so much greed in this game by developers...
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Lysette✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭MrDenimChicken wrote: »First thing you see when you log in:
CROWN STORE!: pay for this skin or quality of life thingy for 4000 crowns. Four. Thousand. Crowns.
yeah DLC's or expansions sure, justified. But 4000 crowns for a freaking motif that isn't even that great looking (I know that's subjective, but it does not look like that detailed to me).
come on guys! this is crazy! I know it's a business but you guys make it too obvious what your #1 priority is.
I know people on forums over react to stuff but this just looks so bad and greedy. Makes the company look totally desperate for cash.
just reminds me of the greedy release with 1 gold per mob and 42k horse price debacle
Yeah... The 1 gold thing was never really a "thing". I've been playing since the beta and that was never true. I honestly don't know where people got that ridiculous idea, but ESO has always had the same progression based economy as every other MMO.
At low levels you get small drops and quest rewards. As you move to higher level areas those drops get progressively bigger. So, yeah, if you're grinding mobs in Kenarthi's Roost you're only getting 1 gold off mobs. That's a level 3-6 zone though. That gradually increases as you move through the different areas of each zone. You can also sell more items and get better quest rewards as you progress through the game. It's the same as, well, every other RPG I've ever played.
You make money the same way in ESO today as we were before the game officially released.
I've seen this statement twice today. Where did people get this idea from???
Because it was that way when the first reviews came out and this impression went viral then on the web - tiny things like this can decide about good and bad for a company. Just look at Zynga and their poker game. They gave it a more elegant look, people hated it, it failed. Or their farmville, they wanted to put it on mobiles - and it failed there and in the wake of this failing, their former top brand game lost hundreds of millions $ revenue as well on facebook. Small things like that can cost a lot of money, when costumers feel uncomfortable with it. And so ZOS failed as well their expectations with their first launch, because they made last minute decisions, with p*ssed a lot of fans off including me - like first they announced 3 factions, 3 races each - and then at launch the imperial edition, which ruined the whole concept, or at least many felt this way and did not join.
Weird, I'm still curious as to how that started. As far as I can tell nothing has changed. You also don't hear people saying things like that about other MMOs.
Lol, could you imagine someone saying the same thing about another game? "You need to grind 10,000 skeletons in Deathknell (Forsaken starting zone in WoW for those who are not familiar) because they only drop 1 copper a piece just to get a Mount! But if you spend $25 on Blizzard's cash shop, you won't have to do that! See, 'Corporate Greed'/'P2W'!"
Hah! Everyone would tell that person that they're stupid... Because that's just ridiculous. Who does that?
Back when ESO released, we were making money by questing, selling junk items, crafting and selling green/blue/purple items, selling crafting materials, and by getting better and better gold drops as we leveled.
Making money now is done pretty much the same way it was done back then, with the exception of "stealing" (it wasn't nailed down, I call dibs).
So yeah, it's still a mystery to me how people got this idea into their heads that ZoS ever intended for players to farm tens of thousands of level 4 skeletons just to get a mount. Like, that was just never a thing, and if anyone ever tried to make that claim about any other game they would just be called idiots.
Well Angry Joe's first review did the trick - one of his reviews which was mainly about greed and like he put it, the "painfully average" game play. And IMO he was right, all videos I saw about game play were pointless and boring to me. then he did one where he played with his girl friend and they tested the grouping system and quested. Every mob 1 gold, every boss they made 2 gold. They might not have done a lot of testing, but that is what it gets to, when the loot is greedily low. And ZOS had to pay for this, because a lot have seen these reviews and Angry Joe is not the only one who has damned the game - IMO for the right reasons, I did not join as well because it put me off - this play every race in every faction thing - we put a lot of thought into which alliance to join and the pro and cons of race combinations, among friends who loved TES games. We had long discussions per email about this for months - and that was all destroyed by suddenly releasing the imperial edition and play every race in every faction - that p*issed us off - and you can find a lot of videos on the web from people who felt exactly the same. That happens, when a company makes decisons, where potential customers are not comfortable with. To me the whole Alliance war is pointless since then, and why I have no interest to take part in it. To me it is nonsensical like this.
Interesting. I remember the bugs and the phasing being really, really bad. I preordered the game and got the Explorer's pack as a preorder bonus. I guess the faction thing never had the same effect on me because I've been able to do any race/ any faction since beta... Not that it matters, I play High Elves, Wood Elves, or Khajit and my favorite alliance is the Aldmeri Dominion. (My reasons? Kate Beckinsale is effing hot, even her voice, especially her voice! And Razum Dar, 'nuff said.)
I digress, I have a pet monkey and lizard thing, and I can't relate to the faction issue.
As far as Angry Joe goes. He's an idiot. Seriously. Watch his other reviews for other games. That dude is just pulling in a YouTube advertising paycheck and I can't tell if he's lying or if he's legitimately just that bad at the games he plays. Watch his stuff and you'll notice the same trend with everything he reviews - if there's the slightest hint of complexity or something isn't immediately obvious, he hates it.
Do yourself a favor, don't listen to him.
Well, I judge on my own, but when I watch his videos afterwards, I find often that it is just what I thought about that game as well, what he is reviewing. Not always, but most of the time. It might not be your kind of review style, but it is mine. I agree with most what he says about games, maybe because I expect similar things as he does and for you different things are more important than his's. I find as well his review style entertaining, but you don't have to agree with me of course.
In expected a meaningful Alliance war, with fixed race combinations, just like they were advertised. I did not know about the play any race in every alliance thing until I saw the launch annoucement. And I was shocked, what is the purpose of a war about the empire, when all factions are multi-culti anyway?- There is no point in it. And how it is implemented it is exactly like I expected. Pointless, meaningless and painfully average on top of it. Angry Joe liked the pvp part, that is where I do not agree with him, I hate it, I wanted a meaningful and impactful alliance war which ends in the reign of a player emperor - nothing of this is in the game, nothing at all. Our whole TES fan group did not join and they are so put off, that I cannot even get them now to even take a look at it - they are p*issed forever and lost customers.
Well I would not have given it a 2nd chance as well, but a friend in EVE online told me about that it has changed a lot to the better and he told me about the free weekend to try it out - well I tried it out and joined. If it was not about him, I would have dropped ESO forever - just due to the bad experience when the imperial edition was suddenly announced right before launch. And all the reviews I saw supported this impression - greed, even bait and switch came to mind - advertise one thing, deliver another. i was really disappointed and TES online was dead for me ... well until end of last year. But the alliance war is still dead for me.0 -
srfrogg23✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭MrDenimChicken wrote: »MrDenimChicken wrote: »First thing you see when you log in:
CROWN STORE!: pay for this skin or quality of life thingy for 4000 crowns. Four. Thousand. Crowns.
yeah DLC's or expansions sure, justified. But 4000 crowns for a freaking motif that isn't even that great looking (I know that's subjective, but it does not look like that detailed to me).
come on guys! this is crazy! I know it's a business but you guys make it too obvious what your #1 priority is.
I know people on forums over react to stuff but this just looks so bad and greedy. Makes the company look totally desperate for cash.
just reminds me of the greedy release with 1 gold per mob and 42k horse price debacle
Yeah... The 1 gold thing was never really a "thing". I've been playing since the beta and that was never true. I honestly don't know where people got that ridiculous idea, but ESO has always had the same progression based economy as every other MMO.
At low levels you get small drops and quest rewards. As you move to higher level areas those drops get progressively bigger. So, yeah, if you're grinding mobs in Kenarthi's Roost you're only getting 1 gold off mobs. That's a level 3-6 zone though. That gradually increases as you move through the different areas of each zone. You can also sell more items and get better quest rewards as you progress through the game. It's the same as, well, every other RPG I've ever played.
You make money the same way in ESO today as we were before the game officially released.
I've seen this statement twice today. Where did people get this idea from???
Because it was that way when the first reviews came out and this impression went viral then on the web - tiny things like this can decide about good and bad for a company. Just look at Zynga and their poker game. They gave it a more elegant look, people hated it, it failed. Or their farmville, they wanted to put it on mobiles - and it failed there and in the wake of this failing, their former top brand game lost hundreds of millions $ revenue as well on facebook. Small things like that can cost a lot of money, when costumers feel uncomfortable with it. And so ZOS failed as well their expectations with their first launch, because they made last minute decisions, with p*ssed a lot of fans off including me - like first they announced 3 factions, 3 races each - and then at launch the imperial edition, which ruined the whole concept, or at least many felt this way and did not join.
Weird, I'm still curious as to how that started. As far as I can tell nothing has changed. You also don't hear people saying things like that about other MMOs.
Lol, could you imagine someone saying the same thing about another game? "You need to grind 10,000 skeletons in Deathknell (Forsaken starting zone in WoW for those who are not familiar) because they only drop 1 copper a piece just to get a Mount! But if you spend $25 on Blizzard's cash shop, you won't have to do that! See, 'Corporate Greed'/'P2W'!"
Hah! Everyone would tell that person that they're stupid... Because that's just ridiculous. Who does that?
Back when ESO released, we were making money by questing, selling junk items, crafting and selling green/blue/purple items, selling crafting materials, and by getting better and better gold drops as we leveled.
Making money now is done pretty much the same way it was done back then, with the exception of "stealing" (it wasn't nailed down, I call dibs).
So yeah, it's still a mystery to me how people got this idea into their heads that ZoS ever intended for players to farm tens of thousands of level 4 skeletons just to get a mount. Like, that was just never a thing, and if anyone ever tried to make that claim about any other game they would just be called idiots.
Well Angry Joe's first review did the trick - one of his reviews which was mainly about greed and like he put it, the "painfully average" game play. And IMO he was right, all videos I saw about game play were pointless and boring to me. then he did one where he played with his girl friend and they tested the grouping system and quested. Every mob 1 gold, every boss they made 2 gold. They might not have done a lot of testing, but that is what it gets to, when the loot is greedily low. And ZOS had to pay for this, because a lot have seen these reviews and Angry Joe is not the only one who has damned the game - IMO for the right reasons, I did not join as well because it put me off - this play every race in every faction thing - we put a lot of thought into which alliance to join and the pro and cons of race combinations, among friends who loved TES games. We had long discussions per email about this for months - and that was all destroyed by suddenly releasing the imperial edition and play every race in every faction - that p*issed us off - and you can find a lot of videos on the web from people who felt exactly the same. That happens, when a company makes decisons, where potential customers are not comfortable with. To me the whole Alliance war is pointless since then, and why I have no interest to take part in it. To me it is nonsensical like this.
Interesting. I remember the bugs and the phasing being really, really bad. I preordered the game and got the Explorer's pack as a preorder bonus. I guess the faction thing never had the same effect on me because I've been able to do any race/ any faction since beta... Not that it matters, I play High Elves, Wood Elves, or Khajit and my favorite alliance is the Aldmeri Dominion. (My reasons? Kate Beckinsale is effing hot, even her voice, especially her voice! And Razum Dar, 'nuff said.)
I digress, I have a pet monkey and lizard thing, and I can't relate to the faction issue.
As far as Angry Joe goes. He's an idiot. Seriously. Watch his other reviews for other games. That dude is just pulling in a YouTube advertising paycheck and I can't tell if he's lying or if he's legitimately just that bad at the games he plays. Watch his stuff and you'll notice the same trend with everything he reviews - if there's the slightest hint of complexity or something isn't immediately obvious, he hates it.
Do yourself a favor, don't listen to him.
I find myself agreeing with him on many games after I had already played the game extensively, ESO included (at launch).
IDK what complexity to which you are referring. It's not like ESO was majorly complex or anything at launch.
If he's the one that started the whole "farming 42k gold from mobs for 1 gold each thing", then yes, he's an idiot.
You're making money in ESO today, the same way you would have made it back during release.
But, hey, it's not my prerogative to tell you that you're probably spending money on some crap games or missing out on some good experiences based solely on his bias induced circus act.0 -
Lysette✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭MrDenimChicken wrote: »MrDenimChicken wrote: »First thing you see when you log in:
CROWN STORE!: pay for this skin or quality of life thingy for 4000 crowns. Four. Thousand. Crowns.
yeah DLC's or expansions sure, justified. But 4000 crowns for a freaking motif that isn't even that great looking (I know that's subjective, but it does not look like that detailed to me).
come on guys! this is crazy! I know it's a business but you guys make it too obvious what your #1 priority is.
I know people on forums over react to stuff but this just looks so bad and greedy. Makes the company look totally desperate for cash.
just reminds me of the greedy release with 1 gold per mob and 42k horse price debacle
Yeah... The 1 gold thing was never really a "thing". I've been playing since the beta and that was never true. I honestly don't know where people got that ridiculous idea, but ESO has always had the same progression based economy as every other MMO.
At low levels you get small drops and quest rewards. As you move to higher level areas those drops get progressively bigger. So, yeah, if you're grinding mobs in Kenarthi's Roost you're only getting 1 gold off mobs. That's a level 3-6 zone though. That gradually increases as you move through the different areas of each zone. You can also sell more items and get better quest rewards as you progress through the game. It's the same as, well, every other RPG I've ever played.
You make money the same way in ESO today as we were before the game officially released.
I've seen this statement twice today. Where did people get this idea from???
Because it was that way when the first reviews came out and this impression went viral then on the web - tiny things like this can decide about good and bad for a company. Just look at Zynga and their poker game. They gave it a more elegant look, people hated it, it failed. Or their farmville, they wanted to put it on mobiles - and it failed there and in the wake of this failing, their former top brand game lost hundreds of millions $ revenue as well on facebook. Small things like that can cost a lot of money, when costumers feel uncomfortable with it. And so ZOS failed as well their expectations with their first launch, because they made last minute decisions, with p*ssed a lot of fans off including me - like first they announced 3 factions, 3 races each - and then at launch the imperial edition, which ruined the whole concept, or at least many felt this way and did not join.
Weird, I'm still curious as to how that started. As far as I can tell nothing has changed. You also don't hear people saying things like that about other MMOs.
Lol, could you imagine someone saying the same thing about another game? "You need to grind 10,000 skeletons in Deathknell (Forsaken starting zone in WoW for those who are not familiar) because they only drop 1 copper a piece just to get a Mount! But if you spend $25 on Blizzard's cash shop, you won't have to do that! See, 'Corporate Greed'/'P2W'!"
Hah! Everyone would tell that person that they're stupid... Because that's just ridiculous. Who does that?
Back when ESO released, we were making money by questing, selling junk items, crafting and selling green/blue/purple items, selling crafting materials, and by getting better and better gold drops as we leveled.
Making money now is done pretty much the same way it was done back then, with the exception of "stealing" (it wasn't nailed down, I call dibs).
So yeah, it's still a mystery to me how people got this idea into their heads that ZoS ever intended for players to farm tens of thousands of level 4 skeletons just to get a mount. Like, that was just never a thing, and if anyone ever tried to make that claim about any other game they would just be called idiots.
Well Angry Joe's first review did the trick - one of his reviews which was mainly about greed and like he put it, the "painfully average" game play. And IMO he was right, all videos I saw about game play were pointless and boring to me. then he did one where he played with his girl friend and they tested the grouping system and quested. Every mob 1 gold, every boss they made 2 gold. They might not have done a lot of testing, but that is what it gets to, when the loot is greedily low. And ZOS had to pay for this, because a lot have seen these reviews and Angry Joe is not the only one who has damned the game - IMO for the right reasons, I did not join as well because it put me off - this play every race in every faction thing - we put a lot of thought into which alliance to join and the pro and cons of race combinations, among friends who loved TES games. We had long discussions per email about this for months - and that was all destroyed by suddenly releasing the imperial edition and play every race in every faction - that p*issed us off - and you can find a lot of videos on the web from people who felt exactly the same. That happens, when a company makes decisons, where potential customers are not comfortable with. To me the whole Alliance war is pointless since then, and why I have no interest to take part in it. To me it is nonsensical like this.
Interesting. I remember the bugs and the phasing being really, really bad. I preordered the game and got the Explorer's pack as a preorder bonus. I guess the faction thing never had the same effect on me because I've been able to do any race/ any faction since beta... Not that it matters, I play High Elves, Wood Elves, or Khajit and my favorite alliance is the Aldmeri Dominion. (My reasons? Kate Beckinsale is effing hot, even her voice, especially her voice! And Razum Dar, 'nuff said.)
I digress, I have a pet monkey and lizard thing, and I can't relate to the faction issue.
As far as Angry Joe goes. He's an idiot. Seriously. Watch his other reviews for other games. That dude is just pulling in a YouTube advertising paycheck and I can't tell if he's lying or if he's legitimately just that bad at the games he plays. Watch his stuff and you'll notice the same trend with everything he reviews - if there's the slightest hint of complexity or something isn't immediately obvious, he hates it.
Do yourself a favor, don't listen to him.
I find myself agreeing with him on many games after I had already played the game extensively, ESO included (at launch).
IDK what complexity to which you are referring. It's not like ESO was majorly complex or anything at launch.
If he's the one that started the whole "farming 42k gold from mobs for 1 gold each thing", then yes, he's an idiot.
You're making money in ESO today, the same way you would have made it back during release.
But, hey, it's not my prerogative to tell you that you're probably spending money on some crap games or missing out on some good experiences based solely on his bias induced circus act.
Well of course it is biased, it is an opinion, not an objective thing. There is no objective review possible with gaming. Well, one can agree on a game what does not work, but otherwise all is opinion. Some have similar opinions to his's others don't, like you. But you should not say, we are not capable of making our own decisions, just because they are not like yours.
Edit: Angry Joe did not say you have to do thousands of mobs directly - he said sarcastically "well, that is F*ucking generous of you, Zenimax, 1 gold" and then he talked about the price of a horse, which comes with the imperial edition - so if you buy this, you can avoid all this grind, so basically, they "force" you to buy it, if you do not want endless grind to get a horse. And he talked about eso being a "running simulator" you need a horse. Now put this together, all valid arguments - but together they form this impression.Edited by Lysette on April 19, 2016 2:51AM0 -
srfrogg23✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭MrDenimChicken wrote: »MrDenimChicken wrote: »First thing you see when you log in:
CROWN STORE!: pay for this skin or quality of life thingy for 4000 crowns. Four. Thousand. Crowns.
yeah DLC's or expansions sure, justified. But 4000 crowns for a freaking motif that isn't even that great looking (I know that's subjective, but it does not look like that detailed to me).
come on guys! this is crazy! I know it's a business but you guys make it too obvious what your #1 priority is.
I know people on forums over react to stuff but this just looks so bad and greedy. Makes the company look totally desperate for cash.
just reminds me of the greedy release with 1 gold per mob and 42k horse price debacle
Yeah... The 1 gold thing was never really a "thing". I've been playing since the beta and that was never true. I honestly don't know where people got that ridiculous idea, but ESO has always had the same progression based economy as every other MMO.
At low levels you get small drops and quest rewards. As you move to higher level areas those drops get progressively bigger. So, yeah, if you're grinding mobs in Kenarthi's Roost you're only getting 1 gold off mobs. That's a level 3-6 zone though. That gradually increases as you move through the different areas of each zone. You can also sell more items and get better quest rewards as you progress through the game. It's the same as, well, every other RPG I've ever played.
You make money the same way in ESO today as we were before the game officially released.
I've seen this statement twice today. Where did people get this idea from???
Because it was that way when the first reviews came out and this impression went viral then on the web - tiny things like this can decide about good and bad for a company. Just look at Zynga and their poker game. They gave it a more elegant look, people hated it, it failed. Or their farmville, they wanted to put it on mobiles - and it failed there and in the wake of this failing, their former top brand game lost hundreds of millions $ revenue as well on facebook. Small things like that can cost a lot of money, when costumers feel uncomfortable with it. And so ZOS failed as well their expectations with their first launch, because they made last minute decisions, with p*ssed a lot of fans off including me - like first they announced 3 factions, 3 races each - and then at launch the imperial edition, which ruined the whole concept, or at least many felt this way and did not join.
Weird, I'm still curious as to how that started. As far as I can tell nothing has changed. You also don't hear people saying things like that about other MMOs.
Lol, could you imagine someone saying the same thing about another game? "You need to grind 10,000 skeletons in Deathknell (Forsaken starting zone in WoW for those who are not familiar) because they only drop 1 copper a piece just to get a Mount! But if you spend $25 on Blizzard's cash shop, you won't have to do that! See, 'Corporate Greed'/'P2W'!"
Hah! Everyone would tell that person that they're stupid... Because that's just ridiculous. Who does that?
Back when ESO released, we were making money by questing, selling junk items, crafting and selling green/blue/purple items, selling crafting materials, and by getting better and better gold drops as we leveled.
Making money now is done pretty much the same way it was done back then, with the exception of "stealing" (it wasn't nailed down, I call dibs).
So yeah, it's still a mystery to me how people got this idea into their heads that ZoS ever intended for players to farm tens of thousands of level 4 skeletons just to get a mount. Like, that was just never a thing, and if anyone ever tried to make that claim about any other game they would just be called idiots.
Well Angry Joe's first review did the trick - one of his reviews which was mainly about greed and like he put it, the "painfully average" game play. And IMO he was right, all videos I saw about game play were pointless and boring to me. then he did one where he played with his girl friend and they tested the grouping system and quested. Every mob 1 gold, every boss they made 2 gold. They might not have done a lot of testing, but that is what it gets to, when the loot is greedily low. And ZOS had to pay for this, because a lot have seen these reviews and Angry Joe is not the only one who has damned the game - IMO for the right reasons, I did not join as well because it put me off - this play every race in every faction thing - we put a lot of thought into which alliance to join and the pro and cons of race combinations, among friends who loved TES games. We had long discussions per email about this for months - and that was all destroyed by suddenly releasing the imperial edition and play every race in every faction - that p*issed us off - and you can find a lot of videos on the web from people who felt exactly the same. That happens, when a company makes decisons, where potential customers are not comfortable with. To me the whole Alliance war is pointless since then, and why I have no interest to take part in it. To me it is nonsensical like this.
Interesting. I remember the bugs and the phasing being really, really bad. I preordered the game and got the Explorer's pack as a preorder bonus. I guess the faction thing never had the same effect on me because I've been able to do any race/ any faction since beta... Not that it matters, I play High Elves, Wood Elves, or Khajit and my favorite alliance is the Aldmeri Dominion. (My reasons? Kate Beckinsale is effing hot, even her voice, especially her voice! And Razum Dar, 'nuff said.)
I digress, I have a pet monkey and lizard thing, and I can't relate to the faction issue.
As far as Angry Joe goes. He's an idiot. Seriously. Watch his other reviews for other games. That dude is just pulling in a YouTube advertising paycheck and I can't tell if he's lying or if he's legitimately just that bad at the games he plays. Watch his stuff and you'll notice the same trend with everything he reviews - if there's the slightest hint of complexity or something isn't immediately obvious, he hates it.
Do yourself a favor, don't listen to him.
I find myself agreeing with him on many games after I had already played the game extensively, ESO included (at launch).
IDK what complexity to which you are referring. It's not like ESO was majorly complex or anything at launch.
If he's the one that started the whole "farming 42k gold from mobs for 1 gold each thing", then yes, he's an idiot.
You're making money in ESO today, the same way you would have made it back during release.
But, hey, it's not my prerogative to tell you that you're probably spending money on some crap games or missing out on some good experiences based solely on his bias induced circus act.
Well of course it is biased, it is an opinion, not an objective thing. There is no objective review possible with gaming. Well, one can agree on a game what does not work, but otherwise all is opinion. Some have similar opinions to his's others don't, like you. But you should not say, we are not capable of making our own decisions, just because they are not like yours.
Edit: Angry Joe did not say you have to do thousands of mobs directly - he said sarcastically "well, that is F*ucking generous of you, Zenimax, 1 gold" and then he talked about the price of a horse, which comes with the imperial edition - so if you buy this, you can avoid all this grind, so basically, they "force" you to buy it, if you do not want endless grind to get a horse. And he talked about eso being a "running simulator" you need a horse. Now put this together, all valid arguments - but together they form this impression.
Uh-huh... And that sounds like a reasonable assessment to you? I'm telling you, nothing aside from the addition of the justice system has changed where your money comes from in this game. It had been the same since the beginning.
I'm going to have to see this video, lol.0 -
UndeadBlood✭✭✭You are cheap as hell, dude. This game has one of the chepeast priced costumes of todays games with ingame stores. You better never try out BDO, because they charge for costumes, what ESO charges for expansions.0 -
Lysette✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭UndeadBlood wrote: »You are cheap as hell, dude. This game has one of the chepeast priced costumes of todays games with ingame stores. You better never try out BDO, because they charge for costumes, what ESO charges for expansions.
I have watched videos about it, I do not like it anyway. I see as well no reason, why I would want another fantasy world than Tsmriel - well another continent on Nirn would be ok as well. But I am a TES fan, I stay with Elder Scrolls.0 -
Lysette✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭MrDenimChicken wrote: »MrDenimChicken wrote: »First thing you see when you log in:
CROWN STORE!: pay for this skin or quality of life thingy for 4000 crowns. Four. Thousand. Crowns.
yeah DLC's or expansions sure, justified. But 4000 crowns for a freaking motif that isn't even that great looking (I know that's subjective, but it does not look like that detailed to me).
come on guys! this is crazy! I know it's a business but you guys make it too obvious what your #1 priority is.
I know people on forums over react to stuff but this just looks so bad and greedy. Makes the company look totally desperate for cash.
just reminds me of the greedy release with 1 gold per mob and 42k horse price debacle
Yeah... The 1 gold thing was never really a "thing". I've been playing since the beta and that was never true. I honestly don't know where people got that ridiculous idea, but ESO has always had the same progression based economy as every other MMO.
At low levels you get small drops and quest rewards. As you move to higher level areas those drops get progressively bigger. So, yeah, if you're grinding mobs in Kenarthi's Roost you're only getting 1 gold off mobs. That's a level 3-6 zone though. That gradually increases as you move through the different areas of each zone. You can also sell more items and get better quest rewards as you progress through the game. It's the same as, well, every other RPG I've ever played.
You make money the same way in ESO today as we were before the game officially released.
I've seen this statement twice today. Where did people get this idea from???
Because it was that way when the first reviews came out and this impression went viral then on the web - tiny things like this can decide about good and bad for a company. Just look at Zynga and their poker game. They gave it a more elegant look, people hated it, it failed. Or their farmville, they wanted to put it on mobiles - and it failed there and in the wake of this failing, their former top brand game lost hundreds of millions $ revenue as well on facebook. Small things like that can cost a lot of money, when costumers feel uncomfortable with it. And so ZOS failed as well their expectations with their first launch, because they made last minute decisions, with p*ssed a lot of fans off including me - like first they announced 3 factions, 3 races each - and then at launch the imperial edition, which ruined the whole concept, or at least many felt this way and did not join.
Weird, I'm still curious as to how that started. As far as I can tell nothing has changed. You also don't hear people saying things like that about other MMOs.
Lol, could you imagine someone saying the same thing about another game? "You need to grind 10,000 skeletons in Deathknell (Forsaken starting zone in WoW for those who are not familiar) because they only drop 1 copper a piece just to get a Mount! But if you spend $25 on Blizzard's cash shop, you won't have to do that! See, 'Corporate Greed'/'P2W'!"
Hah! Everyone would tell that person that they're stupid... Because that's just ridiculous. Who does that?
Back when ESO released, we were making money by questing, selling junk items, crafting and selling green/blue/purple items, selling crafting materials, and by getting better and better gold drops as we leveled.
Making money now is done pretty much the same way it was done back then, with the exception of "stealing" (it wasn't nailed down, I call dibs).
So yeah, it's still a mystery to me how people got this idea into their heads that ZoS ever intended for players to farm tens of thousands of level 4 skeletons just to get a mount. Like, that was just never a thing, and if anyone ever tried to make that claim about any other game they would just be called idiots.
Well Angry Joe's first review did the trick - one of his reviews which was mainly about greed and like he put it, the "painfully average" game play. And IMO he was right, all videos I saw about game play were pointless and boring to me. then he did one where he played with his girl friend and they tested the grouping system and quested. Every mob 1 gold, every boss they made 2 gold. They might not have done a lot of testing, but that is what it gets to, when the loot is greedily low. And ZOS had to pay for this, because a lot have seen these reviews and Angry Joe is not the only one who has damned the game - IMO for the right reasons, I did not join as well because it put me off - this play every race in every faction thing - we put a lot of thought into which alliance to join and the pro and cons of race combinations, among friends who loved TES games. We had long discussions per email about this for months - and that was all destroyed by suddenly releasing the imperial edition and play every race in every faction - that p*issed us off - and you can find a lot of videos on the web from people who felt exactly the same. That happens, when a company makes decisons, where potential customers are not comfortable with. To me the whole Alliance war is pointless since then, and why I have no interest to take part in it. To me it is nonsensical like this.
Interesting. I remember the bugs and the phasing being really, really bad. I preordered the game and got the Explorer's pack as a preorder bonus. I guess the faction thing never had the same effect on me because I've been able to do any race/ any faction since beta... Not that it matters, I play High Elves, Wood Elves, or Khajit and my favorite alliance is the Aldmeri Dominion. (My reasons? Kate Beckinsale is effing hot, even her voice, especially her voice! And Razum Dar, 'nuff said.)
I digress, I have a pet monkey and lizard thing, and I can't relate to the faction issue.
As far as Angry Joe goes. He's an idiot. Seriously. Watch his other reviews for other games. That dude is just pulling in a YouTube advertising paycheck and I can't tell if he's lying or if he's legitimately just that bad at the games he plays. Watch his stuff and you'll notice the same trend with everything he reviews - if there's the slightest hint of complexity or something isn't immediately obvious, he hates it.
Do yourself a favor, don't listen to him.
I find myself agreeing with him on many games after I had already played the game extensively, ESO included (at launch).
IDK what complexity to which you are referring. It's not like ESO was majorly complex or anything at launch.
If he's the one that started the whole "farming 42k gold from mobs for 1 gold each thing", then yes, he's an idiot.
You're making money in ESO today, the same way you would have made it back during release.
But, hey, it's not my prerogative to tell you that you're probably spending money on some crap games or missing out on some good experiences based solely on his bias induced circus act.
Well of course it is biased, it is an opinion, not an objective thing. There is no objective review possible with gaming. Well, one can agree on a game what does not work, but otherwise all is opinion. Some have similar opinions to his's others don't, like you. But you should not say, we are not capable of making our own decisions, just because they are not like yours.
Edit: Angry Joe did not say you have to do thousands of mobs directly - he said sarcastically "well, that is F*ucking generous of you, Zenimax, 1 gold" and then he talked about the price of a horse, which comes with the imperial edition - so if you buy this, you can avoid all this grind, so basically, they "force" you to buy it, if you do not want endless grind to get a horse. And he talked about eso being a "running simulator" you need a horse. Now put this together, all valid arguments - but together they form this impression.
Uh-huh... And that sounds like a reasonable assessment to you? I'm telling you, nothing aside from the addition of the justice system has changed where your money comes from in this game. It had been the same since the beginning.
I'm going to have to see this video, lol.
I told you in detail about why I did not join at launch - it was the play any race in any faction thing and the sudden release of the imperial edition, where no word about the imperial race was in any of the trailers. The whole alliance war became suddenly pointless to me and all game play videos I saw were horribly boring as well. ZOS was not going to give a trial period, like other subscription games do it - so I would have been forced to buy the cat in the sack - and I did not want that. Without the free trial weekend end of last year I would not have looked at ESO ever again.
Edit: and it was not the same, I have never seen a loot of 1 gold in ESO since I joined, it was always more than this - but in Angry Joe's game play video those were clearly 1 gold and 2 gold for a boss. It has changed.Edited by Lysette on April 19, 2016 3:12AM0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Hm Angry joe actually made the connection, I did not remember that, but I watched it again.
Edit: I still think he is right in nearly all things he said about this game - some of these things are still true.Edited by Lysette on April 19, 2016 3:35AM0 -
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✭Some things in the shop may be a bit over priced but fortunately I don't have to buy those items to play the game. If you want a special motif or mount/pet then it is up to you on if you want it enough to purchase it. If you ask me the DLCs have been more than fair so I'm happy.
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MikeB✭✭✭✭✭I love that people assume they are selling thousands of these assistants when the reality is most likely much less. In my experience I've seen 2 people with them and know no one personally that's purchased them.
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✭✭✭✭✭I love that people assume they are selling thousands of these assistants when the reality is most likely much less. In my experience I've seen 2 people with them and know no one personally that's purchased them.
Base your response on facts not emotion.
I have the same impression, I have not seen even one inworld yet.0 -
MrDenimChicken✭✭✭✭✭MrDenimChicken wrote: »MrDenimChicken wrote: »First thing you see when you log in:
CROWN STORE!: pay for this skin or quality of life thingy for 4000 crowns. Four. Thousand. Crowns.
yeah DLC's or expansions sure, justified. But 4000 crowns for a freaking motif that isn't even that great looking (I know that's subjective, but it does not look like that detailed to me).
come on guys! this is crazy! I know it's a business but you guys make it too obvious what your #1 priority is.
I know people on forums over react to stuff but this just looks so bad and greedy. Makes the company look totally desperate for cash.
just reminds me of the greedy release with 1 gold per mob and 42k horse price debacle
Yeah... The 1 gold thing was never really a "thing". I've been playing since the beta and that was never true. I honestly don't know where people got that ridiculous idea, but ESO has always had the same progression based economy as every other MMO.
At low levels you get small drops and quest rewards. As you move to higher level areas those drops get progressively bigger. So, yeah, if you're grinding mobs in Kenarthi's Roost you're only getting 1 gold off mobs. That's a level 3-6 zone though. That gradually increases as you move through the different areas of each zone. You can also sell more items and get better quest rewards as you progress through the game. It's the same as, well, every other RPG I've ever played.
You make money the same way in ESO today as we were before the game officially released.
I've seen this statement twice today. Where did people get this idea from???
Because it was that way when the first reviews came out and this impression went viral then on the web - tiny things like this can decide about good and bad for a company. Just look at Zynga and their poker game. They gave it a more elegant look, people hated it, it failed. Or their farmville, they wanted to put it on mobiles - and it failed there and in the wake of this failing, their former top brand game lost hundreds of millions $ revenue as well on facebook. Small things like that can cost a lot of money, when costumers feel uncomfortable with it. And so ZOS failed as well their expectations with their first launch, because they made last minute decisions, with p*ssed a lot of fans off including me - like first they announced 3 factions, 3 races each - and then at launch the imperial edition, which ruined the whole concept, or at least many felt this way and did not join.
Weird, I'm still curious as to how that started. As far as I can tell nothing has changed. You also don't hear people saying things like that about other MMOs.
Lol, could you imagine someone saying the same thing about another game? "You need to grind 10,000 skeletons in Deathknell (Forsaken starting zone in WoW for those who are not familiar) because they only drop 1 copper a piece just to get a Mount! But if you spend $25 on Blizzard's cash shop, you won't have to do that! See, 'Corporate Greed'/'P2W'!"
Hah! Everyone would tell that person that they're stupid... Because that's just ridiculous. Who does that?
Back when ESO released, we were making money by questing, selling junk items, crafting and selling green/blue/purple items, selling crafting materials, and by getting better and better gold drops as we leveled.
Making money now is done pretty much the same way it was done back then, with the exception of "stealing" (it wasn't nailed down, I call dibs).
So yeah, it's still a mystery to me how people got this idea into their heads that ZoS ever intended for players to farm tens of thousands of level 4 skeletons just to get a mount. Like, that was just never a thing, and if anyone ever tried to make that claim about any other game they would just be called idiots.
Well Angry Joe's first review did the trick - one of his reviews which was mainly about greed and like he put it, the "painfully average" game play. And IMO he was right, all videos I saw about game play were pointless and boring to me. then he did one where he played with his girl friend and they tested the grouping system and quested. Every mob 1 gold, every boss they made 2 gold. They might not have done a lot of testing, but that is what it gets to, when the loot is greedily low. And ZOS had to pay for this, because a lot have seen these reviews and Angry Joe is not the only one who has damned the game - IMO for the right reasons, I did not join as well because it put me off - this play every race in every faction thing - we put a lot of thought into which alliance to join and the pro and cons of race combinations, among friends who loved TES games. We had long discussions per email about this for months - and that was all destroyed by suddenly releasing the imperial edition and play every race in every faction - that p*issed us off - and you can find a lot of videos on the web from people who felt exactly the same. That happens, when a company makes decisons, where potential customers are not comfortable with. To me the whole Alliance war is pointless since then, and why I have no interest to take part in it. To me it is nonsensical like this.
Interesting. I remember the bugs and the phasing being really, really bad. I preordered the game and got the Explorer's pack as a preorder bonus. I guess the faction thing never had the same effect on me because I've been able to do any race/ any faction since beta... Not that it matters, I play High Elves, Wood Elves, or Khajit and my favorite alliance is the Aldmeri Dominion. (My reasons? Kate Beckinsale is effing hot, even her voice, especially her voice! And Razum Dar, 'nuff said.)
I digress, I have a pet monkey and lizard thing, and I can't relate to the faction issue.
As far as Angry Joe goes. He's an idiot. Seriously. Watch his other reviews for other games. That dude is just pulling in a YouTube advertising paycheck and I can't tell if he's lying or if he's legitimately just that bad at the games he plays. Watch his stuff and you'll notice the same trend with everything he reviews - if there's the slightest hint of complexity or something isn't immediately obvious, he hates it.
Do yourself a favor, don't listen to him.
I find myself agreeing with him on many games after I had already played the game extensively, ESO included (at launch).
IDK what complexity to which you are referring. It's not like ESO was majorly complex or anything at launch.
If he's the one that started the whole "farming 42k gold from mobs for 1 gold each thing", then yes, he's an idiot.
You're making money in ESO today, the same way you would have made it back during release.
But, hey, it's not my prerogative to tell you that you're probably spending money on some crap games or missing out on some good experiences based solely on his bias induced circus act.
I'm pretty sure Zenimax updated the gold drops from mobs. I remember in the first week of release it was 1gold per mob until like lvl 20+ and then it was like 2 gold per mob. Now mobs drop more gold without a doubt.0 -
CaptainBeerDude✭✭✭✭✭@Lysette it is completely fine to look at the prices and not see value. Some of the prices don't seem like good value to me and I don't buy those items. If they do, then I buy them. Sometimes things I want are more expensive than I want to pay for them, which means it's poor value for me. If they go on special, maybe they reach a price that I'm willing to pay. Now it's giving me value. You said you run your own business/es, so you should be familiar with this (more than me at least), and realise that some of the extra money generated is going into game production. There really isn't anything we can do about shareholders wanting a slice as well and ZOS trying to keep them quiet.
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✭✭✭✭✭MrDenimChicken wrote: »MrDenimChicken wrote: »MrDenimChicken wrote: »First thing you see when you log in:
CROWN STORE!: pay for this skin or quality of life thingy for 4000 crowns. Four. Thousand. Crowns.
yeah DLC's or expansions sure, justified. But 4000 crowns for a freaking motif that isn't even that great looking (I know that's subjective, but it does not look like that detailed to me).
come on guys! this is crazy! I know it's a business but you guys make it too obvious what your #1 priority is.
I know people on forums over react to stuff but this just looks so bad and greedy. Makes the company look totally desperate for cash.
just reminds me of the greedy release with 1 gold per mob and 42k horse price debacle
Yeah... The 1 gold thing was never really a "thing". I've been playing since the beta and that was never true. I honestly don't know where people got that ridiculous idea, but ESO has always had the same progression based economy as every other MMO.
At low levels you get small drops and quest rewards. As you move to higher level areas those drops get progressively bigger. So, yeah, if you're grinding mobs in Kenarthi's Roost you're only getting 1 gold off mobs. That's a level 3-6 zone though. That gradually increases as you move through the different areas of each zone. You can also sell more items and get better quest rewards as you progress through the game. It's the same as, well, every other RPG I've ever played.
You make money the same way in ESO today as we were before the game officially released.
I've seen this statement twice today. Where did people get this idea from???
Because it was that way when the first reviews came out and this impression went viral then on the web - tiny things like this can decide about good and bad for a company. Just look at Zynga and their poker game. They gave it a more elegant look, people hated it, it failed. Or their farmville, they wanted to put it on mobiles - and it failed there and in the wake of this failing, their former top brand game lost hundreds of millions $ revenue as well on facebook. Small things like that can cost a lot of money, when costumers feel uncomfortable with it. And so ZOS failed as well their expectations with their first launch, because they made last minute decisions, with p*ssed a lot of fans off including me - like first they announced 3 factions, 3 races each - and then at launch the imperial edition, which ruined the whole concept, or at least many felt this way and did not join.
Weird, I'm still curious as to how that started. As far as I can tell nothing has changed. You also don't hear people saying things like that about other MMOs.
Lol, could you imagine someone saying the same thing about another game? "You need to grind 10,000 skeletons in Deathknell (Forsaken starting zone in WoW for those who are not familiar) because they only drop 1 copper a piece just to get a Mount! But if you spend $25 on Blizzard's cash shop, you won't have to do that! See, 'Corporate Greed'/'P2W'!"
Hah! Everyone would tell that person that they're stupid... Because that's just ridiculous. Who does that?
Back when ESO released, we were making money by questing, selling junk items, crafting and selling green/blue/purple items, selling crafting materials, and by getting better and better gold drops as we leveled.
Making money now is done pretty much the same way it was done back then, with the exception of "stealing" (it wasn't nailed down, I call dibs).
So yeah, it's still a mystery to me how people got this idea into their heads that ZoS ever intended for players to farm tens of thousands of level 4 skeletons just to get a mount. Like, that was just never a thing, and if anyone ever tried to make that claim about any other game they would just be called idiots.
Well Angry Joe's first review did the trick - one of his reviews which was mainly about greed and like he put it, the "painfully average" game play. And IMO he was right, all videos I saw about game play were pointless and boring to me. then he did one where he played with his girl friend and they tested the grouping system and quested. Every mob 1 gold, every boss they made 2 gold. They might not have done a lot of testing, but that is what it gets to, when the loot is greedily low. And ZOS had to pay for this, because a lot have seen these reviews and Angry Joe is not the only one who has damned the game - IMO for the right reasons, I did not join as well because it put me off - this play every race in every faction thing - we put a lot of thought into which alliance to join and the pro and cons of race combinations, among friends who loved TES games. We had long discussions per email about this for months - and that was all destroyed by suddenly releasing the imperial edition and play every race in every faction - that p*issed us off - and you can find a lot of videos on the web from people who felt exactly the same. That happens, when a company makes decisons, where potential customers are not comfortable with. To me the whole Alliance war is pointless since then, and why I have no interest to take part in it. To me it is nonsensical like this.
Interesting. I remember the bugs and the phasing being really, really bad. I preordered the game and got the Explorer's pack as a preorder bonus. I guess the faction thing never had the same effect on me because I've been able to do any race/ any faction since beta... Not that it matters, I play High Elves, Wood Elves, or Khajit and my favorite alliance is the Aldmeri Dominion. (My reasons? Kate Beckinsale is effing hot, even her voice, especially her voice! And Razum Dar, 'nuff said.)
I digress, I have a pet monkey and lizard thing, and I can't relate to the faction issue.
As far as Angry Joe goes. He's an idiot. Seriously. Watch his other reviews for other games. That dude is just pulling in a YouTube advertising paycheck and I can't tell if he's lying or if he's legitimately just that bad at the games he plays. Watch his stuff and you'll notice the same trend with everything he reviews - if there's the slightest hint of complexity or something isn't immediately obvious, he hates it.
Do yourself a favor, don't listen to him.
I find myself agreeing with him on many games after I had already played the game extensively, ESO included (at launch).
IDK what complexity to which you are referring. It's not like ESO was majorly complex or anything at launch.
If he's the one that started the whole "farming 42k gold from mobs for 1 gold each thing", then yes, he's an idiot.
You're making money in ESO today, the same way you would have made it back during release.
But, hey, it's not my prerogative to tell you that you're probably spending money on some crap games or missing out on some good experiences based solely on his bias induced circus act.
I'm pretty sure Zenimax updated the gold drops from mobs. I remember in the first week of release it was 1gold per mob until like lvl 20+ and then it was like 2 gold per mob. Now mobs drop more gold without a doubt.
Now this is unfortunate for Zenimax then, to not have done this before release, because it is clear, that reviewers will make their verdicts on base of what they experience in those first few days after release - to not have done this before was maybe an issue of too less time to finish it before release, but you see how this can turn out then - and this mishap becomes a major flaw of the game in the eyes of all who watch such a review. But tbh I have seen the same behavior as well with the TG release - they show one thing on the PTS and deliever another and people think "wtf, why have I even tested it on PTS" and again it is just half done and unfinished at release. ZOS is just not recognizing how much a bad first impression is hurting them.Edited by Lysette on April 19, 2016 8:24AM0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭CaptainBeerDude wrote: »@Lysette it is completely fine to look at the prices and not see value. Some of the prices don't seem like good value to me and I don't buy those items. If they do, then I buy them. Sometimes things I want are more expensive than I want to pay for them, which means it's poor value for me. If they go on special, maybe they reach a price that I'm willing to pay. Now it's giving me value. You said you run your own business/es, so you should be familiar with this (more than me at least), and realise that some of the extra money generated is going into game production. There really isn't anything we can do about shareholders wanting a slice as well and ZOS trying to keep them quiet.
I'll take cheaper DLC and more expensive vanity items any day of the week.
To me that is about relation between reasonable and greedy - see, say you have a meal in a restaurant and that would be 22€ regular price, but you want a little bit more pepper - pepper is already in the meal, but you want a little bit more of it - and they charge you 35€ extra for this little bit more pepper. How do you feel about that?- And this is not different from charging 35€ for that little bit more, what is already in the game (the assistant), while the whole game costs 22 Euro on sale. This is greed, this is not reasonable and it is blatant. ZOS should be ashamed of it.
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bloodenragedb14_ESO✭✭✭✭✭well, i look at it this way
yes, the prices may be rather high, but i think thats because they are sticking to their promise of 'no gambling boxs'
most mmo's today have these gambling boxes, these things are almost exclusivly the only way to attain cash items, or at least the 'cool' ones
of the crown store being a little expensive is the price to pay to keep these damnable gambling boxes out of this game, fine, im all for it.2 -
Flynch✭✭✭✭Ah I love these discussions.
Let's break it down. If the items and/or services were not selling as well as ZOS would like, they would/will axe the prices until they fell into line.
I understand that these are expensive items, and they can seem absurdly pricey if you really want them but feel it takes too much disposable income to purchase them. But that's simply the way the world works.
They keep the prices high because people are buying them at that price - i'm sure the price will come down (or they will have the crown offers etc etc) over time, as with most things, value depreciates.
And stop blaming the 'idiots' for opening their wallets for these expensive items - because right now, they are the only thing keeping this boat (aside from initial box purchases) afloat and content being created. Just be patient.1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭bloodenragedb14_ESO wrote: »well, i look at it this way
yes, the prices may be rather high, but i think thats because they are sticking to their promise of 'no gambling boxs'
most mmo's today have these gambling boxes, these things are almost exclusivly the only way to attain cash items, or at least the 'cool' ones
of the crown store being a little expensive is the price to pay to keep these damnable gambling boxes out of this game, fine, im all for it.
Yes, gambling boxes are the next level in greediness, but this does not make the lower level of greed any less greedy. Greed is greed and bad. That it could be worse is no excuse.0 -
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Yes, gambling boxes are the next level in greediness, but this does not make the lower level of greed any less greedy. Greed is greed and bad. That it could be worse is no excuse.
when it comes to mmo's, its best to accept that a lesser evil is better than no evil at all, because without a pinch of greed, the game falls out from under us, servers close, and no one gets to have fun0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Ah I love these discussions.
Let's break it down. If the items and/or services were not selling as well as ZOS would like, they would/will axe the prices until they fell into line.
I understand that these are expensive items, and they can seem absurdly pricey if you really want them but feel it takes too much disposable income to purchase them. But that's simply the way the world works.
They keep the prices high because people are buying them at that price - i'm sure the price will come down (or they will have the crown offers etc etc) over time, as with most things, value depreciates.
And stop blaming the 'idiots' for opening their wallets for these expensive items - because right now, they are the only thing keeping this boat (aside from initial box purchases) afloat and content being created. Just be patient.
It is not an issue about affordable or not. I would not pay 35€ for that extra pepper in this restaurant, which I mentioned in this metaphor, not even if I could buy the whole restaurant chain. It is unreasonable and it is rude towards a paying customer. And even more blatant is, that the assistant do not do what they advertise - all your banking needs - no they don't. But so is the whole way in which they advertise the game - pretty much nothing of what their trailers advertise is in the game. And this is not corrected in the description of the item, it still advertises "all your banking needs". Same with the merchant, he does not sell what a normal merchant is selling, especially not that what people would need and what would make it useful. And this makes the whole offer even worse as it already is. It is a blatant cash grab and the whole deal tastes foul.Edited by Lysette on April 19, 2016 8:37AM1 -
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✭Wow the OP is getting a lot of hate from fanboys xD
Op it is ok to disagree with the pricing, after all you are also a potential costumer.
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✭✭✭✭✭bloodenragedb14_ESO wrote: »
Yes, gambling boxes are the next level in greediness, but this does not make the lower level of greed any less greedy. Greed is greed and bad. That it could be worse is no excuse.
when it comes to mmo's, its best to accept that a lesser evil is better than no evil at all, because without a pinch of greed, the game falls out from under us, servers close, and no one gets to have fun
My point was as well, that a more reasonable price would have made them even more money - it was voted about what price would be reasonable and most said 1000-2000 crowns. This is the price which would have sold the most and because the majority have voted for this price, the whole income from that would be much more than if just a few buy it for a high price.
ZOS shot into their own feet with this - in many ways.0 -
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✭5. So if you really want to make a difference on crown store pricing, speak with your wallet. Dont spend. Force the devs to listen.
That will never happen, reading the posts of some people rubbing it in our faces that they are responsible adults with a job that allows them to overpay stuff xD. So most likely prices will only go up because people are ok with paying for a costume the same amount of money they pay for another game.
And again for those people justifying it with "having a job", it is a bit silly, because what tells you the OP or the others that disagree cant afford to purchase the item? They just dont want to and refuse to do it because they find it too expensive and have the right to do so, just as they have the right to state their opinion without having assumptions made about their social class. If it wouldnt be for people like OP that disagree, all of you would end up paying 100 dollars soon for a costume that is just re-textured a bit.
However my idea why ZOS is putting the prices so high for such a useless thing is because they want to make people actually PLAY the game, find the motif on their own, work for their achievements, and leave the ones that want everything to be easily given buy it. That is why, the imperial dlc is 2.500 crowns but the motif 5.000, sounds insane and makes no sense, except it does, because you CAN have the DLC with some gaming content and find the motif on your own, it takes time and the drop rates are probably not amazing, so it is easier to just say "I will buy that motif instead" so ZOS would be stupid NOT to make money out of people like those.I like sweetrolls and I cannot lie0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭EstelioVeleth wrote: »5. So if you really want to make a difference on crown store pricing, speak with your wallet. Dont spend. Force the devs to listen.
That will never happen, reading the posts of some people rubbing it in our faces that they are responsible adults with a job that allows them to overpay stuff xD. So most likely prices will only go up because people are ok with paying for a costume the same amount of money they pay for another game.
And again for those people justifying it with "having a job", it is a bit silly, because what tells you the OP or the others that disagree cant afford to purchase the item? They just dont want to and refuse to do it because they find it too expensive and have the right to do so, just as they have the right to state their opinion without having assumptions made about their social class. If it wouldnt be for people like OP that disagree, all of you would end up paying 100 dollars soon for a costume that is just re-textured a bit.
However my idea why ZOS is putting the prices so high for such a useless thing is because they want to make people actually PLAY the game, find the motif on their own, work for their achievements, and leave the ones that want everything to be easily given buy it. That is why, the imperial dlc is 2.500 crowns but the motif 5.000, sounds insane and makes no sense, except it does, because you CAN have the DLC with some gaming content and find the motif on your own, it takes time and the drop rates are probably not amazing, so it is easier to just say "I will buy that motif instead" so ZOS would be stupid NOT to make money out of people like those.
Their reputation is already pretty bad and they made it even worse with it. Especially at a time where so much is broken or not working properly. I have to reboot my whole system to have a chance to play the game, because their clients do not work properly. I have crashes and I have sound issues. Their service quality is low, I should not have to reboot my system to have a chance to play the game, and at this point in time they make another blatant cash grab - this sheds a really bad light on them.1 -
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✭✭As soon as I read your thread, I knew what the first reply would be... "Then don't buy it, nobody forces you to do it".
Folks, are you... gone mad? OP's intention was to point out the obvious thing that everybody has noticed so far: the enormous prices of cosmetic items. Items that we would like to have in game but they are simply extremely overpriced. Yeah, there are always some whales who don't have respect to their own money and buy everything ZOS put under their nose paying any price set by ZOS. But the fact that some people buy it doesn't justify those prices. We all would like to afford these things and we don't ask for underpriced stuff but for the stuff with reasonable prices. The current ones are just out of this world. Assistants or motifs to name a few.
The current attitude of many players defending ZOS's business policy will bring us even higher prices. I'm sure of it. Because of this policy, I lost my respect and liking for that company. I love the game so much but that love is tainted by dev's decisions. "Greedy" is the first adjective that comes to mind when you think about ZOS.2 -
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✭✭✭✭✭As soon as I read your thread, I knew what the first reply would be... "Then don't buy it, nobody forces you to do it".
Folks, are you... gone mad? OP's intention was to point out the obvious thing that everybody has noticed so far: the enormous prices of cosmetic items. Items that we would like to have in game but they are simply extremely overpriced. Yeah, there are always some whales who don't have respect to their own money and buy everything ZOS put under their nose paying any price set by ZOS. But the fact that some people buy it doesn't justify those prices. We all would like to afford these things and we don't ask for underpriced stuff but for the stuff with reasonable prices. The current ones are just out of this world. Assistants or motifs to name a few.
The current attitude of many players defending ZOS's business policy will bring us even higher prices. I'm sure of it. Because of this policy, I lost my respect and liking for that company. I love the game so much but that love is tainted by dev's decisions. "Greedy" is the first adjective that comes to mind when you think about ZOS.
Those who pay these unreasonable prices are not really wealthy people, they just have a little bit more and want to show this. Really wealthy people are careful with spending money, that is why they are wealthy, not because they would be big spenders, but because they spend their money on reasonable stuff, which earns them even more money and refuse to pay for overpriced stuff. Whales are not wealthy people IMO, they do not behave like that.0 -
CaptainBeerDude✭✭✭✭✭CaptainBeerDude wrote: »@Lysette it is completely fine to look at the prices and not see value. Some of the prices don't seem like good value to me and I don't buy those items. If they do, then I buy them. Sometimes things I want are more expensive than I want to pay for them, which means it's poor value for me. If they go on special, maybe they reach a price that I'm willing to pay. Now it's giving me value. You said you run your own business/es, so you should be familiar with this (more than me at least), and realise that some of the extra money generated is going into game production. There really isn't anything we can do about shareholders wanting a slice as well and ZOS trying to keep them quiet.
I'll take cheaper DLC and more expensive vanity items any day of the week.
To me that is about relation between reasonable and greedy - see, say you have a meal in a restaurant and that would be 22€ regular price, but you want a little bit more pepper - pepper is already in the meal, but you want a little bit more of it - and they charge you 35€ extra for this little bit more pepper. How do you feel about that?- And this is not different from charging 35€ for that little bit more, what is already in the game (the assistant), while the whole game costs 22 Euro on sale. This is greed, this is not reasonable and it is blatant. ZOS should be ashamed of it.
I wouldn't have the extra pepper. I regularly get additions to my ordered food, but only because I find the increased value of the food to me is worth the extra cost. If it prices above what I'm willing to pay for it, I don't get it. Simples.
Also, I wouldn't compare it to pepper. It's more like wanting to use different shaped cutlery or having a different plate or asking them to change the table cloth. They could do all of these non-standard things for you, but they can ask what they want in return. If having a blue table cloth instead of a white one means that much to you, go for it. Me, I'll wait until they have a special where it only costs a small amount to change the table cloth.
And if you subscribe, you already get free crowns. You must be running out of stuff to buy by now...
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✭✭✭✭✭CaptainBeerDude wrote: »CaptainBeerDude wrote: »@Lysette it is completely fine to look at the prices and not see value. Some of the prices don't seem like good value to me and I don't buy those items. If they do, then I buy them. Sometimes things I want are more expensive than I want to pay for them, which means it's poor value for me. If they go on special, maybe they reach a price that I'm willing to pay. Now it's giving me value. You said you run your own business/es, so you should be familiar with this (more than me at least), and realise that some of the extra money generated is going into game production. There really isn't anything we can do about shareholders wanting a slice as well and ZOS trying to keep them quiet.
I'll take cheaper DLC and more expensive vanity items any day of the week.
To me that is about relation between reasonable and greedy - see, say you have a meal in a restaurant and that would be 22€ regular price, but you want a little bit more pepper - pepper is already in the meal, but you want a little bit more of it - and they charge you 35€ extra for this little bit more pepper. How do you feel about that?- And this is not different from charging 35€ for that little bit more, what is already in the game (the assistant), while the whole game costs 22 Euro on sale. This is greed, this is not reasonable and it is blatant. ZOS should be ashamed of it.
I wouldn't have the extra pepper. I regularly get additions to my ordered food, but only because I find the increased value of the food to me is worth the extra cost. If it prices above what I'm willing to pay for it, I don't get it. Simples.
Also, I wouldn't compare it to pepper. It's more like wanting to use different shaped cutlery or having a different plate or asking them to change the table cloth. They could do all of these non-standard things for you, but they can ask what they want in return. If having a blue table cloth instead of a white one means that much to you, go for it. Me, I'll wait until they have a special where it only costs a small amount to change the table cloth.
And if you subscribe, you already get free crowns. You must be running out of stuff to buy by now...
Yeah I have crowns just sitting there waiting for something reasonable to buy. I buy extra crowns once in a while on top of it. I have most items in the crown shop, but I refuse to buy what I think is unreasonable and a blatant cash grab.
I chose pepper in this example, because it is already in the game just like bankers and merchants. And I just want a little bit more of it and would have to pay more than the whole meal costs - this is just like what these assistants are in relation to the game price - ZOS offers this on sale by themselves for 22€ - I got it for 22€ - steam is offering it as well at that price on sale. so for most the game price is 22€, because they buy on steam sales. Why. because there is not way to try this game out. This is another thing where ZOS is too greedy - well, they had this free weekend end of last year, what brought them lots of new customers like me. But they are too greedy to make this a permanent offer for people to test before they buy. They want to sell the cat in the sack and they do that with false promises - trailers which show things, which are not in the game and items with missing features in relation to what they advertise (assistants). This is not ok.Edited by Lysette on April 19, 2016 9:35AM0 -
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I'm in the millennial generation and this personifies why I'm in the top end of that generation. Seriously, you think this game is built for free? Do you think all of its workers are all volunteers?MrDenimChicken wrote: »First thing you see when you log in:
CROWN STORE!: pay for this skin or quality of life thingy for 4000 crowns. Four. Thousand. Crowns.
yeah DLC's or expansions sure, justified. But 4000 crowns for a freaking motif that isn't even that great looking (I know that's subjective, but it does not look like that detailed to me).
come on guys! this is crazy! I know it's a business but you guys make it too obvious what your #1 priority is.
I know people on forums over react to stuff but this just looks so bad and greedy. Makes the company look totally desperate for cash.
just reminds me of the greedy release with 1 gold per mob and 42k horse price debacle
Don't buy it if you don't like the price. Laws of supply and demand dictate they'll adjust pricing if they don't get the right revenue.
I'll give you the same advice I give everyone of these threads, start a small business run it for 2 years and come back and see if you call trying to run a profitable business greed.
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