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Did Talons Get Nerfed With TG?
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The skill seems less effective in PVP now.
Rest in Peace:
The Dragonknight
2014-2025
This commemoration is for the class that has constantly been plundered and dismantled by designers for no obvious reason while other classes continue to have coherent skill lines and feel both powerful and cool.
The Dragonknight
2014-2025
This commemoration is for the class that has constantly been plundered and dismantled by designers for no obvious reason while other classes continue to have coherent skill lines and feel both powerful and cool.
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✭✭Don't know but wouldn't surprise me cause forbid DKs or Templars be as good as NB or sorc.0 -
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✭✭✭It could just be that all of the roll dodging exploitation is making me feel that talons is missing when it shouldn't.Rest in Peace:
The Dragonknight
2014-2025
This commemoration is for the class that has constantly been plundered and dismantled by designers for no obvious reason while other classes continue to have coherent skill lines and feel both powerful and cool.1 -
Reevster✭✭✭✭✭Forestd16b14_ESO wrote: »Don't know but wouldn't surprise me cause forbid DKs or Templars be as good as NB or sorc.
Templars are no good in PvP? damn I seem to die a lot from Jesus beams and dark flares lately not to mention those annoying crystal stakes through my body lol, i think templars are doing just fine in PvP, DKs are ok if you know how to play one, its just NBs and Sorcs are more "user friendly"2 -
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Bofrari✭✭✭Personofsecrets wrote: »It could just be that all of the roll dodging exploitation is making me feel that talons is missing when it shouldn't.
Yeah because you can exploit dodge roll not.0 -
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✭✭✭Personofsecrets wrote: »It could just be that all of the roll dodging exploitation is making me feel that talons is missing when it shouldn't.
Yeah because you can exploit dodge roll not.
There is a known dodge roll exploit.Rest in Peace:
The Dragonknight
2014-2025
This commemoration is for the class that has constantly been plundered and dismantled by designers for no obvious reason while other classes continue to have coherent skill lines and feel both powerful and cool.0 -
Vanzen✭✭✭✭✭With TG its funny how as a mag DK I gradually stopped using : Talon/GDB/Igneous shield/Flame lash. I discovered with this patch there are many more efficient skills to use in pvp. But looking at other DK I see habits die hard.
And no ... I dont use proxy det either ...Edited by Vanzen on April 16, 2016 2:03PM0 -
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✭✭✭I'm starting to think that what I am noticing with Talons is only due to roll dodge meta.Rest in Peace:
The Dragonknight
2014-2025
This commemoration is for the class that has constantly been plundered and dismantled by designers for no obvious reason while other classes continue to have coherent skill lines and feel both powerful and cool.0 -
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✭Forestd16b14_ESO wrote: »Don't know but wouldn't surprise me cause forbid DKs or Templars be as good as NB or sorc.
They are not as good at burst clearly but try a Tanky build and be amazed.Chaos Shadow-Scale: Shadow Archer
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Tanks-With-Sap-Essence: Dark Mage
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Chaos Dragon-Scale: Draconic Shield Master
Chaos Light-Scale: Marsh Paladin
Chaos Lightning-Scale: Daedric Master
Hurricane Chaos: Storm Archer
Bask-In-My-Light: Warrior of The Light
Forged-In-Dragon-Fire: Pyro Mage
Guardian of The Hist: Light Mender
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Star of Chaos: Frost Blade Champion
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For the King of Argonia
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✭✭Forestd16b14_ESO wrote: »Don't know but wouldn't surprise me cause forbid DKs or Templars be as good as NB or sorc.
Templars are no good in PvP? damn I seem to die a lot from Jesus beams and dark flares lately not to mention those annoying crystal stakes through my body lol, i think templars are doing just fine in PvP, DKs are ok if you know how to play one, its just NBs and Sorcs are more "user friendly"kendellking_chaosb14_ESO wrote: »Forestd16b14_ESO wrote: »Don't know but wouldn't surprise me cause forbid DKs or Templars be as good as NB or sorc.
They are not as good at burst clearly but try a Tanky build and be amazed.
Guessing a /endsargasum should have been added at the end of that.0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Forestd16b14_ESO wrote: »Don't know but wouldn't surprise me cause forbid DKs or Templars be as good as NB or sorc.
Templars are no good in PvP? damn I seem to die a lot from Jesus beams and dark flares lately not to mention those annoying crystal stakes through my body lol, i think templars are doing just fine in PvP, DKs are ok if you know how to play one, its just NBs and Sorcs are more "user friendly"
100% correct! I wish that every player could hear these wise words.
You need to be skilled to play well no matter what class you are on. It's why some players can 1vX and PvP solo with ease, while on the other side of the spectrum some players can only survive inside a large group spamming Mutagen or Breath of Life. That's just how it is. The same players running solo PvP also tend to be stronger, capable of difficult content like vMA.
Nightblade and Sorceror (at least their Magicka variants) allow more leniency in the skill and experience needed to be effective. Like the other classes though, a skilled player will always be OP, not a class. In fact, I have seen more terrible Magicka Sorcs than any other class tbh. Meanwhile, the majority of Stamplars I have come across are pretty strong (not as strong as my Stamplar though
)Most Magicka Sorcs use:
Crystal Frags, Crystal Frags, Crystal Frags, Power Surge, Hardened Ward, sometime Harness Magicka,Crystal Frags, Crystal Frags, Crystal Frags, Crystal Frags, Crystal Frags, Crystal Frags, Hardened Ward, Crystal Frags, Crystal Frags, Crystal Frags, Crystal Frags, Crystal Frags, Crystal Frags, sometimes Overload, Hardened Ward, Crystal Frags, Crystal Frags, Crystal Frags, Crystal Frags, Crystal Frags, Crystal Frags, Dead
It's really, really sad. For Nightblades this becomes Lotus Fan/Concealed Weapon. So like I said, the player's skill/build is strong, not the class. Common misconception that's making most player on "OP" classes outright suck.Edited by Vaoh on April 16, 2016 8:48PM0 -
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✭✭✭Can we please discuss talons?Rest in Peace:
The Dragonknight
2014-2025
This commemoration is for the class that has constantly been plundered and dismantled by designers for no obvious reason while other classes continue to have coherent skill lines and feel both powerful and cool.0 -
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✭It didn't get nerfed. people are just spamming roots so often. that everyone is used to it by now.Edited by Lucky28 on April 17, 2016 2:49AMInvictus0 -
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✭✭Personofsecrets wrote: »Personofsecrets wrote: »It could just be that all of the roll dodging exploitation is making me feel that talons is missing when it shouldn't.
Yeah because you can exploit dodge roll not.
There is a known dodge roll exploit.
THIS IS AN EXPLOIT! THAT IS AN EXPLOIT! EVERYTHING IS AN EXPLOIT!.... seriously is there no end to people making up exploits these days?PS4 NA DC0 -
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✭✭GreenSoup2HoT wrote: »Personofsecrets wrote: »Personofsecrets wrote: »It could just be that all of the roll dodging exploitation is making me feel that talons is missing when it shouldn't.
Yeah because you can exploit dodge roll not.
There is a known dodge roll exploit.
THIS IS AN EXPLOIT! THAT IS AN EXPLOIT! EVERYTHING IS AN EXPLOIT!.... seriously is there no end to people making up exploits these days?
Thank you for providing as much evidence as the person you are responding to.0 -
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✭Here it is a lot of people like fast pace builds so they take the burst damage class but Tanky builds and classes work just a good just not as fast.
If you can't tank and you die it's not cause Tanky builds don't work in PvP it's cause you're not good at Tanking. Look at all the people that thought Nightblade was super easy and try to make a gank build and die in two seconds. Is it cause Glass Canon builds don't work no you're just not good at it.Chaos Shadow-Scale: Shadow Archer
Chaos Death-Scale: Shadow Knight
Tanks-With-Sap-Essence: Dark Mage
Dark Brotherhood Listener: Blade of Argonia
Chaos Dragon-Scale: Draconic Shield Master
Chaos Light-Scale: Marsh Paladin
Chaos Lightning-Scale: Daedric Master
Hurricane Chaos: Storm Archer
Bask-In-My-Light: Warrior of The Light
Forged-In-Dragon-Fire: Pyro Mage
Guardian of The Hist: Light Mender
Chaos of Black Marsh: Master of The Burning Sword
Star of Chaos: Frost Blade Champion
Chaos-Lightning-Tower: Lightning Shield Master
For the King of Argonia
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✭✭✭Wreuntzylla wrote: »GreenSoup2HoT wrote: »Personofsecrets wrote: »Personofsecrets wrote: »It could just be that all of the roll dodging exploitation is making me feel that talons is missing when it shouldn't.
Yeah because you can exploit dodge roll not.
There is a known dodge roll exploit.
THIS IS AN EXPLOIT! THAT IS AN EXPLOIT! EVERYTHING IS AN EXPLOIT!.... seriously is there no end to people making up exploits these days?
Thank you for providing as much evidence as the person you are responding to.
Obviously I can't post the exploitation on the forums.Rest in Peace:
The Dragonknight
2014-2025
This commemoration is for the class that has constantly been plundered and dismantled by designers for no obvious reason while other classes continue to have coherent skill lines and feel both powerful and cool.0 -
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✭The problem isnt with tanky classes like DK and templar. They are both really good in small scale. The problem is, the moment any class/build is able to tank 3-5 players for longer then 10 seconds people scream for nerf nerf wah wah wah I cant burst someone down in 5 seconds wah wah.
That's the reason why mitigation is so *** compared to just pumping your DPS through the roof. Coupled with huge large scale battles, a tanky toon is worthless because u cant tank, u cant dps, you lack mobility. The three nails in the coffin. The playstyle ZOS envisioned for the DK and templar just doesnt fit into the meta. Templars are supposed to sit in their house while DKs are supposed to outlast their opponent? Good luck with that when most DPS builds can ignore 90% of your armor/resistances and hit you for upwards of 5-10k depending on your total impen stat with a health total of 25-30k. A 10k hit is literally 1/3 of your total life pool. Get 2 competent players against you and you are dead within 5 seconds no matter if youre in 5/5 heavy or 5/5 light. Any decent player can "1vX" against a bunch of noob little zerglings with only AOE on their bar. Just kite them around and LOS and they will disperse and get pwnt. Try doing this against just 2 or 3 players who know what they are doing and you will be sorely disappointed.
Defense<<<<<<<Offense. This makes templar and DK sub par classes to play. Yeah some GOOD players can make them work and still be effective but that has a lot more to do with skill than balance. Get 2 average players and 99% of the time, the sorc or nb is going to come out on top. Not because sorc/nb is better as a class, but because those classes fit into the meta ZOS has brought about far better than DK/templar.
Back on topic: No I dont see any difference with talons on my DK. Just as effective at locking people down as it was pre-tg.Edited by Vangy on April 19, 2016 5:16AM(2)V16 Dk- stam dps/stam tank/mag dps
(2)V16 Sorc- mag dps/stam dps
(2)V16 nb- stam dps/mag dps
(1)v16 temp- mag tank/mag dps
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Kas✭✭✭✭✭it's actually better than before. however with bombard's and frost reach's HUGE rise in popularity, building against it (e.g. use shuffle a lot), has become more popular as well.@bbu - AD/EU
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imapogostick✭✭With TG its funny how as a mag DK I gradually stopped using : Talon/GDB/Igneous shield/Flame lash. I discovered with this patch there are many more efficient skills to use in pvp. But looking at other DK I see habits die hard.
And no ... I dont use proxy det either ...
Why would you use gdb over coag blood on a magic dk anyways. Plus what are you running cuz I'd like to run magic but it it's terrible synergy and can't escape what so ever I had to switch to stamina and it's one hundred times better as a dk. But if your not using igneous shield and coag blood I'm guessing you have a restoration staff or you would have very limited heals.0