Does anyone have problems getting people to PVE with?
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NewBlacksmurf✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭MidnightBlue wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »MidnightBlue wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »MidnightBlue wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »Make friends while you play. It'll net 50+ folks who also have friends and some guild invites. This helps some
I have done that, but majority of the people I met like that are not very good at the game and can't complete some of the vet dungeons. I don't mind teaching people, but I'm not even that good at the game because I haven't gotten good groups to complete content with. Can't complete content unless the group knows what they're doing. Kind of a catch 22.
Do you queue for random VET?
Usually when we have a good group on Xbox one, we all friend up. Then from time to time we get or send party invites on the console and talk about forming a group in game. I have to assume a similar meet and follow up situation would happen but for DSA and vDSA....I've not seen anyone interested sense pre-IC.
I had some ideas in another post so maybe it's not you not having friends. Some of the content is irrelevant for many players now unless it's updated.
I sometimes queue for a random vet dungeon, but often times it takes too long to get one because I'm a DPS. I've met friends from doing some dungeons and stuff, but most of the times we go our separate ways. It doesn't help that the new people I meet refuse to change their playstyle a bit if we can't beat something. If we can't beat something, wouldn't the ideal option is to change it so you can fix it better?
No, so if I can convey something about the bold part....
Its not up to us to suggest or "get" someone to play differently. At best it just causes arguments and is more than likely a reason you don't have follow-up friend opportunities.
Just go with the flow....if you all get to a point where you can't pass something, excuse yourself and thank everyone for having you. I have found it helps to ask..."what can I do if anything to make this more possible"? Offer to friend when you have the desire and if not, just move on so you can find another group.
I've known people that do this, tell people what to do to help them get better. They were able to get people to play with them because they worked together to get better and for that to happen they changed because they were willing to.
It happens but I'm only suggesting that if you're not adding new friends after most PUGs, and you're trying to offer advice, this may not work best for you.-PC (PTS)/Xbox One: NewBlacksmurf
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MidnightBlue✭✭✭No I'm actually trying to find a core group of players including ones that may not be good at the game. If I have to PUG to find a core group then I have to PUG, but I want a group who I can complete content with.0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭MidnightBlue wrote: »No I'm actually trying to find a core group of players including ones that may not be good at the game. If I have to PUG to find a core group then I have to PUG, but I want a group who I can complete content with.
Maybe you need to advertise yourself as looking for a core group to run raids with. I'm baffled when a talented player can't find like-minded individuals to run content with. I've personally never ran into anything like this, either on PC or console games."If a person is truly desirous of something, perhaps being set on fire does not seem so bad."2 -
Kirameku✭✭✭Once I was asked to tank vDSA after tanking some vet dungeon. Thats how I found PVE friends
But actually I think we need group finder for people like you, OP. Also would be nice if it had an achievement filter0 -
NewBlacksmurf✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭MidnightBlue wrote: »No I'm actually trying to find a core group of players including ones that may not be good at the game. If I have to PUG to find a core group then I have to PUG, but I want a group who I can complete content with.
Have you made a post on the Looking for guild forum section specific to your platform?-PC (PTS)/Xbox One: NewBlacksmurf
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Xerosus✭✭✭So you want people to more less consistently run PvE content?
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✭Yup, Ive played since launch and I havent even completed all Craglorn quests due to it. Ive suggested Request System to the Zen, players can put Requests whatever they wanna do, it blinks on everybody's UI, those who help get reward. To put a Request would need an item, what are hard to find. Request System is in my opinion only way to tackle the-low-pop-and-tons-of-group-content issue.Edited by Sausage on April 21, 2016 2:40PM2 -
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✭I have zero problems, in fact I have people begging me to come heal pvp groups, trials and vWGT/ICP for them.
The only difficult I've found is doing dungeons on a dps alt.Edited by svartorn on April 21, 2016 2:45PM0 -
Did this week's patch fix group finder? It's been utterly broken since TG came out. Quickest time I've had was about 30 minutes. Set myself up as tank/DPS/healer for 2 hours, and could not find a group one day.
And it's not just bad timing. 4 of us wanted to run a dungeon together, and 1 of us not in group set for tank, while 3 person group was tankless. We entered group queue simultaneously and 10min later, neither of us had found each other.
I really don't mind running dungeons with randoms as long as they communicate. Have spent a lot of time paying it forward with my experience, again as long as they communicate, you can get through any easy/med difficulty content with any players.
A non talker that rushes in and starts boss battle, I let him die and kick him asap.
But with group finder behaving as badly as it has been since TG, and how most experienced players don't run dungeons any more with randoms, as they can buy helms in PvP, I see this killing random group activity, unless you are in a large trials/dungeon guild.Edited by dantheman1972 on April 21, 2016 2:49PM0 -
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✭I have no problems i came in at launch having never played an mmo made my own guild, found players I enjoyed playing with , we all learnt and played together if we find a pug we enjoy doing stuff with we invite them and friends etc.0 -
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✭Step 1. Goto public dungeons/dolmens/bosses and meet others. Ask to group or simply work together.
Step 2. try and do multiple public dungeons with the people you met using chat or such.
Step 3. See which if any of them would be interested in trying group dungeons once you are comfortable with each other.
Step4. Have fun...dont take it seriously.
The problem is there is a big gulf/disconnect developing between solo - grouping on the fly - static groups.
People need to socialise before they group up properly.
If you are new to a guild you will still remain an outsider to many because there was no social/group bonding.
Would you ask a stranger to go to dinner or a cinema ?
or would you go down the pub first and have a laugh and joke with new people and make new friends beforehand ?
The guilds could help with this by hanging out at the dungeons and grouping on the fly with the newbies.
Even simply running along side someone coudl break the ice a little.
Many ES players are solo players by default and having problems adjusting to group play.
Guilds now are isolated from the community becuase they have the players they need.
So that new community has a problem.....unneeded.
I spent quite a lot of time literally standing outside low level dungeons, instigating groups.
Not for the purpose of completely them.
But to show them its OK to group up and try the content.....failure or not.
You can still have fun even in failure.
Then you get those that take it far too seriously an chastise mock the others they are with.
The result is people simply are scared of not living up to others expectations.
That they are doing it wrong and bad.
That they really shouldn't bother or be here.
EVREYONE and I mean EVERYONE starts off not knowing what the hell they are doing.
TOO many people on here completely forget that.Edited by Rune_Relic on April 21, 2016 4:02PMAnything that can be exploited will be exploited0 -
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Fair question, although a tad cynical. Maybe it's not obvious....but anyhow, I'd like to make a distinction between "elitists", those who ACT like they're hot ***, and "elites", those who actually faceroll content.MidnightBlue wrote: »Could say the same for elitist players that are judgmental. So if elitist players who are usually judgmental how come they can find people then?
"Elitists", I have found are in the same boat you are. They need a group, most of the time cause no one wants to deal with their ***. This is why you run into them in the LFG tool. Usually, they convince lonely and desperate players to join with them and the group begrudgingly finishes the current dungeon qued, split group immediately after, never to be heard from again. Like begets Like. These people will eventually find enough desperate/degenerate players of the same mindset, though these people are not friends and these types of groups dissolve as quickly as they are formed.
"Elites" are usually long-time players with extensive connections of people they've run with for longer than some ppl have even been playing the game. They have spent the time building their friends list and reap the benefits of doing so. In the groups they have fostered, most often, they are friends and joke around, don't see each other as judging but as healthy competition between friends. But when "Elites" join into pug groups or with people they don't normally run with, this ideology that has become second nature for their groups often comes off as being judgmental to newer, less experienced ppl. To answer your question, it's because they made friends.
Some are real *** obviously, lets call these, "elitist-elites", these people usually have single goal in mind and are so committed to achieving that goal that they and the groups that they play with are willing to look past obvious flaws in human nature. Just like regular "elitists", they form quickly for content to achieve their goal often boiling over in rage quits and petty fights about who died to a world shaper. These groups rarely stand the test of time. This demographic is literally 0.00001% of the population and shouldn't even be considered for the level of play I believe you're referring to.
Well I hope that clears up some. My intent is to give you ideas to successfully form a group that will work for YOU long-term. Finding like minded individuals, being personable and making friends is how its done. Having a large list of even mediocre friends is more sustainable than a short list of high functioning misfits.
The next guild could be the one for you. Keep searching. The farming groups you're referring to didn't form over night. Some of us have a friends list accumulated from the last 2 years.MidnightBlue wrote: »I went through so many guilds already. I join and leave and sometimes rejoin the same ones as well. I'm about to leave another because the people in there don't use guild chat and I can't seem to talk to them and do stuff with them since they're always busy with their friends.
Edited by Cuyler on April 21, 2016 4:13PMGuild: STACK n BURN (gm) PC - NA
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Fair question, although a tad cynical. Maybe it's not obvious....but anyhow, I'd like to make a distinction between "elitists", those who ACT like they're hot ***, and "elites", those who actually faceroll content.MidnightBlue wrote: »Could say the same for elitist players that are judgmental. So if elitist players who are usually judgmental how come they can find people then?
"Elitists", I have found are in the same boat you are. They need a group, most of the time cause no one wants to deal with their ***. This is why you run into them in the LFG tool. Usually, they convince lonely and desperate players to join with them and the group begrudgingly finishes the current dungeon qued, split group immediately after, never to be heard from again. Like begets Like. These people will eventually find enough desperate/degenerate players of the same mindset, though these people are not friends and these types of groups dissolve as quickly as they are formed.
"Elites" are usually long-time players with extensive connections of people they've run with for longer than some ppl have even been playing the game. They have spent the time building their friends list and reap the benefits of doing so. In the groups they have fostered, most often, they are friends and joke around, don't see each other as judging but as healthy competition between friends. But when "Elites" join into pug groups or with people they don't normally run with, this ideology that has become second nature for their groups often comes off as being judgmental to newer, less experienced ppl. To answer your question, it's because they made friends.
Some are real *** obviously, lets call these, "elitist-elites", these people usually have single goal in mind and are so committed to achieving that goal that they and the groups that they play with are willing to look past obvious flaws in human nature. Just like regular "elitists", they form quickly for content to achieve their goal often boiling over in rage quits and petty fights about who died to a world shaper. These groups rarely stand the test of time. This demographic is literally 0.00001% of the population and shouldn't even be considered for the level of play I believe you're referring to.
Well I hope that clears up some. My intent is to give you ideas to successfully form a group that will work for YOU long-term. Finding like minded individuals, being personable and making friends is how its done. Having a large list of even mediocre friends is more sustainable than a short list of high functioning misfits.
The next guild could be the one for you. Keep searching. The farming groups you're referring to didn't form over night. Some of us have friends list accumulated from the last 2 years.MidnightBlue wrote: »I went through so many guilds already. I join and leave and sometimes rejoin the same ones as well. I'm about to leave another because the people in there don't use guild chat and I can't seem to talk to them and do stuff with them since they're always busy with their friends.
very well commented....really well written descriptions
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✭✭✭✭✭So you want people to more less consistently run PvE content?
Feel free to add me if you want
GT: Xerosus
NA server
@Xerosus mind if I add you?
To OP: hey bud, Im in the exact same situation. I have been in a few guilds, what I really just want is an active voice chat. I may not know all the dungeons but I can solo vet dungeons (assuming I'd be helpful)
If you come across anything, I'd love to know
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Magdalina✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Most of those groups didn't magically form overnight as well.
Keep looking You say you don't have that issue with PvP, well, did you try asking the people you PvP with? Perhaps they do PvE/are interested in trying PvE together/know good friendly PvE guilds?
I think I remember how I got into the very first even remotely serious PvE guild. It was by running into a female character in the Rift wearing Breton light armor(jerkin and pants). I told her I thought it looked really cool and shame so many people don't realize just how cool "normal" motifs can be and just all go for "fancy" daedric(was a really big thing back then) and stuff. She excitedly answered she couldn't agree more and we just kind of started chatting. She ended up inviting me to her guild. Wasn't hardcore or anything now that I think about it but was competent and friendly. I met some really great players and fun people there. They've taught me really a lot about running dungeons etc and they didn't care in the least for me being a noob back then. Some of the people I met there I've run with for months, although by now most of them have unfortunately left the game for various reasons. My other former and/or present "core group" members? A few guildies from other guilds, a pure crafter I ran into in Rift who ran like his second ever dungeon with me and by now he's 2 manned every single vet dungeon at v16(but let me tell you, at the start he was a real noob...hi @sigismond !), a few guys I've found through pugging(yes yes, pugging!), a fellow Russian girl I ran into while questing in AD zones, a couple of people I met on forums, a few guys I met in PvP(ironically mostly members of opposing alliances lol), some friends of my friends...I'm not in any super hardcore guilds right now and I hardly ever run Trials but I generally have enough friends on to get a dungeon run going if I feel like it. The people are there, you just can't give up looking!
Good luck Edited by Magdalina on April 21, 2016 5:27PM1 -
Xerosus✭✭✭Waffennacht wrote: »So you want people to more less consistently run PvE content?
Feel free to add me if you want
GT: Xerosus
NA server
@Xerosus mind if I add you?
To OP: hey bud, Im in the exact same situation. I have been in a few guilds, what I really just want is an active voice chat. I may not know all the dungeons but I can solo vet dungeons (assuming I'd be helpful)
If you come across anything, I'd love to know
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✭✭✭✭✭Two of my top characters are Sorcs with pets, they don't add much damage but they do substitute for actual players doing their own thing and pulling distractions away from me. It does make soloing easier when they're helping me complete objectives that otherwise would be difficult on my own. Less dodging and weaving, more time to stand in place and focus fire. I wish more classes had pets, I don't want to start a third sorc just to have the feeling of a companion around, even if its artificial rather than another player. At least I can play on my own time without relying on others.
My non-pet classes are primarily healers and tanks so they can get in random dungeon groups much sooner, they don't have the issue of being lost in the shuffle of "where the hell is everybody??" but that leaves the characters I don't play, which are pure DPS non-pet characters who take forever to get groups or have a hard time soloing some of the stronger challenges in the outdoor world.
I really do hope they add Followers to the game, permanent ones not just Quest activated Followers. The game is way too spread out to get in touch with other players during my time which sometimes is late after midnight where the population is scarce.0 -
greylox✭✭✭✭✭I solely use the group finder for vet dungeons/dailies and am one of those players that doesn't mind if someone doesn't know something and needs it explaining (ask though), and I've met plenty with the same attitude along my PUGing journey so it can't be that hard to have success. The way I see it is, if you want to rush through with people that you know know what they are doing, then do it with friends/guild.
Plenty of times when I started learning the dungeons I'd be kicked from groups because I'd always say if it was my first time...but half hour later I'd be playing with a great group that I'd end up friending (and thanking for their patience) so it's worth the wait if you ask me.PC EU
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✭I belong to some great guilds and I know some great people, never have trouble, but I could understand why that would be frustrating.0