Enough Is Enough!

CyrusArya · April 2016

If you have terrible luck, that's a personal problem. While I understand the frustration with PvP, it's unfair to say ZOS is not trying or ignoring the issues at hand, that's kind of a childish statement that people parrot on these forums. The issue is, as I suspect, that ZOS is severely understaffed and underfunded to appropriately facilitate this game. That being said, I think a lot of the lag issues could be fixed by simply adding another cp campaign and lowering pop caps. The game plays so well when it's 3 bars across the board as it is right now.

If you think Templars are underpowered or negatively unbalanced, I'm sorry but that's 100% a l2p issue. Both magicka and stamina are great right now. Class balance is the best it's ever been far as I'm concerned.

CyrusArya · April 2016

Double post.

kuro-dono · April 2016

running around 500th wgt run to get perfect kena mask and imperium set chest piece + helmet, but i keep getting... well you know everyones favorite stuff

disintegr8 wrote: »

What I would give to complete vWGT even once...... let alone 200+ times. My main is a v16 DK stam tank with over 300 CP but I still have to rely on group finder to run dungeons. Hence I have had maybe 20 attempts at vWGT and never got past The Adjudicator as the zombies always overrun us. With never running a healer or DPS in here I cannot necessarily blame anyone - maybe they all blame me. I'll just sook and say that ZOS has it in for Tanks as well as DK's and stamina builds - I lose on all three counts :'(

I still find a lot of good things about this game though and getting strung out over one dungeon or a specific drop item is not worth it. If you can successfully run vWGT hundreds of times I suggest you do not really NEED the helm anyway.

lolled. i am running around 500th wgt run, trying to complete my last 2 set with perfect traits, imperium and spell cure also, trying to get my first heavy or light mask with infused, proving to be impossible job

Magdalina · April 2016

CyrusArya wrote: »

If you have terrible luck, that's a personal problem. While I understand the frustration with PvP, it's unfair to say ZOS is not trying or ignoring the issues at hand, that's kind of a childish statement that people parrot on these forums. The issue is, as I suspect, that ZOS is severely understaffed and underfunded to appropriately facilitate this game. That being said, I think a lot of the lag issues could be fixed by simply adding another cp campaign and lowering pop caps. The game plays so well when it's 3 bars across the board as it is right now.

If you think Templars are underpowered or negatively unbalanced, I'm sorry but that's 100% a l2p issue. Both magicka and stamina are great right now. Class balance is the best it's ever been far as I'm concerned.

Oh hai @CyrusArya

His "terrible" luck is so much more than a personal problem though. The problem here is that it's possible to NEVER ever get the item you want, no matter how many times and how perfectly you run the instance...it shouldn't be, plain and simple. It's stupid. If he ran WGT 200+ times(and yes I am inclined to believe him, I KNOW it is possible with ESO RNG) he deserves that head. There's nothing more frustrating than running a dungeon 200-300 times, being perfect at it and whatnot, get f*ckall, then see a pug you just carried through get it on his very first run after having spent most of it dead(mind you I'm not blaming the lucky person in question, I'm blaming ZOS). It stops being "his personal problem" soon as it happens to you(or one of your close friends I guess, I know people who have quit ESO partially because of this).

If tokens is too hard, what is stopping ZOS from adding some smart RNG like I described in one of my previous posts, one that'd up your chances for every run without a helm? Make it literally impossible to not get a helm after 200 runs. They would lose nothing over this but gain eternal gratitude from those of us not favored by RNG gods.
Do I really believe they'll bother? Nope. I don't even believe they care. One of my friends who ran Elden Hollow well over 300 times(yes, he was counting) back when they just released Undaunted sets(he was a healer really keen on trying Bogdan set) even messaged them about it and got a reply saying they're sorry and all but it's working as intended. 300+ runs with 0 helmets is working as intended. Good job keeping loyal customers, Zeni. The guy's stopped playing btw, not only/entirely over this but fairly sure it contributed. Can't say I blame him.

On a side note, ZOS RNG is also ZOS' problems because it's anything but random. Not sure what exactly it's using generate its "random" numbers(my guess is something character based rather than account based since some characters on same account seem luckier than others) but it's fairly obvious some people are luckier than others. It's also fairly obvious sometimes the system...I'm not even sure what it does but seems performing same action several times in a row is more than likely to result with the very same thing even if the probability theory says it shouldn't be(is it basing the "random" number off the action's time or something). For instance putting together Glass motifs fragments yielded me 3 Bows and then another time 3 Maces in a row. Not first time I noticed something like that.

reften · April 2016

+1, my guild leaders have left the game due to the lag...you keep pushing content in thinking the content will keep us around.

Want to keep us around? Fix the PvP lag.

Last patch heavily nerfed NBs, add FCs which caused more players to be in concentrated areas more often = more and more lag.

Just like DAoC. I love the PvP, but people I play with are leaving because of the lag. And, I guess I'm leaving too since there is no fix in sight.

PS - I'd rather be hit through walls than play the game with lag. Put that in your pipe and smoke it

FLuFFyxMuFFiN · April 2016

You people are crazy. I don't think I have run any dungeon more than 15 times before getting what I wanted. Every helm I have gotten has always been infused or divines except for one and that wasn't even a helm I needed. RNG is a myth. Clearly a L2P issue. Git Gud scrubs /sarcasm

Edit: Someone didn't understand the sarcasm

Lucius_Aelius · April 2016

FLuFFyxMuFFiN wrote: »

You people are crazy. I don't think I have run any dungeon more than 15 times before getting what I wanted. Every helm I have gotten has always been infused or divines except for one and that wasn't even a helm I needed. RNG is a myth. Clearly a L2P issue. Git Gud scrubs

Idiot troll is an idiot, go be a pox on the face of humanity somewhere else.

katamuro11b16_ESO · April 2016

You know I can see both sides of the argument.
It is true that there are lot of people who demand a lot of things from developers no matter how stupid or ridiculous it seems. And quite a few of the more legitimate concerns get swept away by pointing towards the more visible and loud examples and saying it's simply entitled gamers whining as always.

On the other hand ZOS and ESO have real problems, real problems which haven't been fixed for a long time or that have had solutions to them that seemed worse than the problem. Class imbalance, loading issues, lag spikes are all real issues that are there and yet the most common answer is that its the players problem and they have to deal with it.

But some people have friends in the game, they enjoy their time with these people and they would find it hard to replace this with something else. They might have a busy schedule or they might simply not enough energy to actually go and deal with people and real life after working all day and for them to find the game that they have spent so much time on getting worse(subjectively mostly but sometimes quite truly objectively) is very frustrating.

We all have frustration in our lives and how we deal with it is different so when you see the tool that you used to use to make your frustration go away actually causing you frustration its an endless loop until you either get so frustrated and angry that you drop it and hate it or find something else. Or very, very rarely they actually fix it and you like it again. But considering the history of mmorpg's that is the most unlikely option here.

FLuFFyxMuFFiN · April 2016

Lucius_Aelius wrote: »

FLuFFyxMuFFiN wrote: »

You people are crazy. I don't think I have run any dungeon more than 15 times before getting what I wanted. Every helm I have gotten has always been infused or divines except for one and that wasn't even a helm I needed. RNG is a myth. Clearly a L2P issue. Git Gud scrubs

Idiot troll is an idiot, go be a pox on the face of humanity somewhere else.

No I stay here. I like it here. Upset you don't have the helm you want? Don't worry you will get it. Also I edited my post seeing how you didn't get the sarcasm.

nimander99 · April 2016

I play many MMO's and have been doing so since 1999 and do you want to know what the number one forum complaint across all those years and all those games is?

Duh fix yer brokded game <Insert Developer>

Lucius_Aelius · April 2016

FLuFFyxMuFFiN wrote: »

Lucius_Aelius wrote: »

FLuFFyxMuFFiN wrote: »

You people are crazy. I don't think I have run any dungeon more than 15 times before getting what I wanted. Every helm I have gotten has always been infused or divines except for one and that wasn't even a helm I needed. RNG is a myth. Clearly a L2P issue. Git Gud scrubs

Idiot troll is an idiot, go be a pox on the face of humanity somewhere else.

No I stay here. I like it here. Upset you don't have the helm you want? Don't worry you will get it. Also I edited my post seeing how you didn't get the sarcasm.

Nope I have everything I need, but I'm not an ass and believe that others should have the same opportunity that I have had, and coming into a thread about a legitimate greavance with your bad jokes is in very poor taste, and you're a troll whether you were kidding or not. RNGesus is not a laughing matter, he is an *** that causes misery to countless people when they should just be enjoying the game they paid good money for.

ikza · April 2016

I'm tired of see lot of ppl with tiger mount when i dont have one, so please ZOS remove all the tiger mounts from the game or give me one and 10000 crowns.

Also i want always gold tempers, maps and ambrosia recipes from writs...

and see the Steelers champions this season.

FLuFFyxMuFFiN · April 2016

Lucius_Aelius wrote: »

FLuFFyxMuFFiN wrote: »

Lucius_Aelius wrote: »

FLuFFyxMuFFiN wrote: »

You people are crazy. I don't think I have run any dungeon more than 15 times before getting what I wanted. Every helm I have gotten has always been infused or divines except for one and that wasn't even a helm I needed. RNG is a myth. Clearly a L2P issue. Git Gud scrubs

Idiot troll is an idiot, go be a pox on the face of humanity somewhere else.

No I stay here. I like it here. Upset you don't have the helm you want? Don't worry you will get it. Also I edited my post seeing how you didn't get the sarcasm.

Nope I have everything I need, but I'm not an ass and believe that others should have the same opportunity that I have had, and coming into a thread about a legitimate greavance with your bad jokes is in very poor taste, and you're a troll whether you were kidding or not. RNGesus is not a laughing matter, he is an *** that causes misery to countless people when they should just be enjoying the game they paid good money for.

Last I checked everyone does have the same opportunity you had. Why don't we just remove RNG and give everyone everything. Then everyone can enjoy the game. Then we wouldn't have to deal with these butthurt RNG threads.

Lucius_Aelius · April 2016

FLuFFyxMuFFiN wrote: »

Lucius_Aelius wrote: »

FLuFFyxMuFFiN wrote: »

Lucius_Aelius wrote: »

FLuFFyxMuFFiN wrote: »

You people are crazy. I don't think I have run any dungeon more than 15 times before getting what I wanted. Every helm I have gotten has always been infused or divines except for one and that wasn't even a helm I needed. RNG is a myth. Clearly a L2P issue. Git Gud scrubs

Idiot troll is an idiot, go be a pox on the face of humanity somewhere else.

No I stay here. I like it here. Upset you don't have the helm you want? Don't worry you will get it. Also I edited my post seeing how you didn't get the sarcasm.

Nope I have everything I need, but I'm not an ass and believe that others should have the same opportunity that I have had, and coming into a thread about a legitimate greavance with your bad jokes is in very poor taste, and you're a troll whether you were kidding or not. RNGesus is not a laughing matter, he is an *** that causes misery to countless people when they should just be enjoying the game they paid good money for.

Last I checked everyone does have the same opportunity you had. Why don't we just remove RNG and give everyone everything. Then everyone can enjoy the game.

Don't be stupid, you know full well that's not what I'm suggesting, but there are plenty of ways that RNG could either be mitigated or replaced that would improve the reward system in this and other games astronomically, and the only reasons not to are laziness or apathy on the part of the Developers.

Not that I would expect such a dramatic change to happen quickly, if they changed the reward system in any significant way it would likely involve a tremendous amount of hard work on their part, but that's not to say they shouldn't still do it, and tell us that a fix is being worked on. Thus far all we have from them is silence apart from the new vendor selling monster sets, and as nice as that is it's just a bandaid covering a gaping wound and in no way amounts to a fix for so many rewards still being pure RNG.

I don't even feel like bothering with Maelstrom Arena because of the low chance of getting a drop that's actually useful, and as long as end game activities offer bound rewards via pure RNG then there's always going to be a problem.

And when I said opportunity, I meant opportunity to possess what I possess, and so long as RNG keeps trolling people like the OP then people are in fact being denied that opportunity, and for no good reason, just bad design.

jowww97 · April 2016

It is not about giving everything to everyone. It's about balance. I've completed the maelstron arena 50 times by now, and I got 7 bows, not a single destruction staff. And everytime I made a new run I get nothing (breeches or jewelery) or another godamn bow. I'm in the top 100 maelstron arena every week, and I got 3 bows and 1 greatsword. Stupid bows, stupid RGN

This RGN is out of control. You guys dont know the pain to run the same thing over and over and get the same stuff every time, or worse, to get nothing like this guy who run white gold more than 200 times.

FLuFFyxMuFFiN · April 2016

Lucius_Aelius wrote: »

FLuFFyxMuFFiN wrote: »

Lucius_Aelius wrote: »

FLuFFyxMuFFiN wrote: »

Lucius_Aelius wrote: »

FLuFFyxMuFFiN wrote: »

You people are crazy. I don't think I have run any dungeon more than 15 times before getting what I wanted. Every helm I have gotten has always been infused or divines except for one and that wasn't even a helm I needed. RNG is a myth. Clearly a L2P issue. Git Gud scrubs

Idiot troll is an idiot, go be a pox on the face of humanity somewhere else.

No I stay here. I like it here. Upset you don't have the helm you want? Don't worry you will get it. Also I edited my post seeing how you didn't get the sarcasm.

Nope I have everything I need, but I'm not an ass and believe that others should have the same opportunity that I have had, and coming into a thread about a legitimate greavance with your bad jokes is in very poor taste, and you're a troll whether you were kidding or not. RNGesus is not a laughing matter, he is an *** that causes misery to countless people when they should just be enjoying the game they paid good money for.

Last I checked everyone does have the same opportunity you had. Why don't we just remove RNG and give everyone everything. Then everyone can enjoy the game.

Don't be stupid, you know full well that's not what I'm suggesting, but there are plenty of ways that RNG could either be mitigated or replaced that would improve the reward system in this and other games astronomically, and the only reasons not to are laziness or apathy on the part of the Developers.

Not that I would expect such a dramatic change to happen quickly, if they changed the reward system in any significant way it would likely involve a tremendous amount of hard work on their part, but that's not to say they shouldn't still do it, and tell us that a fix is being worked on. Thus far all we have from them is silence apart from the new vendor selling monster sets, and as nice as that is it's just a bandaid covering a gaping wound and in no way amounts to a fix for so many rewards still being pure RNG.

I don't even feel like bothering with Maelstrom Arena because of the low chance of getting a drop that's actually useful, and as long as end game activities offer bound rewards via pure RNG then there's always going to be a problem.

They added the monster set vendor in Cyrodiil to help the people get what they need. I am perfectly fine with the system how it is. I'm perfectly fine with not having BiS gear right away. I'm perfectly fine with the chance that I will never get some of the new sets that will come out. Call me a troll if you want but I am dead serious.

Lucius_Aelius · April 2016

FLuFFyxMuFFiN wrote: »

Lucius_Aelius wrote: »

FLuFFyxMuFFiN wrote: »

Lucius_Aelius wrote: »

FLuFFyxMuFFiN wrote: »

Lucius_Aelius wrote: »

FLuFFyxMuFFiN wrote: »

You people are crazy. I don't think I have run any dungeon more than 15 times before getting what I wanted. Every helm I have gotten has always been infused or divines except for one and that wasn't even a helm I needed. RNG is a myth. Clearly a L2P issue. Git Gud scrubs

Idiot troll is an idiot, go be a pox on the face of humanity somewhere else.

No I stay here. I like it here. Upset you don't have the helm you want? Don't worry you will get it. Also I edited my post seeing how you didn't get the sarcasm.

Nope I have everything I need, but I'm not an ass and believe that others should have the same opportunity that I have had, and coming into a thread about a legitimate greavance with your bad jokes is in very poor taste, and you're a troll whether you were kidding or not. RNGesus is not a laughing matter, he is an *** that causes misery to countless people when they should just be enjoying the game they paid good money for.

Last I checked everyone does have the same opportunity you had. Why don't we just remove RNG and give everyone everything. Then everyone can enjoy the game.

Don't be stupid, you know full well that's not what I'm suggesting, but there are plenty of ways that RNG could either be mitigated or replaced that would improve the reward system in this and other games astronomically, and the only reasons not to are laziness or apathy on the part of the Developers.

Not that I would expect such a dramatic change to happen quickly, if they changed the reward system in any significant way it would likely involve a tremendous amount of hard work on their part, but that's not to say they shouldn't still do it, and tell us that a fix is being worked on. Thus far all we have from them is silence apart from the new vendor selling monster sets, and as nice as that is it's just a bandaid covering a gaping wound and in no way amounts to a fix for so many rewards still being pure RNG.

I don't even feel like bothering with Maelstrom Arena because of the low chance of getting a drop that's actually useful, and as long as end game activities offer bound rewards via pure RNG then there's always going to be a problem.

They added the monster set vendor in Cyrodiil to help the people get what they need.

I'm typing on my phone with a bandaid on my thumb and hit post by accident before I was ready, I edited the above post to finish as quickly as I could but you beat me to it, read the rest for my response to that.

Oh, and apparently my post already addressed that in the bit you quoted, so I fail to see your point in repeating what I've already explained as being a bandaid and not in any way a proper fix to a major problem.

FLuFFyxMuFFiN · April 2016

You have your opinion. I have mine. I'm done arguing and I am moving on. I suggest you do the same.

Lucius_Aelius · April 2016

FLuFFyxMuFFiN wrote: »

Lucius_Aelius wrote: »

FLuFFyxMuFFiN wrote: »

Lucius_Aelius wrote: »

FLuFFyxMuFFiN wrote: »

Lucius_Aelius wrote: »

FLuFFyxMuFFiN wrote: »

You people are crazy. I don't think I have run any dungeon more than 15 times before getting what I wanted. Every helm I have gotten has always been infused or divines except for one and that wasn't even a helm I needed. RNG is a myth. Clearly a L2P issue. Git Gud scrubs

Idiot troll is an idiot, go be a pox on the face of humanity somewhere else.

No I stay here. I like it here. Upset you don't have the helm you want? Don't worry you will get it. Also I edited my post seeing how you didn't get the sarcasm.

Nope I have everything I need, but I'm not an ass and believe that others should have the same opportunity that I have had, and coming into a thread about a legitimate greavance with your bad jokes is in very poor taste, and you're a troll whether you were kidding or not. RNGesus is not a laughing matter, he is an *** that causes misery to countless people when they should just be enjoying the game they paid good money for.

Last I checked everyone does have the same opportunity you had. Why don't we just remove RNG and give everyone everything. Then everyone can enjoy the game.

Don't be stupid, you know full well that's not what I'm suggesting, but there are plenty of ways that RNG could either be mitigated or replaced that would improve the reward system in this and other games astronomically, and the only reasons not to are laziness or apathy on the part of the Developers.

Not that I would expect such a dramatic change to happen quickly, if they changed the reward system in any significant way it would likely involve a tremendous amount of hard work on their part, but that's not to say they shouldn't still do it, and tell us that a fix is being worked on. Thus far all we have from them is silence apart from the new vendor selling monster sets, and as nice as that is it's just a bandaid covering a gaping wound and in no way amounts to a fix for so many rewards still being pure RNG.

I don't even feel like bothering with Maelstrom Arena because of the low chance of getting a drop that's actually useful, and as long as end game activities offer bound rewards via pure RNG then there's always going to be a problem.

They added the monster set vendor in Cyrodiil to help the people get what they need. I am perfectly fine with the system how it is. I'm perfectly fine with not having BiS gear right away. I'm perfectly fine with the chance that I will never get some of the new sets that will come out. Call me a troll if you want but I am dead serious.

You're only a troll if you make jokes at others' expense and rub it in that you have everything, that's a *** move and I called you out on it accordingly. Stating in a calm manner that you like RNG as is doesn't even remotely qualify as trolling, if you'd started off like that then we could have avoided any unpleasantness.

I couldn't disagree more though, there is nothing more messed up than being denied a deserved reward no matter how many times you complete the requisite activity, that is fundamentally broken and should absolutely be fixed asap.

Lucius_Aelius · April 2016

FLuFFyxMuFFiN wrote: »

You have your opinion. I have mine. I'm done arguing and I am moving on. I suggest you do the same.

I've said my piece, nothing more to add.

FLuFFyxMuFFiN · April 2016

Lucius_Aelius wrote: »

FLuFFyxMuFFiN wrote: »

Lucius_Aelius wrote: »

FLuFFyxMuFFiN wrote: »

Lucius_Aelius wrote: »

FLuFFyxMuFFiN wrote: »

Lucius_Aelius wrote: »

FLuFFyxMuFFiN wrote: »

You people are crazy. I don't think I have run any dungeon more than 15 times before getting what I wanted. Every helm I have gotten has always been infused or divines except for one and that wasn't even a helm I needed. RNG is a myth. Clearly a L2P issue. Git Gud scrubs

Idiot troll is an idiot, go be a pox on the face of humanity somewhere else.

No I stay here. I like it here. Upset you don't have the helm you want? Don't worry you will get it. Also I edited my post seeing how you didn't get the sarcasm.

Nope I have everything I need, but I'm not an ass and believe that others should have the same opportunity that I have had, and coming into a thread about a legitimate greavance with your bad jokes is in very poor taste, and you're a troll whether you were kidding or not. RNGesus is not a laughing matter, he is an *** that causes misery to countless people when they should just be enjoying the game they paid good money for.

Last I checked everyone does have the same opportunity you had. Why don't we just remove RNG and give everyone everything. Then everyone can enjoy the game.

Don't be stupid, you know full well that's not what I'm suggesting, but there are plenty of ways that RNG could either be mitigated or replaced that would improve the reward system in this and other games astronomically, and the only reasons not to are laziness or apathy on the part of the Developers.

Not that I would expect such a dramatic change to happen quickly, if they changed the reward system in any significant way it would likely involve a tremendous amount of hard work on their part, but that's not to say they shouldn't still do it, and tell us that a fix is being worked on. Thus far all we have from them is silence apart from the new vendor selling monster sets, and as nice as that is it's just a bandaid covering a gaping wound and in no way amounts to a fix for so many rewards still being pure RNG.

I don't even feel like bothering with Maelstrom Arena because of the low chance of getting a drop that's actually useful, and as long as end game activities offer bound rewards via pure RNG then there's always going to be a problem.

They added the monster set vendor in Cyrodiil to help the people get what they need. I am perfectly fine with the system how it is. I'm perfectly fine with not having BiS gear right away. I'm perfectly fine with the chance that I will never get some of the new sets that will come out. Call me a troll if you want but I am dead serious.

You're only a troll if you make jokes at others' expense and rub it in that you have everything, that's a *** move and I called you out on it accordingly. Stating in a calm manner that you like RNG as is doesn't even remotely qualify as trolling, if you'd started off like that then we could have avoided any unpleasantness.

I couldn't disagree more though, there is nothing more messed up than being denied a deserved reward no matter how many times you complete the requisite activity, that is fundamentally broken and should absolutely be fixed asap.

Well I will apologize for that. I truly do feel sympathy for people who play everyday and still get nothing. But sometimes it is hard to feel sympathy for some people. I still don't have any maelstrom weapons and probably never will. I'm not against a token system, but if they never added one I wouldn't be too upset.

Lucius_Aelius · April 2016

FLuFFyxMuFFiN wrote: »

Lucius_Aelius wrote: »

FLuFFyxMuFFiN wrote: »

Lucius_Aelius wrote: »

FLuFFyxMuFFiN wrote: »

Lucius_Aelius wrote: »

FLuFFyxMuFFiN wrote: »

Lucius_Aelius wrote: »

FLuFFyxMuFFiN wrote: »

You people are crazy. I don't think I have run any dungeon more than 15 times before getting what I wanted. Every helm I have gotten has always been infused or divines except for one and that wasn't even a helm I needed. RNG is a myth. Clearly a L2P issue. Git Gud scrubs

Idiot troll is an idiot, go be a pox on the face of humanity somewhere else.

No I stay here. I like it here. Upset you don't have the helm you want? Don't worry you will get it. Also I edited my post seeing how you didn't get the sarcasm.

Nope I have everything I need, but I'm not an ass and believe that others should have the same opportunity that I have had, and coming into a thread about a legitimate greavance with your bad jokes is in very poor taste, and you're a troll whether you were kidding or not. RNGesus is not a laughing matter, he is an *** that causes misery to countless people when they should just be enjoying the game they paid good money for.

Last I checked everyone does have the same opportunity you had. Why don't we just remove RNG and give everyone everything. Then everyone can enjoy the game.

Don't be stupid, you know full well that's not what I'm suggesting, but there are plenty of ways that RNG could either be mitigated or replaced that would improve the reward system in this and other games astronomically, and the only reasons not to are laziness or apathy on the part of the Developers.

Not that I would expect such a dramatic change to happen quickly, if they changed the reward system in any significant way it would likely involve a tremendous amount of hard work on their part, but that's not to say they shouldn't still do it, and tell us that a fix is being worked on. Thus far all we have from them is silence apart from the new vendor selling monster sets, and as nice as that is it's just a bandaid covering a gaping wound and in no way amounts to a fix for so many rewards still being pure RNG.

I don't even feel like bothering with Maelstrom Arena because of the low chance of getting a drop that's actually useful, and as long as end game activities offer bound rewards via pure RNG then there's always going to be a problem.

They added the monster set vendor in Cyrodiil to help the people get what they need. I am perfectly fine with the system how it is. I'm perfectly fine with not having BiS gear right away. I'm perfectly fine with the chance that I will never get some of the new sets that will come out. Call me a troll if you want but I am dead serious.

You're only a troll if you make jokes at others' expense and rub it in that you have everything, that's a *** move and I called you out on it accordingly. Stating in a calm manner that you like RNG as is doesn't even remotely qualify as trolling, if you'd started off like that then we could have avoided any unpleasantness.

I couldn't disagree more though, there is nothing more messed up than being denied a deserved reward no matter how many times you complete the requisite activity, that is fundamentally broken and should absolutely be fixed asap.

Well I will apologize for that. I truly do feel sympathy for people who play everyday and still get nothing. But sometimes it is hard to feel sympathy for some people. I still don't have any maelstrom weapons and probably never will. I'm not against a token system, but if they never added one I wouldn't be too upset.

No need to apologize to me, if anything I'm sorry I snapped at you but RNG has trolled me very hard in several games, not this one thankfully but it's still not something that I'm able to have sense of humor about. Having a system in a game that seems designed to suck any fun out of playing it is incomprehensible to me, people need to be rewarded appropriately for their hard work. Life already doesn't do that, and video games should be one place where you don't have to deal with such nonsense. There are some games I just stopped playing because not getting what I wanted after more than earning it just sucked all the fun out of it, and I don't want that to happen with ESO.

FLuFFyxMuFFiN · April 2016

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Lucius_Aelius wrote: »

FLuFFyxMuFFiN wrote: »

You people are crazy. I don't think I have run any dungeon more than 15 times before getting what I wanted. Every helm I have gotten has always been infused or divines except for one and that wasn't even a helm I needed. RNG is a myth. Clearly a L2P issue. Git Gud scrubs

Idiot troll is an idiot, go be a pox on the face of humanity somewhere else.

No I stay here. I like it here. Upset you don't have the helm you want? Don't worry you will get it. Also I edited my post seeing how you didn't get the sarcasm.

Nope I have everything I need, but I'm not an ass and believe that others should have the same opportunity that I have had, and coming into a thread about a legitimate greavance with your bad jokes is in very poor taste, and you're a troll whether you were kidding or not. RNGesus is not a laughing matter, he is an *** that causes misery to countless people when they should just be enjoying the game they paid good money for.

Last I checked everyone does have the same opportunity you had. Why don't we just remove RNG and give everyone everything. Then everyone can enjoy the game.

Don't be stupid, you know full well that's not what I'm suggesting, but there are plenty of ways that RNG could either be mitigated or replaced that would improve the reward system in this and other games astronomically, and the only reasons not to are laziness or apathy on the part of the Developers.

Not that I would expect such a dramatic change to happen quickly, if they changed the reward system in any significant way it would likely involve a tremendous amount of hard work on their part, but that's not to say they shouldn't still do it, and tell us that a fix is being worked on. Thus far all we have from them is silence apart from the new vendor selling monster sets, and as nice as that is it's just a bandaid covering a gaping wound and in no way amounts to a fix for so many rewards still being pure RNG.

I don't even feel like bothering with Maelstrom Arena because of the low chance of getting a drop that's actually useful, and as long as end game activities offer bound rewards via pure RNG then there's always going to be a problem.

They added the monster set vendor in Cyrodiil to help the people get what they need. I am perfectly fine with the system how it is. I'm perfectly fine with not having BiS gear right away. I'm perfectly fine with the chance that I will never get some of the new sets that will come out. Call me a troll if you want but I am dead serious.

You're only a troll if you make jokes at others' expense and rub it in that you have everything, that's a *** move and I called you out on it accordingly. Stating in a calm manner that you like RNG as is doesn't even remotely qualify as trolling, if you'd started off like that then we could have avoided any unpleasantness.

I couldn't disagree more though, there is nothing more messed up than being denied a deserved reward no matter how many times you complete the requisite activity, that is fundamentally broken and should absolutely be fixed asap.

Well I will apologize for that. I truly do feel sympathy for people who play everyday and still get nothing. But sometimes it is hard to feel sympathy for some people. I still don't have any maelstrom weapons and probably never will. I'm not against a token system, but if they never added one I wouldn't be too upset.

No need to apologize to me, if anything I'm sorry I snapped at you but RNG has trolled me very hard in several games, not this one thankfully but it's still not something that I'm able to have sense of humor about. Having a system in a game that seems designed to suck any fun out of playing it is incomprehensible to me, people need to be rewarded appropriately for their hard work. Life already doesn't do that, and video games should be one place where you don't have to deal with such nonsense. There are some games I just stopped playing because not getting what I wanted after more than earning it just sucked all the fun out of it, and I don't want that to happen with ESO.

Oh I know. Life's a beach and then some. RNG is usually nice to me too but it can bend me over sometimes. Mostly just with the polymorphs from IC.

Makkir · April 2016

Miwerton wrote: »

Ch4mpTW wrote: »

Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »

I really wish there was something in the achievements that would show how many times you have completed a given dungeon. I honestly don't believe you have run it 277 times without a helm, but I will concede that with RNG it is statistically possible, albeit highly improbable. I also dont know you from anyone, so no reason to doubt your credibility other than that it seems like a really big number and statistically really bad luck. I felt like i grinded that place until my eyes bled, but after doing some basic math, i realized I didn't have nearly the # of clears I thought I did. I believe I am right around 80-100 clears of this place, and I have a helm in every weight/trait combo except medium Divines, and have deconstructed a few duplicates.

In other news, I fully support a complete rework of the abysmal RNG in this game. Layers upon Layers upon Layers of RNG makes getting exactly what you want almost impossible.

No. It definitely took 281 runs to get my first and only Molag Kena head piece. As I said, I counted, as one of my guilds thought it would be interesting to see how long it'd take. But even so, apparently there are others who've had worse luck than me. I read either in this thread or another that it took a person 350+ runs to get a monster set's head piece. I think it was a 'Skoria piece they said.

Althoug skoria has one way to be easier to obtain, if you have the treasure hunter perk from CP it gives you a higher chance since you loot it from a chest, but otherwise its just a sad state of affair to try to get something.

not true. that CP passive increases the quality of item (like chance to get purple instead of blue). It doesnt increase your chance of getting said item.

Svalinn · April 2016

My question is: "is it possible to actually play, enjoy and win in this game (be it PvP or PvE) even without these ultra rare pieces of equipment that need 200+ runs to find?

If the answer is yes then complaining because we don't get them is unnecessary because it's a personal choice the fact that you WANT do have them and it's not the game forcing you to.

If the answer is no, then we have a problem and zenimax should change the system.

my experience tells me that the answer is yes...

Smileybones · April 2016

reften wrote: »

+1, my guild leaders have left the game due to the lag...you keep pushing content in thinking the content will keep us around.

Want to keep us around? Fix the PvP lag.

Last patch heavily nerfed NBs, add FCs which caused more players to be in concentrated areas more often = more and more lag.

Just like DAoC. I love the PvP, but people I play with are leaving because of the lag. And, I guess I'm leaving too since there is no fix in sight.

PS - I'd rather be hit through walls than play the game with lag. Put that in your pipe and smoke it

Not everyone is focused about PVP ya know. I mostly do PVE with some PVP from time to time and I'm more than happy to see more content added to the game regularly.

Also I'd like to add that whatever ZOS does, there will be always people complaining, always. Slow releasing content to focus on fixing some issues ? Complains that there is nothing to do. Even fixing the PVP lag won't stop the river of tears

Miwerton · April 2016

Makkir wrote: »

Miwerton wrote: »

Ch4mpTW wrote: »

Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »

I really wish there was something in the achievements that would show how many times you have completed a given dungeon. I honestly don't believe you have run it 277 times without a helm, but I will concede that with RNG it is statistically possible, albeit highly improbable. I also dont know you from anyone, so no reason to doubt your credibility other than that it seems like a really big number and statistically really bad luck. I felt like i grinded that place until my eyes bled, but after doing some basic math, i realized I didn't have nearly the # of clears I thought I did. I believe I am right around 80-100 clears of this place, and I have a helm in every weight/trait combo except medium Divines, and have deconstructed a few duplicates.

In other news, I fully support a complete rework of the abysmal RNG in this game. Layers upon Layers upon Layers of RNG makes getting exactly what you want almost impossible.

No. It definitely took 281 runs to get my first and only Molag Kena head piece. As I said, I counted, as one of my guilds thought it would be interesting to see how long it'd take. But even so, apparently there are others who've had worse luck than me. I read either in this thread or another that it took a person 350+ runs to get a monster set's head piece. I think it was a 'Skoria piece they said.

Althoug skoria has one way to be easier to obtain, if you have the treasure hunter perk from CP it gives you a higher chance since you loot it from a chest, but otherwise its just a sad state of affair to try to get something.

not true. that CP passive increases the quality of item (like chance to get purple instead of blue). It doesnt increase your chance of getting said item.

Yes it does, it increases chance of set pieces from opening chests, sure it does increase odds of blue and malachite. Simple chests tend to never give set pieces, but with treasure hunter you can get set pieces from opening simple chests, and i have opened enough chests with that perk to know its good to use if farming chests.

Bananko · April 2016

GreySix wrote: »

Bananko wrote: »

Ch4mpTW wrote: »

Enough Is Enough!

Is that the sequel series to the classic TV show Eight Is Enough?

Showing your age.

Sorry about that. :'(

Bananko · April 2016

Grunim wrote: »

After all, remember Eight Is Enough!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1tincTKPfpw

Dahveed · April 2016

Ch4mpTW wrote: »

ZOS enough is enough! Fix yourselves and THEN fix this game. I'm tired of this. What is "this"? This is everything. Literally everything.

I'm tired of doing dungeons constantly back-after-back, and get nothing in return. I've been running Veteran White Gold Tower for 4 weeks straight on PS4 (NA), and haven't gotten the helm yet. My guild thought it was a good idea to record the amount of times done until received. I'm on run this dungeon 277 times. No helm has dropped. Nothing. This is NOT okay. I don't care what you say. RNG is broken. Meanwhile people are having them drop fin their first run, and getting it constantly? Really? But, I can do it constantly — and get nothing in return? It feels like I'm being spit on constantly for my effort.

I'm tired of you not fixing PVP, and mistreating the people who partaking in it. Ignoring the obvious class flaws, and refusing to fix the lag. It's discussing it. And then having the audacity to say something literally as stupid as you're making a reverse slash a Zerg buster. It's not funny, it's not cute, it's not disgusting. Stop the bandaid fixes, stop pushing content, and fix what is already out.

I'm tired of you bullying the Templars, and driving their class into the dirt further and further. The class unbalance is the worse it has ever been, and you're making it worse with each DLC. Stop with the focus on vanity items, and look at the classes. Balance them. Not nerf things constantly, and putting up silly "fixes" like what you did to Magelight. But actually fix the classes.

Seriously Zenimax. Fix your game. There are threads appearing right and left of people refusing to sub anymore, and of them leaving this game. You even went to extremes such as banning Sypher for game sharing. Cool. You just made more people hate you. No, not dislike. Hate. You're making people HATE you. You have people on: Console, forums, and Mac/PC comparing your company to EA Games and other hated companies. Someone called you all the demented clone of Comcast, but for gaming in the area chat one day. Get. Your. ****. Together.

Your VERY Hostile Customer
CTW

Forum whining like this, and the whiny sheep who click "agree", are precisely why all MMOs are garbage now.

Just watch, they'll nerf everything again, buff drop rates, everyone gets everything for free so you can look shiny and feel like a hero even though you are terrible. Just like every other crappy MMO.

Challenge just doesn't exist in 2016.