PvP in this game...

Lynx7386 · April 2016

is infuriating. I havent played in a long time, came back a few weeks ago to try some of the new content, and for the first time since returning tried some pvp in cyrodiil tonight.

First off, absolutely impossible to find a group or communicate on consoles. We need text chat.

Second, it's still (STILL!) all zerg. If you arent in the zerg, you're just going to die before you have a chance to even attempt fighting back.

Whether or not you're part of the zerg, everyone you fight is just spamming the same abilities. There's no variety, there's no skill involved, it's just a massive DPS race, and right now it's quite clear that damage > mitigation, by a long shot. There's simply no way to survive the amount of damage you take even from a single enemy player. Despite throwing everything I had at an enemy templar I fought, all he did was spam puncturing strikes, and that alone was enough to outdamage and outheal me in just a matter of seconds.

At one point, long, long ago in the early stages of pc launch, PvP actually seemed to be a little more fun. People were a little more spread out, you didnt see zergballs, and you could actually outplay an enemy. Damage vs survivability was balanced at least well enough that you had time to react and think in a fight, instead of just button mashing and dying in five seconds flat.

How has this game's pvp only gotten worse after so much time? It's absolutely not an enjoyable endeavor anymore, at least not for your average player.

UltimaJoe777 · April 2016

First off, it's coming.

Second off, it's large-scale PvP. There will always be zergs, no matter what.

And finally, try the new Vicious Death set and improve your build to kill even one player. But yes everyone is pretty much a broken record in terms of builds. They only care about winning, not variety or spicing things up.

GeorgeBlack · April 2016

This is the outcome of free to play as you like. All chars are more or less similar when they have access to everything except skill lines.

Tank nightblade? Healer Nightblade? Dps nightblade? Mage nightblade? Same for all the other classes.

Everyone can block everyone can heal everyone can dd. It's all the same. And no I don't find interesting your number calculations and stamina DK builds. They are all 2H & Bow, medium(most parts) with a few changes at CP (PASSIVE NUMBERS AGAIN, NOT ACTUAL SKILL AND SKILLS USAGE).

And here I see Dragonknights with s/b magika sustain and I wonder. Are they Dps cause they kill aoe? Are they tanks cause they don't die from 6 enemies?

Same with sorc same with nb same with temp.

As for cyro, it's just a giant battleground. Mindless fights against different colours. No leadership no sense of belonging in a greater part such as guilds in other games. Chalman is the focus? This is your battleground for 20mins. Roebeck is the last keep for emp? This is your BG for 20mins. All the players are there. The rest of the vast map is empty.

Bring in more classes with specific roles. Bring in world bosses. Bring in farming. Bring in open world with protective features for self centered PvErs.

Ch4mpTW · April 2016

UltimaJoe777 wrote: »

First off, it's coming.

Second off, it's large-scale PvP. There will always be zergs, no matter what.

And finally, try the new Vicious Death set and improve your build to kill even one player. But yes everyone is pretty much a broken record in terms of builds. They only care about winning, not variety or spicing things up.

This. This post right here is where one of the flaws of PVP community of this game lies. The acceptance by many of PVP'ers to "bandaid-based fixes". Read what you just posted. "Try out the VD set..." No. The VD set is one of the many bandaid fixes ZO$ has implemented into Cyrodiil, and has caused more problems than it has attempted to fix. Way more problems. And now look. People are encouraging others to embrace it to ease into PVP...

I'm slowly starting to feel more at ease with my choice of giving TESO:TU a break for a while... There just seems to be flaws everywhere. Whether it be with the game itself, the balance of the classes and races, the drop-rates and loot tables, etc. It really feels like things are just a flat-out mess.

UltimaJoe777 · April 2016

Ch4mpTW wrote: »

UltimaJoe777 wrote: »

First off, it's coming.

Second off, it's large-scale PvP. There will always be zergs, no matter what.

And finally, try the new Vicious Death set and improve your build to kill even one player. But yes everyone is pretty much a broken record in terms of builds. They only care about winning, not variety or spicing things up.

This. This post right here is where one of the flaws of PVP community of this game lies. The acceptance by many of PVP'ers to "bandaid-based fixes". Read what you just posted. "Try out the VD set..." No. The VD set is one of the many bandaid fixes ZO$ has implemented into Cyrodiil, and has caused more problems than it has attempted to fix. Way more problems. And now look. People are encouraging others to embrace it to ease into PVP...

I'm slowly starting to feel more at ease with my choice of giving TESO:TU a break for a while... There just seems to be flaws everywhere. Whether it be with the game itself, the balance of the classes and races, the drop-rates and loot tables, etc. It really feels like things are just a flat-out mess.

He said he hated zergs and is returning after a break so I pointed out the new set. Not his fault or even the set's fault that it works TOO well

Valrien · April 2016

If you hate the zerg you should play a different game. This is large-scale PvP...if you like small scale try another game. Perhaps a MOBA?

Lynx7386 · April 2016

First i've seen of that vicious death set, but that doesnt exactly help me. I'm a stamina nightblade, and I dont even know where to go about getting it. All of my gear is crafted, I put a lot of time into becoming a master crafter, and now it seems like everyone is using dropped sets? Waste of time.

This game has always suffered from a lack of focus. Even back in the days of beta or early pc launch, zenimax has just never been able to figure out what they want the game to be, and so everything has become this half-arsed, bland, boring pile of barely-working mechanics and systems.

Lynx7386 · April 2016

Valrien wrote: »

If you hate the zerg you should play a different game. This is large-scale PvP...if you like small scale try another game. Perhaps a MOBA?

large scale isnt the problem. The removal of AoE caps, which inadvertently coerces everyone to ball up together, is the real culprit here. We never had zergs like this at launch - sure there were a lot of players, but people stayed spread out, AoE was a real threat. Now that's no longer true.