Shuffle exploit!!!!

Van_0S · April 2016

Please fix this exploit, ZoS!!
Currently its OP in PvE and PvP, especially in IC. The player is unkillable and if this left un-fixed then with the changes to DB (posion making) will make stamina users very powerful.

Please fix this ASAP!!!
Its currently unplayable in IC. I play only in the evenings and the only way to kill these exploiters is when I have a group of 20 and zerg that single player, which is not possible in IC because no large groups are there any longer.

dtm_samuraib16_ESO · April 2016

Erm, "shuffle exploit"?
What is that? O_O

Zyle · April 2016

ZOS has investigated the issue and found nothing wrong with Shuffle. You will need to provide evidence of said exploit/bug in a way that can be replicated for ZOS to confirm.

Van_0S · April 2016

Zyle wrote: »

ZOS has investigated the issue and found nothing wrong with Shuffle. You will need to provide evidence of said exploit/bug in a way that can be replicated for ZOS to confirm.

Damn!! Please some one upload the bug/exploit!
This will just destroy this game.
Edit:
Currently, I have to buy some good tech to upload this exploit but I don't have it, right now!!!

mb10 · April 2016

what exploit? putting it on your bar and using it?

theres a 20% chance you will miss so in that case there is a possible chance that NONE of your attacks will hit that person. Very rare i know but its possible there is no obligation for an attack to hit when shuffle is up.

Unless im missing the point here and theres something going on...? any proof?

TequilaFire · April 2016

Experience this myself they are getting much more than 20% chance.
But no I can't prove it except watch dodge or miss over and over from the same player in a row.

edit - tried to make this happen for me using shuffle no dice.

TX12001rwb17_ESO · April 2016

The ability can apparently stack about 4 times so u get an 80% dodge rate or something.

dtm_samuraib16_ESO · April 2016

So, again, just what is this shuffle bug?
Anyone, please elaborate?

Van_0S · April 2016

mb10 wrote: »

what exploit? putting it on your bar and using it?

theres a 20% chance you will miss so in that case there is a possible chance that NONE of your attacks will hit that person. Very rare i know but its possible there is no obligation for an attack to hit when shuffle is up.

Unless im missing the point here and theres something going on...? any proof?

My friend there is a way/trick to get 100% dodge chance.

I faced an opponent today in the IC sewers and that enemy player was dodging all my attacks as well my other 2 players of my faction.

Lastly, another player came (my faction) and transformed into WW and couldn't even scratch him.

Sadly the WW got knockout, horribly with a WB by the same enemy player.

Sharee · April 2016

TequilaFire wrote: »

Experience this myself they are getting much more than 20% chance.
But no I can't prove it except watch dodge or miss over and over from the same player in a row.

It is entirely possible for a player to evade over and over in a row even if he only has a legit 20% evade chance.

Somehow people still think that if someone has a 20% evade chance then he must get hit 8 times out of every 10 tries. That's not how probability works tho.

Van_0S · April 2016

You guys go to IC and play their for a while and then you will experience some players using shuffle exploit.

rfennell_ESO · April 2016

mb10 wrote: »

what exploit? putting it on your bar and using it?

theres a 20% chance you will miss so in that case there is a possible chance that NONE of your attacks will hit that person. Very rare i know but its possible there is no obligation for an attack to hit when shuffle is up.

Unless im missing the point here and theres something going on...? any proof?

There is proof, but it will mod deleted.

All you need to do is make a US EP or AD toon and wait for a certain grouping of DC to show up and watch the dodges lol.

I can tell you it makes all the difference... saw a guy that was the actual blocked out all caps and curses maniac I posted recently, and he's sort of not very good... but now, he's a dodge machine that doesn't dodge roll much. Now.. he's a ganker with team dodge. Last week he was a scrub raging at me in whispers... Now he's solo fighting groups of 10 (admittedly, mostly around a tree).

Literally.. a guy who can't handle a single nightblade in the sewers (with 2 of his friends, mind you)... is now a ganker taking on groups. It's just so exploited...

leepalmer95 · April 2016

YurtTheSilentChief wrote: »

You guys go to IC and play their for a while and then you will experience some players using shuffle exploit.

By dodging was the guy actually dodging?

Shuffle may have proc'd then the guy may have actually dodged your next skills.

Zyle · April 2016

dtm_samuraib16_ESO wrote: »

So, again, just what is this shuffle bug?
Anyone, please elaborate?

It's hear-say at the moment. I've seen people claim they've tested it on video yet never upload a video, I've seen people claim it has an 80% stack-able dodge rate but again no evidence to substantiate that claim. The one that I've seen that I'm most willing to believe is when dodge, you dodge all other attacks until the "dodge animation" is complete (similar to the 1/4 second or so following a dodge roll). So in a group of multiple people attacking one person, the group will feel like said shuffle user is dodging way more than they should simply because the frequency of attacks has increased and the group feels that should increase the chance of said player getting hit.

Ultimately ZOS has investigated it and was not able to replicate or find any issue with it. I don't exactly have the most confidence in their internal replicated tests but we at least need to provide them with substantial evidence (video) of our claims before they're gonna be able to do anything.

BFT88 · April 2016

You people are outrageous. Open your eyes for gods sake. We have the same guy on Trueflame on EP that camps the DC sewer entrance with this exploit. Are you telling me 15+ people missed ALL of their attacks because of a TWENTY PERCENT chance to dodge? Seriously, if you guys haven't fought these exploiters, don't bother posting with your invalid input anymore. PS, I have this skill on my Stam DK and I can get 80% dodge using shuffle. GG.

Van_0S · April 2016

rfennell_ESO wrote: »

mb10 wrote: »

what exploit? putting it on your bar and using it?

theres a 20% chance you will miss so in that case there is a possible chance that NONE of your attacks will hit that person. Very rare i know but its possible there is no obligation for an attack to hit when shuffle is up.

Unless im missing the point here and theres something going on...? any proof?

There is proof, but it will mod deleted.

All you need to do is make a US EP or AD toon and wait for a certain grouping of DC to show up and watch the dodges lol.

I can tell you it makes all the difference... saw a guy that was the actual blocked out all caps and curses maniac I posted recently, and he's sort of not very good... but now, he's a dodge machine that doesn't dodge roll much. Now.. he's a ganker with team dodge. Last week he was a scrub raging at me in whispers... Now he's solo fighting groups of 10 (admittedly, mostly around a tree).

Literally.. a guy who can't handle a single nightblade in the sewers (with 2 of his friends, mind you)... is now a ganker taking on groups. It's just so exploited...

I hope you know this is not a L2P issue this is a serious matter!

Zyle · April 2016

BFT88 wrote: »

You people are outrageous. Open your eyes for gods sake. We have the same guy on Trueflame on EP that camps the DC sewer entrance with this exploit. Are you telling me 15+ people missed ALL of their attacks because of a TWENTY PERCENT chance to dodge? Seriously, if you guys haven't fought these exploiters, don't bother posting with your invalid input anymore. PS, I have this skill on my Stam DK and I can get 80% dodge using shuffle. GG.

That's fantastic information, if it were on video. That's the point here, if it's such a huge issue and it's incredibly rampant, then why are videos so rare? ZOS isn't going to be able to do anything without evidence...

If you had posted a video then you would have had valid input but instead you posted more hear-say and ultimately: invalid input.

Van_0S · April 2016

leepalmer95 wrote: »

YurtTheSilentChief wrote: »

You guys go to IC and play their for a while and then you will experience some players using shuffle exploit.

By dodging was the guy actually dodging?

Shuffle may have proc'd then the guy may have actually dodged your next skills.

No he wasn't dodge rolling at all and my attacks don't even scratch him ( I used my jabs on him and he wasn't even getting a scratch by the WW got his HP a down but he used some kinda combo like rally, vigor and shuffle all instant that is animation canceling )

leepalmer95 · April 2016

BFT88 wrote: »

You people are outrageous. Open your eyes for gods sake. We have the same guy on Trueflame on EP that camps the DC sewer entrance with this exploit. Are you telling me 15+ people missed ALL of their attacks because of a TWENTY PERCENT chance to dodge? Seriously, if you guys haven't fought these exploiters, don't bother posting with your invalid input anymore. PS, I have this skill on my Stam DK and I can get 80% dodge using shuffle. GG.

Or the guy dodge rolled when 15+ players shot at him.

Either put up video proof or stop spreading false information.

susmitds · April 2016

YurtTheSilentChief wrote: »

You guys go to IC and play their for a while and then you will experience some players using shuffle exploit.

Next time, I go to IC, I will dodge any attack you make and I will do it without Shuffle. It is called skill and reaction times. Get better, and stop crying. Combine shuffle and actual dodge rolls and you will dodge most attacks. But only shuffle will just get you killed.
FYI, you still dodge attacks about 0.7 after the roll animation ends. With crusader set bonus, you can extend this to 1 sec. This is most probably what your enemies are doing. (If you are in PC NA Haderus and not AD, those enemies may include me as well.)

Edit: And yeah, forgot to mention, NB Cloaks will auto miss any projectiles for the first second, basically giving you 100% dodge against most ranged spells and attacks.

Van_0S · April 2016

susmitds wrote: »

YurtTheSilentChief wrote: »

You guys go to IC and play their for a while and then you will experience some players using shuffle exploit.

Next time, I go to IC, I will dodge any attack you make and I will do it without Shuffle. It is called skill and reaction times. Get better, and stop crying. Combine shuffle and actual dodge rolls and you will dodge most attacks. But only shuffle will just get you killed.
FYI, you still dodge attacks about 0.7 after the roll animation ends. With crusader set bonus, you can extend this to 1 sec. This is most probably what your enemies are doing. (If you are in PC NA Haderus and not AD, those enemies may include me as well.)

Damn! You guys!!
Fine, make a joke out of it and happy exploiting!!!!

khele23eb17_ESO · April 2016

Im yet to see a video of this.

olsborg · April 2016

Just another reason for the zerglings to decide the player that killed them 1x10+ was cheating so they can go about their bliss..

Junkogen · April 2016

There must be some way that we can blame this on cloak....

Nightblades probably need to be nerfed again. This only proves that shuffle can only be used while cloaking and therefore Nightblades should be removed from the game until further notice.

Test my deductive logic. It is sound and you are wrong.

Nerf or nothing.

susmitds · April 2016

khele23eb17_ESO wrote: »

Im yet to see a video of this.

Some magicka fans are jealous of stamina builds' mobility and this is how they are trying to express it.

Van_0S · April 2016

Junkogen wrote: »

There must be some way that we can blame this on cloak....

Nightblades probably need to be nerfed again. This only proves that shuffle can only be used while cloaking and therefore Nightblades should be removed from the game until further notice.

Test my deductive logic. It is sound and you are wrong.

Nerf or nothing.

That enemy player was a DK and didn't even use stealth potion or be in stealth, just waiting for us to come.
I came to him by using my toppling charge in stealth twice and he never got knock backed at all.

Tryxus · April 2016

Sunburnt_Penguin · April 2016

Too many complaints: not any video proof

susmitds · April 2016

YurtTheSilentChief wrote: »

Junkogen wrote: »

There must be some way that we can blame this on cloak....

Nightblades probably need to be nerfed again. This only proves that shuffle can only be used while cloaking and therefore Nightblades should be removed from the game until further notice.

Test my deductive logic. It is sound and you are wrong.

Nerf or nothing.

That enemy player was a DK.

I just wanna ask, nobody from your 15 man group had any kind of CC or proxy det? I can see dozens of ways to stop still dodge build.
Fear, root spam, ambush spam, lotus fan spam, or simply all 15 of you could spam some kind of AoE or something.

RedRoomGaming · April 2016

I have missed several people because of this. I would say it's a 93.7% chance you will miss. Or it could be because I DIDNT AIM PROPERLY!!!!

Van_0S · April 2016

susmitds wrote: »

YurtTheSilentChief wrote: »

Junkogen wrote: »

There must be some way that we can blame this on cloak....

Nightblades probably need to be nerfed again. This only proves that shuffle can only be used while cloaking and therefore Nightblades should be removed from the game until further notice.

Test my deductive logic. It is sound and you are wrong.

Nerf or nothing.

That enemy player was a DK.

I just wanna ask, nobody from your 15 man group had any kind of CC or proxy det? I can see dozens of ways to stop still dodge build.
Fear, root spam, ambush spam, lotus fan spam, or simply all 15 of you could spam some kind of AoE or something.

This was in IC not in cyrodiil.
I was going solo and some other players as well in my faction( only 3 players vs 1 DK shuffle exploiter)