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so much greed in this game by developers...
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Curtdogg47✭✭✭✭Some things on the store seem a little high on price to me! But people are buying and so the price isn't going to change!1 -
Svalinn✭✭✭nothing against cash shops, with reasonable pricing - but when greed is so blantantly obvious, it can *** off people and they might just stop subscribing.
Well.. if you go and play other mmos in the market the "obvious" greed you'ìre talking about will probably transform in "oh... ESO devs are so nice as to have a cash shop like this one!"
I'll just make an example.. Tree of Savior just released in early access soon to F2P model.. know how the game works "cash shop wise"?
Well you need to pay 18 dollars for 1 token (is kind of a subscription. The 18 dollars asked are ore than a lot of other way better mmos ask for it.. now to what the token actually gives you:
IF YOU BUY A TOKEN YOU GET:
1. a team storage with ONE slot in it... did i mention the fact that if you pass equipment in between your own characters with the team storage the item loses "potential" and after 2.3 times you transfer it it breaks down?
2. you get the ability to TRADE 1:1 with other players that HAVE the token themselfs.. that0's it.. even if you pay you will not be able to trade with people that do not pay.
3. dungeons runs in the game are limited to 2 per day PER ACCOUNT.. you get 1 more buying the token rising it up to 3.
4. you get 30 trades PER MONTH
Do i have to go on? then i'll tell you that even if you buy a token you can't "storage" silver (the gold of the game) to pass it to other characters in your account.. there' just no such option in the game...
But the game is going free to play so i guess it doesn't count? Well then why don't we go and look at Black Desert.. the such waited MMO for the last years?
B2P game... and you have a P2W Cash Shop.. and INSANE PRICES on everything... insane in a way that you have to spend 30 dollars on .. not a full costume.. but ONE PIECE of a costume.
Really.. people don't understand how lucky ESO players have to have these kind of developers.
Greed in ESO? really not the case.. if not by the players maybe...8 -
Lysette✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭,nothing against cash shops, with reasonable pricing - but when greed is so blantantly obvious, it can *** off people and they might just stop subscribing.
Well.. if you go and play other mmos in the market the "obvious" greed you'ìre talking about will probably transform in "oh... ESO devs are so nice as to have a cash shop like this one!"
I'll just make an example.. Tree of Savior just released in early access soon to F2P model.. know how the game works "cash shop wise"?
Well you need to pay 18 dollars for 1 token (is kind of a subscription. The 18 dollars asked are ore than a lot of other way better mmos ask for it.. now to what the token actually gives you:
IF YOU BUY A TOKEN YOU GET:
1. a team storage with ONE slot in it... did i mention the fact that if you pass equipment in between your own characters with the team storage the item loses "potential" and after 2.3 times you transfer it it breaks down?
2. you get the ability to TRADE 1:1 with other players that HAVE the token themselfs.. that0's it.. even if you pay you will not be able to trade with people that do not pay.
3. dungeons runs in the game are limited to 2 per day PER ACCOUNT.. you get 1 more buying the token rising it up to 3.
4. you get 30 trades PER MONTH
Do i have to go on? then i'll tell you that even if you buy a token you can't "storage" silver (the gold of the game) to pass it to other characters in your account.. there' just no such option in the game...
But the game is going free to play so i guess it doesn't count? Well then why don't we go and look at Black Desert.. the such waited MMO for the last years?
B2P game... and you have a P2W Cash Shop.. and INSANE PRICES on everything... insane in a way that you have to spend 30 dollars on .. not a full costume.. but ONE PIECE of a costume.
Really.. people don't understand how lucky ESO players have to have these kind of developers.
Greed in ESO? really not the case.. if not by the players maybe...
I said already that f2p is the most expensive - I refuse to play this model.0 -
CaptainBeerDude✭✭✭✭✭So is everyone saying the DLC to advance your games is overpriced? I think that the prices are quite reasonable. Other things may be overpriced, but that's ok. Don't buy it. It is there for people with disposable income. If you just bought the 3 base DLC packages it would have been about $60. That means if I didn't already have the game, I could get full functionality for about $100. In this country, new games can be more expensive without DLC.
I mean, seriously, just ride the brown horse. Nobody cares.4 -
Uriel_Nocturne✭✭✭✭✭
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I see you mention EVE Online in almost every post you make.Uriel_Nocturne wrote: »
But that's just it. Compared to most every other MMO on the market, ESO isn't nearly as cash-shop-oriented as their competitors are.Honestly? If they want to make money off people that find joy in the game by buying costumes and various horse skins so that I can spend less to play, why the hell not? I've never really had an issue with ESO's cash shop other than prices on a some items. (assistants) I don't think micro transactions are going anywhere though OP. Even sub games seem to be adding them.
nothing against cash shops, with reasonable pricing - but when greed is so blantantly obvious, it can *** off people and they might just stop subscribing.
As other people have mentioned;
- You must Sub or regularly spend cash in SWtOR to do much of anything in that game.
- Black Desert Online? ... By the GODS their stuff is expensive...
- LotRO? While it's not nearly as bad as SWtOR or BDO, there are definitely some higher priced options and definitely more than a few P2W options there.
- GW2? Yeah...
By comparison, Zenimax is pretty classy and low-key in their promotions for the Crown Store. Lower priced too I might add.
If ESO is being "blatant" in their cash shop promotions, I recommend that you never fire up any other MMO...
I know that f2p is the most expensive - that is by design this way, but ESO is buy to play, there i expect reasonable prices in the cash shop or if not reasonable, then sellable stuff - but it is either account or character bound.
Edit. and this is not about money, it is about greed - I pay gladly for up to 7 accounts in EVE online, stuff in the cash shop there is expensive, but it is sellable to other players. So it benefits those, who just buy it with ingame cash and those who buy it with real money, because they can acquire ingame cash with it. In Eso this is blocked.
Well, wrong, I have 11 characters, but just 7 accounts in EVE, sorry.
This is starting to make me think that you want every other MMO to simply be a carbon copy of EVE...
I liked EVE for the time I played the game. But they and their cash shop are not as perfect as your testimonial make them out to be.
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PAWS (Positively Against Wrip-off Stuff) - Say no to Crown Crates!2 -
Lysette✭✭✭✭✭
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I prefer a model like EVE online has it - p2p - but you can as well get play time with ingame cash - so if you do not want to pay with real money, players can buy pilot licenses from others and play for free this way.0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Uriel_Nocturne wrote: »
I see you mention EVE Online in almost every post you make.Uriel_Nocturne wrote: »
But that's just it. Compared to most every other MMO on the market, ESO isn't nearly as cash-shop-oriented as their competitors are.Honestly? If they want to make money off people that find joy in the game by buying costumes and various horse skins so that I can spend less to play, why the hell not? I've never really had an issue with ESO's cash shop other than prices on a some items. (assistants) I don't think micro transactions are going anywhere though OP. Even sub games seem to be adding them.
nothing against cash shops, with reasonable pricing - but when greed is so blantantly obvious, it can *** off people and they might just stop subscribing.
As other people have mentioned;
- You must Sub or regularly spend cash in SWtOR to do much of anything in that game.
- Black Desert Online? ... By the GODS their stuff is expensive...
- LotRO? While it's not nearly as bad as SWtOR or BDO, there are definitely some higher priced options and definitely more than a few P2W options there.
- GW2? Yeah...
By comparison, Zenimax is pretty classy and low-key in their promotions for the Crown Store. Lower priced too I might add.
If ESO is being "blatant" in their cash shop promotions, I recommend that you never fire up any other MMO...
I know that f2p is the most expensive - that is by design this way, but ESO is buy to play, there i expect reasonable prices in the cash shop or if not reasonable, then sellable stuff - but it is either account or character bound.
Edit. and this is not about money, it is about greed - I pay gladly for up to 7 accounts in EVE online, stuff in the cash shop there is expensive, but it is sellable to other players. So it benefits those, who just buy it with ingame cash and those who buy it with real money, because they can acquire ingame cash with it. In Eso this is blocked.
Well, wrong, I have 11 characters, but just 7 accounts in EVE, sorry.
This is starting to make me think that you want every other MMO to simply be a carbon copy of EVE...
I liked EVE for the time I played the game. But they and their cash shop are not as perfect as your testimonial make them out to be.
I mention EVE because that is the benchmark for me to what I compare any MMO to - because I think EVE is the best MMO ever. It is just not fantasy, so I am as well here.1 -
Svalinn✭✭✭
I prefer a model like EVE online has it - p2p - but you can as well get play time with ingame cash - so if you do not want to pay with real money, players can buy pilot licenses from others and play for free this way.
Well.. if the game was P2P me and a lot of other players wouldn't be here.. in my opinion P2P is the worse system ever.. UNLESS you let me play the game i download solo all the time i want and i get to play monthly ONLY if i want to play multiplayer.. but if i pay 50 bucks for a game.. i want to play it all the damn time i feel like with no monthly.
I pay you 50, you gave me a game i can run solo on my pc.. if i want to log in to server and play with other i get to play a subscription? ok then i might think doing it.
As far as i'm concerned P2P is for masochists players that just want to own a game they don't really own... wasted money.
B2P like ESO is the perfect one.
Let me repeat once agan to make it clear: "FOR ME".. it is a personal opinion you might disagree all you want... the point beeing tho.. you like P2P but are still playing a B2P game... if this game would be P2P me, that like B2P, would NOT be playing the P2P version.
And i did spend my money in the CS of the game.1 -
emily3989✭✭✭✭✭Being able to pay real money for in-game tradeable items/subscription costs is a dangerous road.
First off, it supports the pay to win mentality (in the aspect that I can spend $100 on stuff, sell it for 150k gold in game, then buy best armor in game without doing anything in-game for it).
Second, your whales/bots will multiple like locusts.
No thank you.
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✭✭✭✭✭As a subscriber, I'd far rather click once every week or so on logging into the game to get rid of a pop-up alert to new offers than have a constant blatant reminder of the cash shop throughout the gaming session followed by a website link to upgrade as soon as I log out, as is the case with some other MMOs.1 -
Lysette✭✭✭✭✭
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I prefer a model like EVE online has it - p2p - but you can as well get play time with ingame cash - so if you do not want to pay with real money, players can buy pilot licenses from others and play for free this way.
Well.. if the game was P2P me and a lot of other players wouldn't be here.. in my opinion P2P is the worse system ever.. UNLESS you let me play the game i download solo all the time i want and i get to play monthly ONLY if i want to play multiplayer.. but if i pay 50 bucks for a game.. i want to play it all the damn time i feel like with no monthly.
I pay you 50, you gave me a game i can run solo on my pc.. if i want to log in to server and play with other i get to play a subscription? ok then i might think doing it.
As far as i'm concerned P2P is for masochists players that just want to own a game they don't really own... wasted money.
B2P like ESO is the perfect one.
Let me repeat once agan to make it clear: "FOR ME".. it is a personal opinion you might disagree all you want... the point beeing tho.. you like P2P but are still playing a B2P game... if this game would be P2P me, that like B2P, would NOT be playing the P2P version.
And i did spend my money in the CS of the game.
i am a subscriber so to me ESO is just like p2p. But anyway, we will not agree on this, so let's agree to disagree and good.0 -
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✭Honestly? If they want to make money off people that find joy in the game by buying costumes and various horse skins so that I can spend less to play, why the hell not? I've never really had an issue with ESO's cash shop other than prices on a some items. (assistants) I don't think micro transactions are going anywhere though OP. Even sub games seem to be adding them.
nothing against cash shops, with reasonable pricing - but when greed is so blantantly obvious, it can *** off people and they might just stop subscribing.
A couple of bottles of water at Disney World is like $10, yet the park is still full everyday. They will change their ways only when it is economically necessary. If people keep buying the $5k assistants, they will continue to cost $5k.
Yes, and they loose all those people, who would have gladly paid 1.5k - and those might be more than 3.5 times those, who bought it for 5k - they are loosing money, by not making the most they could, if they would just be less greedy.
They will offer something else to people who have spare 1.5K; assistants are here for people with 5K so they have something to spend it on. Do not worry, they will get precisely the maximum amount of money from everyone, last but not least because the only item that actually translates into revenue are crowns, i.e. people who vow not to spend their X crowns on Y, because it is "overpriced for Z ", and have that X crowns, have already been milked for as much as possible (confusion here may be deliberate).0 -
Xjcon✭✭✭✭✭Umm. There is no obligation to buy motifs. Calling them greedy just shows you don't know what it takes to run a buisiness or perhaps even pay bills. If some people are willing to buy these sorts of things then that's their choice.Briza Do'urdenx V16 Dunmer DK
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Lysette✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Honestly? If they want to make money off people that find joy in the game by buying costumes and various horse skins so that I can spend less to play, why the hell not? I've never really had an issue with ESO's cash shop other than prices on a some items. (assistants) I don't think micro transactions are going anywhere though OP. Even sub games seem to be adding them.
nothing against cash shops, with reasonable pricing - but when greed is so blantantly obvious, it can *** off people and they might just stop subscribing.
A couple of bottles of water at Disney World is like $10, yet the park is still full everyday. They will change their ways only when it is economically necessary. If people keep buying the $5k assistants, they will continue to cost $5k.
Yes, and they loose all those people, who would have gladly paid 1.5k - and those might be more than 3.5 times those, who bought it for 5k - they are loosing money, by not making the most they could, if they would just be less greedy.
They will offer something else to people who have spare 1.5K; assistants are here for people with 5K so they have something to spend it on. Do not worry, they will get precisely the maximum amount of money from everyone, last but not least because the only item that actually translates into revenue are crowns, i.e. people who vow not to spend their X crowns on Y, because it is "overpriced for Z ", and have that X crowns, have already been milked for as much as possible (confusion here may be deliberate).
See, i have most stuff what is in the crown store, I am not against a crown store and not against spending money on it, but I do not want to feel ripped off by unreasonable high and greedy pricing. I expect some quality for my money at prices, where we all can be happy, ZOS and me. High price for high quality is ok - but high price for low quality or low service quality is not.0 -
Svalinn✭✭✭i am a subscriber so to me ESO is just like p2p. But anyway, we will not agree on this, so let's agree to disagree and good.
I agree on the necessity of agreeing on the fact that an agreement will never be possible between us since a disagreement will always have the highest possible chance of happening in a conversation about agreeing or disagreeing to this particular subject :P2 -
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✭✭✭Psychotius wrote: »ikr? Like, what company actually needs a revenue stream. First they try to charge us subscriptions just to play, then when they get rid of that they give us a choice as to give them anymore money... Not cool.
Plus, the whole 42k gold for a horse argument doesnt actually follow since they don't make a profit from in game gold...
Not sure if troll though.
They do when people buy horses from the cash shop because they don't want to grind 42k for a horse, which was their obvious intention.BawKinTackWarDs PS4/NA0 -
vyrusb23✭✭✭✭✭Uriel_Nocturne wrote: »
I see you mention EVE Online in almost every post you make.Uriel_Nocturne wrote: »
But that's just it. Compared to most every other MMO on the market, ESO isn't nearly as cash-shop-oriented as their competitors are.Honestly? If they want to make money off people that find joy in the game by buying costumes and various horse skins so that I can spend less to play, why the hell not? I've never really had an issue with ESO's cash shop other than prices on a some items. (assistants) I don't think micro transactions are going anywhere though OP. Even sub games seem to be adding them.
nothing against cash shops, with reasonable pricing - but when greed is so blantantly obvious, it can *** off people and they might just stop subscribing.
As other people have mentioned;
- You must Sub or regularly spend cash in SWtOR to do much of anything in that game.
- Black Desert Online? ... By the GODS their stuff is expensive...
- LotRO? While it's not nearly as bad as SWtOR or BDO, there are definitely some higher priced options and definitely more than a few P2W options there.
- GW2? Yeah...
By comparison, Zenimax is pretty classy and low-key in their promotions for the Crown Store. Lower priced too I might add.
If ESO is being "blatant" in their cash shop promotions, I recommend that you never fire up any other MMO...
I know that f2p is the most expensive - that is by design this way, but ESO is buy to play, there i expect reasonable prices in the cash shop or if not reasonable, then sellable stuff - but it is either account or character bound.
Edit. and this is not about money, it is about greed - I pay gladly for up to 7 accounts in EVE online, stuff in the cash shop there is expensive, but it is sellable to other players. So it benefits those, who just buy it with ingame cash and those who buy it with real money, because they can acquire ingame cash with it. In Eso this is blocked.
Well, wrong, I have 11 characters, but just 7 accounts in EVE, sorry.
This is starting to make me think that you want every other MMO to simply be a carbon copy of EVE...
I liked EVE for the time I played the game. But they and their cash shop are not as perfect as your testimonial make them out to be.
I mention EVE because that is the benchmark for me to what I compare any MMO to - because I think EVE is the best MMO ever. It is just not fantasy, so I am as well here.
It's pretty damn good (arguably the best). I played for a total of about 7 years, got myself up to around 120k skill points, participated in all of the epically huge PvP battles in lawless 0.0, was part of the CFC .... There is literally nothing else like EVE online. It is truly unique and mind bending.
Carry on.Edited by vyrusb23 on April 18, 2016 9:14PM0 -
Tommy1979AtWar✭✭✭✭Who else saw the thread title and dropped in with popcorn to watch the usual suspects vigorously polishing their helmets?.
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Svalinn✭✭✭They do when people buy horses from the cash shop because they don't want to grind 42k for a horse, which was their obvious intention.
So well.. what is the deal with horses? seems like grinding 42k of gold is not that much a deal in the game... or are we talking about something that goes a long way back in the past?0 -
Lysette✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Umm. There is no obligation to buy motifs. Calling them greedy just shows you don't know what it takes to run a buisiness or perhaps even pay bills. If some people are willing to buy these sorts of things then that's their choice.
I don't know how to run a business - we have actually a couple of enterprises in several countries. I am used to pay high prices for high quality, that is why I expect that in ESO as well, reasonable prices for a reasonable service quality. But look at those assistants - they cost around 35€ each - and they do not even have the functionality which is advertised, but are watered down to some basic functionality - that I call low service quality - and the price is unreasonably high for this.0 -
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✭✭Tommy1979AtWar wrote: »Who else saw the thread title and dropped in with popcorn to watch the usual suspects vigorously polishing their helmets?.
This one2 -
Psychotius✭✭✭Tommy1979AtWar wrote: »Who else saw the thread title and dropped in with popcorn to watch the usual suspects vigorously polishing their helmets?.
You have to stoke the fires on occasion too, only way to keep the show interesting.I'm not as am as you drunk I think.3 -
m0riarty23✭✭May I also just state the obvious (if it hasn't been said already). These items are priced to sell. If they weren't selling at these prices, they would have adjusted downward until they do sell.
Now you might think they are overpriced, but there are enough people out there buying them, for ZOS to justify the price.
Trust me, i get it. Some of those items don't feel worth it to me. But thats my opinion, because if you think about it, NONE of those items are "worth" the price. They are virtual items. There is no bottle of heath potion. Is it still worth real money? Only you can say.1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Uriel_Nocturne wrote: »
I see you mention EVE Online in almost every post you make.Uriel_Nocturne wrote: »
But that's just it. Compared to most every other MMO on the market, ESO isn't nearly as cash-shop-oriented as their competitors are.Honestly? If they want to make money off people that find joy in the game by buying costumes and various horse skins so that I can spend less to play, why the hell not? I've never really had an issue with ESO's cash shop other than prices on a some items. (assistants) I don't think micro transactions are going anywhere though OP. Even sub games seem to be adding them.
nothing against cash shops, with reasonable pricing - but when greed is so blantantly obvious, it can *** off people and they might just stop subscribing.
As other people have mentioned;
- You must Sub or regularly spend cash in SWtOR to do much of anything in that game.
- Black Desert Online? ... By the GODS their stuff is expensive...
- LotRO? While it's not nearly as bad as SWtOR or BDO, there are definitely some higher priced options and definitely more than a few P2W options there.
- GW2? Yeah...
By comparison, Zenimax is pretty classy and low-key in their promotions for the Crown Store. Lower priced too I might add.
If ESO is being "blatant" in their cash shop promotions, I recommend that you never fire up any other MMO...
I know that f2p is the most expensive - that is by design this way, but ESO is buy to play, there i expect reasonable prices in the cash shop or if not reasonable, then sellable stuff - but it is either account or character bound.
Edit. and this is not about money, it is about greed - I pay gladly for up to 7 accounts in EVE online, stuff in the cash shop there is expensive, but it is sellable to other players. So it benefits those, who just buy it with ingame cash and those who buy it with real money, because they can acquire ingame cash with it. In Eso this is blocked.
Well, wrong, I have 11 characters, but just 7 accounts in EVE, sorry.
This is starting to make me think that you want every other MMO to simply be a carbon copy of EVE...
I liked EVE for the time I played the game. But they and their cash shop are not as perfect as your testimonial make them out to be.
I mention EVE because that is the benchmark for me to what I compare any MMO to - because I think EVE is the best MMO ever. It is just not fantasy, so I am as well here.
It's pretty damn good (arguably the best). I played for a total of about 7 years, got myself up to around 120k skill points, participated in all of the epically huge PvP battles in lawless 0.0, was part of the CFC .... There is literally nothing else like EVE online. It is truly unique and mind bending.
Carry on.
Exactly, I play EVE since 2008, so we have about the same experience.0 -
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✭✭Psychotius wrote: »Tommy1979AtWar wrote: »Who else saw the thread title and dropped in with popcorn to watch the usual suspects vigorously polishing their helmets?.
You have to stoke the fires on occasion too, only way to keep the show interesting.
Oh yes let's not forget to do that.1 -
You say developers but the people who actually profit from Crown Store and the game itself are not the people who actually implement all these things. they get a salary just like all normal employees and maybe a bonus if it does well enough.
Plus the game went B2P and the crown store thing that shows up right as you log in is pretty much a feature of most games like that, especially F2P ones. Plus since the crown store doesn't really sell anything you actually need just things you might want they have to remind you of it otherwise people would just forget about it.
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✭✭✭✭✭The assistant price is unreasonable - see, on sale ZOS itself sells ESO standard edition for 22€ - the whole game 22€ - and that assistant is 35€ - and just a watered down tiny part of what the whole standard edition is - that is not any reasonable that is greedy.0 -
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✭Atleast you only have to buy costumes and mounts once. I have played a fair few mmo's that charge per character like swtor.0 -
Tommy1979AtWar✭✭✭✭FLuFFyxMuFFiN wrote: »Psychotius wrote: »Tommy1979AtWar wrote: »Who else saw the thread title and dropped in with popcorn to watch the usual suspects vigorously polishing their helmets?.
You have to stoke the fires on occasion too, only way to keep the show interesting.
Oh yes let's not forget to do that.
Agreed... whatever you do don't mention p2w though, it turns it from a muppets comedy sketch to an episode of murder she wrote in the blink of an eye.0
