[CSH First NA Clear] Veteran Maw of Lorkhaj - EU VS NA SHOWDOWN

Vezuls · April 2016

hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »

Love Wizard wrote: »

Polysemy wrote: »

u savage

You have absolutely no clue what you're talking about. Everything you have said is pure and uter nonsense. This world needs more decent magicka nightblades, and you're definetly not one of them.

I'm ok with people agreeing to disagree, but this statement is simply funny, since vMA, while requiring the situational awareness of PvP is PVE content...for you to criticize his PVE skills thus seems a bit salty since as far as I'm aware, you are nowhere near his number one spot...

Hey Nos. I really hope you're not saying skill in Maelstrom correlates to skill in PvE: 12 man raids/producing optimal dps. Because I'm fairly sure Mashinate is talking strictly trials and producing optimal DPS.

While Vet maelstrom Arena does take skill, and no doubt Spero Sol is the best Nightblade at running at, at this point VMA is the same as VDSA, just solo.
1. Get lucky enough to not be one shot. Obviously his highest score run he had some luck. Every top score run does. I remember watching his stream and seeing him get mollywhopped on stage 5.
2. Know where all the spawns are. He obviously knows where the high priority enemies spawn for every round, and has formulated "routes" to kill them in the most efficient order.
3. Yes, you need high damage in there to pull off crazy scores, but Maelstrom is a solo instance.

As it's a solo instance, I wouldn't put it on the same scale. Does VDSA prove skill? Yes, at portal killing. But you can't use that as justification for skill in raids.

Maelstrom is a combination of luck, skill, and knowing the spawn points of everything, as well as more luck.

Comparing VMA to trial dps/raid skill is like comparing apples to elephants.

Anyway, not trying to start another argument, just pointing out the difference.

hedna123b14_ESO · April 2016

Vezuls wrote: »

hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »

Love Wizard wrote: »

Polysemy wrote: »

u savage

You have absolutely no clue what you're talking about. Everything you have said is pure and uter nonsense. This world needs more decent magicka nightblades, and you're definetly not one of them.

I'm ok with people agreeing to disagree, but this statement is simply funny, since vMA, while requiring the situational awareness of PvP is PVE content...for you to criticize his PVE skills thus seems a bit salty since as far as I'm aware, you are nowhere near his number one spot...

Hey Nos. I really hope you're not saying skill in Maelstrom correlates to skill in PvE: 12 man raids/producing optimal dps. Because I'm fairly sure Mashinate is talking strictly trials and producing optimal DPS.

While Vet maelstrom Arena does take skill, and no doubt Spero Sol is the best Nightblade at running at, at this point VMA is the same as VDSA, just solo.
1. Get lucky enough to not be one shot. Obviously his highest score run he had some luck. Every top score run does. I remember watching his stream and seeing him get mollywhopped on stage 5.
2. Know where all the spawns are. He obviously knows where the high priority enemies spawn for every round, and has formulated "routes" to kill them in the most efficient order.
3. Yes, you need high damage in there to pull off crazy scores, but Maelstrom is a solo instance.

As it's a solo instance, I wouldn't put it on the same scale. Does VDSA prove skill? Yes, at portal killing. But you can't use that as justification for skill in raids.

Maelstrom is a combination of luck, skill, and knowing the spawn points of everything, as well as more luck.

Comparing VMA to trial dps/raid skill is like comparing apples to elephants.

Anyway, not trying to start another argument, just pointing out the difference.

Hey, what I was saying is that it isn't fair to say that vMA doesn't count when stating that someone is the best PvE nightblade, since it is PVE content. It takes a completely different set of skills than trials, but doesn't diminish the fact that it is PvE. To exclude it therefore would be inaccurate.

In trials it is really hard to say who is better at playing a class since your personal dps depends so much on the group. There are still many trials teams who cannot handle the stack and burn strategy on Manticora (yes believe it or not!). Maybe the group has 11 bad players and 1 amazing player (or maybe more), that amazing player will never be able to be amazing because the group is bringing him down. The converse of this could be that the group can carry someone if the player is bad and the player may get to do things he usually cannot in anew average scenario.

You put up 3 really good points about vMA, but I'll counter them:
1. You are right luck is important, but same luck is needed in trials so not really sure how that differs. One issue I have is that you attribute a ton to luck and while there are pure rng things that can kill you - flowers on 7. Majority of vMA is predictable learn able and completely not fun content. I cannot thinkle of a single rng Mechanic outside of stage 7 flowers that can't be prepared for.
2. Strategies also exist in trials and especially in vMoL they are very specific strategies.
3. It is a solo instance, so if anything that is the best way to know who is being carried and who is a better player. And this is coming from someone who is a lot better at trials than vMA.
4. I would say that it's a lot easier to be good at trials than vMA, because it's fairly easy (once you know the trial) to not mess up. You specialize in a single role - dps, tank, etc (usually). In vMA you are all 3 roles - harder than trials.

hedna123b14_ESO · April 2016

@Vezuls also wanted to reiterate that I don't think there is a difference between console and pc players in terms of their ability. And that we need to bring the hostility in this thread down and just say that it's great that both platforms got a clear, which is amazing.

hedna123b14_ESO · April 2016

It is the last day of my vacation in Costa Rica, so instead of arguing let's just all enjoy the view of this amazing lagoon from my balcony l:)

http://m.imgur.com/KqLVQYC

Love Wizard · April 2016

hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »

Love Wizard wrote: »

Polysemy wrote: »

u savage

You have absolutely no clue what you're talking about. Everything you have said is pure and uter nonsense. This world needs more decent magicka nightblades, and you're definetly not one of them.

I'm ok with people agreeing to disagree, but this statement is simply funny, since vMA, while requiring the situational awareness of PvP is PVE content...for you to criticize his PVE skills thus seems a bit salty since as far as I'm aware, you are nowhere near his number one spot...

You can say whatever you'd like, I don't think im the best, by far, I have alot of space for improvement, but I know for a fact I do pull good numbers. Also, I wouldn't have been recruited into Hodor and Banana Squad Inc without being a decent player, arguing about vMA is kind of wierd, since I've never truly given it a good shot nor tried to figure out things. Im pretty poor at alot of things in this game, but I find myself to be a good DPS, and from reading what he says, I can definetly tell that he doesn't have a great understanding of what it takes to be a good DPS, it's not just what numbers you pull but rather more about being consistant.

YoloWizard · April 2016

I'm not adding up anything to this thread and not backing anybody, but if you are asking for a proof you gotta provide the same yourself. Your only evidence is not accurate as OP stated (problem with time sync).

So @hedna123b14_ESO , how was the Crystal Blast build?

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hedna123b14_ESO · April 2016

Love Wizard wrote: »

hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »

Love Wizard wrote: »

Polysemy wrote: »

u savage

You have absolutely no clue what you're talking about. Everything you have said is pure and uter nonsense. This world needs more decent magicka nightblades, and you're definetly not one of them.

I'm ok with people agreeing to disagree, but this statement is simply funny, since vMA, while requiring the situational awareness of PvP is PVE content...for you to criticize his PVE skills thus seems a bit salty since as far as I'm aware, you are nowhere near his number one spot...

You can say whatever you'd like, I don't think im the best, by far, I have alot of space for improvement, but I know for a fact I do pull good numbers. Also, I wouldn't have been recruited into Hodor and Banana Squad Inc without being a decent player, arguing about vMA is kind of wierd, since I've never truly given it a good shot nor tried to figure out things. Im pretty poor at alot of things in this game, but I find myself to be a good DPS, and from reading what he says, I can definetly tell that he doesn't have a great understanding of what it takes to be a good DPS, it's not just what numbers you pull but rather more about being consistant.

I'll agree to disagree with you since I've seen what he pulls firsthand. Also never said you were a bad player or not decent.

Vezuls · April 2016

hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »

Vezuls wrote: »

hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »

Love Wizard wrote: »

Polysemy wrote: »

u savage

You have absolutely no clue what you're talking about. Everything you have said is pure and uter nonsense. This world needs more decent magicka nightblades, and you're definetly not one of them.

I'm ok with people agreeing to disagree, but this statement is simply funny, since vMA, while requiring the situational awareness of PvP is PVE content...for you to criticize his PVE skills thus seems a bit salty since as far as I'm aware, you are nowhere near his number one spot...

Hey Nos. I really hope you're not saying skill in Maelstrom correlates to skill in PvE: 12 man raids/producing optimal dps. Because I'm fairly sure Mashinate is talking strictly trials and producing optimal DPS.

While Vet maelstrom Arena does take skill, and no doubt Spero Sol is the best Nightblade at running at, at this point VMA is the same as VDSA, just solo.
1. Get lucky enough to not be one shot. Obviously his highest score run he had some luck. Every top score run does. I remember watching his stream and seeing him get mollywhopped on stage 5.
2. Know where all the spawns are. He obviously knows where the high priority enemies spawn for every round, and has formulated "routes" to kill them in the most efficient order.
3. Yes, you need high damage in there to pull off crazy scores, but Maelstrom is a solo instance.

As it's a solo instance, I wouldn't put it on the same scale. Does VDSA prove skill? Yes, at portal killing. But you can't use that as justification for skill in raids.

Maelstrom is a combination of luck, skill, and knowing the spawn points of everything, as well as more luck.

Comparing VMA to trial dps/raid skill is like comparing apples to elephants.

Anyway, not trying to start another argument, just pointing out the difference.

Hey, what I was saying is that it isn't fair to say that vMA doesn't count when stating that someone is the best PvE nightblade, since it is PVE content. It takes a completely different set of skills than trials, but doesn't diminish the fact that it is PvE. To exclude it therefore would be inaccurate.

In trials it is really hard to say who is better at playing a class since your personal dps depends so much on the group. There are still many trials teams who cannot handle the stack and burn strategy on Manticora (yes believe it or not!). Maybe the group has 11 bad players and 1 amazing player (or maybe more), that amazing player will never be able to be amazing because the group is bringing him down. The converse of this could be that the group can carry someone if the player is bad and the player may get to do things he usually cannot in anew average scenario.

You put up 3 really good points about vMA, but I'll counter them:
1. You are right luck is important, but same luck is needed in trials so not really sure how that differs. One issue I have is that you attribute a ton to luck and while there are pure rng things that can kill you - flowers on 7. Majority of vMA is predictable learn able and completely not fun content. I cannot thinkle of a single rng Mechanic outside of stage 7 flowers that can't be prepared for.
2. Strategies also exist in trials and especially in vMoL they are very specific strategies.
3. It is a solo instance, so if anything that is the best way to know who is being carried and who is a better player. And this is coming from someone who is a lot better at trials than vMA.
4. I would say that it's a lot easier to be good at trials than vMA, because it's fairly easy (once you know the trial) to not mess up. You specialize in a single role - dps, tank, etc (usually). In vMA you are all 3 roles - harder than trials.

Hmmm not sure if I agree. I kind of do and kind of don't. I mean, I guess it's easier to do trials than maelstrom at a high level, however to pull 30k+ dps in every fight is remarkable and definitely amazing. I will say that they do take 2 different kinds of playstyle. Trials you go all dps, but you have to be defensive in Maelstrom.

That's the main reason I think Maelstrom and Trials should be kept separate in terms of skill. Yes, in trials you have to watch out for mechanics, but your also not going to be targeted by every adds attacks, forcing defensive play. You will never do as much dps in Maelstrom (not that it matters besides bosses) as you do in trials for numerous reasons: raid buffs, bar set up different, holding agro and trying not to die etc...

Basically what I'm trying to get across is being amazing in maelstrom doesn't mean, even with the right group, you'll automatically be pulling 30k+ dps.

I agree, the animosity needs to be turned down, but I love getting people fired up for competition. I'll admit (already have) that the Spero Sol thing is personal, so I tend to get livid when things are personal, but just because I have something against someone doesn't mean I'm blind to the facts. He's the best Maelstrom Mag NB. He's a pretty solid Mag NB when it comes to DPS. I watch his streams. I just don't think he has any right to say I suck when he's never seen me play. I guarantee with dps meters it'd be easy to see I pull over 30k in every fight in the game, which is why I made the remark about console getting dps meters it'll be easy to prove.

I'm done with the bashing and nonsense. I've had my share for the day. Congrats on the clear CSH.

hedna123b14_ESO · April 2016

YoloWizard wrote: »

I'm not adding up anything to this thread and not backing anybody, but if you are asking for a proof you gotta provide the same yourself. Your only evidence is not accurate as OP stated (problem with time sync).

So @hedna123b14_ESO , how was the Crystal Blast build?

Haven't tested yet, unfortunately haven't been raiding for 2-3 weeks since was too busy trying to prepare for my vacation and have been out of the country for 12 days, but I am kind of excited to try it out...could be a total flop or could be interesting. Also while on vacation I got some new ideas to test out for it.

hedna123b14_ESO · April 2016

Vezuls wrote: »

hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »

Vezuls wrote: »

hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »

Love Wizard wrote: »

Polysemy wrote: »

u savage

You have absolutely no clue what you're talking about. Everything you have said is pure and uter nonsense. This world needs more decent magicka nightblades, and you're definetly not one of them.

I'm ok with people agreeing to disagree, but this statement is simply funny, since vMA, while requiring the situational awareness of PvP is PVE content...for you to criticize his PVE skills thus seems a bit salty since as far as I'm aware, you are nowhere near his number one spot...

Hey Nos. I really hope you're not saying skill in Maelstrom correlates to skill in PvE: 12 man raids/producing optimal dps. Because I'm fairly sure Mashinate is talking strictly trials and producing optimal DPS.

While Vet maelstrom Arena does take skill, and no doubt Spero Sol is the best Nightblade at running at, at this point VMA is the same as VDSA, just solo.
1. Get lucky enough to not be one shot. Obviously his highest score run he had some luck. Every top score run does. I remember watching his stream and seeing him get mollywhopped on stage 5.
2. Know where all the spawns are. He obviously knows where the high priority enemies spawn for every round, and has formulated "routes" to kill them in the most efficient order.
3. Yes, you need high damage in there to pull off crazy scores, but Maelstrom is a solo instance.

As it's a solo instance, I wouldn't put it on the same scale. Does VDSA prove skill? Yes, at portal killing. But you can't use that as justification for skill in raids.

Maelstrom is a combination of luck, skill, and knowing the spawn points of everything, as well as more luck.

Comparing VMA to trial dps/raid skill is like comparing apples to elephants.

Anyway, not trying to start another argument, just pointing out the difference.

Hey, what I was saying is that it isn't fair to say that vMA doesn't count when stating that someone is the best PvE nightblade, since it is PVE content. It takes a completely different set of skills than trials, but doesn't diminish the fact that it is PvE. To exclude it therefore would be inaccurate.

In trials it is really hard to say who is better at playing a class since your personal dps depends so much on the group. There are still many trials teams who cannot handle the stack and burn strategy on Manticora (yes believe it or not!). Maybe the group has 11 bad players and 1 amazing player (or maybe more), that amazing player will never be able to be amazing because the group is bringing him down. The converse of this could be that the group can carry someone if the player is bad and the player may get to do things he usually cannot in anew average scenario.

You put up 3 really good points about vMA, but I'll counter them:
1. You are right luck is important, but same luck is needed in trials so not really sure how that differs. One issue I have is that you attribute a ton to luck and while there are pure rng things that can kill you - flowers on 7. Majority of vMA is predictable learn able and completely not fun content. I cannot thinkle of a single rng Mechanic outside of stage 7 flowers that can't be prepared for.
2. Strategies also exist in trials and especially in vMoL they are very specific strategies.
3. It is a solo instance, so if anything that is the best way to know who is being carried and who is a better player. And this is coming from someone who is a lot better at trials than vMA.
4. I would say that it's a lot easier to be good at trials than vMA, because it's fairly easy (once you know the trial) to not mess up. You specialize in a single role - dps, tank, etc (usually). In vMA you are all 3 roles - harder than trials.

Hmmm not sure if I agree. I kind of do and kind of don't. I mean, I guess it's easier to do trials than maelstrom at a high level, however to pull 30k+ dps in every fight is remarkable and definitely amazing. I will say that they do take 2 different kinds of playstyle. Trials you go all dps, but you have to be defensive in Maelstrom.

That's the main reason I think Maelstrom and Trials should be kept separate in terms of skill. Yes, in trials you have to watch out for mechanics, but your also not going to be targeted by every adds attacks, forcing defensive play. You will never do as much dps in Maelstrom (not that it matters besides bosses) as you do in trials for numerous reasons: raid buffs, bar set up different, holding agro and trying not to die etc...

Basically what I'm trying to get across is being amazing in maelstrom doesn't mean, even with the right group, you'll automatically be pulling 30k+ dps.

I agree, the animosity needs to be turned down, but I love getting people fired up for competition. I'll admit (already have) that the Spero Sol thing is personal, so I tend to get livid when things are personal, but just because I have something against someone doesn't mean I'm blind to the facts. He's the best Maelstrom Mag NB. He's a pretty solid Mag NB when it comes to DPS. I watch his streams. I just don't think he has any right to say I suck when he's never seen me play.

I'm done with the bashing and nonsense. I've had my share for the day. Congrats on the clear CSH.

I agree it definitely takes two different types of skill I think both Spero and the NB that you like are really good players. Yeah you guys really went at it I am not getting into the middle of that:)

FeaR Turbo · April 2016

Like everyone else, you want to learn the way to win, but never to accept the way to lose - to accept defeat. To learn to die is to be liberated from it. So when tomorrow comes you must free your ambitious mind and learn the art of dying. - Bruce Lee

Function · April 2016

So much fighting.. lets just say CSH got first NA PC and GR got first NA Xbox, either way it doesn't really matter.. we are talking about a few minutes to an hour between clears.

Logicbomb00 · April 2016

FeaR Turbo wrote: »

Like everyone else, you want to learn the way to win, but never to accept the way to lose - to accept defeat. To learn to die is to be liberated from it. So when tomorrow comes you must free your ambitious mind and learn the art of dying. - Bruce Lee

a wonderful quote and truly relevant to the people here.

the thing is this is an elder scrolls game. 90% of the community just want to play the game and have fun with friends and enjoy the lore and beauty of the game. in reality this negativity bred by competition doesn't belong here and this sad minority bring nothing to the game. who beat who means nothing to us. who is ranked highest on the leaderboards means nothing to us. devoting your time at 'being the best' would be better served on another game where people actually care, and posts such as this should really be taken to another 'forum'. all we see are a small group of people being toxic and abusive towards each other for reasons we can't fathom.

if you're looking for respect and admiration in this game you'd be best served just going out into the community and being nice to people and leave the ego behind. give some random new player a small amount of gold. help someone out on a world boss when they ask in zone. answer a question or two. have some fun with friends and new people alike. this will earn you more kudos than any amount of dps and i'm positive more people respect me in the this game than any of the people driving this thread just because I do these small things to make the community a better place.

i'm not saying don't complete the end game content, but more that this should be a matter of personal pride and not something that the rest of us need to know or be informed about, especially in such an egotistical and narcissistic fashion. doing so just makes you look sad and pathetic and gets you nowhere with us.

Gilliamtherogue · April 2016

I sleep for 10 hours after staying up for a 24 hour raid and this is what I find. After mentally blocking out 4 people constantly bickering between each other this thread went from pure salt to a nice discussion. It's sad to see people representing themselves and their guilds in such a way. I totally understand some bragging and elitism, I even like to flame sometimes myself. Yet this just went crazy. I really hope when we start clearing Hardmode/No death/Speed runs that our threads don't devolve into this.

The PvE community in this game lasted over a year without new content, and the moment we get something fresh we all devolve into this. Competition is fun, but let's have it to the point where ZoS is excited to make us new content so we can compete, not ashamed or worried that it'll turn into stuff like this. Arguing over NA first between two SEPARATE platforms is silly, I simply voiced my doubt and suspicion as to why there wasn't any information about this. To the console guild that downed it and claimed they didn't circulate it because they don't need the 'gratification' or some nonsense, realize that's not how the world works. If you don't claim something as yours, someone else will come up and rip it from your hands.

Regardless, grats to all guilds who participated in the completion of this from all platforms, and I truly look forward to bashing heads with you in the future once Hardmode gets the crashing fixed and we start getting new gear. Also shout out to all the stamina builds that are still fighting the good fight in this raid, don't let the meta humpers tell you your build isn't good enough! :^)

Logicbomb00 · April 2016

Gilliamtherogue wrote: »

The PvE community in this game lasted over a year without new content, and the moment we get something fresh we all devolve into this.

as part of the actual PvE community, i'd like to remove myself and 90% of the ESO gaming population from this statement.

Valrien · April 2016

Logicbomb00 wrote: »

Gilliamtherogue wrote: »

The PvE community in this game lasted over a year without new content, and the moment we get something fresh we all devolve into this.

as part of the actual PvE community, i'd like to remove myself and 90% of the ESO gaming population from this statement.

Actual PvE being...what? This is actual PvE :P

Logicbomb00 · April 2016

EDIT

Gilliamtherogue · April 2016

Logicbomb00 wrote: »

Valrien wrote: »

Logicbomb00 wrote: »

Gilliamtherogue wrote: »

The PvE community in this game lasted over a year without new content, and the moment we get something fresh we all devolve into this.

as part of the actual PvE community, i'd like to remove myself and 90% of the ESO gaming population from this statement.

Actual PvE being...what? This is actual PvE :P

no. this is children who haven't gotten past the 'my dad is better than your dad' mentality and are somewhat re-tarded in their development.

Your vulgarity and inability to let things go adds you to the same problem in which I am speaking of. You can't remove yourself from a so called group of children and then go on and call people "re-tarded" and name call.

Logicbomb00 · April 2016

Valrien wrote: »

Logicbomb00 wrote: »

Gilliamtherogue wrote: »

The PvE community in this game lasted over a year without new content, and the moment we get something fresh we all devolve into this.

as part of the actual PvE community, i'd like to remove myself and 90% of the ESO gaming population from this statement.

Actual PvE being...what? This is actual PvE :P

oh this is PvE. just not part of our community.

FLuFFyxMuFFiN · April 2016

Logicbomb00 wrote: »

EDIT

Edit for edit

Nifty2g · April 2016

FLuFFyxMuFFiN wrote: »

Logicbomb00 wrote: »

EDIT

Couldn't have said it better myself.

You could have, and you shouldn't admit to that

FLuFFyxMuFFiN · April 2016

Nifty2g wrote: »

FLuFFyxMuFFiN wrote: »

Logicbomb00 wrote: »

EDIT

Couldn't have said it better myself.

You could have, and you shouldn't admit to that

Trust me I would have said it in a way that would have gotten me in trouble but I didn't.

Logicbomb00 · April 2016

Gilliamtherogue wrote: »

Logicbomb00 wrote: »

Valrien wrote: »

Logicbomb00 wrote: »

Gilliamtherogue wrote: »

The PvE community in this game lasted over a year without new content, and the moment we get something fresh we all devolve into this.

as part of the actual PvE community, i'd like to remove myself and 90% of the ESO gaming population from this statement.

Actual PvE being...what? This is actual PvE :P

no. this is children who haven't gotten past the 'my dad is better than your dad' mentality and are somewhat re-tarded in their development.

Your vulgarity and inability to let things go adds you to the same problem in which I am speaking of. You can't remove yourself from a so called group of children and then go on and call people "re-tarded" and name call.

actually I didn't call anyone re-tarded. I stated their development WAS re-tarded. 2 completely different things. I removed it straight away because I was afraid this distinction might not be realised and replaced it with something more congenial, but you were just too quick for me. you'll notice the time stamp of my edit is the same as the time stamp of your post though, but seeing as I set some thing-a-ma-jig on my time-stampy-thingy to a douvie-dakka-setting and i screenshotted it some time after the actual event, this means my edit was actually 2 hours before your reply.

plus I did a casual trial with some guildies, did some dailies and farmed some nirncrux during that minute so I was rather busy.

Polysemy · April 2016

Love Wizard wrote: »

hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »

Love Wizard wrote: »

Polysemy wrote: »

u savage

You have absolutely no clue what you're talking about. Everything you have said is pure and uter nonsense. This world needs more decent magicka nightblades, and you're definetly not one of them.

I'm ok with people agreeing to disagree, but this statement is simply funny, since vMA, while requiring the situational awareness of PvP is PVE content...for you to criticize his PVE skills thus seems a bit salty since as far as I'm aware, you are nowhere near his number one spot...

You can say whatever you'd like, I don't think im the best, by far, I have alot of space for improvement, but I know for a fact I do pull good numbers. Also, I wouldn't have been recruited into Hodor and Banana Squad Inc without being a decent player, arguing about vMA is kind of wierd, since I've never truly given it a good shot nor tried to figure out things. Im pretty poor at alot of things in this game, but I find myself to be a good DPS, and from reading what he says, I can definetly tell that he doesn't have a great understanding of what it takes to be a good DPS, it's not just what numbers you pull but rather more about being consistant.

Interesting Mashi cause from what ive seen my parses have been significantly higher then yours... I never said I was the best which you all are implying but if thats what you think I am flattered

Hmm after looking at your TF post I can say that we both "doesn't have a great understanding" of DPS :^)

AOECAPS · April 2016

Takes 24hrs to complete trial after running it multiple times previously and failing. Runs mouth to @Alcast and Hodor because salty AF true pissing contest in this thread is real the PC guild and the Xbox guild ya'll crying like a bunch of kids. Congrats for doing it but damn ya'll crying and running your mouths give Americans a bad name in general. Xbox until you beat it in I DD an hour I wouldn't say anything to Hodor about you being better and having better dps because it took you a day LMAO and no one buys the oh we were busy for 2 weeks Nd barely ran the dungeon until this 24 sit down.

Valrien · April 2016

AOECAPS wrote: »

Takes 24hrs to complete trial after running it multiple times previously and failing. Runs mouth to @Alcast and Hodor because salty AF true pissing contest in this thread is real the PC guild and the Xbox guild ya'll crying like a bunch of kids. Congrats for doing it but damn ya'll crying and running your mouths give Americans a bad name in general. Xbox until you beat it in I DD an hour I wouldn't say anything to Hodor about you being better and having better dps because it took you a day LMAO and no one buys the oh we were busy for 2 weeks Nd barely ran the dungeon until this 24 sit down.

To be fair they kept the instance open and did other things.

Nifty2g · April 2016

AOECAPS wrote: »

Takes 24hrs to complete trial after running it multiple times previously and failing. Runs mouth to @Alcast and Hodor because salty AF true pissing contest in this thread is real the PC guild and the Xbox guild ya'll crying like a bunch of kids. Congrats for doing it but damn ya'll crying and running your mouths give Americans a bad name in general. Xbox until you beat it in I DD an hour I wouldn't say anything to Hodor about you being better and having better dps because it took you a day LMAO and no one buys the oh we were busy for 2 weeks Nd barely ran the dungeon until this 24 sit down.

lol just lol

Vezuls · April 2016

AOECAPS wrote: »

Takes 24hrs to complete trial after running it multiple times previously and failing. Runs mouth to @Alcast and Hodor because salty AF true pissing contest in this thread is real the PC guild and the Xbox guild ya'll crying like a bunch of kids. Congrats for doing it but damn ya'll crying and running your mouths give Americans a bad name in general. Xbox until you beat it in I DD an hour I wouldn't say anything to Hodor about you being better and having better dps because it took you a day LMAO and no one buys the oh we were busy for 2 weeks Nd barely ran the dungeon until this 24 sit down.

PC NA were the ones who who said they were better than Hodor, not us lol.

Tegah · April 2016

@Nifty2g Lets be real you guys definitely did not clear it before Gilded Reavers, go ahead and change that title to 2nd N/A clear