Crafting Bag Exclusivity

Mojmir · April 2016

Crafting Bags should stay ESO+ only. It should not be available for purchase from the Crown Store. (I am an ESO+ member)

clocksstoppe wrote: »

Mojmir wrote: »

clocksstoppe wrote: »

So most are happy with the community splitting between subs and nonsubs, which will hate eachother?

What a nice *** about to start

you posted a biased poll, admitted you have a vendetta, and then threw in those terms in your opening statement. sounds like you already have some "baggage". but oh well,enjoy!!!

I'm not the OP. I have no idea what you're talking about. And there's nothing biased about the poll, my side isn't even winning lmao.

sorry, phone issues

Thornen · April 2016

Other

Other because these straw polls have 0 impact on Zos's decisions anyway.

TX12001rwb17_ESO · April 2016

Crafting Bags should stay ESO+ only. It should not be available for purchase from the Crown Store. (I am an ESO+ member)

You get what you pay for monthly...and what are you paying monthly? nothing then you will get nothing.

Keep_Door · April 2016

Other

I dont care at all.

Agobi · April 2016

Crafting Bags should remain freely accessible to ESO+ members, but also be put up for sale on the Crown Store. Similar to DLC.

I don't care about the "fairness" of it...but limiting something that people have been begging for for years,something that will solve imo one of the biggest issues with this game, to a select few......its just a bad idea.

They could sell tons of these in the store,and make the entire playerbase happier,with just one move....but I don't expect it to happen...its Zos after all

Refuse2GrowUp · April 2016

Crafting Bags should stay ESO+ only. It should not be available for purchase from the Crown Store. (I am an ESO+ member)

Way to create an extremely biased poll. Why are your first options caveated (made up word?) with "I am an ESO+ Member"?

Why can one not feel that those who subscribe deserve some sort of perks and not be a subscriber themselves? Furthermore, why is it wrong for a company to offer perks to give incentive for subscriptions? Last I checked they are a business, and as such are responsible to investors and therefore must care about profits earned.

@Doncellius Stop with the whiney, entitled BS. If you are going to create a poll, then create one that isn't biased and is therefore an honest poll.

As for your comment...

Doncellius wrote: »

"since you would be crazy to sub after purchasing Crowns/DLC already)

...DLCs come out every three months. Your past purchasing habits have no bearing on your future ones. If getting access to the DLCs free is your only incentive for subbing, then nothing changes since you will get access to future ones via your sub, and get the crafting bag.

Grow the f up!

Mojmir · April 2016

Crafting Bags should stay ESO+ only. It should not be available for purchase from the Crown Store. (I am an ESO+ member)

Refuse2GrowUp wrote: »

Way to create an extremely biased poll. Why are your first options caveated (made up word?) with "I am an ESO+ Member"?

Why can one not feel that those who subscribe deserve some sort of perks and not be a subscriber themselves? Furthermore, why is it wrong for a company to offer perks to give incentive for subscriptions? Last I checked they are a business, and as such are responsible to investors and therefore must care about profits earned.

@Doncellius Stop with the whiney, entitled BS. If you are going to create a poll, then create one that isn't biased and is therefore an honest poll.

As for your comment...

Doncellius wrote: »

"since you would be crazy to sub after purchasing Crowns/DLC already)

...DLCs come out every three months. Your past purchasing habits have no bearing on your future ones. If getting access to the DLCs free is your only incentive for subbing, then nothing changes since you will get access to future ones via your sub, and get the crafting bag.

Grow the f up!

QFT

Agobi · April 2016

Crafting Bags should remain freely accessible to ESO+ members, but also be put up for sale on the Crown Store. Similar to DLC.

Refuse2GrowUp wrote: »

Grow the f up!

Yea,I laughed...sue me

Tommy1979AtWar · April 2016

Crafting Bags should remain freely accessible to ESO+ members, but also be put up for sale on the Crown Store. Similar to DLC.

Refuse2GrowUp wrote: »

Grow the f up!

Not debating or disagreeing with the former part of your comment but the latter made me lol given your forum name.
+1 for irony!!

Farorin · April 2016

Crafting Bags should stay ESO+ only. It should not be available for purchase from the Crown Store. (I am not an ESO+ member)

I currently have an active subscription that I have cancelled, I spend more time without an active subscription than with one, so I chose the option that said I am not a subscriber... I am kind of a half, sometimes, maybe subscriber?? I subscribe for whena DLC drops, then use the crown I got mixed with leftover crowns from when the game went buy to play to buy the DLC....

Okay, enough about my status of subscription.

It should stay subbers only, because people need incentive to subscribe, if you can buy it, what would stop someone from buying it then never spending another cent again? ZOS needs more income, so they can make more content, so we can get a better more awesome version of ESO.

I for one will change from an almost sometimes subber, to an almost most of the time one if it remains subscribers only. To be a full time subber again (like back when it was sub to play), I would need more incentive though.

Refuse2GrowUp · April 2016

Crafting Bags should stay ESO+ only. It should not be available for purchase from the Crown Store. (I am an ESO+ member)

Lol, I just saw this in someone else's reply...

"The results of this poll will determine just how out of touch/elitist "sub vs non-sub" these forums are compared to the actual in-game playerbase. Judging from the vMA completion poll, my guess is the first option will be the most popular. We shall see

"

Guess it was part of the OP and you edited it out @Doncellius. So, having a grown-up understanding of business and a real world expectation that a company must earn profits makes gamers elitist? Can't help but sit in awe at the forums and the ignorance and entitlement of some posters.

But, just for arguments sake, lets say players agree with you that crafting bags should be put up for sale in the crown store, and ZOS lists them for 5k tel var stones, or more. I can only imagine you would then whine they are too expensive and call ZOS greedy and call out anyone who pays for it as an elitist pay-to-win expletive.

Vaoh · April 2016

Crafting Bags should remain freely accessible to ESO+ members, but also be put up for sale on the Crown Store. Similar to DLC.

Refuse2GrowUp wrote: »

Way to create an extremely biased poll. Why are your first options caveated (made up word?) with "I am an ESO+ Member"?

Why can one not feel that those who subscribe deserve some sort of perks and not be a subscriber themselves? Furthermore, why is it wrong for a company to offer perks to give incentive for subscriptions? Last I checked they are a business, and as such are responsible to investors and therefore must care about profits earned.

@Doncellius Stop with the whiney, entitled BS. If you are going to create a poll, then create one that isn't biased and is therefore an honest poll.

As for your comment...

Doncellius wrote: »

"since you would be crazy to sub after purchasing Crowns/DLC already)

...DLCs come out every three months. Your past purchasing habits have no bearing on your future ones. If getting access to the DLCs free is your only incentive for subbing, then nothing changes since you will get access to future ones via your sub, and get the crafting bag.

Grow the f up!

Out of everything you critique from my opinions, you choose probably the only two things that most can agree on.

The poll is not biased. Do you even know what that word means? Biased would be like:
Option 1: Keep ESO+ only. You're a stupid [insult]
Option 2: Put on Crown Store. You are smart and not like the [insult] people who picked the first option.

If I purchased all three DLCs, and have plenty of purchased Crowns (since this is how I support/enjoy ESO rather than subbing like the vast majority of players) why would I spend $15 a month now for more convenient organization? Sounds pretty crazy to me.

Note: The choice right below the first one (#2) is for Non-Sub players. Not sure why you randomly picked out the first option without taking into account the second.

Destruent · April 2016

Crafting Bags should stay ESO+ only. It should not be available for purchase from the Crown Store. (I am an ESO+ member)

This will be the only thing worth subscription for those who play the game since release.
Atm you get:
- XP (don't need it with capped CP)
- extra inspiration (don't need it with a maxed out crafter char)
- extra gold (ok, but you don't find that much gold in the world...so it's a nice bonus but nothing to subscribe for)
- access to DLC (after subscribing for a while you have enough crowns to just buy those DLCs you want)

Crafting bags offer a nice service for subscribers but do not screw up anything for non-subscribers. You don't have them atm, and it is possible to manage the inventory.

thx ZOS, i'm really looking forward to it

Gargath · April 2016

Crafting Bags should stay ESO+ only. It should not be available for purchase from the Crown Store. (I am not an ESO+ member)

All ZOS ideas about the bags are fine with me, but I won't be "participating in bags issue", so just I'd like to suport the ESO+ members in their struggle to get something only for them

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Darkstorne · April 2016

Crafting Bags should remain freely accessible to ESO+ members, but also be put up for sale on the Crown Store. Similar to DLC.

I am a subscriber, but this is still a huge f*** you to the playerbase who purchases DLC separately. Some of these players have already spent over ten thousand Crowns on DLC making subscribing worthless to them. They've still spent a huge amount of money on the game though, so shouldn't be treated as second-class citizens. Content like this should be available to both types of paying customers - either subscribe, or buy on the Crown store.

Want to make subscriptions more appealing? Raise the EXP rate. 10% is pretty tame by most MMO sub standards (Wildstar has a 25% EXP boost, and SWTOR has previously had 1200% EXP event boosts for subscribers). And the more expansion packs that get added, the more appealing subscriptions become to new players (rather than buying everything separately), especially since auto-levelled areas make all expansions viable at any level, rather than being superseded by each other as with most MMOs. It won't be long before we're choosing to level alts across Wrothgar, Hew's Bane, and the Gold Coast. The thought of adding locations like Vvardenfell, Solstheim, and Balfiera to that list is very exciting

The main takeaway here is that you created an alternate payment method for this game that many players are now pretty much committed to due to past purchases. You can't retract previous statements about not locking them out of content without losing a lot of goodwill. Making this a sub-only benefit instead of also being available on the Crown store benefits no-one. All this achieves is upsetting paying customers.

Vaoh · April 2016

Crafting Bags should remain freely accessible to ESO+ members, but also be put up for sale on the Crown Store. Similar to DLC.

Destruent wrote: »

This will be the only thing worth subscription for those who play the game since release.
Atm you get:
- XP (don't need it with capped CP)
- extra inspiration (don't need it with a maxed out crafter char)
- extra gold (ok, but you don't find that much gold in the world...so it's a nice bonus but nothing to subscribe for)
- access to DLC (after subscribing for a while you have enough crowns to just buy those DLCs you want)

Crafting bags offer a nice service for subscribers but do not screw up anything for non-subscribers. You don't have them atm, and it is possible to manage the inventory.

thx ZOS, i'm really looking forward to it

Totally fair opinion.

I just think it's worth pointing out that that bolded part... is exactly why the forum population and the in-game population will always be incredibly different.

Refuse2GrowUp · April 2016

Crafting Bags should stay ESO+ only. It should not be available for purchase from the Crown Store. (I am an ESO+ member)

Agobi wrote: »

Refuse2GrowUp wrote: »

Grow the f up!

Yea,I laughed...sue me

Tommy1979AtWar wrote: »

Refuse2GrowUp wrote: »

Grow the f up!

@Agobi @Tommy1979AtWar

Not debating or disagreeing with the former part of your comment but the latter made me lol given your forum name.
+1 for irony!!

Lol, the irony isn't lost on me. I am now in my mid-30s and still playing video games. The gamertag was registered when PS3 first came online, and has been my gamertag ever since. And, quite unfortunately, it is an accurate representation of myself.

Yet even an over grown child like myself understands business and the value of marketing and sustained income. No whiney, entitled BS from this guy.

None-the-less, you both get an' awesome' from me for the LoLs and good times

Saturn · April 2016

Crafting Bags should stay ESO+ only. It should not be available for purchase from the Crown Store. (I am an ESO+ member)

This is a convenience item that subscribers to the game should only get, simply because it will increase the value of being subscribed, which means more people will do it = more money for zenimax to continue keeping this amazing game alive.

I have been subscribed to the game ever since it came out and honestly with the amount of time I have spent playing the game there is almost no reason why I shouldn't be subscribed. Why people are so apprehensive about it, is really strange, it isn't very expensive in my opinion if ESO is a game you play every week. You are basically just paying for crowns every x months and then getting free access to expansions plus buffs to xp and gold. Having this special feature on top of that, means that more people will think subscribing is a good idea.
Sidenote: to me it feels like people who aren't subscribed are usually spending more money on the game buying crown store items than actual subscribers.

We have known for a long time that this would be a feature limited only to subscribers, I guess most people are just realising that now looking at the forum posts.

mariskaas · April 2016

Crafting Bags should stay ESO+ only. It should not be available for purchase from the Crown Store. (I am not an ESO+ member)

I think it should be eso+. I would subscribe if i had money to throw at the game monthly, I don't at the moment but might in the future. For now I sometimes buy DLC when the crowns are on sale. But subscribing should have some advantage, yeah it has the xp increase and stuff but it is not enough for many people to get a sub for. So yeah it will give them more subs, a more steady money income and thus more ways to keep improving the game. I understand the argument that you already bought DLC and find it a waste to subscribe after that. But think about it a different way, you will get for 15?$ dollars unlimited crafting space and 1500 crowns/month to buy random stuff. If you don't want to, fine. But yeah subscribing should give something really good. This is it. Not necessary, but very nice.

Vaoh · April 2016

Crafting Bags should remain freely accessible to ESO+ members, but also be put up for sale on the Crown Store. Similar to DLC.

Refuse2GrowUp wrote: »

Lol, I just saw this in someone else's reply...

"The results of this poll will determine just how out of touch/elitist "sub vs non-sub" these forums are compared to the actual in-game playerbase. Judging from the vMA completion poll, my guess is the first option will be the most popular. We shall see "

Guess it was part of the OP and you edited it out @Doncellius. So, having a grown-up understanding of business and a real world expectation that a company must earn profits makes gamers elitist? Can't help but sit in awe at the forums and the ignorance and entitlement of some posters.

But, just for arguments sake, lets say players agree with you that crafting bags should be put up for sale in the crown store, and ZOS lists them for 5k tel var stones, or more. I can only imagine you would then whine they are too expensive and call ZOS greedy and call out anyone who pays for it as an elitist pay-to-win expletive.

Edited what out? I usually only edit for spelling mistakes since it is more difficult to see typos when typing from an iPhone.

Sorry to ruin your entire point, but you should go to the first page. It's one of the first comments

EDIT: You're awefully eager to shoot me down for some reason. Smh. You named yourself after advice you need to take for yourself. You could have easily answered the unbiased poll and stated your opinion. Instead, you attack me as much as you can, without even reading through previous comments.

Destruent · April 2016

Crafting Bags should stay ESO+ only. It should not be available for purchase from the Crown Store. (I am an ESO+ member)

Doncellius wrote: »

Destruent wrote: »

This will be the only thing worth subscription for those who play the game since release.
Atm you get:
- XP (don't need it with capped CP)
- extra inspiration (don't need it with a maxed out crafter char)
- extra gold (ok, but you don't find that much gold in the world...so it's a nice bonus but nothing to subscribe for)
- access to DLC (after subscribing for a while you have enough crowns to just buy those DLCs you want)

Crafting bags offer a nice service for subscribers but do not screw up anything for non-subscribers. You don't have them atm, and it is possible to manage the inventory.

thx ZOS, i'm really looking forward to it

Totally fair opinion.

I just think it's worth pointing out that that bolded part... is exactly why the forum population and the in-game population will always be incredibly different.

Sure, but they added something, which will be usefull for all subscribers and will be usefull even if you reach CP-Cap, bought everything in crown-store and whatever you may think of. It's something they get reliable, monthly money for. A good decission imo. Everything else can be bought once and what's afterwards? ZOS needs money in the future and this is a great decission to get it.

Hallothiel · April 2016

Crafting Bags should remain freely accessible to ESO+ members, but also be put up for sale on the Crown Store. Similar to DLC.

As I posted on a similar thread, for varying reasons (financial, geographical) not everyone can sub but can buy through the crown store - so why make something wanted by a lot of players available only to a few?
Not a good move & already showing how devisive it can be.

Also would be interested as to how many console players sub as they already have to pay a sub to play online.

Cernow · April 2016

Other

This should be implemented as a core feature of the game, as it should have been since launch.

ESO has a truly terrible inventory management system. It's a little better now than it was at launch, thanks to moving trophies to collections, but it's still a complete mess. Easily one of the worst inventory systems in any MMO.

So, instead of fixing the problem for all, to sell a partial fix as a subscriber feature is very poor form.

I totally get that the game needs funds and the more subscribers the better. But this is not the way. Do not use bad game design as a stick to beat people into subscribing.

In all the excitement over this feature, people seem to be overlooking the future problems when they decide they want to unsub and lose the bag. What will happen to the contents? Deleted? Moved to the bank with overflow to mail? Have fun with the inventory hell caused by that. I guess the plan is to lock as many players as they can into crafting bags and keep them locked in via fear of the consequences of unsubbing. Rather a sad and desperate way to run a game.

Flaminir · April 2016

Crafting Bags should stay ESO+ only. It should not be available for purchase from the Crown Store. (I am an ESO+ member)

Point 1.... your poll is badly written and exceptionally biased... you want a genuine response to support your argument make it more neutral.

Point 2..... Everybody is so blinkered into their arguements about what they want to support their own preffered pay-style that they haven't analysed WHY ZoS is doing it this way. It's nothing to do with being able to give ZoS money via a one off microtransaction in the crown store. It's HOW ZoS gets the money thats important here...

Microtrasactions are neither consistent nor forecast-able. ZoS needs a forecast-able & reliable revenue stream (Via Subs) to be able to talk to shareholders etc about future development etc.

Many people will have dropped subs when the game went B2P.... they need to get more people back on a regular pay plan so they can demonstrate the project has future sustainability to the money men and keep the development going.

That's why this is sub only, and why it will likely stay that way.

Vaoh · April 2016

Crafting Bags should remain freely accessible to ESO+ members, but also be put up for sale on the Crown Store. Similar to DLC.

Destruent wrote: »

Doncellius wrote: »

Destruent wrote: »

This will be the only thing worth subscription for those who play the game since release.
Atm you get:
- XP (don't need it with capped CP)
- extra inspiration (don't need it with a maxed out crafter char)
- extra gold (ok, but you don't find that much gold in the world...so it's a nice bonus but nothing to subscribe for)
- access to DLC (after subscribing for a while you have enough crowns to just buy those DLCs you want)

Crafting bags offer a nice service for subscribers but do not screw up anything for non-subscribers. You don't have them atm, and it is possible to manage the inventory.

thx ZOS, i'm really looking forward to it

Totally fair opinion.

I just think it's worth pointing out that that bolded part... is exactly why the forum population and the in-game population will always be incredibly different.

Sure, but they added something, which will be usefull for all subscribers and will be usefull even if you reach CP-Cap, bought everything in crown-store and whatever you may think of. It's something they get reliable, monthly money for. A good decission imo. Everything else can be bought once and what's afterwards? ZOS needs money in the future and this is a great decission to get it.

Unfortunately, if Crafting Bags had been introduced at Console launch (or a bit afterward), the reception would've been much more positive to be only ESO+. People have already invested money toward DLC now. Not sure that ZOS will earn nearly as much profit as they will resentment from players for purposely waiting.

Destruent · April 2016

Crafting Bags should stay ESO+ only. It should not be available for purchase from the Crown Store. (I am an ESO+ member)

Doncellius wrote: »

Destruent wrote: »

Doncellius wrote: »

Destruent wrote: »

This will be the only thing worth subscription for those who play the game since release.
Atm you get:
- XP (don't need it with capped CP)
- extra inspiration (don't need it with a maxed out crafter char)
- extra gold (ok, but you don't find that much gold in the world...so it's a nice bonus but nothing to subscribe for)
- access to DLC (after subscribing for a while you have enough crowns to just buy those DLCs you want)

Crafting bags offer a nice service for subscribers but do not screw up anything for non-subscribers. You don't have them atm, and it is possible to manage the inventory.

thx ZOS, i'm really looking forward to it

Totally fair opinion.

I just think it's worth pointing out that that bolded part... is exactly why the forum population and the in-game population will always be incredibly different.

Sure, but they added something, which will be usefull for all subscribers and will be usefull even if you reach CP-Cap, bought everything in crown-store and whatever you may think of. It's something they get reliable, monthly money for. A good decission imo. Everything else can be bought once and what's afterwards? ZOS needs money in the future and this is a great decission to get it.

Unfortunately, if Crafting Bags had been introduced at Console launch (or a bit afterward), the reception would've been much more positive to be only ESO+. People have already invested money toward DLC now. Not sure that ZOS will earn nearly as much profit as they will resentment from players for purposely waiting.

Sure, but again...there is NO reason to subscribe atm. I would have unsubscribed this month without this. And i'm definitely not the only one in my guilds. Some already have and /i think) will subscribe again for those crafting bags. I have enough crowns for all DLCs i want to play, so why should we (the one who are subscribed for ~1 year now) subscribe even longer?

Vaoh · April 2016

Crafting Bags should remain freely accessible to ESO+ members, but also be put up for sale on the Crown Store. Similar to DLC.

Flaminir wrote: »

Point 1.... your poll is badly written and exceptionally biased... you want a genuine response to support your argument make it more neutral.

Point 2..... It's nothing to do with being able to give ZoS money via a one off microtransaction in the crown store. It's HOW ZoS gets the money thats important here...

Microtrasactions are neither consistent nor forecast-able. ZoS neds a forecast-able & reliable revenue stream (Via Subs) to be able to talk to shareholders etc about future development etc.

Many people will have dropped subs when the game went B2P.... they need to get more people back on a regular pay plan so they can demonstrate the project has future sustainability to the money men and keep the development going.

That's why this is sub only, and why it will likely stay that way.

Poll isn't biased. Perhaps you dislike how I separated (in a 100% impartial way) Subs and Non-Subs for supporting the current plan? You don't have to like my own (popular in-game rather than forums) opinion.

A Crafting Bag doesn't get people thinking "Wow, ZOS really did it! I'm sooooo paying $15 a month now despite that I already paid for multiple DLCs full price! Love these guys!"

People get frustrated that such a long-time, highly requested feature is being placed behind a Sub fee. Not happy. Only the minority of Subs are happy, and even many of them can see the unfairness despite it benefitting them.

Lysette · April 2016

Crafting Bags should remain freely accessible to ESO+ members, but also be put up for sale on the Crown Store. Similar to DLC.

I am a subscriber and will get this bag for free. As much as I can understand those, who say, that an exclusive advantage for ESO+ would make the subscription more valuable, this crafting bag is maybe not the perfect item for that purpose, because it is a rather huge advantage. I predict as well that some might try to sub for a month, fill this bag with as much materials as they possibly can and then unsub and just withdraw from this sack, which I think isn't fair either.

So basically IMO it should be available on the crown shop as well. If people feel forced to sub to get the bag and have bought DLCs in the past, they will have this bad feeling to have wasted crowns on the DLC content. And this leads just to a behavior of subscribing for a month to fill this bag, then use it unsubscribed until it is nearly empty, and then sub for a month again and stuff that bag with new materials. I think this would leave a bad taste behind, for both, ZOS and players.

When it comes to a reasonable price, I would suggest 1500-2000 crowns. Players, who would buy this bag would still buy the DLC content, so this should not be unreasonably overpriced. And it would avoid the bad feeling, those would have who bought all DLC content so far, to basically have to subscribe to get the bag and with it their investment into DLCs is basically lost. I myself have bought Orsinium and IC - so I have basically wasted crowns on this content, because I am a subscriber now.

So my overall suggestion is - have the bag available on the crown store as a limited time summer sale for 1500-2000 crowns, to give people who have bought DLCs the opportunity to stay with their choice to buying DLC content. It's a compromise, if the bag is just available form DB DLC release until the next DLC will be out, but later the bag should be exclusive for ESO+ members after this sale. With this solution, those who have bought DLC content before, can stay with their choice of concept and their investment into DLC content would not feel lost. New players, joining after this limited time sale, do not have this problem, because they did not invest into DLC content yet.

IMO this would be a good compromise.

Vaoh · April 2016

Crafting Bags should remain freely accessible to ESO+ members, but also be put up for sale on the Crown Store. Similar to DLC.

Destruent wrote: »

Doncellius wrote: »

Destruent wrote: »

Doncellius wrote: »

Destruent wrote: »

This will be the only thing worth subscription for those who play the game since release.
Atm you get:
- XP (don't need it with capped CP)
- extra inspiration (don't need it with a maxed out crafter char)
- extra gold (ok, but you don't find that much gold in the world...so it's a nice bonus but nothing to subscribe for)
- access to DLC (after subscribing for a while you have enough crowns to just buy those DLCs you want)

Crafting bags offer a nice service for subscribers but do not screw up anything for non-subscribers. You don't have them atm, and it is possible to manage the inventory.

thx ZOS, i'm really looking forward to it

Totally fair opinion.

I just think it's worth pointing out that that bolded part... is exactly why the forum population and the in-game population will always be incredibly different.

Sure, but they added something, which will be usefull for all subscribers and will be usefull even if you reach CP-Cap, bought everything in crown-store and whatever you may think of. It's something they get reliable, monthly money for. A good decission imo. Everything else can be bought once and what's afterwards? ZOS needs money in the future and this is a great decission to get it.

Unfortunately, if Crafting Bags had been introduced at Console launch (or a bit afterward), the reception would've been much more positive to be only ESO+. People have already invested money toward DLC now. Not sure that ZOS will earn nearly as much profit as they will resentment from players for purposely waiting.

Sure, but again...there is NO reason to subscribe atm. I would have unsubscribed this month without this. And i'm definitely not the only one in my guilds. Some already have and /i think) will subscribe again for those crafting bags. I have enough crowns for all DLCs i want to play, so why should we (the one who are subscribed for ~1 year now) subscribe even longer?

More should definitely be provided for ESO+ members. It is the specific feature they chose that causes issues. Could've been a mount/costume/pet. Even bonuses to gold/exp. Exclusive items and such. Plenty that could/should be done for Subs.

Refuse2GrowUp · April 2016

Crafting Bags should stay ESO+ only. It should not be available for purchase from the Crown Store. (I am an ESO+ member)

Doncellius wrote: »

Refuse2GrowUp wrote: »

Lol, I just saw this in someone else's reply...

"The results of this poll will determine just how out of touch/elitist "sub vs non-sub" these forums are compared to the actual in-game playerbase. Judging from the vMA completion poll, my guess is the first option will be the most popular. We shall see "

Guess it was part of the OP and you edited it out @Doncellius. So, having a grown-up understanding of business and a real world expectation that a company must earn profits makes gamers elitist? Can't help but sit in awe at the forums and the ignorance and entitlement of some posters.

But, just for arguments sake, lets say players agree with you that crafting bags should be put up for sale in the crown store, and ZOS lists them for 5k tel var stones, or more. I can only imagine you would then whine they are too expensive and call ZOS greedy and call out anyone who pays for it as an elitist pay-to-win expletive.

Edited what out? I usually only edit for spelling mistakes since it is more difficult to see typos when typing from an iPhone.

Sorry to ruin your entire point, but you should go to the first page. It's one of the first comments

EDIT: You're awefully eager to shoot me down for some reason. Smh. You named yourself after advice you need to take for yourself. You could have easily answered the unbiased poll and stated your opinion. Instead, you attack me as much as you can, without even reading through previous comments.

Fair enough, I see it is a reply in a lower post. Forgive me for not reading thru all of your BS. It is an ignorant post. Guess I am programmed to overlook non-sense.

As for your claim that your poll is unbiased... If it were unbiased, you would not have the caveat in the first couple options that "I am an ESO+ Member". This implies that only a subscriber would agree with this. In reality, I am sure most mature adults agree with it, even if not subscribers; if not agree with it or like it, then certainly understand it. ZOS is a company and they must make money. There is nothing wrong with offering subs a quality perk, and in MMOs it is hard to offer perks that do not fringe upon P2W; crafting bags are a reasonable offer to subs.

Look, I agree that inventory management in this game is a nightmare. The tendency for ZOS to make sets BoP in recent DLCs has certainly compounded the problem since we are now forced to horde as we never know when sets will get buffed or nerfed and, because the RNG rates in this game are atrocious, we cannot be assured we can replace said sets in a reasonable time-frame. The devs really need to do something about the BoP system and inventory management as a whole. As is, most players are forced to create mules, but those of use that actively play all our characters cannot rely on mules. I am forced to create a guild just to use as a personal bank for an extra 500 slots. Who knows, maybe keeping inventory space small and the prevalence of mules is part of their stragety to sell new character slots. I agree that inventory management needs to be addressed, and even that it would be nice for crafting bags to be available to all.

However, your polled is biased, and as such, I completely disregarded any relevance it may have. There are more tactful ways to discuss issues. Furthermore, you claims that anyone who sides one way is an elitist that is out of touch with the gaming community is absurd and completely skews you as someone incapable of a rational thought or grown-up discussion.