so much greed in this game by developers...

MrDenimChicken · April 2016

First thing you see when you log in:

CROWN STORE!: pay for this skin or quality of life thingy for 4000 crowns. Four. Thousand. Crowns.

yeah DLC's or expansions sure, justified. But 4000 crowns for a freaking motif that isn't even that great looking (I know that's subjective, but it does not look like that detailed to me).

come on guys! this is crazy! I know it's a business but you guys make it too obvious what your #1 priority is.

I know people on forums over react to stuff but this just looks so bad and greedy. Makes the company look totally desperate for cash.

just reminds me of the greedy release with 1 gold per mob and 42k horse price debacle

UltimaJoe777 · April 2016

Well you don't have to buy it if you don't want to. It's purely optional. Not like they're extorting us or giving us an ultimatum. Also believe it or not some gamers ACTUALLY have that kind of money to throw at this stuff with no consequences to their daily life.

Thybrinena · April 2016

then don't give them your cash.

AlnilamE · April 2016

Well, get it in game. I will never get a motif from the Crown Store because part of the fun is getting it all together in game.

kongkim · April 2016

And still they sell. So that bad it can't be

MasterSpatula · April 2016

It's not like the ZOS team needs to be paid or anything.

Perhaps Subs (and only subs) shouldn't get the Crown Store announcements quite so often, but it's really not that bad. A reminder when they introduce some new stuff or when something's about to go off the market isn't really unwarranted. Some players might even consider it a nice Public Service Announcement.

Anyway, compared to a lot of other BTP/FTP games, ZOS is downright classy and understated.

FLuFFyxMuFFiN · April 2016

I have never paid for a "quality of life" update. Those are free. I have bought multiple mounts and costumes because I like them. Nobody is being greedy and forcing you to spend money.

UltimaJoe777 · April 2016

By the way I should mention Zenimax is not the ONLY MMORPG developer to do this. It's pretty much common practice. Some may even be worse!

Callous2208 · April 2016

If I'm not mistaken that crown store pop-up doesn't occur every time you log in. For me it's just when something is added or goes on sale, which, is cool because sometimes I don't pay attention to the forums or use the launcher. If I don't see anything I like I just click that big X and go on playing the game. Oddly enough they still allowed me to play even when I didn't purchase anything. The greed is real folks.

Svalinn · April 2016

Ehm.. if you want to see "greed" you should go play other mmos.. then you'll see developers charging you real money in order to unlock the trade option... or for equipments that will rise your stats (it's called P2W)... you know what? you should actually just go and check out black desert cash shop... the game is BUY TO PLAY, like ESO... but their cash shop is.. well.... the most expensive thing i've ever seen in the video game world?

MaxwellC · April 2016

Yeah it isn't a problem; I do agree it's greed in my opinion too but then I gotta look at the lack of subbers. If a MMO is going to have great people who can accomplish great feats then it's going to be a successful MMO that sells a lot so they can retain those talented people.

Unfortunately when this game lost P2P a lot of the talented staff left which resulted in the loss of bounty enforcers, spellcrafting, jewelry crafting,etc. There's a lot of potential for this game still... I suppose but... that is the only thing this game will ever have in it's current state 'potential'.

Uriel_Nocturne · April 2016

MrDenimChicken wrote: »

First thing you see when you log in:

CROWN STORE!: pay for this skin or quality of life thingy for 4000 crowns. Four. Thousand. Crowns.

yeah DLC's or expansions sure, justified. But 4000 crowns for a freaking motif that isn't even that great looking (I know that's subjective, but it does not look like that detailed to me).

come on guys! this is crazy! I know it's a business but you guys make it too obvious what your #1 priority is.

I know people on forums over react to stuff but this just looks so bad and greedy. Makes the company look totally desperate for cash.

just reminds me of the greedy release with 1 gold per mob and 42k horse price debacle

As others have said already: Then don't by it?

No one is forcing your hand. If it doesn't look good to you, then don't spend your money.

On the flip side; I logged into RIFT, LotRO, SWtOR, and GW2 this weekend to check on some things for my characters in those games as well. Each of those MMO's also directed me to their respective cash shops either immediately, or within seconds of me logging into their games.

In fact, OP; I'd like you to point me to an MMO that doesn't direct you to a cash shop.

You want to rail against greed in the industry, yet conveniently ignore that those cash shops are a primary source of revenue that allows those very same beloved MMO's to keep running.

Voxicity · April 2016

I suppose you're the kind of person who thinks the programmers make the cosmetic items too, lol

Ourorboros · April 2016

What bugs me is not that the crown store is pushed. I'm fine with people spending their money if it makes them happy. The problem is all the bugs and glitches that are ignored or on a very slow/low priority to be fixed by zos.

emily3989 · April 2016

If a bunch of spoiled brats want to buy multiple cat skins and useless motifs from the crown store and fund my next DLC, I am all for it.

vyrusb23 · April 2016

MrDenimChicken wrote: »

First thing you see when you log in:

CROWN STORE!: pay for this skin or quality of life thingy for 4000 crowns. Four. Thousand. Crowns.

yeah DLC's or expansions sure, justified. But 4000 crowns for a freaking motif that isn't even that great looking (I know that's subjective, but it does not look like that detailed to me).

come on guys! this is crazy! I know it's a business but you guys make it too obvious what your #1 priority is.

I know people on forums over react to stuff but this just looks so bad and greedy. Makes the company look totally desperate for cash.

just reminds me of the greedy release with 1 gold per mob and 42k horse price debacle

Stupid business. Trying to make a profit instead of catering to every neckbeard on these forums. :'(

Callous2208 · April 2016

emily3989 wrote: »

If a bunch of spoiled brats want to buy multiple cat skins and useless motifs from the crown store and fund my next DLC, I am all for it.

Ah dear sweet Emily. Sweeping generalizations are for the ignorant. Some people have jobs that afford them the privilege and joy of buying useless cat skins and motifs.

bedlom · April 2016

Welcome to the new gaming era. The worst is still to come.

Lysette · April 2016

MrDenimChicken wrote: »

First thing you see when you log in:

CROWN STORE!: pay for this skin or quality of life thingy for 4000 crowns. Four. Thousand. Crowns.

yeah DLC's or expansions sure, justified. But 4000 crowns for a freaking motif that isn't even that great looking (I know that's subjective, but it does not look like that detailed to me).

come on guys! this is crazy! I know it's a business but you guys make it too obvious what your #1 priority is.

I know people on forums over react to stuff but this just looks so bad and greedy. Makes the company look totally desperate for cash.

just reminds me of the greedy release with 1 gold per mob and 42k horse price debacle

this 1 gold and 42k horse debacle costed ZOS 360 dollars, which they have not earned from me - because that pissed me off and I delayed joining ESO to whenever - 2 years of subscription they did not get due to their blatant greediness.

Thevampirenight · April 2016

This company is the least greedy mmo company out there. They really are not greedy. If you want to see Greed play swator or any cryptic/perfect world mmo.
perfect world/ sto like in order to get anything worth while you either have to grind with many charaters to get the in game currency or pay like fifty dollars and typically one ship might cost at least 60 dollars worth of zen. Yeah they truely are greedy. But then you got Swtor that basically extorts money forcing you to sub, because free to play basically limits the game play.
You can't even really get quest rewards without subbing. That and you have currency limit that basically requires you to buy this thing in order to get more currency because its stored in this bank thing til you sub. Subbing unlocks swotor the full gameplay experience.

Elder Scrolls online is much cheaper on the wallet, that and they don't seem to be that greedy, they do care about the game and refuse to go pay to win as well as everything you have access too in the crowns store can be found in game as well. except the outfits and pets and mounts. Maybe only a couple of armor sets you have to have the dlc in order to get otherwise you could still get those armor sets even without the dlc. This game is the best mmo out there right now.
All the modifs in the crown store are able to get in game by the way. Other players will sell them sometimes you will have a rare chance of finding one yourself. The crown store is just a faster way for those with money to get them without having to look in game.
Vampire and werewolf can also be got easy in the game. Just go to the shrine and wait for a player to come and bite you.

emily3989 · April 2016

Callous2208 wrote: »

emily3989 wrote: »

If a bunch of spoiled brats want to buy multiple cat skins and useless motifs from the crown store and fund my next DLC, I am all for it.

Ah dear sweet Emily. Sweeping generalizations are for the ignorant. Some people have jobs that afford them the privilege and joy of buying useless cat skins and motifs.

"If a bunch of spoiled brats or people with disposable income want to buy multiple cat skins and useless motifs from the crown store and fund my next DLC, I am for it."

Lysette · April 2016

Thevampirenight wrote: »

This company is the least greedy mmo company out there. They really are not greedy. If you want to see Greed play swator or any cryptic/perfect world mmo.
perfect world/ sto like in order to get anything worth while you either have to grind with many charaters to get the in game currency or pay like fifty dollars and typically one ship might cost at least 60 dollars worth of zen. Yeah they truely are greedy. But then you got Swtor that basically extorts money forcing you to sub, because free to play basically limits the game play.
You can't even really get quest rewards without subbing. That and you have currency limit that basically requires you to buy this thing in order to get more currency because its stored in this bank thing til you sub. Subbing unlocks swotor the full gameplay experience.

Elder Scrolls online is much cheaper on the wallet, that and they don't seem to be that greedy, they do care about the game and refuse to go pay to win as well as everything you have access too in the crowns store can be found in game as well. except the outfits and pets and mounts. Maybe only a couple of armor sets you have to have the dlc in order to get otherwise you could still get those armor sets even without the dlc. This game is the best mmo out there right now.

Well their launch failed massively - they had to change the whole game to get it back up again. that is why they have tamriel unlimited now.

Anzriel · April 2016

Honestly? If they want to make money off people that find joy in the game by buying costumes and various horse skins so that I can spend less to play, why the hell not? I've never really had an issue with ESO's cash shop other than prices on a some items. (assistants) I don't think micro transactions are going anywhere though OP. Even sub games seem to be adding them.

Lysette · April 2016

Anzriel wrote: »

Honestly? If they want to make money off people that find joy in the game by buying costumes and various horse skins so that I can spend less to play, why the hell not? I've never really had an issue with ESO's cash shop other than prices on a some items. (assistants) I don't think micro transactions are going anywhere though OP. Even sub games seem to be adding them.

nothing against cash shops, with reasonable pricing - but when greed is so blantantly obvious, it can *** off people and they might just stop subscribing.

emily3989 · April 2016

Lysette wrote: »

Anzriel wrote: »

Honestly? If they want to make money off people that find joy in the game by buying costumes and various horse skins so that I can spend less to play, why the hell not? I've never really had an issue with ESO's cash shop other than prices on a some items. (assistants) I don't think micro transactions are going anywhere though OP. Even sub games seem to be adding them.

nothing against cash shops, with reasonable pricing - but when greed is so blantantly obvious, it can *** off people and they might just stop subscribing.

A couple of bottles of water at Disney World is like $10, yet the park is still full everyday. They will change their ways only when it is economically necessary. If people keep buying the $5k assistants, they will continue to cost $5k.

Lysette · April 2016

emily3989 wrote: »

Lysette wrote: »

Anzriel wrote: »

Honestly? If they want to make money off people that find joy in the game by buying costumes and various horse skins so that I can spend less to play, why the hell not? I've never really had an issue with ESO's cash shop other than prices on a some items. (assistants) I don't think micro transactions are going anywhere though OP. Even sub games seem to be adding them.

nothing against cash shops, with reasonable pricing - but when greed is so blantantly obvious, it can *** off people and they might just stop subscribing.

A couple of bottles of water at Disney World is like $10, yet the park is still full everyday. They will change their ways only when it is economically necessary. If people keep buying the $5k assistants, they will continue to cost $5k.

Yes, and they loose all those people, who would have gladly paid 1.5k - and those might be more than 3.5 times those, who bought it for 5k - they are loosing money, by not making the most they could, if they would just be less greedy.

Edit. a reasonable price - and 1.5k is about that what was voted for - would create a win-win situation, so it is a loose-loose.

Uriel_Nocturne · April 2016

Lysette wrote: »

Anzriel wrote: »

Honestly? If they want to make money off people that find joy in the game by buying costumes and various horse skins so that I can spend less to play, why the hell not? I've never really had an issue with ESO's cash shop other than prices on a some items. (assistants) I don't think micro transactions are going anywhere though OP. Even sub games seem to be adding them.

nothing against cash shops, with reasonable pricing - but when greed is so blantantly obvious, it can *** off people and they might just stop subscribing.

But that's just it. Compared to most every other MMO on the market, ESO isn't nearly as cash-shop-oriented as their competitors are.

As other people have mentioned;

- You must Sub or regularly spend cash in SWtOR to do much of anything in that game.
- Black Desert Online? ... By the GODS their stuff is expensive...
- LotRO? While it's not nearly as bad as SWtOR or BDO, there are definitely some higher priced options and definitely more than a few P2W options there.
- GW2? Yeah...

By comparison, Zenimax is pretty classy and low-key in their promotions for the Crown Store. Lower priced too I might add.

If ESO is being "blatant" in their cash shop promotions, I recommend that you never fire up any other MMO...

CaptainBeerDude · April 2016

emily3989 wrote: »

If a bunch of spoiled brats want to buy multiple cat skins and useless motifs from the crown store and fund my next DLC, I am all for it.

LoL indeed. I haven't been a brat for about 20 years, although I may still be spoiled.

You are certainly welcome though.
Maybe one day when you have a job, you too will purchase frivolous things with the income it provides.

Psychotius · April 2016

ikr? Like, what company actually needs a revenue stream. First they try to charge us subscriptions just to play, then when they get rid of that they give us a choice as to give them anymore money... Not cool.

Plus, the whole 42k gold for a horse argument doesnt actually follow since they don't make a profit from in game gold...

Not sure if troll though.

emily3989 · April 2016

Lysette wrote: »

emily3989 wrote: »

Lysette wrote: »

Anzriel wrote: »

Honestly? If they want to make money off people that find joy in the game by buying costumes and various horse skins so that I can spend less to play, why the hell not? I've never really had an issue with ESO's cash shop other than prices on a some items. (assistants) I don't think micro transactions are going anywhere though OP. Even sub games seem to be adding them.

nothing against cash shops, with reasonable pricing - but when greed is so blantantly obvious, it can *** off people and they might just stop subscribing.

A couple of bottles of water at Disney World is like $10, yet the park is still full everyday. They will change their ways only when it is economically necessary. If people keep buying the $5k assistants, they will continue to cost $5k.

Yes, and they loose all those people, who would have gladly paid 1.5k - and those might be more than 3.5 times those, who bought it for 5k - they are loosing money, by not making the most they could, if they would just be less greedy.

And this is based on what? You are making assumptions on how many people would pay if it were 1.5k? First off, they would have to triple their sales just to break even. Maybe you are right, but I don't see any kind of real evidence showing this other than your opinion.

My opinion, if the numbers end up being less than they initially projected, they will run a sale on the assistances, thus causing about 20 rage threads to be created on these forums from those that paid full price.

Lysette · April 2016

Uriel_Nocturne wrote: »

Lysette wrote: »

Anzriel wrote: »

Honestly? If they want to make money off people that find joy in the game by buying costumes and various horse skins so that I can spend less to play, why the hell not? I've never really had an issue with ESO's cash shop other than prices on a some items. (assistants) I don't think micro transactions are going anywhere though OP. Even sub games seem to be adding them.

nothing against cash shops, with reasonable pricing - but when greed is so blantantly obvious, it can *** off people and they might just stop subscribing.

But that's just it. Compared to most every other MMO on the market, ESO isn't nearly as cash-shop-oriented as their competitors are.

As other people have mentioned;

- You must Sub or regularly spend cash in SWtOR to do much of anything in that game.
- Black Desert Online? ... By the GODS their stuff is expensive...
- LotRO? While it's not nearly as bad as SWtOR or BDO, there are definitely some higher priced options and definitely more than a few P2W options there.
- GW2? Yeah...

By comparison, Zenimax is pretty classy and low-key in their promotions for the Crown Store. Lower priced too I might add.

If ESO is being "blatant" in their cash shop promotions, I recommend that you never fire up any other MMO...

I know that f2p is the most expensive - that is by design this way, but ESO is buy to play, there i expect reasonable prices in the cash shop or if not reasonable, then sellable stuff - but it is either account or character bound.

Edit. and this is not about money, it is about greed - I pay gladly for up to 7 accounts in EVE online, stuff in the cash shop there is expensive, but it is sellable to other players. So it benefits those, who just buy it with ingame cash and those who buy it with real money, because they can acquire ingame cash with it. In Eso this is blocked.

Well, wrong, I have 11 characters, but just 7 accounts in EVE, sorry.