mistermutiny89 wrote: »

There'd be no need for this once text chat comes to consoles or if ZoS allowed a LFG section of the forums like Destiny (pity about the lack of content) and Warframe (shame about the leveling system). Luckily most of Craglorn is soloable on high dps self healing characters above vet 14. Unfortunately you have those pesky main missions that need extra people to open the doors.

Sorry but have you actually completed the Craglorn delves?
The quests there require a min of 4 players and it's phased just like a dungeon....how does text chat help if no one is in the zone seeking content that's not at level?

Cogo wrote: »

WHY on earth would they take away the few really cool and challenging content in ESO?

The only reason why some players fail, is because of previous nerfs......people dont learn-to-play.

Would adding these to a grouping tool make them less difficult?

Just asking cause my hope was to make these more relevant due to no scaling done in Crag but the DB announcements for changes and VR removal

The delves aren't enough of a challenge to be included. Most/all can be done solo.

DSA/vDSA meet the challenge requirement, but they can take quite a bit of time to complete. This could be an issue, especially for PUGs. It would be a pain to have group members leaving because of the time constraints.

There are very few delves in craglorn that you can't solo at this point. Only a handful would actually require a group so I see little point in adding them to the group finder.

Normal DSA isn't all that difficult and I can see it in group finder. You would have to be blood crazed insane to try vDSA in group finder though.

Oh no, Crag delves can be done solo... with a few exceptions like Zalgaz Den and Serpent's Nest. Some bosses and quests do need multiple players, but not always 4 ppl.

They should really make the entire zone scale like Wrothgar/Hew's Bane

Tryxus wrote: »

Oh no, Crag delves can be done solo... with a few exceptions like Zalgaz Den and Serpent's Nest. Some bosses and quests do need multiple players, but not always 4 ppl.

They should really make the entire zone scale like Wrothgar/Hew's Bane

All of them have quests tho

Tryxus wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Tryxus wrote: »

Oh no, Crag delves can be done solo... with a few exceptions like Zalgaz Den and Serpent's Nest. Some bosses and quests do need multiple players, but not always 4 ppl.

They should really make the entire zone scale like Wrothgar/Hew's Bane

All of them have quests tho

Not all of them, like Zalgaz Den

Some quests do require you to visit the delves, but many of the bosses in there can be done solo

Have you completed all the quests for the achievements in Craglorn?

Tryxus wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Tryxus wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Tryxus wrote: »

Oh no, Crag delves can be done solo... with a few exceptions like Zalgaz Den and Serpent's Nest. Some bosses and quests do need multiple players, but not always 4 ppl.

They should really make the entire zone scale like Wrothgar/Hew's Bane

All of them have quests tho

Not all of them, like Zalgaz Den

Some quests do require you to visit the delves, but many of the bosses in there can be done solo

Have you completed all the quests for the achievements in Craglorn?

From Quest tab: all but Gray Pilgrimage
From Exploration tab: everything

What character level, class and build as well as CP did you start and finish these completely solo because I'm 100% sure it's impossible to complete the zone without others. It may not be 4 always but the delve which have quests from NPCs out in the open that are tied to 2-4 player required quests.

The point of the thread is for a player doing content to be able to find a group to complete the parts "most" that are group content. Just because some people can solo it at VR16 which killing stuff solo isn't completing it as the quests require others and the delves....the zone starts at VR10 which it's not all solo-able at VR10-11 or 12

Do u have the achievement for the entire zone?

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Tryxus wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Tryxus wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Tryxus wrote: »

Oh no, Crag delves can be done solo... with a few exceptions like Zalgaz Den and Serpent's Nest. Some bosses and quests do need multiple players, but not always 4 ppl.

They should really make the entire zone scale like Wrothgar/Hew's Bane

All of them have quests tho

Not all of them, like Zalgaz Den

Some quests do require you to visit the delves, but many of the bosses in there can be done solo

Have you completed all the quests for the achievements in Craglorn?

From Quest tab: all but Gray Pilgrimage
From Exploration tab: everything

What character level, class and build as well as CP did you start and finish these completely solo because I'm 100% sure it's impossible to complete the zone without others. It may not be 4 always but the delve which have quests from NPCs out in the open that are tied to 2-4 player required quests.

The point of the thread is for a player doing content to be able to find a group to complete the parts "most" that are group content. Just because some people can solo it at VR16 which killing stuff solo isn't completing it as the quests require others and the delves....the zone starts at VR10 which it's not all solo-able at VR10-11 or 12

Do u have the achievement for the entire zone?

It is indeed impossible to beat the zone solo:

- Certain Dungeon bosses are too powerful
- Same goes for certain story and quest bosses
- Certain quests like the one in Spellscar require multiple people to activate smth in order to progress

But a lot of things in Crag can be done solo. An example: I've beaten the Exalted Viper back on NA (last year) solo with a V14 Sorc with about 120 CP. And a lot of dungeons like Buried Sands and Tombs of the Na-Totambu.

Now, a feature to find extra players to help you through the stuff that's too hard would be great, but it's best if it's:

- Zone related: noticeboard, NPC who can queue you,... in the main city (Belkarth)
- The zone gets scaled first as well: to take away the ability to solo things so that more ppl could use that feature.

Would also be great for future Adventure Zones, like Murkmire

I think a part of what delves in general are supposed to do is get people out into the world to explore, even the delves in Craglorn. Placing delves in the group finder might not have a positive effect on that purpose in general. Having them listed really kind of kills the discovery part, so I wouldn't recommend it.

As for DSA, I believe the Normal version in the group finder would be ok, but the Veteran version should be tuned for Premade groups with good coordination/communication.

A Normal version in the group finder could easily be used as an ad hoc practice mode, I guess, but there really does need to a "next level" of gameplay for people who aspire to those sorts of things. vDSA should not be placed in the group finder to preserve its current challenge level.

Without having it remain at least somewhat exclusive to groups of relatively organized people, it would end up being broken down over time to accommodate for the fact that non-organized groups (unpredictable compositions) would be attempting to complete it. That's not going to have a positive impact on the customers who are seeking more challenging content.

I would recommend only having the Normal version of DSA in the group finder while leaving vDSA as it is, if not increasing the difficulty a tad bit.

Silver_Strider wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Tryxus wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Tryxus wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Tryxus wrote: »

Oh no, Crag delves can be done solo... with a few exceptions like Zalgaz Den and Serpent's Nest. Some bosses and quests do need multiple players, but not always 4 ppl.

They should really make the entire zone scale like Wrothgar/Hew's Bane

All of them have quests tho

Not all of them, like Zalgaz Den

Some quests do require you to visit the delves, but many of the bosses in there can be done solo

Have you completed all the quests for the achievements in Craglorn?

From Quest tab: all but Gray Pilgrimage
From Exploration tab: everything

What character level, class and build as well as CP did you start and finish these completely solo because I'm 100% sure it's impossible to complete the zone without others. It may not be 4 always but the delve which have quests from NPCs out in the open that are tied to 2-4 player required quests.

The point of the thread is for a player doing content to be able to find a group to complete the parts "most" that are group content. Just because some people can solo it at VR16 which killing stuff solo isn't completing it as the quests require others and the delves....the zone starts at VR10 which it's not all solo-able at VR10-11 or 12

Do u have the achievement for the entire zone?

There are only about 5 quests in Craglorn that would require a team to successfully complete.
Spellscar is 1 that does require a group
I believe either Shada's Tears or Skyreach Catacombs requires a group. I don't remember which though but I do recall some puzzle that requires 2 people to press blocks at a similar time to one another somewhere in one of these location might be wrong though. Bare minimum you need 2 people to do it.
2 of the Main Quests in Lower Craglorn require a group
The Gray Passage quest doesn't require a group per sa but it really helps since you're on a time limit and sometimes requires killing bosses and their adds which might be a little tricky alone, depending on your build.

Let's keep this in context to at level tho.
I have a vr16 with almost 400 CPs used and a lot is solo-able but I still can't complete most of the quests without others by design.

I still don't get how the craglorn delves are 4 man when the "boss" fights don't have any kind of mechanic.

Ra'Shtar wrote: »

I still don't get how the craglorn delves are 4 man when the "boss" fights don't have any kind of mechanic.

So Craglorn is VR11-12 basically as far as delves without CPs
At the time this released there were only 6 vet dungeons and they were thought of like this (debate able order):

Tier 1: (V1-5)
The Banished Cell
Spindlecluth
Fungal Grotto

Tier 2: (V6-10)
Wayrest Sewers
Darkshade Caverns
Elden Hollow

So prior to a lot of changes, the Craglorn delve boss fights were similar. Remeber Craglorn hasn't changed much since launch in 2014. They are limited to 4 group members but I wouldn't say to kill the NPCs you have to have 4. Some...yeah but 3 ppl usually worked. Quest are a diff story so the quests and phases...u basically wanted there to be 4 ppl so u don't have to stop.

Ra'Shtar wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Ra'Shtar wrote: »

I still don't get how the craglorn delves are 4 man when the "boss" fights don't have any kind of mechanic.

So Craglorn is VR11-12 basically as far as delves without CPs
At the time this released there were only 6 vet dungeons and they were thought of like this (debate able order):

Tier 1: (V1-5)
The Banished Cell
Spindlecluth
Fungal Grotto

Tier 2: (V6-10)
Wayrest Sewers
Darkshade Caverns
Elden Hollow

So prior to a lot of changes, the Craglorn delve boss fights were similar. Remeber Craglorn hasn't changed much since launch in 2014. They are limited to 4 group members but I wouldn't say to kill the NPCs you have to have 4. Some...yeah but 3 ppl usually worked. Quest are a diff story so the quests and phases...u basically wanted there to be 4 ppl so u don't have to stop.

Wouldn't be better then to scale everything even the normal zone mobs then?

I don't know....just being honest cause the regular mobs actually wipe me more than the delve bosses and those beam bosses (the ones at the tombs). So I'd be tempted to say no cause it's the only zone that is built on group whereas other zones are solo-able.

The VET silver n gold was that way too and Cyrodil but it's all been drastically changed but Craglorn....was never adjusted other than quest phasing.