Well... the "100 CP gear", "150 CP gear"... is different with the current gear, cause CP is account shared. It only take a week to level a new character to level 50, and then you can use all the gear your "vet" characters are using. I think it's a huge different from farming a month every time you create a new character.

There needs to be some kind of progression in place. It's not even as though CP's are character bound.

Having everything given to you at level 50 and having no sense of progression at all makes zero sense. I'm sorry but no to this idea.

This is something that is easier said than done.
Consider that, while vet ranks are being removed, the materials for vet level gear is still in place and there needs to be some sort of way to filter those materials. You could remove all those materials but that creates its own set of problems.

If all gear is scaled to 50 as you suggest, then what exactly would be the difference between a robe make of Ironweed or one made of Ancestor Silk? The stats should be identical since there is no longer gear tiers past Level 50

If those materials are removed, then the Rift, Reaper's March, Bangkorei and Coldharbour becomes a battleground for crafting nodes because Ebon would be the top tier crafting material and those are the only locations to acquire those materials, UNLESS they make all crafting nodes in previously vet locations become Ebon as well, which would crash the economy for materials as the over abundance of these materials would make them worthless to sale. On the same thread, low level mats would skyrocket in pricing due to them only appearing within the lower level zones of that player's faction and alts characters or new people to the game would have a harder time crafting stuff for themselves without some absurd price tag attached as most people would hoard these materials to sale for top $$$.

Frawr wrote: »

...Please scale all gear to level 50 and be done with it.

Please avoid '100 CP gear', '150 CP gear', '200 CP gear' etc. This creates exactly the same issue as with the current gear; we want to mix certain sets but we can't because we weaken ourselves by doing so.

Please just make all sets equal level (and without stupid traits - e.g. training on max level gear ?!) and allow us to pick and choose what we wish to use.

Ultimately, giving us more choice will keep us playing for longer, where as continually forcing us to change to new gear with each DLC is more likely to make people think 'sod it, pointless to change because they'll do it again in 3 months'.

Thanks

this is what they are doing v16 gear will be 160cp gear for progression purposes.

Frawr wrote: »

...Please scale all gear to level 50 and be done with it.

Please avoid '100 CP gear', '150 CP gear', '200 CP gear' etc. This creates exactly the same issue as with the current gear; we want to mix certain sets but we can't because we weaken ourselves by doing so.

Please just make all sets equal level (and without stupid traits - e.g. training on max level gear ?!) and allow us to pick and choose what we wish to use.

Ultimately, giving us more choice will keep us playing for longer, where as continually forcing us to change to new gear with each DLC is more likely to make people think 'sod it, pointless to change because they'll do it again in 3 months'.

Thanks

I don't thing it possible for ZOS to implement that your asking for.The game is heavily tied to lvls. So, CP is their only option.

But hey, look at the bright side. Atleast all our toons will be able equip high rating gear with CP even though they are at very low lvl

As far as they've said so far, it's going to be a straight conversion, vet->cp. Which makes sense as a first step.

Removing vet levels has a lot of potential for bugs, glitches, and unforseen abuses. So it's a good idea to change nothing else at the same time, else they risk adding even more scaling problems.

After the dust settles though, it would be nice if they allowed sets to be crafted at whichever cp tier you wanted. Like how you can make iron level 2,4,6, etc, let you make the lower tier set you like at cp 20, 50, or 160.

jcasini222ub17_ESO wrote: »

Idk this player would like soulshine to scale to Krogmaks max cp level. However, I don't think that will happen. I think it'll be locked into whatever cp tier (v8-v10 I think) that lines up with the new system. Would love to see some of the sub vr sets scale to max cp level but I doubt that will be the case.

Currently I have zero interest in any new set, my sole interest is in what sets will be brought up to par through the new system.

Always thought the crafting blacksmith/woodworker/clothing should have been much harder to level up (but not exculsionary so 1-40 gives you everything like we have now but 41-50 get ready for that grind) with level 50 characters having the ability to bring up gear to max vr, max cp. Choices are.cool in a mmo.

@jcasini222ub17_ESO

exactly this.

The Soulshine set will end up being tied to '100 CP gear level' and still be just as useless as it currently is for a V16.

I would like all sets to be equal level so that I can use any of them. Then I can simply pvp or pve to pick up the gear that I want at any one time.

Removing Vet ranks is great because it saves us having to grind through them, however, if they slap these gear CP levels on top then those gear sets continue to be pointless.

clayandaudrey_ESO wrote: »

But the way he phrased it was there would be nothing but lvl 50 gear. How is that walking forward.

Progress is not progress simply by being forced to grind new gear. That is bad and lazy game design.

They have hours and hours and hours of storylines for players to play through. AT some point, they get to the end of that (whether through finishing or through burning out) and, at that point, many often want a slightly more sandbox experience. This can be easily achieved by giving us a load of toys, all of equal strength, and we can spend time finding different blends to come up with our own play style.

Or, at your suggestion, we can do 1 storyline and pick up 1 gear set, wait 3 months, do a new storyline and pick up a new gear set, wait 3 months, pick up... you get the idea.


By all means introduce new storylines and themepark rides, but, don't close the old ones in the process!

MacCait wrote: »

Without any progression to this game, I can see myself become bored and find a new game... I imagine many others would do the same. Its all very well removing this and that, but unless ZOS puts in some kind of system that still offers progression and something to work towards... the game is done

per the comment above, grinding new gear every 3 months, repeating the same content themepark rides, is not progress.

Progress is new raids, new dungeons, new storylines, new gear sets and variety of activities.

Progress is having lots of options and mixing & matching to find the preferred combination, which changes as the game changes.

Progress is not 'force everyone to use X or Y set for the next 3 months'

That is not going to happen and you know it OP...

Making everything level 50 wont work. You need higher levels of gear because you need higher levels of armor and enchants to cope with the advancement through the CP ranks. So then you'll either have to stack all CP into offensive areas to kill things quicker than they hit through your amount of armor and resistance or stacking into defensive areas just to stay alive long enough to see the end of the fight. Imagine trying to get through vMA with level 50 gear fighting max level NPCs. I'm sure vMoL would go very well if everyone was stuck at level 50 gear and getting half shot by the "trash mobs".

Oh, why don't they just make level 50 better? Because every time they raise max CP you then have to re-balance the entire gear system 3-50 until there's only one point separating gear levels. Keeping gear levels tied into CP ranks is the only thing that makes sense short and long term for progression in game.

Eshelmen wrote: »

Frawr wrote: »

...Please scale all gear to level 50 and be done with it.

Please avoid '100 CP gear', '150 CP gear', '200 CP gear' etc. This creates exactly the same issue as with the current gear; we want to mix certain sets but we can't because we weaken ourselves by doing so.

Please just make all sets equal level (and without stupid traits - e.g. training on max level gear ?!) and allow us to pick and choose what we wish to use.

Ultimately, giving us more choice will keep us playing for longer, where as continually forcing us to change to new gear with each DLC is more likely to make people think 'sod it, pointless to change because they'll do it again in 3 months'.

Thanks

How is making gear levels through CP limiting you with choices?

If anything, all the old sets from VR 12, 14 and even 15 levels will be good again, as they'll probably drop to your current CP LEVEL, OR be able to be crafted to your current CP level, rendering them actually useful again.

I'm pretty sure this opens up more options/choices than the opposite.
Sooooo...... yeah.

No, that is not necessarily what is going to happen with VR12 and VR14 sets. ZOS hasn't clarified anything, but some people are speculating that the old sets will top out at "CP 120" or "CP 140" and will still suck compared to the (current) max level sets which will be "CP 160".

Frawr wrote: »

...Please scale all gear to level 50 and be done with it.

Please avoid '100 CP gear', '150 CP gear', '200 CP gear' etc. This creates exactly the same issue as with the current gear; we want to mix certain sets but we can't because we weaken ourselves by doing so.

Please just make all sets equal level (and without stupid traits - e.g. training on max level gear ?!) and allow us to pick and choose what we wish to use.

Ultimately, giving us more choice will keep us playing for longer, where as continually forcing us to change to new gear with each DLC is more likely to make people think 'sod it, pointless to change because they'll do it again in 3 months'.

Thanks

What they need to do is simple.

Say 400CP to wear a set say Morkuldin, stats are to make it easy.

100 damage
1k stamina
1k damage
Sword do 50k damage

Base stats based on CP 400.

At rank 450 the stats increase by 5%

Rank 500 the stats increase by another 5%

And so on and so forth

So the sweatiest players remain the meta and no longer would we have to craft new gear everytime a new increase in cp cap comes along. That's it.

Delete veteran ranks so people stop complaining about their gold gear being useless.
Add a champion point gear system to make all gear eventually useless.

The more we can ruin what people work hard for the better!