silly damage to ridiculous.

RAGUNAnoOne · April 2016

It's fine as is. Giving it Major Buffs would make it OP

Are you kidding here!? if anything the other morph should give major ward and resolve or a HOT to make it viable. But major brutality for 8 seconds on a move with no AOE caps are you out of your mind!? even reapers mark and storm atro don'thave this much time

Valrien · April 2016

RAGUNAnoOne wrote: »

Are you kidding here!? if anything the other morph should give major ward and resolve or a HOT to make it viable. But major brutality for 8 seconds on a move with no AOE caps are you out of your mind!? even reapers mark and storm atro don'thave this much time

Major Ward and Resolve is already quite useless since there are already so many other sources for it. Give it a different buff :P

Oreyn_Bearclaw · April 2016

It's fine as is. Giving it Major Buffs would make it OP

Combat Prayer is perhaps the best skill in a healers arsenal. Any healer not running combat prayer better have a darn good reason. The only change I would want from Combat Prayer is a buff to the duration. It's a touch short IMO. While it is not a bad heal, the reason to run combat prayer is for the Minor Berserk. Unless you have 2 NBs as DPS (should have Minor Berserk from Grim Focus and morphs 100% of the time), this should be on every healers bar to buff combat damage. It also does a pretty good job of acting as a burst heal if you need it. If you actual reapply this on cooldown, you will be surprised how much less you have to heal in other ways.

I think it would actually be worse if it gave major buffs. Every class already has a good way of giving themselves Major Ward and Major Resolve. NBs get it from shadow passive, Sorcs get it from boundless storm, Templars get it from their Rune, and DKs get it from Spiked Armor. Spiked Armor is probably only going to be run by a tank, but the other three are going to be active in most scenarios. Since they dont stack, I like that the healer is able to give the Minor Buff as well.

RAGUNAnoOne · April 2016

It's fine as is. Giving it Major Buffs would make it OP

Valrien wrote: »

RAGUNAnoOne wrote: »

Are you kidding here!? if anything the other morph should give major ward and resolve or a HOT to make it viable. But major brutality for 8 seconds on a move with no AOE caps are you out of your mind!? even reapers mark and storm atro don'thave this much time

Major Ward and Resolve is already quite useless since there are already so many other sources for it. Give it a different buff :P

@Valrien true perhaps minor expidition to help the team to not stand in stupid?

Dromede · April 2016

It's fine as is. Giving it Major Buffs would make it OP

The 4th option gave me a nervous laugh. I think that's how you tell an ok healer from a great one. Makes me so sad that most random healera i played with don't even have this skill unlocked. Just like Harness Magicka - seriously, someone needs to tell new healers about that skill!

UltimaJoe777 · April 2016

Dromede wrote: »

The 4th option gave me a nervous laugh. I think that's how you tell an ok healer from a great one. Makes me so sad that most random healera i played with don't even have this skill unlocked. Just like Harness Magicka - seriously, someone needs to tell new healers about that skill!

If a healer has good enough sustain to keep Magicka plentiful I can see why they'd frown upon Harness Magicka.

Mettaricana · April 2016

Major buff is too much plus it would override abilities like crit surge, momentum, and molten arms. Which also give major. Now if we swapped it to empower or something you can stack it and being a healer offering more support options as a buffer.

idk · April 2016

It's fine as is. Giving it Major Buffs would make it OP

Restoration staff heals are fine as they are. Very much used in trials.

Instant heal is healing ward which might be the strongest single target heal on the game when it hits a low health target.

Combat prayer is just fine as it is. A require raid buff but doesn't need to be buffed.

I've healed on 3 of the 4 classes without issue.

Lightninvash · April 2016

Screw the buffs, buff the healing!

it should instead give a shield to all the people in the path of it that stacks up to 5x so that it heals and adds a shield as well.

swirve · April 2016

Combat Prayer? You mean someone actually USES it?!

RAGUNAnoOne wrote: »

Valrien wrote: »

RAGUNAnoOne wrote: »

Are you kidding here!? if anything the other morph should give major ward and resolve or a HOT to make it viable. But major brutality for 8 seconds on a move with no AOE caps are you out of your mind!? even reapers mark and storm atro don'thave this much time

Major Ward and Resolve is already quite useless since there are already so many other sources for it. Give it a different buff :P

@Valrien true perhaps minor expidition to help the team to not stand in stupid?

You cant fix stupid, but you can always send them to the blues where they will feel at home.

Leandor · April 2016

At all those comparing Combat Prayer to things like Rally:

Minor Berserk =/= Major Brutality.

Berserk adjusts tooltip damage directly. Brutality adjusts weapon damage.

That said, Major Berserk added to Combat Prayer is totally out of proportion. There is a reason that it's a buff very difficult to obtain. Two sources only, one being the storm atronach, only one of the morphs. It needs to be synergized, which can be done only once and ensures it is not a self buff. The other source is Reaper's Mark, which provides it to the nightblade itself, but only after a target that has the mark is killed.

It is the most powerful damage buff in game. Having a spammable ability provide it at least as stupid as creating a set that chainkills opponents just because they group up. Oh, wait...

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