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so much greed in this game by developers...
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andreasv✭✭✭✭✭... Well then why don't we go and look at Black Desert.. the such waited MMO for the last years?
B2P game... and you have a P2W Cash Shop.. and INSANE PRICES on everything... insane in a way that you have to spend 30 dollars on .. not a full costume.. but ONE PIECE of a costume.
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@Svalinn Can you please point out where the BDO cash shop is pay to win?0 -
Svalinn✭✭✭@Svalinn Can you please point out where the BDO cash shop is pay to win?
Gladly.. in a PvP based game (because BDO IS a PvP based game since PvP is all you can do after a certain lvl) selling in the cash shop an item that actually hides your name thus preventing other players from even seeing you "most of the times" when you go near them is a "win" advantage.
But of course you can avoid that.. IF you buy a dog pet in the Cash Shop because that's the only place you can buy pet (for people that does not know a "dog pet" in BDO has a skill that makes it find out PvP players near you).
Shall i go on? ^^1 -
andreasv✭✭✭✭✭@Svalinn Can you please point out where the BDO cash shop is pay to win?
Gladly.. in a PvP based game (because BDO IS a PvP based game since PvP is all you can do after a certain lvl) selling in the cash shop an item that actually hides your name thus preventing other players from even seeing you "most of the times" when you go near them is a "win" advantage.
But of course you can avoid that.. IF you buy a dog pet in the Cash Shop because that's the only place you can buy pet (for people that does not know a "dog pet" in BDO has a skill that makes it find out PvP players near you).
Shall i go on? ^^
Yes, please go on, because that's the most idiotic reason to call it a pay to win cash shop. I've never lost a PvP battle (they are possible in Black Desert Online compared to ESO) because of someone looking like a walking tree.
Next please.0 -
JamilaRaj✭✭✭✭✭
✭FLuFFyxMuFFiN wrote: »ZOS isn't "Greedy" They're seeing how much they can get away with. They're like a child testing how far they can go before they get in trouble. They keep selling items at higher and higher prices. Once people stop buying this junk, they'll stop selling it for those process.
Problem is, there's a whole bunch of idiots out there with a lot of disposable income... so... *shrug*
Disposable income makes them idiots? Not saying that people with disposable income have to spend it but if they want to spend their money they can. Personally I believe most of the prices in the Crown Store are fine but I will agree that the assistants are a little high. I wouldn't buy them even if they were 500 crowns though.
No, it is spending it in the cash shop that makes them idiots, because they pay ZOS to make the game worse, i.e. they act against their own interest. Unless, of course, they want their fluff right now no matter what, in which case they are not idiots, but dangerous idiots.katamuro11b16_ESO wrote: »ZOS isn't "Greedy" They're seeing how much they can get away with. They're like a child testing how far they can go before they get in trouble. They keep selling items at higher and higher prices. Once people stop buying this junk, they'll stop selling it for those process.
Problem is, there's a whole bunch of idiots out there with a lot of disposable income... so... *shrug*
That is basically the rest of the world too, businesses and people trying to charge as much as they can and a layer of people who can afford to buy it making life difficult for those beneath them on the financial ladder.
This is not really the case seen from economics - and why businesses sell their stuff as branded goods and as well as no-name products at different prices. Different people buy at different prices and if many different prices are covered it will be overall more. There is an optimal price though, and that is normally not any near to the highest possible due to the shape of the demand graph (demand at a certain price).
The optimal sale volume would be the integral below this curve. And selling in different price ranges leads to not overlapping areas under this graph and is maximizing the win. That is why ZOS will have a sale at some point in time and offer it for half the price most likely - to catch another group of people with it - but at the same time, a lot of those who bought it for 5k will feel ripped off in one way or the other - a more reasonable price would have covered a larger area and no one would have to feel ripped off - so it is economically not clever to try to get the highest price, but a reasonable one is king.
ZOS (interested in optimal (=max) profit, rather than volume anyway) may have a sale at some point, but is not pressed to do so, because:
1) there is no competition, nobody is going to get your money but ZOS, unless you walk away from the game. But once you play, you have to buy from ZOS, not only if you want an item X, but also if you buy something else instead of X. That is why it does not lose money if you decide to "punish" it for having X "overpriced", yet still buy crowns for other stuff.
2) after the first item of its kind, items cost nothing to produce, nothing to store and do not decay. No incentive whatsoever to get rid of items fast instead of waiting for a whale.
3) ZOS can drive demand by making an item arbitrarily desirable, useful, even necessary and also scarce (if it is obtainable by playing (=grinding)).
Though I presume it would be well worth it to offer assistants for $25, just for the lulz, to see players rush to the cash shop for their assistants, thinking they rip off ZOS.Edited by JamilaRaj on April 19, 2016 3:38PM0 -
Lysette✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Yes, games have a different dynamic which is more comparable to selling drugs, due to the addictive effect games have and especially online games, where the social component adds to it - game addiction and not wanting to leave their friends. But this can hit back as well, if there is another game and those friends decide to move - and suddenly the whole group is gone. And they might make their decision based on how the game play is and how much they feel ripped off or not. And how good the service quality is. As I see it, the pvp service quality is low, clients not working properly, cash grabs in the crown store, bug fixes are delayed for months or even never been taken on - does this sound to you like they are likely to stay, when there is more and more concurrence in the fantasy MMO market with pvp?- I think they will rather get their "fix" elsewhere.Edited by Lysette on April 19, 2016 12:27PM0 -
Elloa✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Just want to mention something important in case it had not been clearly said before:
Devellopers, Community managers are NOT GREEDY. They are employees and have a salary. They are not the ones making the buisness decision of ESO!
So if you are unhappy about the prices of the cash shop, etc..Stop to target the devs! Whine about the PR.
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Acharnor✭✭✭✭One advert for the crown store offerings you can quickly close and ignore is not a big deal!! If it popped up everytime you entered a zone or something I would be ticked. But, its just there when you log in. And, hey, it's a business! They do need to make income to keep the game going. There are no significant game altering advantages in there either. This is a pretty minor thing and not wothy of a complaint or time.Celebrate for life is short but sweet for certain.0 -
Svalinn✭✭✭
LOl... so basically you're saying that putting in the cash shop a pet that "smells" PvP players near you and a costume that hides apart of such players from sight is not a clear advantage in the game that can only be bought with real moeny.. you sir have real problems@Svalinn Can you please point out where the BDO cash shop is pay to win?
Gladly.. in a PvP based game (because BDO IS a PvP based game since PvP is all you can do after a certain lvl) selling in the cash shop an item that actually hides your name thus preventing other players from even seeing you "most of the times" when you go near them is a "win" advantage.
But of course you can avoid that.. IF you buy a dog pet in the Cash Shop because that's the only place you can buy pet (for people that does not know a "dog pet" in BDO has a skill that makes it find out PvP players near you).
Shall i go on? ^^
Yes, please go on, because that's the most idiotic reason to call it a pay to win cash shop. I've never lost a PvP battle (they are possible in Black Desert Online compared to ESO) because of someone looking like a walking tree.
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Callous2208✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭@Svalinn Can you please point out where the BDO cash shop is pay to win?
Gladly.. in a PvP based game (because BDO IS a PvP based game since PvP is all you can do after a certain lvl) selling in the cash shop an item that actually hides your name thus preventing other players from even seeing you "most of the times" when you go near them is a "win" advantage.
But of course you can avoid that.. IF you buy a dog pet in the Cash Shop because that's the only place you can buy pet (for people that does not know a "dog pet" in BDO has a skill that makes it find out PvP players near you).
Shall i go on? ^^
Yes, please go on, because that's the most idiotic reason to call it a pay to win cash shop. I've never lost a PvP battle (they are possible in Black Desert Online compared to ESO) because of someone looking like a walking tree.
Next please.
Lol. That is the very definition of p2w, you're either delusional or in denial. Yea, I'm sure you never lost a pvp battle to one of these people because you probably bought the same crap item. You can barely even change the look of your gear in that korean f2p/b2p knockoff. Everything worth having is in the overpriced cash shop.1 -
andreasv✭✭✭✭✭
LOl... so basically you're saying that putting in the cash shop a pet that "smells" PvP players near you and a costume that hides apart of such players from sight is not a clear advantage in the game that can only be bought with real moeny.. you sir have real problems@Svalinn Can you please point out where the BDO cash shop is pay to win?
Gladly.. in a PvP based game (because BDO IS a PvP based game since PvP is all you can do after a certain lvl) selling in the cash shop an item that actually hides your name thus preventing other players from even seeing you "most of the times" when you go near them is a "win" advantage.
But of course you can avoid that.. IF you buy a dog pet in the Cash Shop because that's the only place you can buy pet (for people that does not know a "dog pet" in BDO has a skill that makes it find out PvP players near you).
Shall i go on? ^^
Yes, please go on, because that's the most idiotic reason to call it a pay to win cash shop. I've never lost a PvP battle (they are possible in Black Desert Online compared to ESO) because of someone looking like a walking tree.
Next please.Callous2208 wrote: »@Svalinn Can you please point out where the BDO cash shop is pay to win?
Gladly.. in a PvP based game (because BDO IS a PvP based game since PvP is all you can do after a certain lvl) selling in the cash shop an item that actually hides your name thus preventing other players from even seeing you "most of the times" when you go near them is a "win" advantage.
But of course you can avoid that.. IF you buy a dog pet in the Cash Shop because that's the only place you can buy pet (for people that does not know a "dog pet" in BDO has a skill that makes it find out PvP players near you).
Shall i go on? ^^
Yes, please go on, because that's the most idiotic reason to call it a pay to win cash shop. I've never lost a PvP battle (they are possible in Black Desert Online compared to ESO) because of someone looking like a walking tree.
Next please.
Lol. That is the very definition of p2w, you're either delusional or in denial. Yea, I'm sure you never lost a pvp battle to one of these people because you probably bought the same crap item. You can barely even change the look of your gear in that korean f2p/b2p knockoff. Everything worth having is in the overpriced cash shop.
Yep, maybe I am in denial. Neither, the costume nor the pet makes you win a fight though. It gives you an advantage. But I see this as the same advantage as using cloak on a nightblade. Admittedly playing a nightblade is free compared to the items in question.
The only things I consider as pay to win are overpowered weapons as they were sold in Archeage. BDO apparently is pay to win in Korea (can neither confirm nor deny as I haven't played that version), but not the NA / EU version. And selling costumes or pets with certain features or the ability to gain a few percentages more xp won't make it pay to win.0 -
JamilaRaj✭✭✭✭✭
✭Just want to mention something important in case it had not been clearly said before:
Devellopers, Community managers are NOT GREEDY. They are employees and have a salary. They are not the ones making the buisness decision of ESO!
But they carry them out! And, as 9 out of 10 convicted war criminals confirm, "we just followed orders" is not valid defense!0 -
Flynch✭✭✭✭Ah I love these discussions.
Let's break it down. If the items and/or services were not selling as well as ZOS would like, they would/will axe the prices until they fell into line.
I understand that these are expensive items, and they can seem absurdly pricey if you really want them but feel it takes too much disposable income to purchase them. But that's simply the way the world works.
They keep the prices high because people are buying them at that price - i'm sure the price will come down (or they will have the crown offers etc etc) over time, as with most things, value depreciates.
And stop blaming the 'idiots' for opening their wallets for these expensive items - because right now, they are the only thing keeping this boat (aside from initial box purchases) afloat and content being created. Just be patient.
It is not an issue about affordable or not. I would not pay 35€ for that extra pepper in this restaurant, which I mentioned in this metaphor, not even if I could buy the whole restaurant chain. It is unreasonable and it is rude towards a paying customer. And even more blatant is, that the assistant do not do what they advertise - all your banking needs - no they don't. But so is the whole way in which they advertise the game - pretty much nothing of what their trailers advertise is in the game. And this is not corrected in the description of the item, it still advertises "all your banking needs". Same with the merchant, he does not sell what a normal merchant is selling, especially not that what people would need and what would make it useful. And this makes the whole offer even worse as it already is. It is a blatant cash grab and the whole deal tastes foul.
So the reality is that they weren't clear with what the item does or performs. Yeah I can agree with that. But that wasn't the point of this thread. It was about the cost of an item - not the way they presented the item. If they told you exactly, and to the absolute accuracy that you require, what you were buying did; but it cost the same. Would that still be the same argument?
From what I understand, no-one is obligated to state what something doesn't do - just what it does do. And even that is arguable.
In a thread about whether a company is greedy or not - you can't afford to flip-flop over issues in order to create a case against a company, which by definition, is in existence to make money. What you think is reasonable, is not what someone else sees as reasonable (see the rest of this thread).
It seems to me that a lot of people think that the people in charge of the finances are 'idiots', the people buying the items are 'idiots' and that the developers are 'idiots' for advocating the sale.
So basically everyone is an 'idiot'. That sounds like some serious bias. We all wish that whatever we wanted was fair and affordable. And don't kid yourself, this is entirely about desires and affordability.0 -
Flynch✭✭✭✭Just want to mention something important in case it had not been clearly said before:
Devellopers, Community managers are NOT GREEDY. They are employees and have a salary. They are not the ones making the buisness decision of ESO!
But they carry them out! And, as 9 out of 10 convicted war criminals confirm, "we just followed orders" is not valid defense!
Are you insane? Genuinely concerned.1 -
Lysette✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Ah I love these discussions.
Let's break it down. If the items and/or services were not selling as well as ZOS would like, they would/will axe the prices until they fell into line.
I understand that these are expensive items, and they can seem absurdly pricey if you really want them but feel it takes too much disposable income to purchase them. But that's simply the way the world works.
They keep the prices high because people are buying them at that price - i'm sure the price will come down (or they will have the crown offers etc etc) over time, as with most things, value depreciates.
And stop blaming the 'idiots' for opening their wallets for these expensive items - because right now, they are the only thing keeping this boat (aside from initial box purchases) afloat and content being created. Just be patient.
It is not an issue about affordable or not. I would not pay 35€ for that extra pepper in this restaurant, which I mentioned in this metaphor, not even if I could buy the whole restaurant chain. It is unreasonable and it is rude towards a paying customer. And even more blatant is, that the assistant do not do what they advertise - all your banking needs - no they don't. But so is the whole way in which they advertise the game - pretty much nothing of what their trailers advertise is in the game. And this is not corrected in the description of the item, it still advertises "all your banking needs". Same with the merchant, he does not sell what a normal merchant is selling, especially not that what people would need and what would make it useful. And this makes the whole offer even worse as it already is. It is a blatant cash grab and the whole deal tastes foul.
So the reality is that they weren't clear with what the item does or performs. Yeah I can agree with that. But that wasn't the point of this thread. It was about the cost of an item - not the way they presented the item. If they told you exactly, and to the absolute accuracy that you require, what you were buying did; but it cost the same. Would that still be the same argument?
From what I understand, no-one is obligated to state what something doesn't do - just what it does do. And even that is arguable.
In a thread about whether a company is greedy or not - you can't afford to flip-flop over issues in order to create a case against a company, which by definition, is in existence to make money. What you think is reasonable, is not what someone else sees as reasonable (see the rest of this thread).
It seems to me that a lot of people think that the people in charge of the finances are 'idiots', the people buying the items are 'idiots' and that the developers are 'idiots' for advocating the sale.
So basically everyone is an 'idiot'. That sounds like some serious bias. We all wish that whatever we wanted was fair and affordable. And don't kid yourself, this is entirely about desires and affordability.
Well, I won't reply any further to this issue - I said how I think about it, you don't get my meaning and turn it around into a money issue, while it is a moral issue. So be it, I cannot make you understand, so I just stop talking about it now.0 -
Flynch✭✭✭✭Ah I love these discussions.
Let's break it down. If the items and/or services were not selling as well as ZOS would like, they would/will axe the prices until they fell into line.
I understand that these are expensive items, and they can seem absurdly pricey if you really want them but feel it takes too much disposable income to purchase them. But that's simply the way the world works.
They keep the prices high because people are buying them at that price - i'm sure the price will come down (or they will have the crown offers etc etc) over time, as with most things, value depreciates.
And stop blaming the 'idiots' for opening their wallets for these expensive items - because right now, they are the only thing keeping this boat (aside from initial box purchases) afloat and content being created. Just be patient.
It is not an issue about affordable or not. I would not pay 35€ for that extra pepper in this restaurant, which I mentioned in this metaphor, not even if I could buy the whole restaurant chain. It is unreasonable and it is rude towards a paying customer. And even more blatant is, that the assistant do not do what they advertise - all your banking needs - no they don't. But so is the whole way in which they advertise the game - pretty much nothing of what their trailers advertise is in the game. And this is not corrected in the description of the item, it still advertises "all your banking needs". Same with the merchant, he does not sell what a normal merchant is selling, especially not that what people would need and what would make it useful. And this makes the whole offer even worse as it already is. It is a blatant cash grab and the whole deal tastes foul.
So the reality is that they weren't clear with what the item does or performs. Yeah I can agree with that. But that wasn't the point of this thread. It was about the cost of an item - not the way they presented the item. If they told you exactly, and to the absolute accuracy that you require, what you were buying did; but it cost the same. Would that still be the same argument?
From what I understand, no-one is obligated to state what something doesn't do - just what it does do. And even that is arguable.
In a thread about whether a company is greedy or not - you can't afford to flip-flop over issues in order to create a case against a company, which by definition, is in existence to make money. What you think is reasonable, is not what someone else sees as reasonable (see the rest of this thread).
It seems to me that a lot of people think that the people in charge of the finances are 'idiots', the people buying the items are 'idiots' and that the developers are 'idiots' for advocating the sale.
So basically everyone is an 'idiot'. That sounds like some serious bias. We all wish that whatever we wanted was fair and affordable. And don't kid yourself, this is entirely about desires and affordability.
Well, I won't reply any further to this issue - I said how I think about it, you don't get my meaning and turn it around into a money issue, while it is a moral issue. So be it, I cannot make you understand, so I just stop talking about it now.
No - I do understand your moral issue - but you need to understand that your morality can't be converted into a moral mutuality with a company.
Easiest way I can explain it is - You have money, and that also carries with it your moral compunction to retain that money or at least use it on something you feel is worth your money. A company wants your money, and that carries with it the moral compunction to retain your money, or at least find a way to produce something to gain your money.
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CaptainBeerDude✭✭✭✭✭EstelioVeleth wrote: »5. So if you really want to make a difference on crown store pricing, speak with your wallet. Dont spend. Force the devs to listen.
That will never happen, reading the posts of some people rubbing it in our faces that they are responsible adults with a job that allows them to overpay stuff xD. So most likely prices will only go up because people are ok with paying for a costume the same amount of money they pay for another game.
And again for those people justifying it with "having a job", it is a bit silly, because what tells you the OP or the others that disagree cant afford to purchase the item? They just dont want to and refuse to do it because they find it too expensive and have the right to do so, just as they have the right to state their opinion without having assumptions made about their social class. If it wouldnt be for people like OP that disagree, all of you would end up paying 100 dollars soon for a costume that is just re-textured a bit.
However my idea why ZOS is putting the prices so high for such a useless thing is because they want to make people actually PLAY the game, find the motif on their own, work for their achievements, and leave the ones that want everything to be easily given buy it. That is why, the imperial dlc is 2.500 crowns but the motif 5.000, sounds insane and makes no sense, except it does, because you CAN have the DLC with some gaming content and find the motif on your own, it takes time and the drop rates are probably not amazing, so it is easier to just say "I will buy that motif instead" so ZOS would be stupid NOT to make money out of people like those.
Their reputation is already pretty bad and they made it even worse with it. Especially at a time where so much is broken or not working properly. I have to reboot my whole system to have a chance to play the game, because their clients do not work properly. I have crashes and I have sound issues. Their service quality is low, I should not have to reboot my system to have a chance to play the game, and at this point in time they make another blatant cash grab - this sheds a really bad light on them.CaptainBeerDude wrote: »CaptainBeerDude wrote: »@Lysette it is completely fine to look at the prices and not see value. Some of the prices don't seem like good value to me and I don't buy those items. If they do, then I buy them. Sometimes things I want are more expensive than I want to pay for them, which means it's poor value for me. If they go on special, maybe they reach a price that I'm willing to pay. Now it's giving me value. You said you run your own business/es, so you should be familiar with this (more than me at least), and realise that some of the extra money generated is going into game production. There really isn't anything we can do about shareholders wanting a slice as well and ZOS trying to keep them quiet.
I'll take cheaper DLC and more expensive vanity items any day of the week.
To me that is about relation between reasonable and greedy - see, say you have a meal in a restaurant and that would be 22€ regular price, but you want a little bit more pepper - pepper is already in the meal, but you want a little bit more of it - and they charge you 35€ extra for this little bit more pepper. How do you feel about that?- And this is not different from charging 35€ for that little bit more, what is already in the game (the assistant), while the whole game costs 22 Euro on sale. This is greed, this is not reasonable and it is blatant. ZOS should be ashamed of it.
I wouldn't have the extra pepper. I regularly get additions to my ordered food, but only because I find the increased value of the food to me is worth the extra cost. If it prices above what I'm willing to pay for it, I don't get it. Simples.
Also, I wouldn't compare it to pepper. It's more like wanting to use different shaped cutlery or having a different plate or asking them to change the table cloth. They could do all of these non-standard things for you, but they can ask what they want in return. If having a blue table cloth instead of a white one means that much to you, go for it. Me, I'll wait until they have a special where it only costs a small amount to change the table cloth.
And if you subscribe, you already get free crowns. You must be running out of stuff to buy by now...
Yeah I have crowns just sitting there waiting for something reasonable to buy. I buy extra crowns once in a while on top of it. I have most items in the crown shop, but I refuse to buy what I think is unreasonable and a blatant cash grab.
I chose pepper in this example, because it is already in the game just like bankers and merchants. And I just want a little bit more of it and would have to pay more than the whole meal costs - this is just like what these assistants are in relation to the game price - ZOS offers this on sale by themselves for 22€ - I got it for 22€ - steam is offering it as well at that price on sale. so for most the game price is 22€, because they buy on steam sales. Why. because there is not way to try this game out. This is another thing where ZOS is too greedy - well, they had this free weekend end of last year, what brought them lots of new customers like me. But they are too greedy to make this a permanent offer for people to test before they buy. They want to sell the cat in the sack and they do that with false promises - trailers which show things, which are not in the game and items with missing features in relation to what they advertise (assistants). This is not ok.
Fair enough. I see properly spicing a meal as far more necessary than having a mobile banker or shop in game. Which is why I compared it to the setting.
But using pepper as the example, that means if you want a side of chips or salad (DLC) it will be less than the pepper. That makes me happy. I would still be satisfied without the pepper, but I would be hungry without the extra food.
I'm happy to have non essential game items be expensive if the parts that heavily enrich my game experience are cheaper.0 -
Lysette✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭CaptainBeerDude wrote: »EstelioVeleth wrote: »5. So if you really want to make a difference on crown store pricing, speak with your wallet. Dont spend. Force the devs to listen.
That will never happen, reading the posts of some people rubbing it in our faces that they are responsible adults with a job that allows them to overpay stuff xD. So most likely prices will only go up because people are ok with paying for a costume the same amount of money they pay for another game.
And again for those people justifying it with "having a job", it is a bit silly, because what tells you the OP or the others that disagree cant afford to purchase the item? They just dont want to and refuse to do it because they find it too expensive and have the right to do so, just as they have the right to state their opinion without having assumptions made about their social class. If it wouldnt be for people like OP that disagree, all of you would end up paying 100 dollars soon for a costume that is just re-textured a bit.
However my idea why ZOS is putting the prices so high for such a useless thing is because they want to make people actually PLAY the game, find the motif on their own, work for their achievements, and leave the ones that want everything to be easily given buy it. That is why, the imperial dlc is 2.500 crowns but the motif 5.000, sounds insane and makes no sense, except it does, because you CAN have the DLC with some gaming content and find the motif on your own, it takes time and the drop rates are probably not amazing, so it is easier to just say "I will buy that motif instead" so ZOS would be stupid NOT to make money out of people like those.
Their reputation is already pretty bad and they made it even worse with it. Especially at a time where so much is broken or not working properly. I have to reboot my whole system to have a chance to play the game, because their clients do not work properly. I have crashes and I have sound issues. Their service quality is low, I should not have to reboot my system to have a chance to play the game, and at this point in time they make another blatant cash grab - this sheds a really bad light on them.CaptainBeerDude wrote: »CaptainBeerDude wrote: »@Lysette it is completely fine to look at the prices and not see value. Some of the prices don't seem like good value to me and I don't buy those items. If they do, then I buy them. Sometimes things I want are more expensive than I want to pay for them, which means it's poor value for me. If they go on special, maybe they reach a price that I'm willing to pay. Now it's giving me value. You said you run your own business/es, so you should be familiar with this (more than me at least), and realise that some of the extra money generated is going into game production. There really isn't anything we can do about shareholders wanting a slice as well and ZOS trying to keep them quiet.
I'll take cheaper DLC and more expensive vanity items any day of the week.
To me that is about relation between reasonable and greedy - see, say you have a meal in a restaurant and that would be 22€ regular price, but you want a little bit more pepper - pepper is already in the meal, but you want a little bit more of it - and they charge you 35€ extra for this little bit more pepper. How do you feel about that?- And this is not different from charging 35€ for that little bit more, what is already in the game (the assistant), while the whole game costs 22 Euro on sale. This is greed, this is not reasonable and it is blatant. ZOS should be ashamed of it.
I wouldn't have the extra pepper. I regularly get additions to my ordered food, but only because I find the increased value of the food to me is worth the extra cost. If it prices above what I'm willing to pay for it, I don't get it. Simples.
Also, I wouldn't compare it to pepper. It's more like wanting to use different shaped cutlery or having a different plate or asking them to change the table cloth. They could do all of these non-standard things for you, but they can ask what they want in return. If having a blue table cloth instead of a white one means that much to you, go for it. Me, I'll wait until they have a special where it only costs a small amount to change the table cloth.
And if you subscribe, you already get free crowns. You must be running out of stuff to buy by now...
Yeah I have crowns just sitting there waiting for something reasonable to buy. I buy extra crowns once in a while on top of it. I have most items in the crown shop, but I refuse to buy what I think is unreasonable and a blatant cash grab.
I chose pepper in this example, because it is already in the game just like bankers and merchants. And I just want a little bit more of it and would have to pay more than the whole meal costs - this is just like what these assistants are in relation to the game price - ZOS offers this on sale by themselves for 22€ - I got it for 22€ - steam is offering it as well at that price on sale. so for most the game price is 22€, because they buy on steam sales. Why. because there is not way to try this game out. This is another thing where ZOS is too greedy - well, they had this free weekend end of last year, what brought them lots of new customers like me. But they are too greedy to make this a permanent offer for people to test before they buy. They want to sell the cat in the sack and they do that with false promises - trailers which show things, which are not in the game and items with missing features in relation to what they advertise (assistants). This is not ok.
Fair enough. I see properly spicing a meal as far more necessary than having a mobile banker or shop in game. Which is why I compared it to the setting.
But using pepper as the example, that means if you want a side of chips or salad (DLC) it will be less than the pepper. That makes me happy. I would still be satisfied without the pepper, but I would be hungry without the extra food.
I'm happy to have non essential game items be expensive if the parts that heavily enrich my game experience are cheaper.
The point of my metaphor was, that pepper is already in the meal. But I want just a little bit more of it and get charged for that more than the whole meal costed me. And that is not right, it is greed, and no one should accept that, regardless if he can pay for it. This is not about the money, this is about morals. Greed should not be supported.0 -
Flynch✭✭✭✭CaptainBeerDude wrote: »EstelioVeleth wrote: »5. So if you really want to make a difference on crown store pricing, speak with your wallet. Dont spend. Force the devs to listen.
That will never happen, reading the posts of some people rubbing it in our faces that they are responsible adults with a job that allows them to overpay stuff xD. So most likely prices will only go up because people are ok with paying for a costume the same amount of money they pay for another game.
And again for those people justifying it with "having a job", it is a bit silly, because what tells you the OP or the others that disagree cant afford to purchase the item? They just dont want to and refuse to do it because they find it too expensive and have the right to do so, just as they have the right to state their opinion without having assumptions made about their social class. If it wouldnt be for people like OP that disagree, all of you would end up paying 100 dollars soon for a costume that is just re-textured a bit.
However my idea why ZOS is putting the prices so high for such a useless thing is because they want to make people actually PLAY the game, find the motif on their own, work for their achievements, and leave the ones that want everything to be easily given buy it. That is why, the imperial dlc is 2.500 crowns but the motif 5.000, sounds insane and makes no sense, except it does, because you CAN have the DLC with some gaming content and find the motif on your own, it takes time and the drop rates are probably not amazing, so it is easier to just say "I will buy that motif instead" so ZOS would be stupid NOT to make money out of people like those.
Their reputation is already pretty bad and they made it even worse with it. Especially at a time where so much is broken or not working properly. I have to reboot my whole system to have a chance to play the game, because their clients do not work properly. I have crashes and I have sound issues. Their service quality is low, I should not have to reboot my system to have a chance to play the game, and at this point in time they make another blatant cash grab - this sheds a really bad light on them.CaptainBeerDude wrote: »CaptainBeerDude wrote: »@Lysette it is completely fine to look at the prices and not see value. Some of the prices don't seem like good value to me and I don't buy those items. If they do, then I buy them. Sometimes things I want are more expensive than I want to pay for them, which means it's poor value for me. If they go on special, maybe they reach a price that I'm willing to pay. Now it's giving me value. You said you run your own business/es, so you should be familiar with this (more than me at least), and realise that some of the extra money generated is going into game production. There really isn't anything we can do about shareholders wanting a slice as well and ZOS trying to keep them quiet.
I'll take cheaper DLC and more expensive vanity items any day of the week.
To me that is about relation between reasonable and greedy - see, say you have a meal in a restaurant and that would be 22€ regular price, but you want a little bit more pepper - pepper is already in the meal, but you want a little bit more of it - and they charge you 35€ extra for this little bit more pepper. How do you feel about that?- And this is not different from charging 35€ for that little bit more, what is already in the game (the assistant), while the whole game costs 22 Euro on sale. This is greed, this is not reasonable and it is blatant. ZOS should be ashamed of it.
I wouldn't have the extra pepper. I regularly get additions to my ordered food, but only because I find the increased value of the food to me is worth the extra cost. If it prices above what I'm willing to pay for it, I don't get it. Simples.
Also, I wouldn't compare it to pepper. It's more like wanting to use different shaped cutlery or having a different plate or asking them to change the table cloth. They could do all of these non-standard things for you, but they can ask what they want in return. If having a blue table cloth instead of a white one means that much to you, go for it. Me, I'll wait until they have a special where it only costs a small amount to change the table cloth.
And if you subscribe, you already get free crowns. You must be running out of stuff to buy by now...
Yeah I have crowns just sitting there waiting for something reasonable to buy. I buy extra crowns once in a while on top of it. I have most items in the crown shop, but I refuse to buy what I think is unreasonable and a blatant cash grab.
I chose pepper in this example, because it is already in the game just like bankers and merchants. And I just want a little bit more of it and would have to pay more than the whole meal costs - this is just like what these assistants are in relation to the game price - ZOS offers this on sale by themselves for 22€ - I got it for 22€ - steam is offering it as well at that price on sale. so for most the game price is 22€, because they buy on steam sales. Why. because there is not way to try this game out. This is another thing where ZOS is too greedy - well, they had this free weekend end of last year, what brought them lots of new customers like me. But they are too greedy to make this a permanent offer for people to test before they buy. They want to sell the cat in the sack and they do that with false promises - trailers which show things, which are not in the game and items with missing features in relation to what they advertise (assistants). This is not ok.
Fair enough. I see properly spicing a meal as far more necessary than having a mobile banker or shop in game. Which is why I compared it to the setting.
But using pepper as the example, that means if you want a side of chips or salad (DLC) it will be less than the pepper. That makes me happy. I would still be satisfied without the pepper, but I would be hungry without the extra food.
I'm happy to have non essential game items be expensive if the parts that heavily enrich my game experience are cheaper.
The point of my metaphor was, that pepper is already in the meal. But I want just a little bit more of it and get charged for that more than the whole meal costed me. And that is not right, it is greed, and no one should accept that, regardless if he can pay for it. This is not about the money, this is about morals. Greed should not be supported.
A more accurate metaphor would be that you like peppers. You have access to peppers in your store, but you'd rather have the peppers delivered. The delivery cost is extremely expensive. So you decide, do I go to the store, or do I cough up for the convenience.
No restaurant on earth would charge you the cost of the whole meal for the sake of a bit of pepper. for instance. Not because it has a moral imperative, it's just that it knows no-one would buy it. A financial redundancy.
Of course, there are restaurants who would give you free extra pepper any time you buy their food - but that's because that keeps you coming back to spend money on already over-priced food. This is also not a moral imperative. It is a financial one.0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭CaptainBeerDude wrote: »EstelioVeleth wrote: »5. So if you really want to make a difference on crown store pricing, speak with your wallet. Dont spend. Force the devs to listen.
That will never happen, reading the posts of some people rubbing it in our faces that they are responsible adults with a job that allows them to overpay stuff xD. So most likely prices will only go up because people are ok with paying for a costume the same amount of money they pay for another game.
And again for those people justifying it with "having a job", it is a bit silly, because what tells you the OP or the others that disagree cant afford to purchase the item? They just dont want to and refuse to do it because they find it too expensive and have the right to do so, just as they have the right to state their opinion without having assumptions made about their social class. If it wouldnt be for people like OP that disagree, all of you would end up paying 100 dollars soon for a costume that is just re-textured a bit.
However my idea why ZOS is putting the prices so high for such a useless thing is because they want to make people actually PLAY the game, find the motif on their own, work for their achievements, and leave the ones that want everything to be easily given buy it. That is why, the imperial dlc is 2.500 crowns but the motif 5.000, sounds insane and makes no sense, except it does, because you CAN have the DLC with some gaming content and find the motif on your own, it takes time and the drop rates are probably not amazing, so it is easier to just say "I will buy that motif instead" so ZOS would be stupid NOT to make money out of people like those.
Their reputation is already pretty bad and they made it even worse with it. Especially at a time where so much is broken or not working properly. I have to reboot my whole system to have a chance to play the game, because their clients do not work properly. I have crashes and I have sound issues. Their service quality is low, I should not have to reboot my system to have a chance to play the game, and at this point in time they make another blatant cash grab - this sheds a really bad light on them.CaptainBeerDude wrote: »CaptainBeerDude wrote: »@Lysette it is completely fine to look at the prices and not see value. Some of the prices don't seem like good value to me and I don't buy those items. If they do, then I buy them. Sometimes things I want are more expensive than I want to pay for them, which means it's poor value for me. If they go on special, maybe they reach a price that I'm willing to pay. Now it's giving me value. You said you run your own business/es, so you should be familiar with this (more than me at least), and realise that some of the extra money generated is going into game production. There really isn't anything we can do about shareholders wanting a slice as well and ZOS trying to keep them quiet.
I'll take cheaper DLC and more expensive vanity items any day of the week.
To me that is about relation between reasonable and greedy - see, say you have a meal in a restaurant and that would be 22€ regular price, but you want a little bit more pepper - pepper is already in the meal, but you want a little bit more of it - and they charge you 35€ extra for this little bit more pepper. How do you feel about that?- And this is not different from charging 35€ for that little bit more, what is already in the game (the assistant), while the whole game costs 22 Euro on sale. This is greed, this is not reasonable and it is blatant. ZOS should be ashamed of it.
I wouldn't have the extra pepper. I regularly get additions to my ordered food, but only because I find the increased value of the food to me is worth the extra cost. If it prices above what I'm willing to pay for it, I don't get it. Simples.
Also, I wouldn't compare it to pepper. It's more like wanting to use different shaped cutlery or having a different plate or asking them to change the table cloth. They could do all of these non-standard things for you, but they can ask what they want in return. If having a blue table cloth instead of a white one means that much to you, go for it. Me, I'll wait until they have a special where it only costs a small amount to change the table cloth.
And if you subscribe, you already get free crowns. You must be running out of stuff to buy by now...
Yeah I have crowns just sitting there waiting for something reasonable to buy. I buy extra crowns once in a while on top of it. I have most items in the crown shop, but I refuse to buy what I think is unreasonable and a blatant cash grab.
I chose pepper in this example, because it is already in the game just like bankers and merchants. And I just want a little bit more of it and would have to pay more than the whole meal costs - this is just like what these assistants are in relation to the game price - ZOS offers this on sale by themselves for 22€ - I got it for 22€ - steam is offering it as well at that price on sale. so for most the game price is 22€, because they buy on steam sales. Why. because there is not way to try this game out. This is another thing where ZOS is too greedy - well, they had this free weekend end of last year, what brought them lots of new customers like me. But they are too greedy to make this a permanent offer for people to test before they buy. They want to sell the cat in the sack and they do that with false promises - trailers which show things, which are not in the game and items with missing features in relation to what they advertise (assistants). This is not ok.
Fair enough. I see properly spicing a meal as far more necessary than having a mobile banker or shop in game. Which is why I compared it to the setting.
But using pepper as the example, that means if you want a side of chips or salad (DLC) it will be less than the pepper. That makes me happy. I would still be satisfied without the pepper, but I would be hungry without the extra food.
I'm happy to have non essential game items be expensive if the parts that heavily enrich my game experience are cheaper.
The point of my metaphor was, that pepper is already in the meal. But I want just a little bit more of it and get charged for that more than the whole meal costed me. And that is not right, it is greed, and no one should accept that, regardless if he can pay for it. This is not about the money, this is about morals. Greed should not be supported.
A more accurate metaphor would be that you like peppers. You have access to peppers in your store, but you'd rather have the peppers delivered. The delivery cost is extremely expensive. So you decide, do I go to the store, or do I cough up for the convenience.
No restaurant on earth would charge you the cost of the whole meal for the sake of a bit of pepper. for instance. Not because it has a moral imperative, it's just that it knows no-one would buy it. A financial redundancy.
Of course, there are restaurants who would give you free extra pepper any time you buy their food - but that's because that keeps you coming back to spend money on already over-priced food. This is also not a moral imperative. It is a financial one.
Let's agree to disagree - I cannot get my point through and you don't get yours through my morals, greed is evil.0 -
Flynch✭✭✭✭CaptainBeerDude wrote: »EstelioVeleth wrote: »5. So if you really want to make a difference on crown store pricing, speak with your wallet. Dont spend. Force the devs to listen.
That will never happen, reading the posts of some people rubbing it in our faces that they are responsible adults with a job that allows them to overpay stuff xD. So most likely prices will only go up because people are ok with paying for a costume the same amount of money they pay for another game.
And again for those people justifying it with "having a job", it is a bit silly, because what tells you the OP or the others that disagree cant afford to purchase the item? They just dont want to and refuse to do it because they find it too expensive and have the right to do so, just as they have the right to state their opinion without having assumptions made about their social class. If it wouldnt be for people like OP that disagree, all of you would end up paying 100 dollars soon for a costume that is just re-textured a bit.
However my idea why ZOS is putting the prices so high for such a useless thing is because they want to make people actually PLAY the game, find the motif on their own, work for their achievements, and leave the ones that want everything to be easily given buy it. That is why, the imperial dlc is 2.500 crowns but the motif 5.000, sounds insane and makes no sense, except it does, because you CAN have the DLC with some gaming content and find the motif on your own, it takes time and the drop rates are probably not amazing, so it is easier to just say "I will buy that motif instead" so ZOS would be stupid NOT to make money out of people like those.
Their reputation is already pretty bad and they made it even worse with it. Especially at a time where so much is broken or not working properly. I have to reboot my whole system to have a chance to play the game, because their clients do not work properly. I have crashes and I have sound issues. Their service quality is low, I should not have to reboot my system to have a chance to play the game, and at this point in time they make another blatant cash grab - this sheds a really bad light on them.CaptainBeerDude wrote: »CaptainBeerDude wrote: »@Lysette it is completely fine to look at the prices and not see value. Some of the prices don't seem like good value to me and I don't buy those items. If they do, then I buy them. Sometimes things I want are more expensive than I want to pay for them, which means it's poor value for me. If they go on special, maybe they reach a price that I'm willing to pay. Now it's giving me value. You said you run your own business/es, so you should be familiar with this (more than me at least), and realise that some of the extra money generated is going into game production. There really isn't anything we can do about shareholders wanting a slice as well and ZOS trying to keep them quiet.
I'll take cheaper DLC and more expensive vanity items any day of the week.
To me that is about relation between reasonable and greedy - see, say you have a meal in a restaurant and that would be 22€ regular price, but you want a little bit more pepper - pepper is already in the meal, but you want a little bit more of it - and they charge you 35€ extra for this little bit more pepper. How do you feel about that?- And this is not different from charging 35€ for that little bit more, what is already in the game (the assistant), while the whole game costs 22 Euro on sale. This is greed, this is not reasonable and it is blatant. ZOS should be ashamed of it.
I wouldn't have the extra pepper. I regularly get additions to my ordered food, but only because I find the increased value of the food to me is worth the extra cost. If it prices above what I'm willing to pay for it, I don't get it. Simples.
Also, I wouldn't compare it to pepper. It's more like wanting to use different shaped cutlery or having a different plate or asking them to change the table cloth. They could do all of these non-standard things for you, but they can ask what they want in return. If having a blue table cloth instead of a white one means that much to you, go for it. Me, I'll wait until they have a special where it only costs a small amount to change the table cloth.
And if you subscribe, you already get free crowns. You must be running out of stuff to buy by now...
Yeah I have crowns just sitting there waiting for something reasonable to buy. I buy extra crowns once in a while on top of it. I have most items in the crown shop, but I refuse to buy what I think is unreasonable and a blatant cash grab.
I chose pepper in this example, because it is already in the game just like bankers and merchants. And I just want a little bit more of it and would have to pay more than the whole meal costs - this is just like what these assistants are in relation to the game price - ZOS offers this on sale by themselves for 22€ - I got it for 22€ - steam is offering it as well at that price on sale. so for most the game price is 22€, because they buy on steam sales. Why. because there is not way to try this game out. This is another thing where ZOS is too greedy - well, they had this free weekend end of last year, what brought them lots of new customers like me. But they are too greedy to make this a permanent offer for people to test before they buy. They want to sell the cat in the sack and they do that with false promises - trailers which show things, which are not in the game and items with missing features in relation to what they advertise (assistants). This is not ok.
Fair enough. I see properly spicing a meal as far more necessary than having a mobile banker or shop in game. Which is why I compared it to the setting.
But using pepper as the example, that means if you want a side of chips or salad (DLC) it will be less than the pepper. That makes me happy. I would still be satisfied without the pepper, but I would be hungry without the extra food.
I'm happy to have non essential game items be expensive if the parts that heavily enrich my game experience are cheaper.
The point of my metaphor was, that pepper is already in the meal. But I want just a little bit more of it and get charged for that more than the whole meal costed me. And that is not right, it is greed, and no one should accept that, regardless if he can pay for it. This is not about the money, this is about morals. Greed should not be supported.
A more accurate metaphor would be that you like peppers. You have access to peppers in your store, but you'd rather have the peppers delivered. The delivery cost is extremely expensive. So you decide, do I go to the store, or do I cough up for the convenience.
No restaurant on earth would charge you the cost of the whole meal for the sake of a bit of pepper. for instance. Not because it has a moral imperative, it's just that it knows no-one would buy it. A financial redundancy.
Of course, there are restaurants who would give you free extra pepper any time you buy their food - but that's because that keeps you coming back to spend money on already over-priced food. This is also not a moral imperative. It is a financial one.
Let's agree to disagree - I cannot get my point through and you don't get yours through my morals, greed is evil.
Yeah no problem - back to EvE for me. Hope this thread stays decently harmless!
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✭✭✭✭✭CaptainBeerDude wrote: »EstelioVeleth wrote: »5. So if you really want to make a difference on crown store pricing, speak with your wallet. Dont spend. Force the devs to listen.
That will never happen, reading the posts of some people rubbing it in our faces that they are responsible adults with a job that allows them to overpay stuff xD. So most likely prices will only go up because people are ok with paying for a costume the same amount of money they pay for another game.
And again for those people justifying it with "having a job", it is a bit silly, because what tells you the OP or the others that disagree cant afford to purchase the item? They just dont want to and refuse to do it because they find it too expensive and have the right to do so, just as they have the right to state their opinion without having assumptions made about their social class. If it wouldnt be for people like OP that disagree, all of you would end up paying 100 dollars soon for a costume that is just re-textured a bit.
However my idea why ZOS is putting the prices so high for such a useless thing is because they want to make people actually PLAY the game, find the motif on their own, work for their achievements, and leave the ones that want everything to be easily given buy it. That is why, the imperial dlc is 2.500 crowns but the motif 5.000, sounds insane and makes no sense, except it does, because you CAN have the DLC with some gaming content and find the motif on your own, it takes time and the drop rates are probably not amazing, so it is easier to just say "I will buy that motif instead" so ZOS would be stupid NOT to make money out of people like those.
Their reputation is already pretty bad and they made it even worse with it. Especially at a time where so much is broken or not working properly. I have to reboot my whole system to have a chance to play the game, because their clients do not work properly. I have crashes and I have sound issues. Their service quality is low, I should not have to reboot my system to have a chance to play the game, and at this point in time they make another blatant cash grab - this sheds a really bad light on them.CaptainBeerDude wrote: »CaptainBeerDude wrote: »@Lysette it is completely fine to look at the prices and not see value. Some of the prices don't seem like good value to me and I don't buy those items. If they do, then I buy them. Sometimes things I want are more expensive than I want to pay for them, which means it's poor value for me. If they go on special, maybe they reach a price that I'm willing to pay. Now it's giving me value. You said you run your own business/es, so you should be familiar with this (more than me at least), and realise that some of the extra money generated is going into game production. There really isn't anything we can do about shareholders wanting a slice as well and ZOS trying to keep them quiet.
I'll take cheaper DLC and more expensive vanity items any day of the week.
To me that is about relation between reasonable and greedy - see, say you have a meal in a restaurant and that would be 22€ regular price, but you want a little bit more pepper - pepper is already in the meal, but you want a little bit more of it - and they charge you 35€ extra for this little bit more pepper. How do you feel about that?- And this is not different from charging 35€ for that little bit more, what is already in the game (the assistant), while the whole game costs 22 Euro on sale. This is greed, this is not reasonable and it is blatant. ZOS should be ashamed of it.
I wouldn't have the extra pepper. I regularly get additions to my ordered food, but only because I find the increased value of the food to me is worth the extra cost. If it prices above what I'm willing to pay for it, I don't get it. Simples.
Also, I wouldn't compare it to pepper. It's more like wanting to use different shaped cutlery or having a different plate or asking them to change the table cloth. They could do all of these non-standard things for you, but they can ask what they want in return. If having a blue table cloth instead of a white one means that much to you, go for it. Me, I'll wait until they have a special where it only costs a small amount to change the table cloth.
And if you subscribe, you already get free crowns. You must be running out of stuff to buy by now...
Yeah I have crowns just sitting there waiting for something reasonable to buy. I buy extra crowns once in a while on top of it. I have most items in the crown shop, but I refuse to buy what I think is unreasonable and a blatant cash grab.
I chose pepper in this example, because it is already in the game just like bankers and merchants. And I just want a little bit more of it and would have to pay more than the whole meal costs - this is just like what these assistants are in relation to the game price - ZOS offers this on sale by themselves for 22€ - I got it for 22€ - steam is offering it as well at that price on sale. so for most the game price is 22€, because they buy on steam sales. Why. because there is not way to try this game out. This is another thing where ZOS is too greedy - well, they had this free weekend end of last year, what brought them lots of new customers like me. But they are too greedy to make this a permanent offer for people to test before they buy. They want to sell the cat in the sack and they do that with false promises - trailers which show things, which are not in the game and items with missing features in relation to what they advertise (assistants). This is not ok.
Fair enough. I see properly spicing a meal as far more necessary than having a mobile banker or shop in game. Which is why I compared it to the setting.
But using pepper as the example, that means if you want a side of chips or salad (DLC) it will be less than the pepper. That makes me happy. I would still be satisfied without the pepper, but I would be hungry without the extra food.
I'm happy to have non essential game items be expensive if the parts that heavily enrich my game experience are cheaper.
The point of my metaphor was, that pepper is already in the meal. But I want just a little bit more of it and get charged for that more than the whole meal costed me. And that is not right, it is greed, and no one should accept that, regardless if he can pay for it. This is not about the money, this is about morals. Greed should not be supported.
A more accurate metaphor would be that you like peppers. You have access to peppers in your store, but you'd rather have the peppers delivered. The delivery cost is extremely expensive. So you decide, do I go to the store, or do I cough up for the convenience.
No restaurant on earth would charge you the cost of the whole meal for the sake of a bit of pepper. for instance. Not because it has a moral imperative, it's just that it knows no-one would buy it. A financial redundancy.
Of course, there are restaurants who would give you free extra pepper any time you buy their food - but that's because that keeps you coming back to spend money on already over-priced food. This is also not a moral imperative. It is a financial one.
Let's agree to disagree - I cannot get my point through and you don't get yours through my morals, greed is evil.
Yeah no problem - back to EvE for me. Hope this thread stays decently harmless!
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✭✭MrDenimChicken wrote: »First thing you see when you log in:
CROWN STORE!: pay for this skin or quality of life thingy for 4000 crowns. Four. Thousand. Crowns.
yeah DLC's or expansions sure, justified. But 4000 crowns for a freaking motif that isn't even that great looking (I know that's subjective, but it does not look like that detailed to me).
come on guys! this is crazy! I know it's a business but you guys make it too obvious what your #1 priority is.
I know people on forums over react to stuff but this just looks so bad and greedy. Makes the company look totally desperate for cash.
just reminds me of the greedy release with 1 gold per mob and 42k horse price debacle
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Solid_Metal✭✭✭✭✭greed?, are you kidding me?, all of those are just cosmetics, its expensive sure yeah, the same could be said on every other B2P and F2P MMO with cash shop system.
BDO?, the costum is expensive as hell, ESO still more quite cheap compare to them, and ESO also offer huge range of armor style for you, not like BDO where every armor are the same, thus you want to stylish?, you must pay for the expensive costume in BDO
this game so far imo got quite fair cash shop, its expensive?, so be it, its just a cosmetic anyway, but if they put P2W/OP item on the cash shop then you have a reason to furious, as for now, i dont see any reasonEdited by Solid_Metal on April 20, 2016 2:56AM"i will walk through the fog, as i welcome death"1 -
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✭✭MrDenimChicken wrote: »First thing you see when you log in:
CROWN STORE!: pay for this skin or quality of life thingy for 4000 crowns. Four. Thousand. Crowns.
yeah DLC's or expansions sure, justified. But 4000 crowns for a freaking motif that isn't even that great looking (I know that's subjective, but it does not look like that detailed to me).
come on guys! this is crazy! I know it's a business but you guys make it too obvious what your #1 priority is.
I know people on forums over react to stuff but this just looks so bad and greedy. Makes the company look totally desperate for cash.
just reminds me of the greedy release with 1 gold per mob and 42k horse price debacle
Not p2W. That's all I care about. They go P2W, 2,137 players are logging out!0 -
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From my point of view of a player who bought vanilla client and never paid any more for game content, I say ZOS isn't greedy at all. The balance between subs and non-subs is brilliant in ESO, in favour of non-subs ofc, which makes me smile each time I start a gameMrDenimChicken wrote: »I know people on forums over react to stuff but this just looks so bad and greedy. Makes the company look totally desperate for cash.
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To non-subs like me game is offering a lot of interesting content, which in other games is usually restricted to subscribers only. I'm grateful to ZOS for how they set the level of restrictions and possibilities. For example I can have all the rare motifs without spending a crown, just by playing game in a hard way, earning gold etc. I can also have 4 mounts, ok they are all horses, but they are mounts and can be trained too for gold and time. I accept that the exotic mounts are restricted to subs/crown. I don't need costumes. I don't need DLC (for now).
So called money purchasing power in my country is still 3 - 4 times lower than in US, so the crown-related items are simply very expensive for me. I can imagine that if the price would be 3-4 times lower for me, I'll be able to buy many items from store. But honestly this isn't the point. I could afford some crowns even now, to buy a rare mount, but at this time I simply don't need it. I'm happy that game does not impose hard conditions for non-subs and crown store isn't the first screen I see every time I log into the game. But even if it was a first screen, I'd accept that. Like with a jubilee cake, but it was not intrusive. For me, ZOS isn't greedy, it just makes offers for products, which we can or cannot buy. Our choice.Edited by Gargath on April 20, 2016 8:18AMPC EU (PL): 14 characters. ESO player since 06.08.2015. Farkas finest quote: "Some people don't think I'm smart. Those people get my fist. But you, I like."0
