Alchemy

Tevalaur · April 2016

Sunshine Daydream has published a new Guide to Alchemy.

I'd very much like feedback if anything is unclear or your impressions of the page's usefulness.

phaneub17_ESO · April 2016

Suggestion to add in filler 3 ingredient recipes that are useless, or contain the useless herbs, for when leveling up Alchemy just to vendor. I like to save the good potions for when at max level.

ContraTempo · April 2016

Yellow...so much yellow (shiver)

STEVIL · April 2016

Luminous rus, imp stool mtn flower - uses 2 pretty crappy items

ravage weapon power but it boosts armor and heals.

great for a mid slugfest magica user who doesnt worry about weapon damage.

ContraTempo · April 2016

Seriously...nice, attractive guide. I could think of other ways to organize the data that might be more compact but this works and has nice pics. I do feel that the Reagents chart needs some kind of labeling to make it clear what the columns and lines of data are. I know because I am very familiar with the system but a noob could be kinda lost figuring out that you are listing the effects, and other reagents with those same effects.

Tevalaur · April 2016

phaneub17_ESO wrote: »

Suggestion to add in filler 3 ingredient recipes that are useless, or contain the useless herbs, for when leveling up Alchemy just to vendor. I like to save the good potions for when at max level.

Just tested:
1500 inspiration from 2-ingredient Level 3 recipe
1500 inspiration from 3-ingredient Level 3 recipe with an additional effect beyond those produced above

So there's no reason to make 3-ingredient recipes for writs/leveling. Just use 2 ingredients to make your mats last longer. And those are all easily discerned at the crafting table once you know the traits.

The webpage says
"Note that none of these "super recipes" use

Emetic Russula
Imp Stool
Luminous Russula
Nirnroot
Stinkhorn
Violet Coprinus
White Cap

so you may freely use those reagents in the leveling process or for writs."

Am I missing your point?

Taleof2Cities · April 2016

Now to get some usefulness out of the negative side effect potions (as poisons). And the snakeblood passive ...

Hopefully relief is coming with the Dark Brotherhood ...

Tevalaur · April 2016

ContraTempo wrote: »

Seriously...nice, attractive guide. I could think of other ways to organize the data that might be more compact but this works and has nice pics. I do feel that the Reagents chart needs some kind of labeling to make it clear what the columns and lines of data are. I know because I am very familiar with the system but a noob could be kinda lost figuring out that you are listing the effects, and other reagents with those same effects.

Thank you, change has been made to add a description of what the table's accomplishing.

Tevalaur · April 2016

ContraTempo wrote: »

Yellow...so much yellow (shiver)

Well the guild is "Sunshine Daydream" lol

ContraTempo · April 2016

Also, I recall that there are like 10 or 13 potions you can make that will reveal all the properties of every reagent. You might include that.

Tevalaur · April 2016

ContraTempo wrote: »

Also, I recall that there are like 10 or 13 potions you can make that will reveal all the properties of every reagent. You might include that.

I worked out something like that when I started with alchemy, but unfortunately didn't write it down and it was a few months ago now. So it'll probably take a few days to re-create the logic puzzle.

I didn't want to hold up the page on that, but should/will add that once I get some time to work out the puzzle again. This would be the key-piece of a new section on "rapid leveling."

ContraTempo · April 2016

ContraTempo wrote: »

Also, I recall that there are like 10 or 13 potions you can make that will reveal all the properties of every reagent. You might include that.

Oops, it's 32. They are:

Blessed Thistle + Dragonthorn
Blessed Thistle + Namira's Rot
Blessed Thistle + Stinkthorn

Blue Entoloma + Bugloss
Blue Entoloma + Namira's Rot
Blue Entoloma + White Cap

Bugloss + Columbine
Bugloss + White Cap

Columbine + Mountain Flower
Columbine + Wormwood

Corn Flower + Lady Smock
Corn Flower + Violet Coprinus
Corn Flower + Wormwood

Dragonthorn + Stinkthorn
Dragonthorn + Water Hyacinth

Emetic Russula + Stinkthorn
Emetic Russula + Violet Coprinus
Emetic Russula + Water Hyacinth

Imp Stool + Luminous Russula
Imp Stool + Mountain Flower
Imp Stool + Nirnroot

Lady Smock + Namira's Rot
Lady Smock + Violet Coprinus

Luminous Russula + Mountain Flower
Luminous Russula + Water Hyacinth
Luminous Russula + Wormwood

Namira's Rot + Nirnroot
Namira's Rot + Water Hyacinth
Namira's Rot + Wormwood

Nirnroot + Violet Coprinus
Nirnroot + White Cap

Water Hyacinth + Wormwood

phaneub17_ESO · April 2016

Tevalaur wrote: »

phaneub17_ESO wrote: »

Suggestion to add in filler 3 ingredient recipes that are useless, or contain the useless herbs, for when leveling up Alchemy just to vendor. I like to save the good potions for when at max level.

Just tested:
1500 inspiration from 2-ingredient Level 3 recipe
1500 inspiration from 3-ingredient Level 3 recipe with an additional effect beyond those produced above

So there's no reason to make 3-ingredient recipes for writs/leveling. Just use 2 ingredients to make your mats last longer. And those are all easily discerned at the crafting table once you know the traits.

The webpage says
"Note that none of these "super recipes" use
Emetic Russula

Imp Stool

Luminous Russula

Nirnroot

Stinkhorn

Violet Coprinus

White Cap

so you may freely use those reagents in the leveling process or for writs."

Am I missing your point?

Vendor sell cost.

Tevalaur · April 2016

ContraTempo wrote: »

ContraTempo wrote: »

Also, I recall that there are like 10 or 13 potions you can make that will reveal all the properties of every reagent. You might include that.

Oops, it's 32.

Actually, it can be done with 30 combinations of 2 ingredients each. My list has been added in the new section linked below.

Guide to Alchemy: Learn Every Trait on Every Plant in Your First 30 Potions

Kaibeth · April 2016

Tevalaur and I haven't played for three days because she's been in this project. She gets intent on her projects. And to good effect.

Thanks, folks for the feedback.

Even tho it means I'll be playing solo for the rest of the night.

Tevalaur · April 2016

I have just completed the re-organization and hopefully final draft of Sunshine Daydream's Guide to Alchemy.

A quick-jump Table of Contents at the top allows users to move quickly to any of the topics covered including:

Thank you everyone for feedback which helped improve this article!

Kartalin · April 2016

I like how your picture of Mountain Flower perfectly illustrates why the keen eye passive is needed. It's like "I see no reagent here". Both Mountain Flower and Columbine are much easier to see with keen eye than without and each are key components to the immovability pots I depend on in Cyrodiil. I put 3 points into the keen eye passive because I'd rather find Columbine myself than buy it.

Sunburnt_Penguin · April 2016

Kartalin wrote: »

I like how your picture of Mountain Flower perfectly illustrates why the keen eye passive is needed. It's like "I see no reagent here". Both Mountain Flower and Columbine are much easier to see with keen eye than without and each are key components to the immovability pots I depend on in Cyrodiil. I put 3 points into the keen eye passive because I'd rather find Columbine myself than buy it.

Maybe it's just how far I sit away from my screen but without keen-eye I can't even see Columbine when it's in front of my feet.

Ritzey01 · April 2016

Very well done, wish i had this when i was leveling Alch the 1st time. Bravo!!

boundsy88 · April 2016

alchemy in eso is a joke. they should have it so u can combine every single effect together for more diversity on potions. rather than limit the combinations that can be made

THEDKEXPERIENCE · April 2016

Great work. Those invisibility + speed potions are the key to my Cyrodiil success!

Hey look a Zerg is coming to kill us! (Drinks potion, moves 20 yards)
Why am I the only one still alive?

ContraTempo · April 2016

Under super potions, your Invisibility & Speed potion does not show traits like all the other potions.

Edit: At least it doesn't on my phone; haven't checked to from a computer yet.

whiteshadow711jppreub18_ESO · April 2016

Here,

is to Hoping that Poisons are added to Alchemy when the Dark Brotherhood DLC is dropped..

Enemy-of-Coldharbour · April 2016

Great job, a few typos, but otherwise a great job!

Tommy1979AtWar · April 2016

Awesome guide, finally one which I can glance at and not be confused!!

Tevalaur · April 2016

ContraTempo wrote: »

Under super potions, your Invisibility & Speed potion does not show traits like all the other potions.

That was because the only traits that potion has are Invisibility & Speed... but for the sake of consistency they are now listed.

Tevalaur · April 2016

Enemy-of-Coldharbour wrote: »

Great job, a few typos, but otherwise a great job!

Hmm.... I've looked this over quite a few times now (as has my Grammar-freak girlfriend) and we've not seen the typos... if you recall something in particular, please share? It can be difficult to proofread one's own work as you tend see what you expect to see.

Just ran a spell-checker on it which flagged "nirnroot" (correct per game) and "magicka" (again correct per screencap from game). So I'm not sure where you're seeing such...

ShadowscaleSithis · April 2016

Commenting for 2 reasons

1 -- So I can read the guide at home

2 -- You make reference to items you can use to level that are not needed in Super Recipes. I would like to interject that the Orc town (can't remember name of DLC) has recipes that use alchemy ingredients and I believe the Gold one where it gives max health and all 3 stat regen uses White Cap (might be mistaken).

Tevalaur · April 2016

wwusterbarthub17_ESO wrote: »

You make reference to items you can use to level that are not needed in Super Recipes. I would like to interject that the Orc town (can't remember name of DLC) has recipes that use alchemy ingredients and I believe the Gold one where it gives max health and all 3 stat regen uses White Cap (might be mistaken).

Thank you! I've not been playing all that long and had never heard of this recipe or realized that alchemy ingredients would be used outside of alchemy purposes. Thank you for that information and the webpage is now updated with a warning.

ShadowscaleSithis · April 2016

Tevalaur wrote: »

wwusterbarthub17_ESO wrote: »

You make reference to items you can use to level that are not needed in Super Recipes. I would like to interject that the Orc town (can't remember name of DLC) has recipes that use alchemy ingredients and I believe the Gold one where it gives max health and all 3 stat regen uses White Cap (might be mistaken).

Thank you! I've not been playing all that long and had never heard of this recipe or realized that alchemy ingredients would be used outside of alchemy purposes. Thank you for that information and the webpage is now updated with a warning.

You are welcome. I am 97% sure the other 2 or 3 recipes also uses alchemy ingredients, but haven't looked in a while as to what they need. I was looking at making the GOLD recipe, but only have 1 perfect roe lol

ContraTempo · April 2016

Tevalaur wrote: »

ContraTempo wrote: »

Under super potions, your Invisibility & Speed potion does not show traits like all the other potions.

That was because the only traits that potion has are Invisibility & Speed... but for the sake of consistency they are now listed.

Well, mostly. What I was saying is that you use the actual name of the effect on the others, with a common term in (). Examples:
Major Brutality (weapon damage)
Major Savagery (weapon crit)

But for this one you just say Speed when it is actually Major Expedition, as seen in this screen cap:

Not a big deal, just an inconsistent detail.